Talk:Bibimbap

Pronunciation

Please give romanization of this: 부븸밥. Badagnani 09:09, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Done. Badagnani 20:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Translation

"The word literally means "mixed rice" or "mixed meal."" -- The last syllable (bap) means rice.

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Although bap (밥) in Korean can mean both rice and meal, bap in Bibimbap must be "rice" only. Reason for that is becuase that is what it means in bibimbap and there is another mixed meal called "Bibim guksu" (비빔국수) which means "mixed noodles". The "mixed noodles" are also a kind of mixed meal. So if the word Bibimbap can literally mean "mixed meal", Bibim guksu can be Bibimbap too as mixed noodles can be a mixed meal. Yet Korean people never call "Bibim guksu" "Bibimbap" or vice versa.

Bibim guksu -> mixed noodles
noodles -> can be a meal

So if

Bibimbap -> mixed meal

Then

Bibim guksu -> mixed noodles -> mixed meal -> Bibimbap?
Bibim guksu = Bibimbap?

It doesn't make any sense. Therefore Bibimbap literally means "mixed rice" but not "mixed meal". --Kevshlee (talk) 08:10, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

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곱돌비빔밥

Is 곱돌비빔밥 a synonym for dolsot bibimbap? It shows up on menus. Badagnani (talk) 09:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
No, 곱돌 literally means agalmatolite. So, 곱돌비빔밥 literally means agalmatolite pot bibimabap, while 돌솥비빔밥 means stone pot bibimbap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DaeHanMinGuk (talk • contribs) 12:23, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

My local Korean restaurant uses 곱돌비빔밥 on their menu. A Google search on "gop dol bi bim bap" shows many places using that term. chill — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.252.246.155 (talk) 02:53, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Sanchae bibimbap

What is Sanchae bibimbap, which is eaten for Buddha's birthday? Badagnani (talk) 03:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Sanchae literally means "mountain vegetables". It's a kind of bibimbap some of the ingredients of which is replaced by edible mountain herbs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.202.57.83 (talk) 04:44, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Egg and beef

It was just removed that an egg and sliced beef are normative ingredients in this dish.

Encompassing the average of all versions of bibimbap, as served in South Korea and elsewhere, what is the estimate of what percent of bibimbap (both cold and hot stone pot) is served without an egg? What percent is served without an egg and beef? If the percent is something like 10 percent (something like pizza without cheese, which is fairly unusual, generally encountered only in nouvelle cuisine and special pizzas for vegans), we should regard the egg and beef as standard ingredients rather than as "common additions." Badagnani (talk) 07:50, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I would say the egg is fairly standard but not universally included or integral. Speaking from experience, beef or another meat is not usually included without being requested. Absent of an authoritative, uncontradicted source that indicates otherwise, and as there are variations according to region, individual restaurants etc., it would be appropriate to start with the basics (mixed rice and vegetables), pointing out that egg is common, and noting that other things such as beef or other meats (chamchi (tuna), jeyuk (spicy pork) etc are also widely available) can be added or included. Ascertaining the "average" components of what is sold as bibimbap by soliciting opinions on a Wikipedia talk page would constitute original research. I'm fine with removing the "pre", although it was to disambiguate between adding an egg cooked separately, and adding an egg which cooks when it comes into contact with the hot food or hot bowl. Deiz talk 09:19, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

This seems well-reasoned, *but* Google image searches of both the hangul and romanized name does show about 10-15% of unstirred bibimbaps that have no visible egg. Badagnani (talk) 09:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

By the way, do you live in South Korea, and, if so, are you able to sort out the differences (if any) between the North Jeolla food hwangpomuk and norangmuk? I think they are two words for the same thing, as with cheongpomuk and nokdumuk, but sources are very few on the Internet. Badagnani (talk) 09:23, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

10-15% sounds plausible, and in line with what I noted earlier. I do live in Korea - you'll find that and several more interesting nuggets on my user page - however, I don't have any particular knowledge about those dishes. Deiz talk 02:27, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

All right, if you have any North Jeolla colleagues or ever visit there, can you see what you could dig up? Badagnani (talk) 02:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure. Deiz talk 02:49, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Pyogo

How common are pyogo (shiitake) in bibimbap? Badagnani (talk) 21:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Gallery

The gallery section was unilaterally deleted by admin, Deiz as quoting WP:IUP. However, the policy page has no mention that inserting galleries to articles is prohibited. It only states like "use of gallery is generally discouraged". I believe the images in the gallery is necessary for readers since bibimbap has more varieties than the current article could cover. Deiz, if you don't agree with me, please come to discuss with me on this.--Caspian blue 19:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

The removal of the images was disruptive. Badagnani (talk) 06:45, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Banchan

The caption of the image in the preparation section reads

A selection of ingredients for making bibimbap

but I believe the small dishes in the picture are Banchan, side dishes normally served along with Bibimbap, rather than being ingredients found in the dish itself. So that probably either needs to be corrected or a different picture selected. I think it might be good if this page mentioned them too, but I defer to someone who actually knows Korean food --anon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.84.60 (talk) 05:07, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

pronunciation

This was transcribed with a fortis [p͈] in the bap. I wouldn't expect that, so I deleted it. Please correct me if I'm wrong. kwami (talk) 08:59, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I was wrong. kwami (talk) 17:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

My dictionary (Л.Б.Никольский, Цой Ден Ху и др. Большой корейско-русский словарь, «Русский язык», Москва, 1976) shows the (North Korean) pronunciation of 비빔밥 as [비빔빱]. — Sclerolith (talk) 20:19, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Korean word

Shouldn't the Korean word, written in Hangul, be included in the intro? Myceteae (talk) 19:04, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Bibimbap recipe

* things to prepare:boiled rice,bean sprouts, spinach, seasoned bracken served as a side dish, gochujang, sesame oil, ground sesame mixed with salt

* How to cook(very easy!) 1. Put all things in one large bowl 2. Make a fried egg and put that in the bowl 3. Mix all together! --Bohyunlee (talk) 15:41, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

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Korean words and hanja

To editor Rystheguy: Hi, I removed the hanja (Chinese characters) "乒乓飯" from the article, as both bibim (비빔) and bap (밥) are native Korean words. Please do not add hanja when the word is not Sino-Korean. Searching the word in Wiktionary (or preferably in Standard Korean Language Dictionary, if you know Korean) is helpful. The search result of bibimbap in the Standard Korean Language Dictionary shows that the word does not have a hanja representation.

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• Loanwords are written in hangul and optionally accompanied by the original language: 커피(coffee), 사케(酒) — Here, 酒 inside the parentheses is not hanja, but Japanese (original language).

P.S. The Chinese characters 乒, 乓, and 飯 are pronounced as ping, pang, and ban in Korean. --Talitiainen (talk) 08:28, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Talitiainen. Thanks for the information and great explanation. I actually added the hanja after seeing it in the lede of the Korean version of the article and didn't check the dictionary, though I certainly will in the future. I'm assuming you understand a lot more Korean than I do, so should this be removed from the Korean version? Thanks again, Ry's the Guy ^{(talk|contribs)} 09:43, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

@Rystheguy: Thanks for letting me know! I removed 乒乓飯 from the Korean Wikipedia page as well. The hanja characters were added by 76.167.232.59 in this edit, which seems like an edit by a Chinese (or possibly other language) speaker who doesn't speak Korean. (I've read some of their edit summaries and saw that many of their edits were reverted by others). --Talitiainen (talk) 10:00, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

@Talitiainen: Great, thanks again! Ry's the Guy ^{(talk|contribs)} 10:04, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

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shiteme oil?

I cannot find a definition for shiteme oil as mentioned in the Wikipedia listing for bibimbap. I searched for different spellings; shitimi, shiitimi, etcetera; on the theory that somebody spelled it wrong in the article. Recipes for Jenju Bimbimbap on the web call for sesame seed oil or roasted sesame seed oil.

The editing history of the Wikipedia bibimbap article shows that the article was revised by an unidentified editor (identified only by URL) 23:58 2020-03-12, changing the term “sesame oil” to “shiteme oil”. It seems to have been “sesame oil” for several hundred revisions going back to 2005. I think somebody played a bad joke. That's just a guess on my part, I know nothing about Oriental languages, being a Caucasian from southeastern USA.

Polymat~enwiki (talk) 14:03, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Italicize?

Should we italicize all mentions of "bibimbap", including in the title? Hanbok is italicized.

Relevant policy: MOS:FOREIGNITALIC. Based on the policy, I think whether we do depends on whether the word is "common" in English; I'd argue "bibimbap" isn't any more common than "hanbok" is in English. toobigtokale (talk) 20:27, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Actually I think it shouldn't; it appears to be an accepted word in English based on several dictionaries. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 00:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)