The Technical Condition Management Systems
The Technical Condition Management Systems
The Technical Condition Management Systems
GENERATORS:
measurements included to
the technical condition
management systems
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CONTENT:
1. THRUST BEARING / OIL FILM THICKNESS
2. ROTOR VERTICAL POSITION
3. ROTOR RADIAL POSITION and DYNAMICS (XY)
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4. MONITORING OF SEAL RINGS
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5. HYDRO GAP ( BLADE TIP–to-CHAMBER GAP )
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6. AIR GAP ( GENERATOR ROTOR – STATOR )
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7. SEISMIC MEASUREMENTS of mech. components
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8. GENERATOR: FRAME (or CASE) VIBRATIONS (& POS.)
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9. GENERATOR: CORE VIBRATIONS
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10. GENERATOR: BAR VIBRATIONS
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11. GENERATOR: END-WINDING VIBRATIONS
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12. TEMPERATURE: BEARINGS
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13. TEMPERATURE: STATOR and COOLING AIR
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14. TEMPERATURE: ROTOR POLES
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15. PARTIAL DISCHARGES
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16. AIR GAP MAGNETIC FLUX
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17. CAVITATIONS
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18. WATER PRESSURE (STATIC & DYNAMIC)
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21. Creep Detection
22. Sole Plate Monitoring
23. Rotor Current Brush Monitoring
24. Process Variables (& Symptoms)
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POSITION MEASUREMENTS: Thrust Bearing Position
Comments:
131. If #111:
1. Number of used transducers: 1...4
152. For #112
2. Rotor vertical movement in a failure condition of the
thrust bearing determines requested range of used
transducers.
3. Transducers fixed to rigid points control rotor collar
position.
4. If more than 1 transducer used fix them evenly
distributed around
132. If #112:
1. Transducers fixed to several bearing segments (e.g.
3)
2. Transducer fixed from side of the trailing edge. Es
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POSITION MEASUREMENTS: Rotor Vertical Position
Comments:
Comments:
331. Number of radial measurements is usually equal to 352. ABSOLUTE rotor radial measurements
number of bearings in the case of the UNDER CRITICAL
unit
332. For the OVER – CRITICAL units one additional plane of
XY-measurements should be used (the best in the
middle between GENERATOR and TURBINE bearing.
333. Operation range of a chosen transducer type should be
wider than than RADIAL rotor movements in same
bearing (or its support) failure conditions
334. Keyphasor signal is additionally requested for these
measurements
335. It can be a problem to provide measurements as shown
#352 for TURBINE BEARING because of much bigger
construction diameters than for GENERATOR BEARING Es
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POSITION and MECHANICAL VIBRATIONRotor Radial Position and Dynamics
MEASUREMENTS:
Comments to
measurements:
mcdxi. The monitoring dynamic channels of the
3500/46 can provide various signal estimations.
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It needs to be
checked:
mcdxxi.What signal estimations are requested by
end user ?
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MECHANICAL MEASUREMENTS { conditional Monitoring of Seal Rings
}:
A goal of the Suggested transducer
measurement: 441. 3300XL 11mm UNDERWATER PROBES P/N
411. To check the seal rings operation conditions.
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442. Before has been used 3300XL 11m with the
underwater MOD 147350. It provides longer
cable (14m or 17m) Area of transducer
Questions: installation
421. What is nominal clearance of the seal rings
422. What is the clearance in the worst failure
conditions of the rings?
Comments:
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POSITION and SHAPE MEASUREMENTS: AIR GAP - STATOR SENSORS
Comments:
An example of
installation
654. (STATOR &) ROTOR AIR GAP SENSORS
Questions:
625. .
Comments:
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SEISMIC VIBRATION MEASUREMENTS:Bearing Housing and Crest Vibrations
A goal of the Suggested transducers
measurements:
711. Monitoring of the construction dynamics. 741. LFT P/N 330505
742. Velomitor CT
Questions: 743. VELOMITOR CT with the low frequency MOD
if exists
721. What is nominal RPM ? (MOD #.....................)
722. For retrofitted units: what are the standard
points of the seismic vibration checking. Example of
installation
Comments:
731. A number of seismic measurements is usually correlated
with:
1. POWER of the unit (positive correlation)
2. RELIABILITY of the unit (negative correlation)
732. The applicable transducers should measure vibration
starting from ~20% of the nominal RPM
733. If it is NOT possible to follow the above rule (what can
happen for very low RPM) – let use what is the best from
a view point of transducer sensitivity and its frequency
operation band.
734. The transducers can be used for vibration
measurements of RADIAL and VERTICAL (=AXIAL)
vibrations
735. For radial transducers: Keep transducer orientation
parallel to the orientation of the RELATIVE VIBRATION
MEASUREMENT TRANSDUCERS
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VIBRATION MEASUREMENTS / GENERATOR
Frame Vibrations (or: Case Vibrations)
[1/2]:
A goal of the Suggested transducers
measurements: 841. Low-frequency accelerometer
811. To check the frame (segment) dynamics.
Vibrations are measured between: 842. Velocity transducer
1. the frame and the sole plate 843. (Eddy Current Transducers relative
2. segments. measurements between segments)
Questions:
Area of a possible installation of the
821. How many segments transducers
the STATOR has ?
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835. Keyphasor signal can be helpful for some data
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VIBRATION MEASUREMENTS / GENERATOR
Frame POSITION (or: Case POSITION)
[2/2]:
A goal of the Suggested transducers
measurements: 845. LVDT
815. To check the static frame deformation
846. Eddy Current Transducer (e.g. 25mm)
Questions:
Area of a possible installation of the
825. ... transducers
Comments:
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VIBRATION MEASUREMENTS / GENERATOR: Core Vibrations
Questions:
Area of a possible transducer
installation
Comments:
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VIBRATION MEASUREMENTS / GENERATOR: Bar Vibrations
Questions:
An example of installation
1021.Generator design details (because can be
requested various transducer installation: on-
wedge, bridge-mount or in-slot)
Comments:
Comments:
Comments:
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Biegun
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TEMPERATURE MEASUREMENTS: Temperature Monitoring of Rotor Poles
Comments:
Questions:
Examples of EM FLUX
1621.What is magnetic field (in TESLA) for normal installation + dimensions
and failure generator conditions [mm] of the suggested
1622...... transducer
ROTOR STATOR
Comments:
Comments:
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HYDRO-GENERATOR TURBINE: Static and Dynamic Water Pressure Monitoring
A goal of the Suggested transducers
measurements: 1841.Various HOTTINGER tensometric transducers
1811.For some regime of operations rotor movement
strongly depends on water excitations. depends on application restrictions.
Therefore it is well to know some characteristics 1842.(?) BN PRESSURE TRANSDUCER P/N 165855
of the water flow.
1812.Static pressure is one of many process
variables captured by DCS. Dynamic pressure
can not be effectively*) measured by DCS. It can An example of transducer
be done in an useful shape only by a monitoring localizations for a small
system with dynamic signal capture capabilities FRANCIS HG
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„EFFECTIVELY” – it means that the measurements are useful for
DIAGNOSTIC SYSTEM. DCS can take measurements of dynamic pressure
based on TRANSMITTER MEASUREMENTS. DIAGNOSTIC SYSTEM needs
similar level of DYNAMIC PRESSURE SIGNAL PROCESSING as provided for
other VIBRATION MEASUREMENTS (mechanical and electrical)
Questions:
1821.What is hydrostatic pressure in potential points
of the measurements.
1822.What are design constrains to fix dynamic
(better: static and dynamic) water pressure
transducers?
Comments: 165855
Cylinder
1831.For various turbines need to be provided Pressure
various number of measurements ( usually: Transducer
3....10)
1832.Keyphasor signal can be helpful for some types Es
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WICKET GATE POSITION .
Questions:
Examples of installation
1921....
Comments:
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KEYPHASOR: .
Questions:
Examples of installation
2021....
Comments:
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CREEP DETECTION: .
Questions:
Examples of installation
2121....
Comments:
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SOLE PLATE MONITORING: .
Questions:
Examples of installation
2221....
Comments:
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ROTOR CURRENT BRUSH MONITORING: .
Questions:
Examples of installation
2321....
Comments:
2331..
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PROCESS VARIABLES (and SYMPTOMS): .
Questions:
Examples of installation
4121....
Comments:
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COUPLINGS in hydro plants
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GENERATOR TURBINE
PENSTOCK
TAILWATER
EXAMPLES
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CONTENT:
1. THRUST BEARING / OIL FILM THICKNESS
2. ROTOR VERTICAL POSITION
3. ROTOR RADIAL POSITION and DYNAMICS (XY)
4. MONITORING OF SEAL RINGS
5. HYDRO GAP ( BLADE TIP–to-CHAMBER GAP )
6. AIR GAP ( GENERATOR ROTOR – STATOR )
7. SEISMIC MEASUREMENTS of mech. components
8. GENERATOR: FRAME (or CASE) VIBRATIONS (& POS.)
9. GENERATOR: CORE VIBRATIONS
10. GENERATOR: BAR VIBRATIONS
11. GENERATOR: END-WINDING VIBRATIONS
12. TEMPERATURE: BEARINGS
13. TEMPERATURE: STATOR and COOLING AIR
14. TEMPERATURE: ROTOR POLES
15. PARTIAL DISCHARGES
16. AIR GAP MAGNETIC FLUX
17. CAVITATIONS
18. WATER PRESSURE (STATIC & DYNAMIC)
19. WICKET GATE POSITION
20. Keyphasor
21. Creep Detection
22. Sole Plate Monitoring
23. Rotor Current Brush Monitoring
24. Process Variables (& Symptoms)
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Needs of IMPROVEMENT:
1. THRUST BEARING / OIL FILM THICKNESS
2. ROTOR VERTICAL POSITION
3. ROTOR RADIAL POSITION and DYNAMICS (XY)
4. MONITORING OF SEAL RINGS
5. HYDRO GAP ( BLADE TIP–to-CHAMBER GAP )
6. AIR GAP ( GENERATOR ROTOR – STATOR )
7. SEISMIC MEASUREMENTS of mech. components
8. GENERATOR: FRAME (or CASE) VIBRATIONS (& POS.)
9. GENERATOR: CORE VIBRATIONS
10. GENERATOR: BAR VIBRATIONS
11. GENERATOR: END-WINDING VIBRATIONS
12. TEMPERATURE: BEARINGS
13. TEMPERATURE: STATOR and COOLING AIR
14. TEMPERATURE: ROTOR POLES
15. PARTIAL DISCHARGES
16. AIR GAP MAGNETIC FLUX
17. CAVITATIONS
18. WATER PRESSURE (STATIC & DYNAMIC)
19. WICKET GATE POSITION
20. Keyphasor
21. Creep Detection
22. Sole Plate Monitoring
23. Rotor Current Brush Monitoring
24. Process Variables (& Symptoms)
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Important for TURBO-GENERATORS:
1. THRUST BEARING / OIL FILM THICKNESS
2. ROTOR VERTICAL POSITION
3. ROTOR RADIAL POSITION and DYNAMICS (XY)
4. MONITORING OF SEAL RINGS
5. HYDRO GAP ( BLADE TIP–to-CHAMBER GAP )
6. AIR GAP ( GENERATOR ROTOR – STATOR )
7. SEISMIC MEASUREMENTS of mech. components
8. GENERATOR: FRAME (or CASE) VIBRATIONS (& POS.)
9. GENERATOR: CORE VIBRATIONS
10. GENERATOR: BAR VIBRATIONS
11. GENERATOR: END-WINDING VIBRATIONS
12. TEMPERATURE: BEARINGS
13. TEMPERATURE: STATOR and COOLING AIR
14. TEMPERATURE: ROTOR POLES
15. PARTIAL DISCHARGES
16. AIR GAP MAGNETIC FLUX
17. CAVITATIONS
18. WATER PRESSURE (STATIC & DYNAMIC)
19. WICKET GATE POSITION
20. Keyphasor
21. Creep Detection
22. Sole Plate Monitoring
23. Rotor Current Brush Monitoring
24. Process Variables (& Symptoms)
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Some stations already ask
about:
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THRUST BEARING / OIL FILM THICKNESS
ROTOR VERTICAL POSITION
3. ROTOR RADIAL POSITION and DYNAMICS (XY)
4. MONITORING OF SEAL RINGS
5. HYDRO GAP ( BLADE TIP–to-CHAMBER GAP )
6. AIR GAP ( GENERATOR ROTOR – STATOR )
7. SEISMIC MEASUREMENTS of mech. components
8. GENERATOR: FRAME (or CASE) VIBRATIONS (& POS.)
9. GENERATOR: CORE VIBRATIONS
10. GENERATOR: BAR VIBRATIONS
11. GENERATOR: END-WINDING VIBRATIONS
12. TEMPERATURE: BEARINGS
13. TEMPERATURE: STATOR and COOLING AIR
14. TEMPERATURE: ROTOR POLES
15. PARTIAL DISCHARGES
16. AIR GAP MAGNETIC FLUX
17. CAVITATIONS
18. WATER PRESSURE (STATIC & DYNAMIC)
19. WICKET GATE POSITION
20. Keyphasor
21. Creep Detection
22. Sole Plate Monitoring
23. Rotor Current Brush Monitoring
24. Process Variables (& Symptoms) HG PERFORMANCE
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turbines)
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