Talk:Religion in Tunisia

Number of Christians in Tunisia

@Suneye1: Hi, noticed you reverted a few edits by IP 196.229.132.78 and, although that IP has been very insistant in some less than helpful edits, the one about the number of Christians in the country seems to be correct, from what I could gather from Google Translating the source. So, I would like to ask you not revert that edit anymore. Either way, I would further like to commend your diligence on patrolling this page that unfortunately is prone to become a wild west otherwise. - Sarilho1 (talk) 16:43, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Please, ignore this comment above, I only noticed one of the sources. - Sarilho1 (talk) 12:02, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

@GenoV84: Hi, despite the constant wrongly edits by the IP above, he does have a point about the existance of conflicting data. Even the article presents two sources with different values. We should decide on a reliable source and discard the conflicting ones from the article, if possible, or rewrite it to include a range of estimated values. What do you think is the best method? - Sarilho1 (talk) 12:02, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

@Sarilho1: Hi, i checked out the sources and, in my opinion, the only one reliable is the International Religious Freedom Report 2007; Tunisien Chrétien is a blog but doesn't provide any reliable references to its estimate number of Christians, while Joshua Project is a missionary organization and states in the Disclaimers' section that "data is drawn from many sources and of varying accuracy depending on source and editorial decisions", and also "The data is sometimes not as precise as it appears. Values for %Christian Adherent and %Evangelical (which determine unreached status) are often informed estimates, some more accurate than others. We recommend against using %Christian Adherent and %Evangelical to calculate specific numbers."--GenoV84 (talk) 14:00, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

US State Department citation review needed

There are 14 citations of the US State Department's report on international religious rights from 2007, before the revolution and free elections of 2011. Much has changed since then; useful updates may be found in the State Department's 2018 report that I've cited in a couple of places. For example, based on the 2018 report, I've updated the information given on the size of the Bah'ai community. Largoplazo (talk) 11:54, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Reverts?

Hichemdu91 You accused me off disruptive edits even when you have clearly misread the report as the arab brometer is not about irreligion in the country not even the source you gave says that. Azeriking55 (talk 23:48, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

If a zillion reliable sources describe the population of Tunisia as 98% or 99% Muslim, a single voice in the wilderness calling out "No, fewer than 60% of Tunisians are Muslim" would not be the one we'd go by. So it doesn't matter whether or not Arab Barometer says that. If it provides information that's consistent with the general RS consensus that Tunisia is ≥ 98% Muslim (for example, if it's about the percentage of Tunisians who don't consider themselves observant), it might be of value in the article. Largoplazo (talk) 21:56, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Hichemdu91 Stop reverting you still haven't shown proof from the article it talks about irreligion its clearly about how religious you are in the arab world as it cleary gives indicators when it asks people are they religious, some what religious or not religious.Azeriking55 (talk 19:49, 27 July 2020 (UTC) Azeriking55 There's not much difference between irreligion and irreligious, however, atheism and irreligion aren't the same thing, the article talks about how irreligious are people in the Arab world, not about how atheist they are, as I never said or precised that, I don't know what proof do you want or what are you talking about.

Hichemdu91 They are the same thing irreligion means a lack of religion and belief especially when you use the subtitle in your edits on the wikipedia page called irreligion if it was about them not being religious then you would of included that in the islam section and the pie chart wouldn't need to be edited either you clearly know irreligion means not believing in religion or god and not even arab brometer uses the word irreligion in there survey either Azeriking55 (talk 20:03, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Azeriking55 Which pie chart are you talking about? The only pie chart I have edited is the one about Morocco. And here's the definition of irreligious https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irreligious , as you can see irreligious and non religious are synonyms.

Hichemdu91 Your involved in both cases so I can mention them interchangeably regarding the pie chart and take this to dispute resolution and your ignoring the definition given my that dictionary; neglectful of religion : lacking religious emotions, doctrines, or practices. Not religious means your not practising but still identify with a religion. Azeriking55 (talk 20:35, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Largoplazo Please add your input as you have asked for page protection. Azeriking55 (talk 20:38, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Azeriking55 You're saying this should be added in the islam section instead and why should it be in this section in particular as Tunisians can also be Christians and Jewish even if they're in very few numbers.

Hichemdu91 Most Tunisians are muslim nearly 99% so its of course referring to them Azeriking55 (talk 20:49, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Azeriking55 So, how about we keep the source but we put it in the islam part instead and we stop this edit war here?

Here is Arab Barometer's breakdown of Tunisia's population by religion from "AB Wave 2018", their most recent research study: https://arabbarometer-online.com/online.jsp?collection=11&ref=MjAxOTQ2NzI1Mjg%3D#.Xx8i8-xWKy4. The BBC article does not use the word "irreligion" at all, so the best way to deal with the question of what "irreligion" means is to avoid the term and use Arab Barometer's or the BBC's term. BBC's refers to "The proportion of people who said they were not religious", which definitely doesn't mean the same thing as not having a religion, not subscribing to one, or not identifying oneself as belonging to one. Largoplazo (talk) 19:01, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Largoplazo Well, I didn't see that before. Hichemdu91

Hichemdu91 Largoplazo I think this is settled I'll combine this survey under islam in morocco. Azeriking55 (talk 21:08, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

The pie chart

I requested page protection following the serial removal and restoration of the pie chart at the top of the article. It's currently there; but isn't it time we achieved consistency between the chart (which says the country is 99% Sunni Muslim) and the text (which currently says 58%)? Largoplazo (talk) 11:49, 27 September 2021 (UTC)