Wikidata:Property proposal/adoption variant
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Adoption variant
[edit]Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes
Not done
Description | variant of this loanword with the same origin |
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Represents | adoption variant (Q116192653) |
Data type | Lexeme |
Domain | lexeme, loanwords |
Example 1 | カプッチーノ (L1163458)adoption variantカプチーノ (L691407) ↔ カプチーノ (L691407)adoption variantカプッチーノ (L1163458) (cappuccino (L618738)) |
Example 2 | ホチキス (L1159135)adoption variantホッチキス (L943113) ↔ ホッチキス (L943113)adoption variantホチキス (L1159135) (Hotchkiss (L943117)) |
Example 3 | リュックサック (L1163487)adoption variantルックザック (L1163486) ↔ ルックザック (L1163486)adoption variantリュックサック (L1163487) (Rucksack (L826807)) |
Expected completeness | eventually complete (Q21873974) |
See also | homograph lexeme (P5402), said to be the same as lexeme (P11577), alternative form (P8530) |
Constraints
- all statement should be symetric
- derived from lexeme (P5191) should be present on all lexemes with this property
Motivation
I observed this relation between loanwords only in japanese but i'm sure it exists in other languages as well.
Example: cappuccino (L618738) has be adopted to japanese with slight variations:
- カプッチーノ (L1163458) / kaputchīno
- カプチーノ (L691407) / kap(u)chīno
All the words I have found share exacly the same meaning but I suppose they don't have to 🤷
Discussion
If you have non-japanese examples, feel free to add them –Shisma (talk) 13:28, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
- We should avoid creating properties where every entity in a group has to be linked to every other entity in a group. It's not clear to me from the description what the property is supposed to mean, but from the examples you've given, it seems like you want to say they are transcriptions of the same word, in which case, I think that can already be represented by using a mode of derivation (P5886) qualifier on the derived from lexeme (P5191) statements (although I'm not sure what the best value for the qualifier would be). - Nikki (talk) 13:59, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose based on my previous comment. - Nikki (talk) 17:07, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Not done - not created per lack of support. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 11:14, 20 January 2024 (UTC)