Talk:Spain

Spanish Armada / fall of empire in the late 16th century

Over the past few days, @[[User:Kusilini|Kusilini] has been trying to remove any form of mention of the decline of the Spanish Empire and any mention of the Spanish Armada. These are important times and dates in Spanish history. The peak and golden period of the Spanish Empire is well noted. There should also be a mention on what caused the decline of its empire, as the norm on any European country page which had a colonial empire. Thewinerking (talk) 01:39, 6 February 2024 (UTC)( Blocked sockpuppet of Lam312321321, see investigation)

:That's not true, check my latest edits carefully. The Spanish Armada is mentioned and I have added, with numerous sources, when the decline of the Spanish Empire began.

Specifically, like the Spanish Golden Age, the decline began after the end of the Franco-Spanish War with the Treaty of the Pyrenees of 1659 in favor of a rising France under Louis XIV. This is supported and I have added numerous reliable sources.

What you are trying to add is that the decline occurred due to the failure of the Spanish Armada in 1588 with England and defeats in some battles with the Netherlands, which is rather false and unsourced, these did not change the status quo ante bellum nor did they start the decline of Spain. Kusilini (talk) 09:46, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

To facilitate reading, I am going to briefly explain it with the sources attached:

• The Anglo-Spanish War (1585–1604), involving the Spanish Armada (1588) and the English Armada (1589), ended in the restoration of the status quo ante bellum (Source/s:) where Spain continued to be a world power as it was previously to war (Source/s:)

• The progressive decline of Spain began during the second half of the 17th century, after the end of the Franco-Spanish War (1635–1659) in favor of the rise of France under Louis XIV (Source/s:)

• In the 18th century, the Spanish Empire reached its maximum extent (Source/s:) and under the Bourbon dynasty, it carried out numerous reforms and modernized its armed forces to defend (mostly succesfully) its large colonies in the Americas (Source/s:)

Therefore, suggesting that the Spanish Empire fell or began its decline at the end of the 16th century after the Spanish Armada is, with all due respect, historically false, unsourced and more typical of old English nationalist propaganda (See: Spanish Black Legend)

Unless you provide reliable sources for the content you are trying to push, it will be removed for being unsourced, WP:POV-pushing and not realible according the WP:Neutrality. Kusilini (talk) 14:00, 6 February 2024 (UTC)( Blocked sockpuppet of JamesOredan, see investigation)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2024

For consistency with other pictures, add "in Las Palmas de Gran Canaria" to picture at the end, subtitled as "Canarian carnival". Picture is taken in Las Canteras stroll in Las Palmas de Gran Canaria. Zogas (talk) 15:14, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done I added this to the caption and linked to the Las Palmas page. Jamedeus (talk) 23:12, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 March 2024

Change 2 °C (36 °F) of warming to 2 °C (3.6 °F) and 4 °C (39 °F) to 4 °C (7.2 °F) under climate change section. one degree of change Celsius is 1.8 degrees of change F. 2604:2800:0:A998:2486:23D3:E37:51BF (talk) 03:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done Jamedeus (talk) 04:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Changing the name of Spain to Andalusia

Spain is a colonial name of Andalusia of the Islamic Caliphate. Its not exist. Please change the name to Andalusia the not colonial name 188.64.206.0 (talk) 15:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Dear Wikipedia user. Kindly check accurate sources prior to making this kind of comments. While the Spanish constitution does not establish an official name for the state of Spain and some others are commonly used in it. While the origin of the word might be uncertain, the hypothesis of the Phoenician word "Land of rabbits" Spania is commonly accepted. Dual2402 (talk) 08:22, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello. We, following the guidelines of WP:COMMONNAME, go by what places are most commonly called, not what someone reasons out they should be called. Largoplazo (talk) 12:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Showing the name in the regional languages

As the spanish constitution states, these languages are only acknowledged as coofficial in their respective autonomous comunities, furthermore, neither asturian nor aragonese have the status of cooficial languages in Asturias or Aragon respectivly. I would also sugest that if it's decided to keep the name in the cooficial languages, it is also shown in valencian, or atleast changing the label from "catalan" to "catalan/valencian". 185.224.49.224 (talk) 22:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

The name is translated into languages that are native to the place, not necessarily official. As for the change you suggest, treating Valencian and Catalan separately makes absolutely no sense (just as I and many other people have already told you many times in several other places). The choice of the name "Catalan/Valencia" over "Catalan" is in this case not up for discussion, for this name is automatically generated when you use the template for IPA: Catalan pronunciation: [IPA]. And the name this template automatically generates is "Catalan". So if you want this to be changed, the ones you should contact are (I guess) the administrators. That would change the wording for every page in which this template is inserted. Agpshi (talk) 14:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Your edit was made disrupting the consensus and deleting something that has been here for years.

I have accepted your point of view in the page languages of Spain (albeit you were the only one which didn't agree with me and you changed it MONTHS LATER) but now I did the same here and only 2 weeks later.

Also notice someone else deleted your edits and completely wiped out Valencian, which didn't even allow Catalan/Valencian to be together, and as you might know, that's an entire disrespect movement for the Valencian people but also for the entire Valencian Community culture, history and traditions.

The Spanish Constitution and the Valencian Statute of Autonomy officially call it Valencian. We both know this and neither of us have a problem with this. From a linguistical point of view, they are 2 names for the same language (both Catalan and Valencian are valid, as you know as well and as the sources refer) but someone after you made a further edit deleting all of that thus making it even unmatchable with the sources, as the sources mention Valencian.

I am not the user from above (he is using an IP, I don't use IPs... if I want to edit, I use my account) you did first an edit on 7th of July in this page deleting all of the stuff mentioned above without consensus. Okay, now it's time to reach that consensus if you want to make these changes. Until then, you have to leave the page as it was before, as the discussion we had in the page Languages of Spain as you surely remember. Then, even you with your own account changed it to Valencian/Catalan or Catalan/Valencian but a day later another user completely wiped out Valencian. And that's not acceptable. LucenseLugo (talk) 22:35, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

You don't even have to care about what I've wrote above as that info from the infobox was added by a permanently banned/blocked user:

MylowattsIAm (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

The info regarding the official regional languages is already mentioned on the FIRST note of this page. If you still want to change Valencian somehow (remember it was here for years, check the edit history) please explain your point and reach a consensus with more people than just you and me. As I prefer to leave it as it was, since the official Valencian Statute of Autonomy calls it Valencian and in the languages box I've clearly stated (as it was before) that Catalan/Valencian are the name for the same language, just officially called Catalan in Catalonia and the Balearic Islands and Valencian in the Valencian Community. LucenseLugo (talk) 22:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC)