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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:30, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

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Judith Ellen Foster

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  • ... Judith Ellen Foster, Iowa most prominent woman in the 1880s, was among the first women to practice law in Iowa? Source: Mott, David C. "Judith Ellen Foster". The Annals of Iowa. 19 (2): 126-138 ([1])
    • ALT1:... that in 1900 Judith Ellen Foster was with the Taft Commission in the Philippine to study conditions of women and children there? Source: Mott, David C. "Judith Ellen Foster". The Annals of Iowa. 19 (2): 126-138 ([2])

5x expanded by Elisa.rolle (talk). Self-nominated at 12:33, 9 August 2017 (UTC).

  • This article really needs a substantial copyedit. Here are some problems in the first half of the article:
  • "Both her paternal than maternal side descended from the Puritans [missing word] migrated to New England in the 1630s."
  • Not addressed.
  • ". . . probably first woman in Iowa who engaged in practice."
  • "She was admitted to practice on October 20, 1875, the 4th woman to practice before that court." If she was "probably first [sic] woman in Iowa who engaged in practice," why was she only the fourth? (Just looked at the source. She was the first woman admitted to practice, not the fourth who necessarily practiced.) Also, "that court" needs to specify that it was the Iowa Supreme Court.
  • "She was widely known as ' The Iowa Lawyer.'"
  • Not addressed. Shouldn't be a space before The (should be "The Iowa Lawyer," not " The Iowa Lawyer").
  • "As a member of the Woman's Christian Temperance Union she was able to give most valuable service as superintendent of the legislative department." The phrase "most valuable service" is awkward.
  • "Her knowledge of law enabled her to direct wisely all the movement for the adoption of constitutional amendments in the various States, aimed to secure the prohibition of the sale and manufacture of alcoholic liquors." This is worded awkwardly, contains a grammatical error ("movement" should be "movements," as you're talking about separate movements in separate states), and stretches belief beyond imagination: one woman in Iowa directed the entire prohibition movement?
  • This quotation needs a transition (e.g., "As the Dewitt Observer wrote after one such speech, . . ."), not to mention the misspelling of "Dewitt," or the missing period follow "1874": "'One of the best temperance lectures we ever listened to was delivered in the M. E. Church last Sabbath evening by Mrs. Foster of Clinton. The house was filled to overflowing. The audience was delighted with the lecture.' DeWiit Observer, June 5, 1874[2]"
  • Not addressed. Still needs a transition, and the period is still missing.
  • More broadly, much of the "Career" section reads like a list mushed into paragraph format, where there is little relation between sentences. Also, some 14 of approximately 40 sentences in the article begin with "She" or "Her." --Usernameunique (talk) 00:12, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
  • addressed the points above. Elisa.rolle (talk) 09:33, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
  • I copyedited the whole article and added a "citation needed" tag to one paragraph that doesn't have one, per Rule D2. IMO neither hook is interesting or hooky.
  • @Elisa.rolle: please don't use the red "re-review" icon unless you are calling for a new reviewer. You need only post your answer without any icon, and the reviewer will come back to the nomination. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 01:19, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
  • added the citation where requested. FYI it's not true the reviewer will "always" come back to the nomination, I have DYK I adapted as requested and the reviewer has never came back. Elisa.rolle (talk) 08:35, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
  • @Elisa.rolle: I agree, that happens. If you've pinged the reviewer and a couple of weeks have passed, you could then add the re-review icon. But if you're doing a back-and-forth with the reviewer every other day, it shouldn't be used. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 13:22, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Usernameunique said I could review this, I am thankful for the previous work, and the offer. Interesting life, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. I prefer the ALT, and suggest to get the interesting Philippines in sooner:
ALT2: ... that Judith Ellen Foster went to the Philippines with the Taft Commission, to study conditions of women and children? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Could you write a bit more lead, and add an infobox, clarifying the names? - Not needed, just nice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt: infobox added, lead enhanced. As for the name, another editor told me to use the maiden name for the early life, cause she is not married at the time, and the married name for the career and the personal life (usually events after the marriage). I'm just applying early teachings. ALT2 is fine with me. Elisa.rolle (talk) 23:00, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
I think the author was me ;) - Thank you, - by saying clearly in the infobox "common name" here, "birth name" there, it's clarified. Perhaps add "law" to practise in the infobox, in "occupation" or "known_for"? - Would ALT2 work for you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:39, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
  • added lawyer in the infobox and "ALT2" is fine with me. Elisa.rolle (talk) 09:52, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
- please fix the public domain entry, needs a title, and be used. Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:56, 5 September 2017 (UTC)article.
Before this can be promoted, it needs a citation at the end of the sentence about the Taft Commission. However, would not a fact of more general interest be that her house was burnt down because of her views? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:57, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Cwmhiraeth: ALT3: ... that the house of Judith Ellen Foster, the "Iowa lawyer" of the temperance movement, was burnt down by her opponents? (Source: [3] "She is widely known as "The Iowa Lawyer." [...]] Her home in Clinton was burned, presumably by the enemies of temperance. As a member of the Woman's Christian Temperance Union she was able to give most valuable service as superintendent of the legislative department.")
Elisa, what do you think? - To be acceptable, the "presumably" of the source needs to go to the hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:29, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Cwmhiraeth, Gerda Arendt: ALT3a: ... that the house of Judith Ellen Foster, the "Iowa lawyer" of the temperance movement, was presumably burnt down by her opponents? Elisa.rolle (talk) 11:31, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
I did not add that GilmanPeckColby ref and having written the article, I can tell you it's not true. All references, even Public Domain, are below, therefore I removed that template. Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:37, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
If you like it, I approve it (although I generally prefer the subject active, not victim). - Please fix the above-mentioned issues about the GilmanPeckColby ref. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
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