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File:Portada Rolando Saca Redes Sociales.jpg

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Foto extraida de la cuenta de Facebook oficial del piloto. Posiblemente se le haya eliminado la marca de agua que posee la imagen (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=952394733554737&set=pcb.952395056888038&locale=es_LA). XxAlanEZExX (talk) 00:08, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Our copy is bigger and has EXIF data. Yann (talk) 11:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Podio 24H Barcelona 2023.jpg

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Extraida de la cuenta oficial de Facebook del piloto, infracción de derechos de autor (https://facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=804291085031770&set=pcb.804291178365094) 2800:810:496:400:7811:7909:3FE7:E903 01:12, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Our copy is bigger and has EXIF data. Yann (talk) 11:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:LLOYDS LIST.jpg etc.

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Uploads are unused on any WMF project. Commons is not a personal image upload repository.

File:HIGH_COURT_LE$GAL_DECISSION_AWARDING_DAMAGES_TO_Mr.jpg
File:HIGH_COURT_LEGAL_DECISSISION_AGS_PAGE_1.jpg
File:HIGH_COURT_LE$GAL_DECISSION_PAGE2Scan.jpg

All are legal documents for a particular High Court case with amount awarded, names and so forth.--FeralOink (talk) 02:37, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Los Angeles CA 20240323 (155).jpg

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Per COM:PACKAGING Johnj1995 (talk) 02:34, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Grand Nancy Thermal (53300810594).jpg

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No freedom of panorama in France A1Cafel (talk) 04:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  •   Keep. Part of the building is new, but most (including what is focused on here) was built by Louis Lanternier who died in 1916. The main focus of the image is critical for French freedom of panorama. IronGargoyle (talk) 12:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Logo Lemhannas.png

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{{speedydelete|This is not the actual logo of the organization. Some elements in this logo are wrong.}} Humas Lemhannas RI (talk) 04:33, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:1929 Старое и новое.webm

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Ignoring the non-free audio, which can be rectified, this isn't the original version of The General Line (Старое и новое). If you compare it to File:1929 Старое и новое; Генеральная линия.webm, you'll see that it's zoomed in and the frame is constantly moving around. This makes it less educationally useful but also makes it a copyright issue (see Maljack Productions, Inc. v. UAV Corp., which established that pan and scan versions of a PD film are copyrightable). hinnk (talk) 04:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Rüütli 40a, Pärnu.jpg

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No FoP in Estonia, architect Alar Kotli died in 1963 and Anton Soans died in 1966 A1Cafel (talk) 04:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


@A1Cafel see Category talk:Alar Kotli. RZuo (talk) 09:58, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Question How about permission from Anton Soans (or his heirs)--A1Cafel (talk) 10:02, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Screenshot of Chinese Wikipedia Main Page on Sogou Browser.png

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Although the screenshot of Wikipedia are free content, the main body is the interface of a non-free browser. Thyj (talk) 06:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Keep Browser interface is way too simple to be copyrighted (COM:TOO) TheImaCow (talk) 17:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Files found with Special:Search/Notgeldschein Bielefeld

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These German Notgeld (emergency money) bills from the 1910s are works of Fritz Eich, who died in 1957. So they are not in the public domain in Germany yet, and the files should be deleted. They can be restored in 2028.

Rosenzweig τ 07:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


File:Компоненты настольной игры СУПЕРТАНК.webp

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COM:TOYS Sleeps-Darkly (talk) 07:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Balidan (1927 film).jpg

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2019 film workshop poster, unknown whether this is a single restored still of a 1927 film or a more elaborately composited image. Belbury (talk) 08:34, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.

Files uploaded by Atreearockacloud (talk · contribs)

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Artworks by living artist Clare Woods. No permission.

BrightRaven (talk) 15:06, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: Natuur12 (talk) 14:52, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Files uploaded by Atreearockacloud (talk · contribs)

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copyright violation; contemporary artworks; no "own work" at al!

Martin Sg. (talk) 09:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:加油台湾！慈善海味便當.jpg

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COM:PACKAGE Solomon203 (talk) 10:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Files uploaded by Zoocentral23 (talk · contribs)

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None of these own work. The mammals are taken from https://kids.kiddle.co/Hogle_Zoo, the old phots are DW, all need VRT

Gbawden (talk) 11:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep the following as "PD-no notice" The Salt Lake Tribune did not carry a copyright notice in the masthead or the second page that carries the publisher details. This was required up to 1989. --RAN (talk) 15:14, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:1973 Rendering of Hippo Building.png
  • File:Jane Goodall Opens African Savanna Exhibit 1986.png
  • File:Hogle Zoo's Feline Building 1971.png
  • File:Origional Giraffe House Plan 1968.png
  • File:PrinceUtah.jpg (postcard)
  • Comment: While the "own work" claim is certainly incorrect for at least some of these, the Kiddle website linked in the nomination is a Wikipedia mirror. SevenSpheres (talk) 20:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Flickr bilde.jpg

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Not likely own work, title says "Flickr" however no link confirming this. This photo is used as her profile picture on X ([1]). Kakan spelar (talk) 11:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Hamburg Notgeld 50 Pfennig 1921 (2).jpg

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While the front side of this 1921 German Notgeld (emergency money) bill was designed by Hans de Bruycker (1894–1935), the reverse side is a work by his younger brother Allda-Eugen de Bruycker, who died in 1981. So the file is not in the public domain in Germany yet and should be deleted. It can be restored in 2052. Rosenzweig τ 12:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Madeleine Renaud

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This is not a proper gallery page: with only one image. This does not present readers with a structured and meaningful collection of media. JopkeB (talk) 13:49, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Susan Seidelman (Moody College of Communication) 6.jpg

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I never gave permission for this photo to be used or shared publicly. Please remove it. Thank you. 2601:8A:200:CA0:1B6:1213:45D2:A410 13:57, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Info: Still available on https://flickr.com/photos/42941359@N06/49522024572 --Achim55 (talk) 19:54, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:조순탁 박사.jpg

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This file was initially tagged by Gksyy as Speedy (speedydelete) and the most recent rationale was: Accidental upload
Converted to regular DR as image does not qualify for G7-speedy (uploaded 10 months ago). -- Túrelio (talk) 13:57, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Files uploaded by Estrellato (talk · contribs)

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Random licensing, taken from Facebook (FBMD in metadata) or from other external sources without authors' permissions.

  1. File:Hanga Klekner 2023.08.19-27. Budapest, Nemzeti Atlétikai Stadion.png
  2. File:Raven luchadora en Torreón.jpg
  3. File:Hatanna training ropetrick dives in Big Luchas gym.webm
  4. File:Lady Shadow with title AKE Women.jpg
  5. File:La Vaquerita 2022 entrevista CMLL.png
  6. File:Nautica and Adira luchadoras.jpg
  7. File:Nexy luchadora Michoacán.jpg
  8. File:Emperatriz in Torreón 2023.png
  9. File:Article green waterworld.png withdrawn
  10. File:CloudQueretaro (cropped).jpg
  11. File:Farsante luchador - Máscara.png
  12. File:Ecatzingo escudo 2.png
  13. File:Ecatzingo escudo 1.svg
  14. File:CloudQueretaro.jpg
  15. File:CambridgeMA.jpg
  16. File:Arena Pavillón del Norte.jpg

Quick1984 (talk) 11:12, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These are all my own work except for green water world.png which is Public Domain and the webm file which I got personal permission to use and have sent in to the appropriate channels. Saying for example ecatzingo escudo is from Facebook is ridiculous, I painted that by myself. The reason some pictures are taken from Facebook is because I have lost or broken my older computers and phones and that's the only way I have access to them now. Estrellato (talk) 11:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These are all from my travels in Mexico, except for the ones I already author request CSD:ed. Estrellato (talk) 11:46, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually a few of them were taken by a close friend who has explicitly allowed me use their material for Wikipedia, which I can provide evidence for.
The last 8 files are completely my own work and if you delete them, I'm never touching commons ever again. Estrellato (talk) 12:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Really

@Krd: Really? Not even an answer to my arguments. Just deleted like that? Photos I've worked hard to get, own work, things I've drawn. Sure there were two or three copyvios because of a misunderstanding but you just delete within a day without even hearing or answering to my discussion? I'm done with commons. Don't expect me to ever upload or photograph for Wikipedia ever again. I've been part of this project for 13 years, a wiki sysop for 4 years. All because of some made up claims from a single user just because two or three pictures were copyvios, unintentional, missunderstanding of rules. The rest was MY OWN WORK. Plain rude, disrespectful and I'm considering leaving the project for good if this case does not get reopened. Estrellato (talk) 00:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You might as well delete all my photos. If this is how you treat users over here. I want no part of this project. This is some bullshit. You even deleted a public domain .svg for a Wiki competition. Just blindly trusting one user and not even looking into anything yourself. Estrellato (talk) 00:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was even an ongoing VRT submission. And all the last 9 photos were completely my own work and I will stand by that until I die. The deletion motivation for those were a complete lie. Estrellato (talk) 00:45, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


  • Speedy deleted files not own work by the uploader. See COM:VRT. --Krd 06:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What were the reasons for speedy deleting #9 in the above list? The reasoning "Random licensing, taken from Facebook (FBMD in metadata) or from other external sources without authors' permissions" doesn't seem to apply here, as I can see. About the other photos, is there a case of needing to connect uploading account with Facebook user account? Isn't this being taken care of in the above-mentioned ticket? Paracel63 (talk) 07:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Delete: # 14, 10, 15, 16: no evidence of own work, taken from Facebook (FBMD in metadata);   Weak delete # 3: copyrighted background music; # 12, 13: derivatives of 2015 (see page 5), the original source and it's copyright status must be provided. --Quick1984 (talk) 10:37, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Keep 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 and 16. If you actually bothered to read the discussions and my arguments you would know there is evidence of own work. See the link at User talk:Krd where I claim I am indeed Estrellato and agree to release all these photos to PD. #3 is up for VRT to decide, not you. @Quick1984 / Estrellato (talk) 14:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would suggest you demonstrate a better understanding of copyright principles (many users here already doubt your understanding), rather than aggressive behavior. Quick1984 (talk) 16:36, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would love to, but I don't know how many times I need to explain now that I lost the original device some of the photos were taken from. That does not make me lose the right to claim this is my own work; as I have done in said album on Facebook (while unwillingly outing my real name, but I felt I'd rather do that than having the pictures deleted). Posting once more for good measure. Here. Estrellato (talk) 00:04, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, in my personal opinion. I have not expressed any aggression. Perhaps frustration, because my pictures just keep getting nominated for deletion on very shaky and sometimes plain false motivations, and in some cases I haven't even been given time to respond despite the fact that I'm a content project sysop and have been a wikimedia contributor for over 13 years. Estrellato (talk) 00:07, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Estrellato: Usually an image from Facebook will still have other meta data outside of the tracking code unless someone intentionally goes out their way to strip it so they can pass it off as PD. Not to say that's your doing here, but it is extremely suspect. Even more so since of the images were clearly edited in other apps but yet they still lack any kind of meta data saying exactly what software was used. There's no way that it just randomly or accidently happened for no reason to every single image you uploaded. --Adamant1 (talk) 11:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have no response to this. I took the pictures, perhaps I would have added an instagram filter or something and uploaded them to Facebook. I am no Metadata expert. But as I've already proved on Facebook, all of the pictures are by me by commenting my username on the album - I don't see the issue. Estrellato (talk) 13:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Comment For the videos with audible music, unless both the composition and the performance are explicitly free licensed, this is copyright violations. Stripping the audio from the video may take care of this concern if the video portion is free licensed. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 14:25, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Again this is up for VRT to decide. I have no idea what music that is, if it's copyrighted or not. All I know is my friend wanted this to be uploaded and asked me to do it and I said sure, but I'll have to take it through VRT since it's not my video. Estrellato (talk) 00:09, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could {{PD-Coa-Mexico}} apply? --Geohakkeri (talk) 14:53, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point; I have no objection to changing license and information on the file page accordingly with link to true source. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 17:14, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, let's do it. Estrellato (talk) 00:02, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Infrogmation Has this been done? Estrellato (talk) 13:52, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Files uploaded by Estrellato (talk · contribs)

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Masks have copyrights. All of these images infringe on one or more copyrights.

.     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 14:10, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is insane. No, masks don't have copyright. Who told you that? I guess every Rey Mysterio, Mankind or Kane photo should be deleted too then, by your way of thinking? To me, its just clear you are running a witchhunt against me.
Also half the photos aren't even of masks. They are CLEARLY own works, and you're just trying to ruin everything I worked for. That's the only way I see this.
If masks had copyright, aren't the wrestlers themselves infringing when taking pictures, if they didn't sew the masks themselves? This is a completely ridiculous argument. What about people wearing makeup for a photo? That's copyrighted too because a make up artist did the work? You realize how ridiculous that sounds right?
As I already explained, I made a mistake uploading 3 copyvios because another user lead me to believe everything on youtube was CC-applicable. I quickly learned otherwise, realized I should have made better research and G7 tagged all of those. All this time I have acted in good faith and now you are just trying to ruin everything I ever worked for in this project with absurd arguments. Estrellato (talk) 17:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jameslwoodward Estrellato (talk) 16:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Strong oppose per above. Estrellato (talk) 17:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Oppose I have too agree with Estrellato on this one, we can't delete the files because someone have a mask on. // Kakan spelar (talk) 17:04, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Keep it is COM:DEMINIMIS modern_primat ඞඞඞ ----TALK 18:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
+ i declined renaming request for File:2019-07-13 21-20-51 ILCE-6500 DSC00772 DxO.jpg. you can make a rename request when this DR closed up. modern_primat ඞඞඞ ----TALK 18:08, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you all read COM:Costume where it says, in part:

"...the Wikimedia Foundation issued the following statement...
...The 1991 policy decision on costumes and masks by the Copyright Office appears to still be in effect, and although it is only advisory, it is a good indication of where courts tend to fall on this issue. It says that masks are definitely copyrightable, and that costumes may be copyrightable in certain circumstances ..."

.     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 18:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So are you filing deletion requests for pretty much every photo in Category:Professional wrestlers from Mexico? Or just witchhunting me specifically? Because right now it certainly feels like that latter.
And also, your same argument can be applied to for example celebrities in makeup, pride walk costumes, gala events with dresses made by designers and so on. Estrellato (talk) 18:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
again, it is deminimis. modern_primat ඞඞඞ ----TALK 19:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Strong oppose Mask bearing is no argument for deletion. If enforced, such a decision would affect pretty much any cosplay photo on Commons.--Paracel63 (talk) 20:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Keep Masks like many other things may be copyrightable under certain circumstances, but IMO these DW are not a problem. Mexico has rather broad FOP for photos taken at public events. (If any example in Mexican law that a photo of a masked wrestler is a copyright violation of creator of the mask, I will change my vote.) -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 14:21, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Delete Although weakly. Masks are works of art like anything else. So there's not reason they can't or wouldn't be copyrighted. For instance there's plenty of super heroes, batman, the Flash, Etc. Etc. that are copyrighted characters despite just having basic masks and/or costumes and that's what these ultimately are. Characters created for the purposes of entertainment. Masks like the one in File:Hormiga luchador.jpg clearly aren't simple enough to be below the threshold of originality either. We certainly deleted images of much simpler characters. Including images of people cosplaying those characters. If I can't upload an image of Batman without it being deleted then there's no reason I should be able to upload an image of a wrestler without the same thing happening. --Adamant1 (talk) 12:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can't {{Costume}} be used here? // Kakan spelar (talk) 22:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kakan spelar: Honestly I'm not really sure how {{Costume}} works. We do delete images of people cosplaying or wearing costumes sometimes though depending on the situation. So {{Costume}} clearly isn't a free pass. If even something that is valid in most, or all, cases to begin with. But it's pretty clear from the conversation above this one that the uploader doesn't understand how derivatives work. So I think it's worth applying the precautionary principle anyway. Since the uploader obviously didn't factor that in when they uploaded the images. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose – We have an extensive history of including photographs of people wearing costumes, including masks. Suggesting that an image like "Mistico Segundo" above doesn't constitute de-minimis or similar exemptions would pull into question perhaps tens of thousands of files on Commons, including things as basic as wearing a T-shirt with a copyrighted design on it. This would at least require a broader discussion than this deletion discussion, I'm sure. ~Mable (chat) 09:45, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Maplestrip: Images of T-shirt's with copyrighted designs can already be deleted. Per Commons:Copyright rules by subject matter#clothing " The copyrightability of fashion varies by country. For example, in the United States, fashion is not copyrightable,[1] while in France it is. In any case, care must be taken not to infringe the copyright of any printed or woven design that may appear on the clothing's surface. So, for example, you cannot upload images of T-shirts or caps displaying a copyrighted cartoon character." So this is already an answered question that there's zero reason what-so-ever would need a broader discussion. Especially since the guideline specifically says fashion is copyrighted in France. There's no ambiguity about it. --Adamant1 (talk) 15:02, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Racing Bicycle

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Gallery page for a broad subject with only two images, that is way too few. JopkeB (talk) 14:40, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Peupleraie Castors.jpg

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No Commons:Freedom of panorama in France. EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour@EugeneZelenko. Ce fichier est une photographie d'un panneau d'information situé dans une rue proche de l'immeuble "Castor" dans l'espace public. Ce panneau a été financé par la Mairie de Fresnes sur de l'argent public et est bien destiné à une information de type encyclopédique sur la construction d'un immeuble "Castor"; ce qui est exceptionnel et intéressant pour l'historique de ce mouvement. Il apparait qu'il complète cet article de manière pertinente et que personne ne pourra demander des droits sur cette image destinée à être largement diffusée.̴̴̴̴ Cordialement. Arn (talk) 06:49, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Files in Category:Ateneo de Naga University Church

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There is no Freedom of Panorama in the Philippines. The building existed later than 2001 according to this website and CORPLAN 2010, published by the Ateneo de Naga University in 2001.

Raymondsiyluy05 (talk) 15:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Files in Category:Ateneo de Zamboanga University

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There is no Freedom of Panorama in the Philippines. The Bellarmine-Campion building was constructed in 1979, and the Junior High School building completed construction in 2006 according to this website. The Grade School Complex completed in 2015 according to this Facebook post. The Faustino W. Saavedra building completed construction in 2018 according to the Ateneo de Zamboanga University article.

Raymondsiyluy05 (talk) 17:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Ateneo de Naga University Press Logo.jpg

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Logo might be copyrightable. COM:TOO Philippines Raymondsiyluy05 (talk) 17:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Files uploaded by Icsee2022 (talk · contribs)

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Virtually the same photograph uploaded 5 times, without any further context. I suggest we keep one File:GCEK_GCE_Kannur_(1)_Kargil_Vijay_Diwas.jpg, and delete the others. I hope user will provide more information for all their uploads as to how this is in scope as it looks like a personal project at the moment.

-- Deadstar (msg) 17:47, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Files in Category:1969 People's Pictorial

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Image still copyrighted in USA due to COM:URAA. 1969+50>1996.

Wcam (talk) 18:14, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


File:Vivid BAD SQUAD logo.png

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Very clearly has an "artistic appearance" that goes beyond simple text and/or shapes, especially the first line with custom made grafitti-like text, as well as the paint-like border around the text. I think this logo would be copyrightable. Zxcvbnm (talk) 18:40, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Hubert Humphrey vice presidential portrait color02.png

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Status on copyright or trademark is unclear along with the image not being in the public domain HistorianL (talk) 19:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The website I got this image from *explicitly* cites the United State Secret Service as a source for the image. This clearly falls under "original work of the United States federal government", and is thus not subject to copyright law. Helloguyswhatisup (talk) 19:37, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Dayr-e Gachin2022-02-26 20.jpg

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Repetitive. {{User|POS78}} talk 19:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Potatoland Empire.jpg

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I want to delete it because it doesn’t exist anymore. Potatoland Empire (talk) 20:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nunca hubo. Deberíamos borrar a Vd también ya que no está aquí para contribuir de una manera positiva. 186.172.32.233 21:24, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Brasil - Area Code Evaluation.png

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Nonsense derivative work. 138.59.114.23 23:54, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Point of this picture is show how looks evaluacion on Brazilian area codes, it could be helpful in understand of changes. Nicdragon (talk) 22:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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