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:Agreed, it's not a 'honour' for the (senior) team. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 22:38, 10 November 2024 (UTC)▼
:::Agree that it should be removed. [[User:Kante4|Kante4]] ([[User talk:Kante4|talk]]) 18:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)▼
::::Yes, remove it. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 19:04, 12 November 2024 (UTC)▼
:::::Thank you both for your replies! I removed it! :-) [[User:Speun|Speun]] ([[User talk:Speun|talk]]) 19:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)▼
== Image query ==
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:::::::I've seen this credited to ''Epilogue to "The Old Vale and Its Memories"'', published in 1929. [[User:Hack|Hack]] ([[User talk:Hack|talk]]) 02:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::That book is not available through archive.org but there's links to downloads of it (in various formats) [https://www.valeofleven.org.uk/valesongsandpoems.html#ovaim here] however they don't seem to work. {{ping|AssociateAffiliate}} - might be worth contacting the site (contact details [https://www.valeofleven.org.uk/contacts.html here]).......? -- [[User:ChrisTheDude|ChrisTheDude]] ([[User talk:ChrisTheDude|talk]]) 08:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::That's a dead end. The [https://www.facebook.com/ValeHistory/photos/this-is-a-report-from-the-epilogue-to-the-old-vale-and-its-memories-on-a-footbal/1507526546113756/ Facebook post] that mentioned it is actually referring to text from [https://web.archive.org/web/20170207231939/https://www.valeofleven.org.uk/docs/TheOldValeEpilogue.pdf the book]. [[User:Hack|Hack]] ([[User talk:Hack|talk]]) 01:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:GiantSnowman|GiantSnowman]] [[User:Jcshy|Josh]] ([[User talk:Jcshy|talk]]) 05:18, 16 November 2024 (UTC)▼
::::The initial edit was not vandalism though, which is how you labelled it. [[User:Spike 'em|Spike 'em]] ([[User talk:Spike 'em|talk]]) 08:34, 16 November 2024 (UTC)▼
== National football team seasons ==
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:I would merge all of those into one article [[Saarland national football team results]]. [[User:Sgubaldo|Sgubaldo]] ([[User talk:Sgubaldo|talk]]) 22:16, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
::Honestly, you could probably even consider just dumping everything in the main [[Saarland national football team]] article. [[User:Sgubaldo|Sgubaldo]] ([[User talk:Sgubaldo|talk]]) 22:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
::: Totally agree, they struggle to meet [[WP:GNG]] on their own but are notable as a collection. If they can fit reasonably on the main Saarland national team page, I would merge there. [[User:Stevie fae Scotland|Stevie fae Scotland]] ([[User talk:Stevie fae Scotland|talk]]) 22:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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:It would be more appropriate to have these "seasons" described in the yearly "in X football" articles, such as [[2024 in American soccer]]. '''[[User:SounderBruce|<span style="background:#2dc84d; color:#0033a0; padding:2px;">Sounder</span>]][[User talk:SounderBruce|<span style="background:#7ce0d3; color:black; padding:2px;">Bruce</span>]]''' 23:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:Totally unnecessary forks, the Saarland national team only lasted a few years, everything can be summarized in the main article as [[User:Sgubaldo|Sgubaldo]] suggested. [[User:Svartner|Svartner]] ([[User talk:Svartner|talk]]) 03:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
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::Agreed that yearly national team articles are not notable and should definitely be merged into [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Country seasons|country seasons]]; even I was extremely hesistant of them back then in [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Australia_task_force/Archive_4#National_team_results|this discussion]] in the Australia task force. So long that if we remove/merge the yearly national team articles, then [[Template:Infobox national football team season]] and [[:Category:National association football team results by year]] should be no more as well. [[User:FastCube|FastCube]] ([[User talk:FastCube|talk]]) 09:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:::So this was all to [[WP:POINTY|make a point]] about the other 'results by year' articles? I do feel those are also excessive / unnecessary and should be merged. On the Saarland subject, there is not even anything to be merged, the results are already listed on the main team article and have been for a few years. [[User:Crowsus|Crowsus]] ([[User talk:Crowsus|talk]]) 15:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
== Categories ==
Let's see if, 18 years later, i am still seeing this wrong and thus need a wiki-lesson...
[[Iván Balliu]]: i removed the "Albanian expatriate sportspeople in Portugal" category because it seems a wrong one. The subject left [[F.C. Arouca]] (thus Portugal) in June 2015, and he obtained Albanian citizenship/won his first cap in August/October 2017.
I explained that reasoning in my edit summary, was immediately reverted and the other user did not use a single word for their actions. Where do we stand regarding this, please? And if the aforementioned category is indeed correct and i had no business removing it in the first place, why is that?
Attentively, enjoy the rest of your day [[User:RevampedEditor|RevampedEditor]] ([[User talk:RevampedEditor|talk]]) 13:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:You're correct as far as I am aware, there appears to be no doubt about the citizenship timeline: he wasn't Albanian when in Portugal. [[User:Crowsus|Crowsus]] ([[User talk:Crowsus|talk]]) 15:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
▲::Agreed
@[[User:Crowsus|Crowsus]] and @[[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]], thank you very much for your inputs. I'd say thus that there seems to be a consensus, so i re-removed the category and redirected the other user to this discussion (in the edit summaries); let's see if they respect it. --[[User:RevampedEditor|RevampedEditor]] ([[User talk:RevampedEditor|talk]]) 12:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
::::I added a hidden note underneath the categories explaining it. It likely is a Good Faith edit misunderstanding by the person who added it. [[User:RedPatch|RedPatch]] ([[User talk:RedPatch|talk]]) 17:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
== [[:Justine Emmanuel]] ==
No one seemed to noticed, this was recreated 15 days after it was deleted. Should it not be deleted and SALT? [[User:Govvy|Govvy]] ([[User talk:Govvy|talk]]) 10:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
== [[:List of Serie A broadcasters]] ==
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:If you look at the page history it was CSD/G4ed, but an admin declined as it was expanded from the previous deleted version. You'd have to AfD it again if you feel it's not worthy of an article. [[User:Spike 'em|Spike 'em]] ([[User talk:Spike 'em|talk]]) 11:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::New AFD started: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Serie A broadcasters (2nd nomination)]]. Everyone feel free to contribute there. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 11:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
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== Timestamps in infoboxes ==
Hi all, I've just been on the user talk of a user that amends infoboxes every week but never, ever updates the timestamp. They've been warned several times for over 12 months to do this but, as of today, they still choose not to. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that no matter how many times I ask them to do it, they'll never actually do it. As this is not vandalism or disruptive editing per se, it's very hard to encourage certain users to use the timestamp. I wonder if our standard infobox template would benefit from some hidden comments that guide the user to amend the timestamp? For example, in tennis infoboxes (e.g. [[Aryna Sabalenka]]) there are many instructions such as ''first date is death date, second date is birth date'' and ''NEVER UPDATE UNTIL THE WTA/ATP WEBSITE IS UPDATED (usually on a Monday)'' - that way, there is zero excuse when someone doesn't follow protocol. [[User:Spiderone|<span style="color: #996600">Spiderone</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Spiderone|<span style="color:brown">(Talk to Spider)</span>]]</sup> 16:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
:It ''is'' disruptive editing - it's essentially repeatedly adding factually incorrect information to BLPs. Hidden comments still get ignored. Blocking is a much more effective way of preventing disruption... [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 16:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
::Fair enough. I don't know why people don't do it, even after several reminders. It only takes a few seconds and it helps readers to see that the info is up to date. [[User:Spiderone|<span style="color: #996600">Spiderone</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Spiderone|<span style="color:brown">(Talk to Spider)</span>]]</sup> 16:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
:::I agree that it might not be intentionally disruptive but it is disruptive. Periodically I see someone making such an edit on an article on my watchlist, which by itself wouldn't be too bad but I then click on their contributions and see they have made similar edits at the same time to 20 or 30 other articles, all of which I then have to fix....... -- [[User:ChrisTheDude|ChrisTheDude]] ([[User talk:ChrisTheDude|talk]]) 17:01, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
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:::Sometimes, sadly, I think it's that [[WP:THEYCANTHEARYOU]]. [[User:Robby.is.on|Robby.is.on]] ([[User talk:Robby.is.on|talk]]) 18:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
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