Talk:Coach (sport)

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World view

This article is written from a US perspective and needs a thorough rewrite with a world view. Further, most of the page is unsourced POV. The way forward is either to rename this page Coach (US sport) or to strip it down to a stub. BlueValour (talk) 04:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Agree. 181 (talk) 07:48, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Manager in the UK

Traditional what the rest of the world calls a coach we have called manager. This is especially true for association football. The article probably wants to address this.Londo06 20:01, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

This definitely needs to be dealt with. As an American, who has little interest in sports anyway it seems quite confusing. The picture of the Manager of the F.C. seems out of place as well, for that to fit there needs to be significant additional space on European coaches/managers.--Lord Procyon (talk) 04:46, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

See Manager (football). Managers are not coaches, but include coaching duties.

Origin of the word

Coach is one of the few English words borrowed from Hungarian. It comes (via French coche and German kutsche) from Hungarian kocsi, an adjective meaning ‘of Kocs’ (Kocs is a village in north-west Hungary, between Budapest and Györ, where carriages, carts, etc were made). In Hungarian the original full form was kocsi szeker ‘cart from Kocs’. The modern sense ‘instructor, trainer’ originated in 19th-century university slang, the notion being that the student was conveyed through the exam by the tutor as if he were riding in a carriage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kocs Bigshotnews 05:02, 16 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigshotnews (talk • contribs)

Globalise

The "Football" section refers primarily to the British usage. There's no mention of the term being used to describe a manager. Hack (talk) 08:46, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 16 December 2016

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) JudgeRM (talk to me) 16:55, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

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Coach (sport) → Sports coach – It's just simpler. Wikipedia:Disambiguation says "Natural disambiguation. When there is another term (such as Apartment instead of Flat) or more complete name (such as English language instead of English) that is unambiguous, commonly used in English (even without being the most common term), and equally clear, that term is typically the best to use." "Sports coach" or "Sport coach" (if this phrase is used in countries where English-speaking people engage in "sport" not "sports") is more natural than "Coach (sport)." 208.95.51.72 (talk) 15:28, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose. The WP:COMMONNAME for the subject if the article is "coach". Trying to follow WP:NATURALDIS in this case could actually cause confusion about the article's subject. Steel1943 (talk) 20:47, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose - Most sources go by "coach" not ports coach so IMHO I see no reason to move and potentially confuse people. –Davey2010 ^{Merry Xmas / Happy New Year} 05:14, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

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#American football

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An open letter to Wikipedia users viewing this section of this page....

I did not write the opinion about the societal disposition of American Football coaches you will see below. However, it is an opinion worth analyzing and it is an opinion. I think it is important to draw attention to it and I herein will explain why.

Let me start with what I do not take issue with, before elaborating on the problematic nature of the edit in question. I don't believe it is a factually inaccurate quote or source that is used, in other words- I do think the person who made this edit falsified its content, nor do I contest that The Guardian likely printed it. I note that to explain why I did not simply delete the quote as if it was a mistake or inaccuracy.

The reason for this observation is that no other similar section in this topic (Coach) contains an opinion on the social disposition of a particular coach in their sport or that sport at large. In other words, it is inconsistent with the other comparable sections, which are sections that explain the general responsibilities of a coach in the major sports. I believe in the principle of free speech, so again, I do not think it is appropriate to delete the below quote, but with that being said- I think some course of action should be taken that would rectify what is an inconsistency and more importantly, a question of integrity.

I would appreciate if other Wikipedia users visiting this section of this topic consider the following thoughts to rectify the issue, to be decided on by everyone- not by myself or any other single person.

The sections detailing the responsibilities of the Coach position in the major sports of the world contain a general explanation of the concept of "Coach" in a sports framework. The hierarchies and duties touched upon therein are undisputed facts, in the sense that they can be verified by the codified rules and explanations provided by the professional league of each sport.

For someone to include their personal opinion about the value system of the sport in question does not match the framework of the section and thus should not be housed in that section.

The case in point is this:

A user made an edit, which includes a link, that contains 2 lines, the nature of these lines are as follows: Line 1.An introductory statement; a quote from a news publication- "The Guardian describes the social conservatism that has defined American football coaches for decades:"

Line 2. The aforementioned quote

I find this edit problematic in an organizational sense for the topic of "Coach" at large and believe the motivation for such an addition is ideologically motivated and not in the interest of presenting facts about a topic to allow the public to educate themselves.

The Argument for Organization:

The addition of The Guardian quote and its presupposition is not related to the technical explanation for what the Coach of American Football does, nor would any quote about social commentary be related to the technical explanation of the Coach position in any of the other sports with individual sections.

The Resolution for Organization:

Create a new section entitled "Controversial Quotes from Coaches", which accurately captures the content of the quote. This section would include other examples of controversial quotes from any coach in any sport. This new section allows the sections giving technical overviews to remain as strictly true as possible by containing only information about the function of a Coach, while simultaneously providing an outlet for anyone to add quotes that may highlight when a particular coach made a statement that was met with pushback or inquiry by the public as it relates to society at large.

I believe this is the most logical and simple solution.

Thank you for your time,

Earnest Jack

Removal of section

I removed the section "Emotions in Coaching" for two reasons:

(a) its first part was merely quote spam without any context.
(b) the second part was entirely original research without citations.

If you disagree, let me know. Ping me then, especially if you revert my edit. From AnUnnamedUser ^{(open talk page)} 21:06, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

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Added Information

I added information in the section that talks about knowledge and added a term that is often used for the feedback from coaches. I also added the source from where the information came from. Sleepychicken4938 (talk) 01:04, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Sleepchicken4938. I also edited the grammar in the knowledge section to be easier to read.

References

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