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Hello Nicolay Sidorov,
Please stop uploading maps over others. you can always can upload you own files and convince wikipedia users in en.wikipedia (or other languges) to replace to your map. Geagea (talk) 19:13, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
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[edit]Привет. In these maps File:CPLPmap1.png File:CPLPmap2.png File:CPLP map-pt.svg File:CPLP map-fr.svg, Morocco and Western Sahara are one color. Could you fix that? MauriManya (talk) 18:50, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
- Okay. I will make corrections by Monday. --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 19:08, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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- okay--Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 05:16, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
- I did it, colleague :). See File:European Russia laea relief location map (with Crimea).jpg. Seryo93 (talk) 07:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
- Вот и славно, не будем мешать людям жить в мире иллюзий, где Крым - это Украина, а сами в русской вики будем использовать нормальную карту с российским Крымом --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 07:28, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
- Я в шоке от того, как вы свои личные политические взгляды переносите в Википедию. Крым - это спорная территория и должна на всех картах значится именно как спорная (например двухцветной полосатой заливкой, где один цвет - "российский", другой - "украинский"). А свои личные взгляды лучше держать при себе, а не превращать Википедию в поле политических войн. Gubtor (talk) 12:05, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- О моих взглядах Вы и понятия не имеете. Википедия не подчиняется решениям отдельных стран касательно границ, поэтому никто тут не запрещает отмечать Крым российской территорией при соблюдении нейтральности (НТЗ). Я считаю, что фактические границы обозначать на картах - это гораздо более правильный подход. В печатных картографических изданиях используются те границы, которые соответствуют политическим решениям в тех странах, где издания находятся, поэтому в российских атласах Крым российский, а в американских Косово независимое, например. У Википедии есть возможность использовать настоящие границы. Я понимаю, что многим людям обидно видеть Крым российской территорией, но реальность такова, что это как раз и есть российская территория --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 13:07, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
- При чем здесь обидно или нет, вопрос состоит в том, что вы как раз таки не отображаете реальный порядок вещей и не соблюдаете условия нейтральности, если Крым рисуете полностью российским.
- Я недавно имел спор с одним из участников, который нарисовал Крым как территорию, на которую распространяются исключительно российские законы. Но реальность такова, что если кто-то на территории Крыма нарушит украинское законодательство, он будет отвечать согласно украинским законам перед украинскими органами, так как с точки зрения Украины Крым - украинская территория. (Как пример - арест морских суден, которые с т.з. Украины незаконно заплывали в порты Крыма). И если мы на картах рисуем Крым полностью российским, мы в таком случае делаем карту таковой, что не является реальной, так как не отображает что на Крым распространяется украинское законодательство, например.
- Я агитирую за объективность и реальность информации, и я точно так же буду недоволен, если на карте Крым будет нарисован исключительно "украинским", ведь по факту он таким не является (хотя мои личные взгляды конечно же могут быть иными). А фразы "не будем мешать людям жить в мире иллюзий, где Крым - это Украина" по моему вообще проявление неуважения к другим учасникам сообщества. Я ценю Ваш вклад в Википедию но так же прошу максимально убрать Ваши личные политические взгляды и быть объективным. Gubtor (talk) 14:22, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
- "Мир иллюзий" - это не мои взгляды, речь шла о конкретном файле под названием European Russia laea relief location map.jpg. Так вот на нем Крым не обозначен спорной территорией, он там обозначен как часть Украины. Вы ведь говорите, что тоже против такого обозначения. Если говорить о юридических последствиях посещения какой-либо территории, то это не повод для того, чтобы менять карты. Можно составлять карты, где статус спорных территории будет определенным образом обозначен, я не против этого, но на моих картах такого обычно нет, по-моему это лишнее. Возможно, это имеет смысл там, где ведутся переговоры о статусе (ДНР, ЛНР, Карабах, Приднестровье, Северный Кипр), но касательно территорий, где всё уже определено (Крым, Косово), это смысла не имеет никакого. Я исхожу из того, что границы на карте - это границы независимых государств. Но в мире нет независимых государств вообще. Все в какой-то мере от кого-то зависят. Вот КНДР пытается изобразить полную независимость, но и это тоже лишь их иллюзия. Поэтому суверенные границы - это вообще в какой-то мере условность. Приплетать в эту условность еще и аресты судов и т.п. излишне. Что касается нейтральности, то она соблюдается, потому что не я придумал то положение дел, которое имеется, я лишь констатирую факт. --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 15:57, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
- При чем здесь обидно или нет, вопрос состоит в том, что вы как раз таки не отображаете реальный порядок вещей и не соблюдаете условия нейтральности, если Крым рисуете полностью российским.
- О моих взглядах Вы и понятия не имеете. Википедия не подчиняется решениям отдельных стран касательно границ, поэтому никто тут не запрещает отмечать Крым российской территорией при соблюдении нейтральности (НТЗ). Я считаю, что фактические границы обозначать на картах - это гораздо более правильный подход. В печатных картографических изданиях используются те границы, которые соответствуют политическим решениям в тех странах, где издания находятся, поэтому в российских атласах Крым российский, а в американских Косово независимое, например. У Википедии есть возможность использовать настоящие границы. Я понимаю, что многим людям обидно видеть Крым российской территорией, но реальность такова, что это как раз и есть российская территория --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 13:07, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
- Я в шоке от того, как вы свои личные политические взгляды переносите в Википедию. Крым - это спорная территория и должна на всех картах значится именно как спорная (например двухцветной полосатой заливкой, где один цвет - "российский", другой - "украинский"). А свои личные взгляды лучше держать при себе, а не превращать Википедию в поле политических войн. Gubtor (talk) 12:05, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- Вот и славно, не будем мешать людям жить в мире иллюзий, где Крым - это Украина, а сами в русской вики будем использовать нормальную карту с российским Крымом --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 07:28, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
- I did it, colleague :). See File:European Russia laea relief location map (with Crimea).jpg. Seryo93 (talk) 07:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
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[edit]Greetings.
Turkey and Northern Cyprus have abolished daylight saving and are permanently fixed on en:UTC+3 (en:Further-eastern European Time). (Also Crimea has not been updated in some of these files which is also permanently fixed on UTC+3.) See the news and sources. Can you change these files accordingly?
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Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 31.200.8.144 (talk) 01:23, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- Greetings and sorry to bother you again.
- Can you do these changes for Turkey and Northern Cyprus by copying the latest updates from the File:Time zones of Europe (Crimea disputed).svg except that Crimea must be colored totally in green, for these additional files below? Many cross-Wikipedia articles use these files which are not updated.
- Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 31.200.22.58 (talk) 11:07, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
- What about Donbass where time zone UTC+3 used --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 21:05, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, please include the Donbass as well in all these files, because the frontline/de facto border has stabilized and has not changed since last September. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 31.200.8.98 (talk) 00:40, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- What about Donbass where time zone UTC+3 used --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 21:05, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
Russia - the variant of future.svg map
[edit]Greetings.
In the File:Russia - the variant of future.svg you forgot to color the Russian Franz Josef Archipelago in green. (Could you also color Gotland in green, if you wish, because the spoiled and arrogant Swedes do need a smacking lesson one day.)
Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 31.200.8.144 (talk) 17:41, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
-thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicolay Sidorov (talk • contribs) 06:27, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
- Could you also color the Russian Franz Josef Archipelago in green? They are still grey. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 31.200.8.98 (talk) 00:43, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
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- Licensing of the image of a flag of any organization is just nonsense. --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 17:59, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi Have you got sources about LNR and DNR flags since February 2014 and the different changes. Also, according to Lugansk website, now there are coats of arms in Lugansk flag. Also, what are the sources about November 2014 flag ? Also, from when the arrow of Arabat was detached from the Crimean Oblast and integrated into Kherson? --Panam2014 (talk) 16:46, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
- Hi
- 1) There are 2 flags of LNR: old - [1], modern - [2]. Before november, 2014 there is not official flags, some people used this flags de-facto: [3][4][5]. There is not coat of arms in modern LNR flag - see lugansk low.
- 2) Northern part of arrow of Arabat was detached from Crimean oblast on March, 3, 1955 [6]
--Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 17:22, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you. And for Donetsk People's Republic ? Also, for Lugansk, who is that flag ? [7], [8] and [9] ? Regards. --Panam2014 (talk) 18:56, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
- The official flag of LNR has no coat of arms. Placement of the coat of arms on a flag of LNR is just tradition. On the Russian flag the Russian coat of arms is also often represented [10][11]. Also the flag of Novorussia [12] often contains coat of arms [13] unofficially. The Donetsk flag all differently. The flag of the DNR officially contains the coat of arms and an inscription "ДОНЕЦКАЯ НАРОДНАЯ РЕСПУБЛИКА".[14][15] --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 07:00, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- [Flag of the Lugansk People's Republic (Late 2014).svg have you got a source for that flag] ? --Panam2014 (talk) 14:58, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- LNR President Plotnitski inaguration [16] --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 15:52, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- In August 2014 ? --Panam2014 (talk) 17:09, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- in november 2014 --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 06:17, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
- Okay. And for DNR, there are two versions of the flag ? The pre june 2014 flag was or wasn't be official ? Also, like for the old flag of Lugansk, are there variant ? --Panam2014 (talk) 11:30, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
- There is 1 official flag of DNR - [17]. Before 2014 untiukrainian protests "Donetsk Republic" organisation (political party now) used this flag - [18][19]. In 2014 this organisation to head protests and de-facto used new flag for new state (DNR) - [20][21]. This flag became unofficial flag of the new state before august 2014. In june 2014 official flag of DNR was approved, but it was used seldom before august-september 2014. At the same time DNR politicals used unofficial flag, DNR and LNR warriors used flag of Novorussia [22][23] before september's agreement was signed in Minsk. After this, official flag of DNR began to be used often, the old unofficial flag became the flag of "Donetsk republic" political party[24], the flag of Novorussia began to be used very seldom (but in march 2015 in Debaltsevo flag of Novorussia had been set up[25]) --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 10:47, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
- Have you got information about Donetsk People's republic's Berkut units ? --Panam2014 (talk) 21:24, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry, no, I have not --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 21:34, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
- There is 1 official flag of DNR - [17]. Before 2014 untiukrainian protests "Donetsk Republic" organisation (political party now) used this flag - [18][19]. In 2014 this organisation to head protests and de-facto used new flag for new state (DNR) - [20][21]. This flag became unofficial flag of the new state before august 2014. In june 2014 official flag of DNR was approved, but it was used seldom before august-september 2014. At the same time DNR politicals used unofficial flag, DNR and LNR warriors used flag of Novorussia [22][23] before september's agreement was signed in Minsk. After this, official flag of DNR began to be used often, the old unofficial flag became the flag of "Donetsk republic" political party[24], the flag of Novorussia began to be used very seldom (but in march 2015 in Debaltsevo flag of Novorussia had been set up[25]) --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 10:47, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
- Okay. And for DNR, there are two versions of the flag ? The pre june 2014 flag was or wasn't be official ? Also, like for the old flag of Lugansk, are there variant ? --Panam2014 (talk) 11:30, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
- in november 2014 --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 06:17, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
- In August 2014 ? --Panam2014 (talk) 17:09, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- The official flag of LNR has no coat of arms. Placement of the coat of arms on a flag of LNR is just tradition. On the Russian flag the Russian coat of arms is also often represented [10][11]. Also the flag of Novorussia [12] often contains coat of arms [13] unofficially. The Donetsk flag all differently. The flag of the DNR officially contains the coat of arms and an inscription "ДОНЕЦКАЯ НАРОДНАЯ РЕСПУБЛИКА".[14][15] --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 07:00, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you. And for Donetsk People's Republic ? Also, for Lugansk, who is that flag ? [7], [8] and [9] ? Regards. --Panam2014 (talk) 18:56, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
I have remembered one more unofficial flag of the DPR which was used in May, 2014[26]. It represents something between the first unofficial flag and a flag accepted officially in June, 2014. This flag it was used during the referendum on independence of the DPR on May 11, 2014.[27] It is possible to see it on propaganda posters during the referendum.[28][29] --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 08:07, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you. For that, in May, there are 2 variants ? --Panam2014 (talk) 20:43, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, there are. But I never see this flag after referendum. I so think that leaders of the DPR wanted to think up the republic coat of arms which differed in something from the coat of arms from "Donetsk Republic" organization flag. But have finished thinking about a final version of official flag only in June therefore during the referendum in May there was still so far some unfinished variant. This variant hasn't been often noticed and in general as I already spoke, till September, 2014 in the DPR seldom what flags were used, besides flag of Novorussia and this - [30] --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 21:22, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you. For that, in May, there are 2 variants ? --Panam2014 (talk) 20:43, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi Donetsk Flag has been deleted without consensus. Also, I have saved the file in my PC's Flash Disk. What is the solution ? --Panam2014 (talk) 13:01, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
- It is unpleasant that propagandists of "country-404" spoil Wikipedia. But I don't warry about svg-file deletion, because the png-version[31] is more accuracy. If you want to upload saved svg-version, you must fix it before upload. --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 14:13, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
- We need to create files from the coat of arms posted on commons. Do you know a contributor who knows how to do this? --Panam2014 (talk) 12:09, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
- Was the flag downloaded from the DNR site or was it made by a contributor? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Panam2014 (talk • contribs) 13:21, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
- I don't know, but I think that coat of arms png-file downloaded from DPR site. It is obvious that the coat of arms is drawn in the vector editor and is saved in png format. I am sure that if the file was created by the contributor, then he would load the svg-version into Wikipedia, he wouldn't to load the png-version.
- What do you want to create specifically? - svg-versions of this (coat of arms) and this] (flag of DPR)?--Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 21:02, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
- The file has been restored. Otherwise, why do you say that the ".png" file is better than the ".svg" file? Does the ".svg" file contain any inconsistencies? We could create ".svg" versions of Coats of arms. --Panam2014 (talk) 10:52, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, png is better. Compare original flag[32] with png-version[33] and svg-version[34]. Font size, eagle size and location... --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 11:34, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
- Could you retyle the svg-version ? --Panam2014 (talk) 13:46, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
- I saw that you created a version with a smaller eagle. So the eagle is small that in this variant of the flag or even for the other two? --Panam2014 (talk) 16:41, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- There is small eagle in LPR's flag version with "NOVORUSSIA" ("НОВОРОССИЯ") word only [35]. There are big eagles in other versions. About your question about svg-version flag of DPR: I can fix it, but in several day. I these days in a business trip in Moscow, I can't be also engaged in these affairs now. And I want to create this[36] flag too. --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 18:44, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you, good job. Current flag will be deleted again. --Panam2014 (talk) 21:49, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- Hi. Have you got sources that DNR's flag was used by the party from 2010 ? --Panam2014 (talk) 13:48, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
- Hi. Have you got sources that DNR's flag was used by the party from 2010 ? --Panam2014 (talk) 13:48, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you, good job. Current flag will be deleted again. --Panam2014 (talk) 21:49, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- There is small eagle in LPR's flag version with "NOVORUSSIA" ("НОВОРОССИЯ") word only [35]. There are big eagles in other versions. About your question about svg-version flag of DPR: I can fix it, but in several day. I these days in a business trip in Moscow, I can't be also engaged in these affairs now. And I want to create this[36] flag too. --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 18:44, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- I saw that you created a version with a smaller eagle. So the eagle is small that in this variant of the flag or even for the other two? --Panam2014 (talk) 16:41, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Could you retyle the svg-version ? --Panam2014 (talk) 13:46, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, png is better. Compare original flag[32] with png-version[33] and svg-version[34]. Font size, eagle size and location... --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 11:34, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
- The file has been restored. Otherwise, why do you say that the ".png" file is better than the ".svg" file? Does the ".svg" file contain any inconsistencies? We could create ".svg" versions of Coats of arms. --Panam2014 (talk) 10:52, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
- Was the flag downloaded from the DNR site or was it made by a contributor? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Panam2014 (talk • contribs) 13:21, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
- We need to create files from the coat of arms posted on commons. Do you know a contributor who knows how to do this? --Panam2014 (talk) 12:09, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Variant_Flag_of_the_Donetsk_Republic_Organisation.svg/220px-Variant_Flag_of_the_Donetsk_Republic_Organisation.svg.png)
There were 2 flags of Donetsk Republic organisation before 2010: black-blue-red with eagle and black flag with same eagle. For example, see this news at 2007: [37] or this photo from ukrainian president Yushchenko period too: [38] or 2006 photo of Andrey Purgin (ex-leader of Donetsk Republic):[39] with t-shirt like organisation flag (black without blue and red). In russian wikipedia is written that simplified black-blue-red flag without eagle was used as official flag from 2010 to 2014. This is wrong information without any proofs. Photos: 2010: [40], 2013: [41]. 2010 Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Republic celebration news: [42]. 2012 Andrey Purgin video: [43]
- [44] For the golden eagle's flag, are there circle of golden stars on an azure background ? If it is the case, we should edit the file in Commons. --Panam2014 (talk) 10:39, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- You have to understand that the LPR flag with a Golden eagle never officially used and almost never used for demonstrations and performances. This flag is just an invention of social network users. The use of this flag outside of social networking never left. However, most of the flags of the DPR, LPR and the Novorussia were manufactured in China and sold through Chinese online stores. It so happened that in these stores there was a flag LPR with a Golden eagle. Therefore, it is still sometimes possible to see, but very rarely. So, there were two versions of this flag (with Golden eagle), one of them in the upper left corner was the coat of arms of Ekaterinoslav province (the letter "E" with stars, the same as on the coat of arms of Lugansk, but without "1787" numbers), and the letter "Н" (~N) in the word "ЛУГАНСК" was written with a straight horizontal line ("H"). In another embodiment, the symbol Ekaterinoslav province was absent, and the letter "H" was written as "N" ("ЛУГАNСКАЯ"). This is old Church Slavonic spelling, which was used in the days when the letter "И" written as "H" and the letter "H" was written as "N" (all these letters taken from the Greek alphabet, where they are now so written). As I recall, this option (with the letter "N")[45] were sold on Aliexpress, so at least some widely. The second variant[[[File:Variant Flag of the Donetsk Republic Organisation.svg|thumb]]] of the distribution almost did not. --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 11:26, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you. And for the coat of arms ? --Panam2014 (talk) 15:11, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you. And for the coat of arms ? --Panam2014 (talk) 15:11, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- You have to understand that the LPR flag with a Golden eagle never officially used and almost never used for demonstrations and performances. This flag is just an invention of social network users. The use of this flag outside of social networking never left. However, most of the flags of the DPR, LPR and the Novorussia were manufactured in China and sold through Chinese online stores. It so happened that in these stores there was a flag LPR with a Golden eagle. Therefore, it is still sometimes possible to see, but very rarely. So, there were two versions of this flag (with Golden eagle), one of them in the upper left corner was the coat of arms of Ekaterinoslav province (the letter "E" with stars, the same as on the coat of arms of Lugansk, but without "1787" numbers), and the letter "Н" (~N) in the word "ЛУГАНСК" was written with a straight horizontal line ("H"). In another embodiment, the symbol Ekaterinoslav province was absent, and the letter "H" was written as "N" ("ЛУГАNСКАЯ"). This is old Church Slavonic spelling, which was used in the days when the letter "И" written as "H" and the letter "H" was written as "N" (all these letters taken from the Greek alphabet, where they are now so written). As I recall, this option (with the letter "N")[45] were sold on Aliexpress, so at least some widely. The second variant[[[File:Variant Flag of the Donetsk Republic Organisation.svg|thumb]]] of the distribution almost did not. --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 11:26, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/COA_LPR_Jun_2014.svg/220px-COA_LPR_Jun_2014.svg.png)
Eagle was never been an LPR coat of arms.
- File:COA LPR Apr 2014.svg. It is false COA. It should be deleted ? --Panam2014 (talk) 15:39, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- Yes. Unambiguously --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 06:40, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
- Could you create an svg version of the current DNR flag ? --Panam2014 (talk) 10:50, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you. Could you create an svg version of Official Donetsk People's Republic coat of arms.png ? --Panam2014 (talk) 13:27, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
- The current file is bad. Could you fix it ? --Panam2014 (talk) 20:42, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you. Could you create an svg version of Official Donetsk People's Republic coat of arms.png ? --Panam2014 (talk) 13:27, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
- Could you create an svg version of the current DNR flag ? --Panam2014 (talk) 10:50, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
- Yes. Unambiguously --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 06:40, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
- File:COA LPR Apr 2014.svg. It is false COA. It should be deleted ? --Panam2014 (talk) 15:39, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
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Спасибо за карты. Мне кажется, что граница Донецкой губернии должна быть замкнутой линией. Сейчас на карте только часть границы. --Butko (talk) 08:43, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
- Ну, если Вы имеете ввиду, что надо было обвести синей линией не только границу Донецкой губернии внутри УССР, но и границу внешнюю (с РСФСР), то это вряд ли можно как-то сделать. Дело в том, что сами эти карты показывают как изменялась граница между УССР и РСФСР в течение нескольких лет, и основные эти изменения касались собственно Донецкой губернии. Т.е. было несколько вариантов ее границ в разные годы, и это не те карты, где я бы хотел их все обозначать, а обозначать только по состоянию 1925 год смысла просто нет никакого, это никак не прибавит информативности картам. Эти карты посвящены определённым темам: одна из них посвящена разделу области Войска Донского, другая - народным республикам Донбасса. Сейчас на этих картах просто для информации обозначена граница между Донецкой губернией и остальной территорией УССР по состоянию на 1925 год, поскольку это может быть интересно кому-то. Я ее добавил просто потому что эта граница в общем-то не мешает просмотру карты, не бросается особо в глаза. Но лишние нагромождения там ни к чему. Я вот как-то пытался изобразить на карте с ЛДНР как изменилась граница Екатеринославской губернии во второй половине XIX века[46], но это только испортило карту. Поэтому если подходить к вопросу границ Донецкой губернии основательно, то тогда надо рисовать третью карту, посвящённую исключительно Донецкой губернии, ведь её западная граница тоже менялась. Также можно сделать отдельную карту по поводу восточной границы Екатеринославской губернии. А уделять особое внимание Донецкой губернии на картах, ей напрямую не посвященных, не стоит. --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 10:41, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Malorossia
[edit]Hi Have you got sources about the flag and the consitution ? --Panam2014 (talk) 12:58, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Hello.
The files File:Standard time zones of the world.png and File:DEC31 World Time Zones.png which were last uploaded on 19 September 2016 and 19 October 2017 respecitvely and have not been updated since, need to be updated to reflect the latest changes as of November 2017, because both Sudan and Namibia have changed their time zone to UTC+2 on 1 November and on 8 August 2017 respectively (and Namibia also abolished DST), and Northern Cyprus reverted back to UTC+2 (and uses DST again) on 29 October 2017.
Thank you.
31.200.16.107 11:20, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
Request
[edit]Hello.
Cany put in the Wikipedia articles the up to date file File:DEC31 World Time Zones.png whose title is not restricted according to a certain year, because many Wikipedia articles are using files that are restricted to a certain year and therefore are obsolete (unless these articles indicate the year of these files). Importantly, the time zones of Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk are also shown in this file, separately from Ukraine (unlike most of these obsolete files).
Here are the files that need to be replaced with the above mentioned file:
- File:Standard time zones of the world.png
- File:Standard time zones of the world (2011).svg
- File:Standard time zones of the world (2005).png
- File:Standard time zones of the world (2007).png
- File:Standard time zones of the world (2007-02-20, white bck).svg
- File:Standard time zones of the world (2012) (2).png
- File:Standard time zones of the world (2012) (3).png
The reason I requested this because I live in Turkey, and Wikipedia is completely banned and blocked in Turkey by the Turkish government. If I lived in another country I could have replaced these files myself.
Thank you.
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Cherkash (talk) 22:31, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
Hello.
In File:Russophone.svg can you color Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan as well as Abkhazia and South Ossetia in the same color as Russia etc., because in that file there are only two categories with countries where Russian is an official language and countries where Russian is widely spoken but is not official.
Thank you.
31.200.11.49 15:57, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- There is no difference between an "official language" and a "state language", because they are different wordings for the same thing (e.g. like "streetcar" and "tramway" for the same type of transport). Russian is an official language at the national level in Belarus, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan and also in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
- Can you do the changes? I am SVG illiterate and cannot do these changes. 31.200.11.49 12:29, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- In all the countries listed below (both internationally recognized and partially recognized), Russian is a co-official language with equal status:
- Article 7 of the Constitution of Kazakhstan: http://www.akorda.kz/en/official_documents/constitution
- Article 10 of the Constitution of Kyrgyzstan: http://extwprlegs1.fao.org/docs/pdf/kyr127812E.pdf
- Article 6 of the Constitution of Abkhazia: https://abkhazworld.com/aw/reports-and-key-texts/607-constitution-of-the-republic-of-abkhazia-apsny
- Article 4 of the Constitution of South Ossetia: http://www.parliamentrso.org/node/13
- That is why, all these countries need to be in the same color as Russia and Belarus. 31.200.11.49 08:23, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
In the legend you added here (with the summary "+ legend") the description of different colors used doesn't match the language in the image's description. Which one is correct? Please fix either the image or the file description. Cherkash (talk) 22:14, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- Could you please fix per my request above? Cherkash (talk) 22:33, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
- Pinging again. Cherkash (talk) 22:38, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Может быть, всё же ответите/исправите? Cherkash (talk) 01:13, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Pinging again. Cherkash (talk) 22:38, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Done I've fixed both legends to harmonize them. Please use the latest image version for your future incremental edits. Cherkash (talk) 19:58, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- а зачем вы изменили легенду? я не очень понял смысла вашей правки --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 20:07, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- Вам полтора года предлагалось сделать это самому... ;) А вообще, вы про какую легенду — в самой карте или в описании к ней? Если в самой карте — то это объяснено в кратком описании к загрузке новой версии (по сути, тёмно-серый – это вариант стран, признающих независимость, а не наоборот). Cherkash (talk) 22:00, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
А, всё, увидел. И это вот эту мелочь Вы столько раз просили поменять? Господи... я даже не увидел разницы сразу, было бы о чем говорить. Эту тмную серую заливку вообще просто убрать надо, давно там всё известно, кто чего признает Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 22:39, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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--- Быть может, Вы поставите более подходящую лицензию, если Вам моя не нравится, вместо того, чтобы номинировать на удаление кусок советской карты, авторские права на которую даже теоретически не могут быть нарушены? Дело в том, что я не смог найти ни одной карты административного деления Азербайджанской ССР за всё последнее время ее существования, это удивительно - есть куча карт и про Армянскую и про Грузинскую ССР в открытом доступе, в том числе в Википедии, а АзССР нет ничего. Я нашел фотографию карты АзССР с районами, кто-то продавал на авито, но она плохого качества. Поэтому было сложно показать границы Шаумяновского района, который так важен, потому что был частью НКР. И тут удача - оказалось, что на карте АрмССР 1988 года есть фрагмент АзССР с НКАО. А теперь Вы пишите, что лицезия не та. Ну, поставьте тогда ту, которую надо. Я-то взял эту лицензию с другой такой же советской карты, кем-то загруженной, из такого же советского атласа просто по аналогии. Это же советские карты, там нет никаких авторских прав ни на что. Я бы мог запросто перерисовать этот кусок карты в photoshop и опубликовать как собственную работу, но это будет неправильно, потому что точность этой карты весьма условная, ее ценность как источника информации только в том, что она была официально опубликована, а не в том, что там были точно показаны границы. К сожалению, точных границы мы не знаем и вряд ли уже узнаем. --- Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 20:08, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Стоит обсуждать не здесь, а на странице обсуждения "к удалению". Cherkash (talk) 01:12, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
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Bogazicili (talk) 04:29, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Maps of Shahumyan
[edit]Hi! I am working on maps about the Karabakh region and I am wondering, what the source of your map of Shahumyan and the Getashen region is. Also I would be interestested in the meaning of the colors, since the only version with a caption is the Russian one, which I can't read. --Don-kun (talk) 16:44, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- Hi! Blue is Shahumyanovs district, purple is Getashen subdistrict (Geranboy district), Yellow - Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous province (armenian forces controlled area, 2016), Green - NKAO (Azerbaijan forces controlled area, 2016), Grey - other territories of Azerbaijan. There is not one source of this map, because I used some soviet maps for it. See this for example:
http://mapk38.narod.ru/map1/index.html
https://satmaps.info/genshtab.php?sq=k38
http://www.etomesto.ru/map/base/105/pochva-azerb-1991.jpg
and others I don't remember...
--- Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 17:50, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks. What is the meaning of the white and orange areas? --Don-kun (talk) 19:00, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- )) Google-maps with satellite photoes for your help! )) -- Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 20:42, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- What do you think about this: [47] ? -- Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 20:49, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- Its a better depiction than other maps we used so far, I think. Sadly some texts are too small to read, even when I enlarge the image. Having "Nagorno Karabakh" and "Mountainous Karabakh" in the map is confusing, since both describe the same. I think the first refers to the Autonomous Oblast? I am also wondering about the border of the oblast. In this map it seems to be derived from the Советская система разграфки и номенклатуры топографических карт. I used that too, but I didn't find the exclave and the enclave southeast of Berdsor in that source. Which is weird, that map should be the most accurate. In other maps, like the soviet one about armenia or the one from US map service, does show the exclave and the enclave. Do you know more about this? --Don-kun (talk) 05:11, 21 October 2020 (UTC) p.s. This new map can not be used in the chapter of the German article you put it in, since the chapter is about the provinces.
- I must say that you are very attentive. Finding all the enclaves and exclaves was a big problem for me. Unfortunately, Soviet and Russian cartographies have never been distinguished by attention to detail. If you want to see a more accurate location of enclaves, then use maps of the Azerbaijan SSR or modern Azerbaijan. In modern Azerbaijan, these enclaves near Berdzor are formally preserved in the same form as in the Azerbaijan SSR. Nagorno-Karabakh and Mountainous Karabakh are not the same. Nagorno-Karabakh is a political entity with the border of the former autonomous region. On my map, this entity is indicated in a separate color (yellow), so it is appropriately signed. Just as all territorial units are signed, for which a separate color is chosen (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iran, Shaumyanovsk district and Getashen subdistrict). Mountainous Karabakh is a geographical region that includes the entire Artsakh Republic within the borders of 1994 (with the exception of Agdam). I did not designate the boundaries of geographical regions. And there is no separate color for them. This is just additional information to understand that Mountainous Karabakh has more territory than a Soviet political entity with the same name. This very often happens that the names of countries and provinces repeat the names of geographically regions, but do not coincide with them along the borders. Therefore, I consider it important to show this. Geographic regions are indicated in a different font so as not to cause confusion. About font sizes. I thought about it. Unfortunately, there is only one option here - to make another map, for which write a legend with notes or make notes, where in large print indicate everything. Maybe I'll come up with something. In any case, I am going to add several more settlements and roads to this map, so corrections will still be made. -- Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 06:05, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- If you need to, you can download this archive with the line of demarcation on the satellite map google. [48] --- Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 06:25, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link! In regard to Nagorny Karabakh I am aware that differences between the geographical region and the political entities exist. This is why I assumed you are refering to these different things. Nevertheless when I read English or German text (in German Mountainous Karabakh = Bergkarabach), both terms are often used interchangebly. So I suggest to write "Nagorny Karabakh Autonomous Oblast" to make clear you are refering to the Soviet political entity. The different font is something that no everyone will understand without a legend. Regarding the font size a legend would be an option. An alternative would be to write the explanations in a bigger font size and horizontally besides and point to the borders or symbols with an arrow or stroke.
- I also noticed a enclave north of Talish in your maps - or am I misinterpreting the maps? where does this come from?
- At the moment I am working on topographic maps of the region. File:Topo map AZ AM de.png is the first one, as an overview, and pretty much done, thou some adjustmends will be made and an English version may follow. I plan on making some more detailed maps, but I have not yet decided how to cut them. I could make a topographic map just about the former NKAO, or the territory of Artsakh, or a bit more up to Ganja and Nakhchevan (city), or on Karabakh as a whole. Or I do maps for greater regions like the lesser Kura-Aras-Lowland, higher Kura-Aras-Lowland, mountainous Nakhchevan/Syunik/Artsakh/Karabakh, western (modern) Armenia. Also a map showing the whole of the AZ-AM border might be useful for explaining the conflict - but lesser useful as a topography - streching from Erivan to Ismailli and from Aras river to Rustavi. But that would be pretty large and could not be so detailed. Maybe you have some suggestions or ideas? --Don-kun (talk) 10:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- I must say that you are very attentive. Finding all the enclaves and exclaves was a big problem for me. Unfortunately, Soviet and Russian cartographies have never been distinguished by attention to detail. If you want to see a more accurate location of enclaves, then use maps of the Azerbaijan SSR or modern Azerbaijan. In modern Azerbaijan, these enclaves near Berdzor are formally preserved in the same form as in the Azerbaijan SSR. Nagorno-Karabakh and Mountainous Karabakh are not the same. Nagorno-Karabakh is a political entity with the border of the former autonomous region. On my map, this entity is indicated in a separate color (yellow), so it is appropriately signed. Just as all territorial units are signed, for which a separate color is chosen (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iran, Shaumyanovsk district and Getashen subdistrict). Mountainous Karabakh is a geographical region that includes the entire Artsakh Republic within the borders of 1994 (with the exception of Agdam). I did not designate the boundaries of geographical regions. And there is no separate color for them. This is just additional information to understand that Mountainous Karabakh has more territory than a Soviet political entity with the same name. This very often happens that the names of countries and provinces repeat the names of geographically regions, but do not coincide with them along the borders. Therefore, I consider it important to show this. Geographic regions are indicated in a different font so as not to cause confusion. About font sizes. I thought about it. Unfortunately, there is only one option here - to make another map, for which write a legend with notes or make notes, where in large print indicate everything. Maybe I'll come up with something. In any case, I am going to add several more settlements and roads to this map, so corrections will still be made. -- Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 06:05, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- Its a better depiction than other maps we used so far, I think. Sadly some texts are too small to read, even when I enlarge the image. Having "Nagorno Karabakh" and "Mountainous Karabakh" in the map is confusing, since both describe the same. I think the first refers to the Autonomous Oblast? I am also wondering about the border of the oblast. In this map it seems to be derived from the Советская система разграфки и номенклатуры топографических карт. I used that too, but I didn't find the exclave and the enclave southeast of Berdsor in that source. Which is weird, that map should be the most accurate. In other maps, like the soviet one about armenia or the one from US map service, does show the exclave and the enclave. Do you know more about this? --Don-kun (talk) 05:11, 21 October 2020 (UTC) p.s. This new map can not be used in the chapter of the German article you put it in, since the chapter is about the provinces.
- This enclave in the northern Nagorno-Karabakh causes the most problems. The Azerbaijani authorities not only liquidated the Autonomous province in 1991, but also liquidated the Mardakert district. Therefore, it is impossible to see where the border passed in this place on modern Azerbaijani maps. You can see a schematic representation of the enclave on these maps. They do not make it possible to understand the exact location of the borders, but they confirm the very existence of the enclave.
- On this map, you can see that the border of the Autonomous region rises slightly above the Injachai river near Tapkarakoyunlu before turning South:
- Unfortunately, the only map that most accurately shows the passage of the border in this place is the soil map of the Azerbaijan SSR, which I have already shown you:
- If you compare this map with a Google satellite image, you will generally understand how the border was drawn. That is, the northern border of the Autonomous province in that area did not run along the Incachay river, but along the southern suburb of Tapkarakoyunlu. Satellite images show abandoned land plots in the area. At the same time, the Injachay river was the northern border of the enclave within the Autonomous province . There was located the village of Kazakhly (just don't confuse it with another village with the same name, which is located near the Georgian border).
- I also want to draw your attention to a very important fact. You may be surprised that in the USSR, borders are sometimes marked differently on different maps. It's not just someone's inattention or the scale of the map. In the USSR, internal administrative borders were never confirmed graphically, i.e. any internal borders are always only a verbal description of this type: "the border should be along the river AAA, and then in the village of BBB rotates about 30 degrees North on an imaginary line leading to the ridge CCC...". In this form all of these bounds have been recorded in various Soviet orders. When you look at a large-scale Soviet military map, it seems to you that every detail is visible on it. But don't mislead yourself. This is just some cartographer, reading all this scribble from Soviet documents, drew a pencil border in the place where it seemed more appropriate. All this is very approximate. --- Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 06:57, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- Looking at the small exclave near Lacin, its position seem to be different in some maps. In the automobil map its suggested to be on the southern side of a small stream and going up the slope to a path. In some other maps its similar. In the Map of the US Army map service, its distinctivly north of the same river and enclosing the village of Deyshtagat (not the near Dyshtagat). The map of the Armenian SSR seems to back this more northern positioning. Do you have an oppinion on that? --Don-kun (talk) 17:48, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- Btw: When correcting this map you forgot to add the enclave near Talish and the smaller one near Yukhary in the southeast. --Don-kun (talk) 17:51, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
About Deyshtagat. This was my mistake when I made corrections on this map:
I also initially made a mistake and thought that the ruins Deyshtagat was enclave. But this is not the case. It's all about poor-quality maps. See this maps, they are most trustworthy:
In fact, the modern Azerbaijani borders of Khojavend district and Kubatli district repeat the location of the old internal Soviet borders. And if you will check the modern location of Deyshtagat, you will see that it locates in Kubatly district (not Khojavend). The enclave are the ruins of another settlement - Tezkharab (rus. Тезхараб, don't confuse it with another village with the same name in Armenia). The outline of the enclave is similar to Pacman. These outlines are easy to guess on the map. See this: [57] --- Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 06:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
- Today I looked into Hewsens Atlas of Armenian History. In his map of the NKAO he shows an azeri enclave east of Stepanakert. Its also shown on some other maps like the automobil map, but there its an exclave of the Shuhi district and thus stil in the NKAO. Buts Hewsen explicitly names this an Azeri enclave. DO you have an opinion on that? He btw also shows the exclave of Eart'alat, seems to be what you call Tezkharab, as an Armenian village already deserted in the soviet times. --Don-kun (talk) 21:30, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- I don't have the Hewsen Atlas handy. Maybe you can upload it to a file sharing service? About these enclaves. Most likely, you are talking about enclaves inside the Askeran district. These enclaves were part of the Shusha district within the NKAO. And now they have formally remained part of the Shusha region of Azerbaijan. That's why you saw them on the road map. These territories were never excluded from the NKAO. On the contrary, this was the plan of the Azerbaijani authorities back in Soviet times. They tried to create an Azerbaijani residential area in the middle of the NKAO along the route from Shusha to Agdam. But the plan was not to exclude these territories from the NKAO, but to create a cancer that would grow in the heart of the autonomy. The center of Azerbaijani colonization was the city of Khojaly near Stepanakert. In the end, the NKAO should have ceased to be an Armenian administrative unit. I immediately recall an analogy to this situation, maybe you have heard about Unassigned Lands in the Indian territory in the United States. That's where the white colonists once started settling-from the very center. This is a very similar situation. --- Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 06:50, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Take a look --Don-kun (talk) 11:40, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Can you upload these files to dropmefiles.com? ufile.io blocked in Russia, and this site doesn't work through anonymizers --- Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 13:23, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Does it work? --Don-kun (talk) 17:18, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, thank you. I looked at the map. It's a mistake. It's a simple mistake. The author saw an enclave of the Shusha district on some map and decided that it was an enclave that was not part of the NKAO. Because in any case, all these maps were drawn from Soviet sources. I do not believe that at least one researcher took a verbal description from Soviet decrees and painted the border on them with a pencil on a map. All these maps in any foreign sources are just reprints of Soviet maps. For example, on this map you can see that the Shushin enclaves are for some reason painted in a different color. This is also a mistake - only on the Soviet map:
- Does it work? --Don-kun (talk) 17:18, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Can you upload these files to dropmefiles.com? ufile.io blocked in Russia, and this site doesn't work through anonymizers --- Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 13:23, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Take a look --Don-kun (talk) 11:40, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- I think if the author of a foreign atlas saw some similar map, then he can make a mistake.
- And Eart'alat is a mystery, of course )) --- Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 17:59, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- I drafted a topographic map of Artskh (in German, English will follow): File:Topo map Arzach de.png. Its still a draft and very unorganised, but maybe you have some suggestions on what to include. Missing important settlements? I already recognised that the Khoda Afarin Reservoir is missing. --Don-kun (talk) 18:52, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- I think that in German Jebrail is Dschäbrajil (Cebrajil is a near-turkish name, letter C as "DZH" - this is atypical use in other languages). Armenian name of Schuschi is Schuscha (since in other cases Armenian toponyms are also used). And what about adding official 1992 border of NKR? --- Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 19:34, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- Because the orignal NKR borders of 1991/2 were obsolete since the war, I would not include them. I rather think about including the de-facto provincial and rayon boundaries. But even that might be too much, since the focus of the map should be on topography. Short lived or not operative borders would be a distraction from that. But I consider making a topographic map on the NKAO, since that would be different in many ways and also cover a longer period of time. --Don-kun (talk) 11:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- In fact, the borders of 1992 are not outdated, as are the borders of NKAO, by the way. The borders of 1992 are recognized in the NKR as official borders of the state. Moreover, the NKR Constitution states:
- Because the orignal NKR borders of 1991/2 were obsolete since the war, I would not include them. I rather think about including the de-facto provincial and rayon boundaries. But even that might be too much, since the focus of the map should be on topography. Short lived or not operative borders would be a distraction from that. But I consider making a topographic map on the NKAO, since that would be different in many ways and also cover a longer period of time. --Don-kun (talk) 11:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- I think that in German Jebrail is Dschäbrajil (Cebrajil is a near-turkish name, letter C as "DZH" - this is atypical use in other languages). Armenian name of Schuschi is Schuscha (since in other cases Armenian toponyms are also used). And what about adding official 1992 border of NKR? --- Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 19:34, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- Статья 175. До восстановления территориальной целостности Республики Арцах и уточнения границ публичная власть осуществляется на территории, фактически находящейся под юрисдикцией Республики Арцах.
- Article 175. Until the territorial integrity of the Artsakh Republic is restored and the boundaries are clarified, public power is exercised in the territory actually under the jurisdiction of the Artsakh Republic.
- Thus, speaking of the "territorial integrity," the authorities of Nagorno-Karabakh have in mind just the territories within the borders of 1992. And they call the adjacent territories "actually under jurisdiction." I.e. these territories were not annexed. Of course, the fact is also known that the old borders of the NKAO do not even coincide with the borders of the NKR districts. I would compare this with the administrative division of Israel, where Jewish settlements in the Palestinian Authority are often administered by the authorities of adjacent areas of Israel.
- And there are also NKAO borders. The UN calls them the borders of the "Nagorno-Karabakh region." I.e. The UN distinguishes the territories of Nagorno-Karabakh from the territories around it. The definition of "Nagorno-Karabakh region and seven adjacent districts" is officially used.
- Therefore, I think that the old borders have some status. It is possible that even the borders of NKAO have a greater status than those of 1992. The borders of the NKAO can be compared with the borders of Kashmir. I.e. Kashmir was a kind of autonomy within British India, and then the modern border between India and Pakistan appeared as a result of hostilities. However, from the point of view of UN resolutions, this territory has always been one and was called the State of Jammu and Kashmir. And all issues of self-determination of this territory (as autonomy) have always been considered in the context of a unified Kashmir (although the participants in the confrontation themselves actually divided Kashmir into several separate administrative units). I.e. on the one hand, the old borders have long been outdated, and on the other hand they have some official status. And you can see the borders of Kashmir on many maps and atlases. Although in fact this border has long been gone. It seems to me that the situation with Nagorno-Karabakh is similar.
- I think it's right to take one of two approaches.
- The first option is to designate the border of 1992 as the state border of the NKR, and the demarcation line of 1994 as the demarcation line. A similar approach, for example, is used in Russian official atlases when marking the borders between India and Pakistan in the Kashmir.
- The second approach is to consider the line of demarcation of 1994 as a state border, and to designate the former border of the NCAO in some not very obvious way. Soviet & Russian cartographers used this approach to mark the borders of Israel and Palestine. I.e. they marked the demarcation line of 1949 with a state border, and painted the border in a small dotted line on the basis of the UN resolution of 1947. I think this option would be right for your card. See what it looked like (I could not find the images on the Internet, so I photographed my atlas (1995), there the 1947 border is surrounded by a blue pen. Do not pay attention to the fact this "blue pen editing"):
- By the way, this map of Israel has a funny story. Soviet cartographers began to do this after the independence of the State of Palestine in the 1980s (the USSR recognized this state), and before that, the border of 1947 was considered the state border, but the legality of the annexation of the West Bank by Jordan was recognized. Look at how funny it looked! The Palestinian state turned out to be composed of two parts: the Gaza Strip and... Galilee, without West Bank! I think, The king of Jordan, probably, did not even dream of such borders )) :
- --- Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 14:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- I would disagree on that. The constitution only speaks of "territory actually under the jurisdiction" and does not discriminate between the territory of the former AO and other territories. The provincial system confirms that. AZ abolished the AO. So no one did hold up the borders of the AO after '91. The wording of the UN is vague, marked by "region", which more hints to the geographical region and not the former soviet entity (which could have been adressed directly). Alltogether I would not include a border in a topographical map, when this border is whithout any practical meaning on the ground. --Don-kun (talk) 22:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- Well, let's say bluntly, the line of demarcation of 1994 now also does not have any practical significance... --- Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 22:50, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- I would disagree on that. The constitution only speaks of "territory actually under the jurisdiction" and does not discriminate between the territory of the former AO and other territories. The provincial system confirms that. AZ abolished the AO. So no one did hold up the borders of the AO after '91. The wording of the UN is vague, marked by "region", which more hints to the geographical region and not the former soviet entity (which could have been adressed directly). Alltogether I would not include a border in a topographical map, when this border is whithout any practical meaning on the ground. --Don-kun (talk) 22:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- --- Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 14:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- Now these exist. I hope I did not make too many errors. --Don-kun (talk) 20:23, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
can you correct these svgs?
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These pictures all show Somaliland, a regime that is not recognized by any country, but Kosovo and other countries recognized by more countries do not show that the national boundary should be in accordance with the standards recognized by the United Nations rather than double standards. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 154.62.182.10 (talk) 08:19, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
- I think that in this case, Wikipedia participants have an unspoken consensus that allows you to designate Somaliland on maps.
- 1. Somaliland is a former separate British colony and former independent state, whose status was not lower than that of other colonies - French Somalia (Djibouti) and Italian Somalia. The status of Somaliland in this sense is close to that of Eritrea when it became part of Ethiopia. And, obviously, the recognition of the independence of Somaliland is only a matter of time.
- 2. There is no single Somali nation and never existed. The division into clans and subclans has always been more important than ethnic and linguistic unity. Somalia is more a geographical term than a political, ethnic or other term.
- 3. Somalia has not been a single State for many years.
- 4. Somalia is not likely to take control of Somaliland in any way (diplomatic or military).
- 5. The territorial integrity of Somaliland is ensured (after signing an agreement with SSC factions). This fundamentally distinguishes Somaliland from undecolonized territories (Western Sahara and Palestine), which have a higher legal status but do not have real sovereignty.
- It is thanks to all these conditions that the republic of Somaliland is increasingly designated on the maps. This fundamentally distinguishes it from Kosovo and other territories. There are no more unrecognized states in the world that can bring the entire list of conditions to their advantage. Probably, such conditions will soon be fulfilled for North Yemen (if the Houthis proclaim a separate state - the successor of the republic that existed before 1990). And there are no other such countries in the world. Wikipedia participants in this case do not take a position that could be interpreted as supporting someone's special interpretation of legal acts (for example, as can be the case with the Turkish justification of the existence of the Republic of Northern Cyprus or the Russian justification of the annexation of Crimea), but proceeds from a neutral approach and objective perception of reality. Therefore, I do not think that there is a need to remove Somaliland from the maps. On the contrary, I believe that it should be added to other maps. --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 09:56, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
I cannot agree with your point of view. The Somali race is a real existence and is significantly different from Eritrea. The races of Eritrea and Ethiopia are obviously different. They even believe in different religions, and Eritrea declared independence almost at the same time as Somaliland. Only supported by the equally isolated Taiwan, there has not been any international recognition so far. If the same standards are followed, why not show Abkhazia, which is officially recognized by Russia and other countries? The boundaries of the colonies cannot be used as any basis. Many borders have been changed after the end of World War II. Not long ago, the Federal Government of Somalia broke off diplomatic relations because Kenya received the President of Somaliland, and the relationship between Somaliland and Taiwan has also annoyed China. You have a basis to prove any Will the country recognize Somaliland? — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 47.74.222.169 (talk) 10:10, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
And I have seen that your previous editor deleted the border of Somaliland for the same reason. In fact, Somaliland cannot control the entire area of the British colony. The area bordering Puntland has always been under Puntland’s control. Show these unrecognized countries, so they should be displayed according to the actual situation rather than only Somaliland, the most isolated regime — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 47.74.222.169 (talk) 10:15, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
- I don't think it's a matter of international recognition. Because this is not about separatism and this is not about the attempt of the region to separate from the mother state. The border of Somaliland is the border between the two former colonies, which, according to the UN Declaration on Decolonization, would be separate countries. And Somaliland was such a state for several days when Britain granted it independence. The state of Somalia are no longer there, so there is nothing wrong with identifying those borders that correspond to the boundaries of colonis on the current maps.This border is current today. And so it will be tomorrow. There will never be any "united Somalia" again. About the "Somali race." Is there even a race here? We're talking about nations, not races.--Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 11:06, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
According to the United Nations, the border of the colony is only meaningful at the time of independence, and the two Somaliland colonies of Italy and the United Kingdom have been merged without objection. Just like Tanzania, the self-proclaimed Republic of Somaliland is only the use of the British colony by members of the issaq tribe. The regime established in name is of course the same as other separatism, otherwise why has no one recognized it? If recognition is meaningless, then why these Somaliland people are always seeking recognition. The decolonization of the United Nations has many results. Many colonies did not become independent but merged with other surrounding areas. This is obvious, Malaysia and India This is the case in many countries such as Papua New Guinea. If Somaliland’s unilateral statement is valid, then many places in this list should be marked separately
https://www.un.org/dppa/decolonization/ru/history/former-trust-and-nsgts — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 154.62.182.10 (talk) 11:55, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
- Recognition is not meaningless, but its absence does not mean that the state does not exist. Conversely, recognition is not a sign of existence, as Somalia is an example. It is impossible to simply erase a quarter of a century of anarchy from history and pretend that nothing happened. During this time, on the territory of the former British Somaliland was completely restored to the state, which was de-facto incorporated into Italian Somalia. And it is the only truly functioning Somali state. In Wikipedia, we maintain a neutral position. We will not support any nonsense. For example, that some self-styled "Federal government" that appeared 15 years ago is supposedly the state that appeared in 1960. This "Federal government" a few years did not control almost anything except the suburbs of Mogadishu. And now it does not control half of the former Somalia. Naturally, we will adhere to neutrality and call things by their names. No Somalia has existed a long time ago. Somaliland is an independent state, the successor of British Somaliland. --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 14:14, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Moscow and St. Petersburg are mixed up in the map itself, can you fix that? Esszet (talk) 04:28, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Subdivisions of Karabakh
[edit]Hi! I have some questions about the subdivisions in Karabakh, especially Shusha and Stepanakert. In many articles about Shusha, it is described as an rayon on its own, not part of Shusha rayon. Is this (still) correct? If not, when was it? In the maps you uploaded about the NKAO, its part of Shusha rayon and in some other maps of the time too. The recent depictions of the city by AZ agree with Shusha being part of the rayon. Also in your maps it seems that Stepanakert too was not a city/rayon on its own but part of the surrounding rayon. Was that the case in the NKAO? It seems not to be the case after the 1990s, it seems, according to AZ sources and those of Artsakh. --Don-kun (talk) 11:49, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
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--Yann (talk) 15:06, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
New York in the Donbas
[edit]Hi Nicolay, Firstly thanks for all your work on Map_of_the_war_in_Donbass.svg. It may interest you to know your edit of 14:04, 4 April 2022 changed "Novhorods'ke" (West of Gorlovka) into "New York", which seems a little implausible! Best regards, Batternut (talk) 11:30, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps you will be very surprised, but this is the real name. In addition, it is a historical name. See en-wiki article "New York (Ukraine)"--Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 13:27, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
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Thanks for your efforts in keeping the map updated. It seems that Lugansk's urban area (red) was misplaced westwards, and is clearly off coordinates, since your update on May 7. I did not check for the other cities. However, all in all, your work is appreciated. Kahlores (talk) 01:58, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Я пришёл написать вам об этом же. Недавно уже обращался здесь: File talk:Map of the war in Donbass.svg#Lugansk error. Территория города Луганск красного цвета сместилась сильно влево после вашей правки 7 мая. Сравните с тем, что было 18 апреля. Город изображён совсем не там, где он есть на самом деле. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 15:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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Ukraine
[edit]East Donbas is missing from your photo on Ukraine, it should be sticking out more like this photo on the right. Can you add it --Aaron106 (talk) 10:15, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Eastern Donbass is present in this image. However, the border often changed, so a small protrusion of Russian territory deep into the Ukrainian SSR quickly turned into a large protrusion. This has been happening since the end of 1922. You showed the map of the Ukrainian SSR in the form that it existed in 1920, when a lot of Russian territories were just transferred there. Then the territories began to be returned back to Russian SFSR. Since we are talking about my map with the borders of the Ukrainian SSR at the time of the formation of the USSR in December 1922, it is these borders that should be marked.
---Nicolay Sidorov (talk)
Oh that is interesting I did not know this map was from 1920, since you know the years and to try and improve Wikimedia could you look here [[61] and try to correct the years of Ukrainian maps. --Aaron106 (talk) 03:47, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
November 2022
[edit]If I see anything like this again I will block your account. What you should understand is that Wikimedia Commons, and, for this purpose, any Wikimedia project, is not the place to advertise aggressive war, war crimes, and mass murder. Ymblanter (talk) 07:56, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
- As you wish. I leaved Wiki project 4 month ago, because I agree our russian liberaration war against post-USSR colonial borders and against ukrainian occupation of russian territories of Novorussia and Sloboda Borderland. I saw that that person ardently defended his views and also left the project because of them. Therefore, I wrote him a letter in peace-loving tones so that he would simply understand my position. I had no intention of promoting or turning this project into a forum. If I knew a different way to tell him my position (for example, e-mail), I would do it in this way. It wasn't about supporting murder or aggression. --Nicolay Sidorov (talk)
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