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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangsta%27s_Paradise_(album) https://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/coolio/gangstas-paradise/

Any idea why the number of tracks are so different?

one is an album, the other is a single?

Q130359520 Did i do it correctly? Havent made a album release item in a long time

pretty much 👍I fixed a few minor details but nothing major.

https://musicbrainz.org/recording/d7691306-4174-4430-be9e-356d83e4710d

"other vocals [scream]:"

Any idea how to model this specific role? I tried to do so on Q130457949

You could perhaps have found a way to re-use the existing screaming instead of creating a new item just for this one band, but that's nit picking. Looks okay to me 👍

Offizielle Deutsche Charts song ID (P8524)

Am i wrong in assuming this identifier is actually about music tracks and not single releases?

Clicking on the first example it looks to be about a single.

Nothing is supposed to be p31 = song by the way. It's either a single, a track, or a work(composition).

EDIT: After looking a little closer, it does indeed seem similar to the Swiss Hitparade - the developers are apparently not making a clear distinction between track and single. Not good :(

Where do you see the website listing tracks?

click on any album and look at a track that wasn't released as a single.

It looks like the website does not actually use the word song (or lied), but rather "Titel" (title) with a release type "single"?

"Nothing is supposed to be p31 = song by the way." We might ought to stop using "song" in the name of identifiers not meant to be used for songs

We can't really control what third parties choose to do, i.e. Allmusic use "song" for tracks and "album" for singles 🤷‍♂️

Wikidata is not a third party

You mean re-naming <Third party song ID> to "third party track ID" on our side to better fit our model? I see your point, but I'm personally not a fan, I would rather use Property:P2559 to document things like that.

Any idea how to bring attention to the music identifier proposals now that ping wont work?

I noted your changes to BABYMETAL DEATH" (Q130457949). Shouldnt there be a constraint if we are not supposed to use composer (P86) or lyricist (P676) on tracks?

if it's a common mistake that people make, then sure. composer/lyricist credits belong on the work/composition item.

I asked about constraints

Anyways how would you feel about the creation of an "unofficial title" property? I wanted to make items for the songs in The Sims series but unfortunately a lot of the songs never got any streaming release (and therefore no official title)

The only title these songs have comes from fan uploads on YT

In that case, why not use the "nickname" property? That's what we use for things like "The Black Album" where fans have given nicknames to otherwise eponymous albums in order to tell them apart.

As a bonus, there's also P1638 (working title) for project names.

How do i model the different purposes that the tracks were created for? "Dance Hauled" is part of the "Hip Hop" radio station, "Sim Builder" plays during "Build" mode, "The Sims 2 theme" plays while in the Neighborhood screen. Needless to say i dont need to explain when the tracks "The Sims 2 Loading Screen" and "Credits" play.

Then there are albums like "Spooky's Jump Scare Mansion - OST" where different tracks plays during different game overs or enemy chases. And "WORLD OF HORROR Soundtrack" where different tracks are assigned to different locations and one of two different modes (Combat/Investigation)

Do we need a new property for this modeling?

Maybe it's better to ask Project Video games about that? I'm usually happy if I can tie a composition to the main work it was created for, and a soundtrack release to the game or film, it feels too far out of my wheelhouse to atomically model "cue used in first part of second scene for Movie NN".

Alr. Will "has quality" be the best placeholder property? Or should i just use "object/subject has role" instead?

Rough draft for now

• Q130524650
• Q130524678

Tho you already made Q108224320 so this type of granularity doesn't look entirely like unfamiliar territory for you

Don't see what that has to do with what you're trying to achieve, Q108224320 is an attempt to capture how genres and instrumentation used to be printed onto the decals of records back in the 78RPM shellac days.

I think has quality/characteristic is a good placeholder, it will make it easier to query and easier to spot when/if dedicated critical mass is reached and dedicated modelling worth exploring 👍

Question about musicbrainz: Are singles and remix singles (both with 1 track each) supposed to share the same release group?

It's a judgment call by MusicBrainz editors I think. If they're released years apart, maybe by different labels, it might be natural to have two different release groups. If it's a "regular" single and a remix single as part of the same release cycle then it might be more natural to group them. There might also be a written policy somewhere on the Musicbrainz site that I'm not aware of, so don't take my word for it.

What should we do about Rate Your Music release ID (P8392)? I have noticed several times where the site created singles for songs that never received any single releases. Same thing for video game soundtrack releases

I was thinking of a rule where releases from RYM have to be supported by secondary sources from other sites but i dont know if the Wikiproject would be willing to that

If you post some examples on the P8392 talk page I can ask around.

Oh, the talk page. Didn't read that. Done now

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/unauth/%E9%88%B4%E6%9C%A8%E6%85%B6%E4%B8%80-%E7%94%B0%E4%B8%AD%E5%AE%8F%E5%92%8C/mother2-%E3%82%AE%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B0%E3%81%AE%E9%80%86%E8%A5%B2-earthbound/ (track names comes from the YT video and seems to be nicknames) (album item have since been deleted from WD) (the fact that the supposed album cover is just the cover for the game doesnt help) (same applies to release date)

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/doja-cat/4-morant-better-luck-next-time/) Q130305423 (This is a SoundCloud-only song. Not a release)

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/lemon-demon/the-ultimate-showdown-of-ultimate-destiny/

Cannot find any evidence for this single release. The only identifier attached is a YT video which shows the cover of a compilation album

Looking at Q130332572 . I don't understand: if you don't think it's a legitimate single, why did you create it in the first place? It does not feel like a good use of anyone's time to be inventing problems by deliberatly creating edge cases when we have so much to do with what is already in WD.

I didn't realize that RYM were making false entries until yesterday and i could not find any guidelines on what to do since there doesnt appear to be any way to tag identifiers for such issues

Something else, do you think there is any thing such as a "literary work soundtrack"? I found a componist who released a soundtrack album for one of this novels

never heard that term, sounds like a bit of a stretch to me? If they insist it's a soundtrack, and not a companion cd or playlist, then I would just call it a "soundtrack album" and reference the source where that claim was made I think.

Alr. Examples now posted on the talk page of P8392

Wikidata:WikiProject_Music#Track_Identifiers

If you ever got time you might wanna take a look to ensure that all identifiers listed here are actually supposed to be used for tracks. I am feeling in doubht about the inclusion of Bait La Zemer Ha-Ivri song ID, Les Enfoirés song ID (archived), Pizmonet ID, Tab4u artist ID, Todotango.com work ID and Zemereshet song ID