Wikidata:Property proposal/expansion

expansion

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

   Not done

Description	Expansions or DLC for software, mainly videogames
Represents	expansion pack (Q209163)
Data type	Item
Template parameter	|Expansión= or |DLC= in Ficha de videojuego infobox
Domain	videogames
Example 1	Mario Kart 8 (Q13427106)→"DLC 1"
Example 2	Giana Sisters: Twisted Dreams (Q3762768)→"Rise of the Owlverlord"
Example 3	Sonic Mania (Q25991770)→Sonic Mania Plus (Q50654688)
Planned use	Inmediately, for the given infobox
See also	mod of (P7075)

Motivación

Part of my infobox improvements. This property is intended for expansion packs for such software (mostly videogames), as well as DLC  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Amitie 10g (talk • contribs) at 21:34, 16 April 2019 (UTC).

Discussion

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•  Support David (talk) 06:28, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
•  Oppose I think the inverse property («expansion of») would be better. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 07:38, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
•  Comment Whether this is approved or not, it needs a different name - when I saw it on the proposal list I was very confused what it was about. "video game expansion" perhaps, or for the inverse, "expansion of video game"? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:17, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
• @Amitie 10g: would you consider updating the label per Arthur's suggestion? --- Jura 04:03, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

I've updated the label name. --Amitie 10g (talk) 04:08, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

I think the English name should probably be 'expansion for video game' rather than 'of', and make sure 'expansion' is singular. Nicereddy (talk) 20:30, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Amitie 10g, I see you've updated the name, but I think the property should be like "DLC 1""expansion of videogame"Mario Kart 8 (Q13427106). Maybe it would be more difficult using it on infoboxes, but data is better organized. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 03:51, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

•  Support --Trade (talk) 15:35, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Support Misc (talk) 23:31, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Question Is this intended to be limited to video games or not? --Yair rand (talk) 03:13, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
  • As the proporsal says, it is only for videogames software. --Amitie 10g (talk) 21:49, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Support Cwf97 (talk) 15:07, 22 June 2019 (EST)
•  Support With the new name change John Samuel (talk) 09:42, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Informatics has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 13:48, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

•  Oppose this should be made more general to also allow other types of software. Also I agree with Tinker Bell that the inverse would make more sense. We then could also use it for example for Browser Extensions. -- MichaelSchoenitzer (talk) 21:07, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

•  Comment I cannot imagine how this could work with software? --Trade (talk) 14:56, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

  For example Lightbeam (software) (Q1109973)<expansion of>Firefox (Q698). Jean-Fred (talk) 06:18, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

•  Comment It seems to me that the inverse property makes more sense ; and it seems to already exist as depends on software (P1547) − or at least is used that way in the wild eg StarCraft: Insurrection (Q3496925)depends on software (P1547)StarCraft (Q165929)). Jean-Fred (talk) 06:18, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
•  Question @Amitie 10g: Will you substitute software extension (Q1663795) for expansion pack (Q209163) as suggested by MichaelSchoenitzer? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:12, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
  • It would be a better idea. Amitie 10g (talk) 20:20, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
•  Oppose Use depends on software (P1547) if the base game/software is required as a pre-requisite for the expansion software to function. Use based on (P144) and/or part of the series (P179) (item which is instance of (P31) video game series (Q7058673)) regardless of whether the base game/software is required. An example such as Age of Empires II HD: The African Kingdoms (Q21059471) shows how video game expansions have been modelled with Wikidata so far. Dhx1 (talk) 15:16, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

•  Oppose per above. 轻语者 (talk) 07:48, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
•  Question I also think that the inverse property makes more sense. I've an example of query here that can be used to retrieve information from an inverse property. Beside that, do you have use cases where you need to express that something is a Downloadable content for a given game that could not be expressed with more generic terms? In that case, could the "content" meet the notability criteria and/or be useful to describe, while not being an add-on or extension? In that case could depends on software (P1547) work for you? GNUtoo (talk) 01:36, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
•  Comment I would argue that depends on software (P1547) captures a very different and weaker relationship between software packages that may not necessary be a logical expansion as expressed here. Take for example the popular pandas (Q15967387) package which depends on numerous other software (see here https://packages.debian.org/buster/python-pandas for debian dependency list) such as NumPy (Q197520). Note that this means that pandas needs numpy to work properly but it is clearly a distinct entity and not an expansion of numpy. What is proposed here is a much closer association, more like a logical continuation of the same software package that adds more functions (levels, functionality, browser extensions) to existing software. I would therefore argue against using depends on software (P1547) to model this type of relation. Basically *expansion* implies depends on software (P1547) but not the other way around. --Hannes Röst (talk) 02:28, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
• PS: I also agree that the inverse property makes more sense. --Hannes Röst (talk) 02:30, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

 Support but only for the inverse property. Thanks for pointing out the issues with (ab)using depends on software (P1547). An extension (like a supertuxkart map or an extra game mode) can have (extra) dependencies (on specific libraries like fribidi) indeed. With the inverse property we probably want to define it better to understand precisely what is an extension / DLC and what is not, and which type of software it applies to (all?) but that can be done later anyway (once the property is created). GNUtoo (talk) 20:21, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

•  Comment I have rebooted this property proposal at Wikidata:Property proposal/expansion of, as the inverse property of what was proposed here (following several comments above) and with an expanded scope for other type of expansions. Jean-Fred (talk) 09:45, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
•  Not done, see Wikidata:Property proposal/expansion of. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 00:27, 25 September 2020 (UTC)