Talk:Circles (Mac Miller album)
Latest comment: 1 year ago by 2600:8805:9A91:7400:A561:8AE0:96B7:54AF in topic Emo rap!?!??
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editSpeculation has it that Ariana Grande performed background vocals on this track. But I can’t see (no pun intended) any credit on liner notes provided by services such as Tidal. Yet Rap Genius’s liner notes say she did. ⌚️ (talk) 15:58, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Genius' song pages are largely user-generated and cannot be cited—they are also prone to speculation, like when they briefly listed Mac's "2009" as being sampled in Ariana's "ghostin" despite no confirmation. The physical edition liner notes won't be available for months, so the digital credits are all we have for now. Unless she or someone involved in the production of the album confirms it, we should leave it alone. Prefall 16:27, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, Jon Brion just did an interview with the New York Times where he states "he believes" the vocals on the track are Ariana's, but that he doesn't know for sure because it was a pre-existing track that he had not worked with Mac on. [1] There's a level of speculation on his part there, so I don't think it's enough to add it to the article. Prefall 23:48, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Emo rap!?!??
editMac Miller is spinning in his tomb. Elogisee (talk) 15:14, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Mac Miller is not Emo Rap no matter what the guardian says and putting him as Emo rap is frankly ridiculous.
This is coming from some who is a huge fan of the emo rap genre- Mac Miller is NOT "emo rap" just because he decided to speak about emotions and went a bit softer on this record. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.194.179.180 (talk) 15:42, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Whoever has access to edit, change the damned thing. The quoted article ([1]) is a review that doesn’t even define it as emo-rap, it mentions that genre alongside rock and pop as noticeable INFLUENCES, clearly stating in the title that the record is Hip-hop. Smokegrass420 (talk) 21:48, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Smokegrass420: Read this, don't add genres that based on your opinion. Genres need to be supported by sources that explicitly stated the album is that genre. You clearly don't understand how Wikipedia works here. Genre warriors are frowned upon. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 23:26, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- @TheAmazingPeanuts: I’m sorry about my original reply. I got carried away. Still, I don’t understand where exactly the article states that Circles is an emo-rap album. The only reference to this is that Mac Miller “added elements of soft rock, pop and more to emo-rap”, how is that explicit? And is that really defining the album’s genre more than the title when it states that it was “pushing hip-hop's boundaries“? Also, just curious: is using a review as the source for an album’s genre a common practice? It doesn’t sound very reliable. Genre warrior out. Smokegrass420 (talk) 18:08, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Smokegrass420: Genre elements do not count per WP:EXPLICITGENRES. I talked to Binksternet in June and he said this source explicitly called the album is emo rap, you clearly didn't read the whole thing. If you can find another source that explicitly called the album is hip hop, I would to agreed to add that. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 20:38, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- @TheAmazingPeanuts: You keep saying that I didn’t read the article, but I did! In fact I would argue that emo-rap in that context is mentioned as yet another genre in the mix to which pop and rock are added, which makes it bigger than both of these, but not exactly a explicit main genre, unlike hip-hop, which is mentioned in the title of the review as something that’s being broadened through the music in the album. Between these two non-explicit claims of genre I would certainly pick the latter. That’s my take anyway. Now, I didn’t pay much attention in class, but to my understanding, an explicit statement would be something that’s stated clearly with no room for interpretation. The only example of this that I can find in the review is “A languid and lightly funky rap record”. So what’s explicit is that this album is a rap record and not an emo-rap record. I’m just trying to understand, that’s all. Smokegrass420 (talk) 01:35, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Smokegrass420:
Circles continues Miller’s searching musical journey, adding elements of soft rock, pop and more to emo-rap.
The Guardian pretty explicitly called the album is emo rap. And I add another source in the infobox that actually called the album is hip hop right here. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 22:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)- Who cares. It is what it is to those who need what they need it to be 2600:8805:9A91:7400:A561:8AE0:96B7:54AF (talk) 05:56, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Smokegrass420:
- @TheAmazingPeanuts: You keep saying that I didn’t read the article, but I did! In fact I would argue that emo-rap in that context is mentioned as yet another genre in the mix to which pop and rock are added, which makes it bigger than both of these, but not exactly a explicit main genre, unlike hip-hop, which is mentioned in the title of the review as something that’s being broadened through the music in the album. Between these two non-explicit claims of genre I would certainly pick the latter. That’s my take anyway. Now, I didn’t pay much attention in class, but to my understanding, an explicit statement would be something that’s stated clearly with no room for interpretation. The only example of this that I can find in the review is “A languid and lightly funky rap record”. So what’s explicit is that this album is a rap record and not an emo-rap record. I’m just trying to understand, that’s all. Smokegrass420 (talk) 01:35, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Smokegrass420: Genre elements do not count per WP:EXPLICITGENRES. I talked to Binksternet in June and he said this source explicitly called the album is emo rap, you clearly didn't read the whole thing. If you can find another source that explicitly called the album is hip hop, I would to agreed to add that. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 20:38, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- @TheAmazingPeanuts: I’m sorry about my original reply. I got carried away. Still, I don’t understand where exactly the article states that Circles is an emo-rap album. The only reference to this is that Mac Miller “added elements of soft rock, pop and more to emo-rap”, how is that explicit? And is that really defining the album’s genre more than the title when it states that it was “pushing hip-hop's boundaries“? Also, just curious: is using a review as the source for an album’s genre a common practice? It doesn’t sound very reliable. Genre warrior out. Smokegrass420 (talk) 18:08, 7 September 2020 (UTC)