Talk:Glossary of cycling

panache

The quoted example of the word does not use the word panache at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevehorne (talk • contribs) 01:00, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

autobus

Is it not the case that the autobus exists to take advantage of a loophole in racing rules? I understand it that if enough riders are in the bus (some percentage of total), even if the entire bus finishes outside the limit they're not eliminated. This allows for a relatively relaxed ride for those not "racing" on that particular stage.

I recall that there were certain riders who had a propensity for numbers and would take responsibility for organising the bus and doing the necessary math (number of riders in the group and/or the estimated time limit) to ensure eliminations were avoided.

I cannot quote specific rules or provide sources, unfortunately; this is just something I picked up many years ago. If someone has a UCI rulebook it should be easy to confirm or deny.

beaverfever, 19 Aug 2006

The race organizers can choose to extend the time limit, when they do that it is typically because the peleton with the favorites has let an unimportant break away get too much time (typically due to tactical disputes about who should lead the chase), rather than the grupetto/autobus. The grupetto will usually have to get in within the time limit, as the favorites won't be there.

The grupetto exists because it is easier to ride in a group, so sticking together has an advantage. And the grupetto will usually have some riders with a good sense of how fast they need to ride to stay within the time limit, so the rest can just follow their pace. --Per Abrahamsen 10:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Criterium

I don't think that "prime" is short for "premium." I believe the term comes from French, where it means "incentive," "bonus," etc.

"prime" on wordreference.com

However, I don't have a cycling-specific source to back up this belief.

Cthe 18:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Monkey Butt

Sorry; I thought it was vandalism or a joke. Thanks for your cycling contributions.

BitQuirky 19:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Not sure about monkey butt. References on the net seem almost entirely to do with the product 'anti-monkeybutt powder', or scatological. Removed.

List is almost exclusively racing oriented

Does anyone agree with me that this list is almost exclusively bicycle racing, and perhaps a separate 'cycling' glossary should be started?

Track terms need adding

Mountain bike terms need adding

Technical terms need adding

Bicycle transport/commuting terms need adding

Question of US-English (e.g. bicycling is not the search term in world-wide English) needs addressing.

Centrepull 21:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• Racing orientation: as long as each entry clearly states its applicability to racing, touring, and/or utilitarian cycling, I see no immediate need for separate lists. Such a need may arise if one list becomes too long. — Teratornis 19:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Perhaps someone could design nice templates to insert in each entry to mark it as applying to racing, recreational/touring, and/or utilitarian cycling. Each template might have a small caption in a distinct color, possibly with an icon, and a link to a Wikipedia article (or perhaps someday, a portal) introducing the major forms of cycling. — Teratornis 19:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• The conflict of US English vs. World English should be easy to resolve by making a redirect page from Cycling terminology to Bicycling terminology, or vice versa. — Teratornis 19:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• More terms certainly are needed, so please add the ones you know. (I just added feed zone, food stop, and SAG station.) Is there a suitable template for marking stub entries that need more editing? — Teratornis 19:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

SAG Wagon

The entry for SAG Wagon mentioned acronym where it is possibly a backronym. I added a parenthetical remark to that effect, and I hyperlinked both *nym terms to their Wikipedia articles. Also, I moved the remarks that were specifically about food stops and SAG stations to new entries. — Teratornis 19:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I have been cycling since the mid 1970s and the term "sag wagon" was already firmly in use. I can find no references to SAG being an acronym prior to the 1980s. I believe it's just an Americanism for a vehicle the picks up sagging bicyclists. I'm sure that SAG as any initialism is just a backronym. Rsduhamel (talk) 19:36, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Move to Wiktionary?

This is not a single dictionary entry. This is a list of bicycling terms, and is consistent with countless other Wikipedia articles of this type (do a search on "terminology"). --Serge 01:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep/comment - Please see discussion of glossaries as a group, at Talk:List of glossaries. Thanks. --Quiddity 03:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Viking?

"Viking A mountain biker who is able to ride strong on their daily ride and then is able to go to a fine drinking establishment and enjoy cold beers."

Unless this is real and verifiable, I have removed it.  PN57  02:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

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All Rounder

"A racing cyclist who excels in both climbing and time trialing, and may also be a decent sprinter. In stage races, an all-rounder seeks a top-10 place in the General Classification. Eddy Merckx and Lance Armstrong were both notable all-rounders; Jan Ullrich, Ivan Basso and Alejandro Valverde are more contemporary examples. All-rounders are usually Team Leaders in stage races."

This is not so much wrong in definition, however, Saying Jan Ullrich is a more contemporary example than Armstrong, when he is both younger, and started his professional career earlier than Armstrong while finishing his career at a similar time, is plain wrong. If somebody could change it and think of another example, that'd be great. Lukeitfc (talk) 09:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd also remove Danilo DiLuca from the list - he can't really time-trial. Replace him with Denis Menchov who beat him at the Giro? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.44.204 (talk) 16:09, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

granny gear

I have heard this term used to refer to cycling equipment and clothing specifically designed for and marketed to the elderly and/or older rider but I'm unsure if it's in common usage. 118.209.222.177 (talk) 12:02, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Common enough to be in Sheldon Brown's Glossary. I've added the reference. -AndrewDressel (talk) 14:07, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I've only heard the our 2nd definition:"The smallest chainring on a crank with triple chainrings." never our first:"The lowest gear ratio on a multi-speed derailleur bicycle; smallest chainring in front and the largest in back." nor for elderly rider equipment. As our reference, Sheldon Brown, explicitly says that "not a general term for the lowest gear" I would suggest removing the first definition. --Keithonearth (talk) 02:07, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

My understanding is that a "grannie gear" is a very low gear, supposedly suitable for use by a grannie. When is began cycling in the early 1960s, triple cranksets were generally not available. A number of people I knew acquired small chainrings, below 40 tooth, and coupled these with a freewheel with. 28 tooth cog, the biggest readily available at the time. Often, this involved making your own adaptor to fit such small rings on stock cranks We often called these "walking gears", because you would tend to ride at a walking speed and perhaps because they were used when the gradient was so steep the alternative was to walk your bike. Triple cranksets became common later and allowed similarly low gearing while also allowing reasonably closely spaced gearing with the main two rings as well as for a perhaps more friendly shifting pattern than an ultra-wide 10 speed set up allowed. Wschart (talk)| — Preceding undated comment added 16:30, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

DA

I can't find DA in any bike glossary so don't know what this means. Someone said something about a "full da group", could this be added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.50.82 (talk) 20:45, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I can't say for sure, because I wasn't there, but I suspect that the speaker meant "full Shimano Dura Ace groupset." I have heard the expression, but since it is brand-specific, I hesitate to add it to the glossary. Anyone else have an opinion? -AndrewDressel (talk) 06:28, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

This is fast becoming a load of generic slang an authoritative list

Many entries are general slang rather that being specific to cycling. Entries here need to start to be brought up to Wikipedia standards, with citations for each entry that verify the usage of the term as relevant to cycling, not simply as a set of words in slang usage that have been used in a cycling arena. As a glossary this article is in danger of becoming devalued into banal trivia. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 06:57, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I thought by its very title, this was a glossary of cycling slang, as long as it is explained in encyclopedic fashion for the neophytes. Mattaidepikiw (Talk) 09:11, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, and as a wikipedia article, every entry needs to have a reliable source. All unsourced entries can and should be purged. -AndrewDressel (talk) 13:33, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

And, unfortunately, removing tags showing examples of where citations are most in needs does not add validity to the article. Even were the usage is so obvious it smacks you in the face, a citation is an absolute requirement. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 16:32, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

This is changing direction quickly now and becoming an authoritative list. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 06:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Changed this section title to reflect the vastly improved article Fiddle Faddle (talk) 22:06, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

The way this article is going it is likely to become one of the examples of excellent citations here. I've been through and flagged a few for folk to tick off one by one Fiddle Faddle (talk) 18:58, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Pip

I think pip should be added. See video clip Pipped at the post on Stage 3 Junior Tour of Ireland 2019. — tbc (talk) 23:00, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Seconded [by User:Arpawooky].

Nevermind. Not specific to cycling per Collins English Dictionary. One can be pipped at the post or pipped to the post in any competition. — tbc (talk) 22:26, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Furious Cycling

This entry (Alternatively wanton and furious cycling or furious riding; a statutory offence in England and Wales and Northern Ireland applied to cyclists who cycle over the national speed limit.[44]) seems wildly inaccurate, to me - presumably an act of parody or sarcasm; firstly: cycles are not subject to a speed limit (they are not covered in the vehicle classes for which National Speed Limits are defined (Road Traffic Regulation Act 1967, Schedule 5); secondly: neither term cycling nor riding comes into the relevant legislation as far as I know; thirdly: even if we consider the correct term (driving), I don't believe wanton and furious driving is an offence - nor even an interesting behaviour - in-and-of itself. The only place the phrase appears, I believe, with relevance to cycling, is in the Offences against the Person Act 1861, in this context: Whosoever, having the charge of any carriage or vehicle, shall by wanton or furious driving or racing, or other wilful misconduct, or by wilful neglect, do or cause to be done any bodily harm to any person whatsoever, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and being convicted thereof shall be liable, at the discretion of the court, to be imprisoned for any term not exceeding two years. So this phrase that is nothing more than a qualifier for an act of personal injury has taken on a mythical substance in cycling folk-law - an offence propagated by lay person and lawyer's marketing materials alike. Further, notable successful prosecutions have dealt with low-speed incidents (e.g. Motorist would not have landed cyclist's 'wanton and furious driving' charge - Guardian, 23 August 2019}). This example shows that Wanton and Furious is, indeed, something to be taken seriously - the original definition given on this page may lead to other, more frivolous interpretation.

I propose a rewrite to this effect:

Wanton or Furious Driving may refer to a qualifying factor in the law of England and Wales (Offences against the Person Act 1861) pertaining to cases of bodily harm being caused to a person by the driver of a carriage or vehicle (including a bicycle). The offence carries a custodial penalty up to 2 years.

Arpawooky 03:40, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

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