Talk:Haijin

Useless image

I removed the image on the page, as it appears to have no purpose other than showing the Chinese characters, which are already visible in the article. Perhaps an image that shows the actual document in question would be more useful here, if it could be obtained. BogdanM02 03:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Ethnicity

Elaborated on ethnicity - Chinese is not an ethnicity. The dominant ethnic group is the Han. Intranetusa (talk) 02:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

So dominant, in fact, that they are called... Chinese. — LlywelynII 02:15, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Chinese text for insertion

• 《南明史》:“广东迁徙沿海居民在康熙元年二月，清廷派科尔坤、介山二大臣巡视海疆，“令滨海民悉徙内地五十里，以绝接济台湾之患。于是麾兵折界，期三日 尽夷其地，空 其人民”。康熙二年“华大人来巡边界，再迁其民”。“甲寅（康熙三年）春月，续迁番禺、顺德、新会、东莞、香山五县沿海之民”。“初立界犹以为近也，再远 之，又再远之，凡三迁而界始定”。
• 《南明史》“每处悬一牌，曰：敢出界者斩！”“越界数步，即行枭首。”“着附海居民搬入离城二十里内居住，二十里外筑土墙为界，寸板不许下海，界外不许闲行，出界以违旨立杀。武兵不时巡界。间有越界，一遇巡兵，登时斩首”

Translation:

• "Warning was written on notice board: Anyone dare to step over the border line shall be beheaded!"
  
• "Persons found a few paces over the border line, shall be beheaded instantly."
  
• "All coastal inhabitants should be living less than 20 Li(Chinese:里 translation: mile) away from the city. Beyond 20 Li, a earthen wall shall be built to serve as a border line; not a single sampan would be allowed to go into the water, no one shall be allowed beyond the border line, any person found shall be executed on the spot. Armed soldiers patrolled the border constantly, would behead anyone caught over the border line.

Source? — LlywelynII 02:15, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Removed, pending explanation, dates, etc. Most info on policies gives 30 to 50 li. — LlywelynII 14:40, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Chinese text to be translated

• 康熙三年（１６６４）三月初六，清軍大隊兵船入東山，「盡驅沿海居民入內地，築牆為界，縱軍士大淫掠，殺人山積，海水殷然」（《台灣鄭氏始末》
• 一時人民失業，號泣之聲載道，鄉井流離顛沛之慘非常，背夫棄子，失父離妻，老稚填於溝壑，骸骨白於荒野」（《台灣外志》）
• 福寧州， 「州地以大路為界，南路以州前嶺為界，松山、後港、赤俺、石壩近城亦在界外。道旁木柵，牛馬不許出入。每處懸一碑曰：敢出界者斬！」「越界數步，即行梟首」（乾隆二十七年福寧府志卷四十三） ]
• 莆田縣，「著附海居民搬入離城二十里內居住，二十里外築土牆為界，寸板不許下海，界外不許閒行，出界以違旨立殺。武兵不時巡界。間有越界，一遇巡兵，頓時斬首」「每出界巡哨只代刀，逢人必殺。……截界十餘年，殺人以千記」 」（《清初莆變小乘》 )rET|$
• （廣東香山縣）「初，（廣東香山縣）黃涼都民奉遷時。民多戀土。都地山深谷邃，藏匿者眾，平藩左翼班際盛誘之曰點閱，抱大府即許復業。愚民信其然。際盛 乃勒兵長連埔，按名令民自前營入，後營出。入即殺，無一人幸脫者。復界後，枯骨遍地，土民叢葬一埠，樹碣曰木龍歲塚，木龍者，甲辰隱語也」（道光七年《香 山縣志》卷八）lL)#82

　　

Open ports

China was never completely closed. The article should mention the few ports that were open, such as Xiamen and Guangdong and the dates for each. — LlywelynII 02:15, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Dates of Great Clearance

The dates of start and end of the Great Clearance (aka. Frontier Shift) given in this article (1655-1684) do not match the ones, more likely, given in the Great Clearance article: 1661-1669. This is also inconsistent with other information given in this Haijin article. I have therefore included "dubious" tags in this article. Please remove them when this issue is solved. Underwaterbuffalo (talk) 15:52, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Who was subject to taxation?

This quote is cited but the source is offline and the missing word is rather important...

In 1685 a{{what?|date=January 2015}} were made subject to the ''"Taxation Rules for Sea Trade"'' as drafted by Yiergetu.<ref>{{cite book |last1=Li |first1=Qingxin |last2=Wang |first2=William W |title=Maritime silk road |trans_title=五洲传播出版社, ''Hai shang si chou zhi lu'' |year=2006 |publisher=China Intercontinental Press |location=Beijing, China |language=English|isbn=978-7-5085-0932-7 |oclc=180191537}}</ref>

 — LlywelynII 14:41, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Dating relocation

This date is much earlier than the other sources. It may be right but the earlier policy was probably fairly limited and should be explained in greater detail to differentiate it from the Kangxi policy:

From 1652 onwards, the Qing court began ordering populations along the entire southern coast to be forcibly relocated inland, to stop them from giving aid and comfort to the enemy through trade. Faced with an enemy in inaccessible areas along the coast, the Qing chose to take the non-state spaces of the littoral to their logical extreme by creating a sanitary cordon of walls and watchtowers between the people and the sea. All coastal navigation and trade was banned, but the effect of the prohibitions and relocations was simply to make the Zheng base in Xiamen an even bigger centre for smuggling trade, with relocated communities now engaging in overland smuggling to Xiamen in order to sustain themselves.|sign=Yang Shao-yun|source=Water Worlds : Piracy and Littoral Societies as Non-State Spaces in Late Imperial South China<ref>[http://www.chinahistoryinfo.com/index.php?id=37,118,0,0,1,0 Water Worlds : Piracy and Littoral Societies as Non-State Spaces in Late Imperial South China]</ref>

 — LlywelynII 14:42, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

North Africa?

Is the line mentioning "Chinese trade within Asia and North Africa continued." in the Background section correct? 2804:4B0:324:1700:112D:B18C:4ADA:7DCF (talk) 07:38, 17 September 2021 (UTC)