Talk:Devil May Care (Faulks novel)

Title

The name Devil May Care has a huge resemblence to the name Devil May Cry. Should this be mentioned on the page. Skele (talk) 17:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

• It's a common phrase, so no it's not worth mentioning. The videogame title is obviously a play on this phrase. 23skidoo (talk) 00:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  • a play on this phrase?Skele (talk) 22:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

"Devil may cry, Devil may care" is an old, old phrase. I'd assume both titles come from this phrase, rather than each other. :) Darrek Attilla (talk) 14:32, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• It's possible also that IFP chose the second half in order to avoid confusion with the first half, which is now identified with the videogame. That said, "Devil May Care" is the far more better-known part of the phrase, and more of a Bond-like title (Bond, cry? Perish the thought!) 23skidoo (talk) 14:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Author

What exactly does 'Writing as Ian Fleming' mean? I'm assuming it's just a cheap phrase to sneak his name on the cover, but no-one can 'write as' another author, merely in the style of those particular novels of which this is a continuation. If anyone can clear the meaning of this up it will be appreciated! MathiasFox (talk) 11:24, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

"in the style of those particular novels of which this is a continuation" is rather a long phrase to put on the cover, don't you think? :-) "Writing as Ian Fleming" is short and snappy, if not strictly accurate. It at least informs the potential reader that this novel is written in the style of Ian Fleming's Bond novels, rather than Faulks's usual style. 217.155.20.163 (talk) 12:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with 217.155.20.163. Sincerely, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.133.32.138 (talk) 14:07, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

" It's pretty common to see "writing as" on cover copy. Some editions of Colonel Sun credit Kingsley Amis writing as Robert Markham to inform readers that it's a pseudonym. Ditto Stephen King and Richard Bachman. I have also seen that credit used when an author writes a book using a real person's name as a pseudonym, which is in fact what Faulks is doing. His name is attached to the book, but officially and with sanction he has taken on the identity if Ian Fleming for this release. 23skidoo (talk) 19:50, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Spam

I just removed this as it seems to be a spamlink to me. Anyone have any thoughts? TheRetroGuy (talk) 18:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

• What gives you the impression that's a spam link??? That's one of the major online news sites relating to the James Bond franchise, on par with Gallifrey One for Doctor Who. I'm not going to revert the deletion, however, as it appears to have just been parachuted in. If someone wants to link to a specific article at commanderbond, that would work.. 23skidoo (talk) 23:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm still fairly new here and am still getting to grips with what is and what isn't spam. It seemed to have quite a lot of advertising on it, and like you say, the link had just been parachuted in. If it is ok though, looking at it more closely, I can see one or two articles that could be useful links. I'm about to log off for a few hours, but might have a go at adding them later. Thanks for your help. TheRetroGuy (talk) 12:54, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

There's probably also a place for it at the James Bond article. TheRetroGuy (talk) 13:02, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Spoiler

Please add spoiler warning somewhere before the plot summary. -JRK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.17.46 (talk) 22:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Monkey's paw

Is it worth mentioning somewhere that Gorner wears a glove to conceal a birth abnormality that gave him a monkey's paw in place of fingers, and opposable thumbs. This becomes an important part of the plot in the latter part of the story. And, after all, Scaramanga's third nipple gets a mention. Paul Largo (talk) 12:05, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

The closest wiki entry I can find is Ape hand deformity - but it's such a brief stub that Devil May Care actually provides a better description than the article itself. a_man_alone (talk) 20:16, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

The article now says that Gorner has "a left hand resembling that of a monkey" but my recollection is the novel claiming that, due to some weird genetic throwback, he had a literal monkey's paw rather than a human hand. This doesn't actually make any sense, but that's not the point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.27.171.228 (talk) 12:01, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ian Rose (talk · contribs) 14:47, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Do I have a choice...? ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 14:47, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Not really! You've probably got as much mileage done on these articles as anyone else now! - SchroCat (^ • @) 14:57, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Toolbox checks

• No dab issues.
• ELs generally okay but Financial Times (Hitchens) requires registration, probably should note that in citation. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:13, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

 Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 09:42, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Prose

• Completed my usual copyedit, happy with it now if you are.

It looks a lot better now, thanks. - SchroCat (^ • @) 09:42, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Structure/detail

• Look fine.

References

• Look reliable.
• In terms of citations, use consistent page numbering, e.g. in Garland, you have "179-188" alone but in others you use "p. ".

 Done the auto cite facility doesn't add the p., so I've forced in in there now - SchroCat (^ • @) 09:42, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

• I think MOS overrides caps in references, e.g. "PAPERBACKS".

 Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 09:42, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

• Well that was an example, there was another case with "REVIEW", but I took care of it. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:56, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Supporting materials

• Images look okay. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Happy to pass -- well done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:56, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
    • That's great Ian, many thanks indeed - as always! - SchroCat (^ • @) 13:00, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

—How to Write a Thriller, article by Fleming in 1962

Richard Chopping was the gay illustrator for the jackets of the James Bond novels by Ian Fleming from From Russia, with Love on. It was this novel with perhaps the impact of the illustration upon the jacket that with the words of John F. Kennedy to levitate its reputation began the USA following of Bond.

The blog of Mr Chopping http://literary007.com/ Artistic License Renewed An Art and Literary James Bond Blog and Tribute to Richard Chopping would not wish to misrepresent the brand, the product, or memory of the beginnings of Bond.

SchroCat has the liberty to take out the original text of the essay How to Write a Thriller, 1962, first published in an american magazine and republished in 1984 in the British 007 fan magazine.

The Choppng blog reprints facsimiles of the 7 pages from the 1984 fan magazine issue. http://literary007.com/2013/09/30/ian-flemings-how-to-write-a-thriller/

The editors of the blog would surely regard themselves as a reliable source.

We do not doubt SchroCat is acting in what he believes to be for the best representation of popular British culture in Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurencebeck (talk • contribs) 10:13, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

See WP:RELIABLE. Blogs, fan sites and associated ephemera are not considered reliable. If you can find information in a reliable sources, then the information may be suitable for a footnote, not nothing more than that. - SchroCat (talk) 10:45, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

I believe it was critical reading for the author. --Laurencebeck (talk) 10:50, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the author read it. We already mention that fact. The background to the document is of tangential interest to this article, and while a footnote may be suitable to cover it's history, it doesn't really merit full mention in the main text. Either way, reliable sources are needed. - SchroCat (talk) 11:17, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

. . Scro . . regards . . --Laurencebeck (talk) 22:48, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

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I have updated the infobox, which is now as complete as it can be (since the book is not a translation).

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