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r/GraphicsProgramming
by baption0 1 yr. ago
Getting started with graphics
programming on a mac?
To start, I am not new to programming. I have a
background in C/C++, and I want to dabble with graphics
programming because why not.
I've been trying to get into graphics programming for a
couple of days, but I've run into a roadblock. OpenGL is
deprecated on apple, so getting stuff to compile in C++
has been a pain in the ass. On the other hand, Xcode w/
metal works first try but I'm finding it an entire task and a
half to catch up with swift/objective c/their entire dev
model with minimal help online (I'm still stuck on getting a
spinning colored cube).
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I'm more
considering ditching Metal and taking a second shot at
OpenGL. If there is some obscure blog post to get opengl
to compile
19 or some godsend
33 metalShare
tutorial, I haven't found
it yet. I would appreciate any help, or direction on which
path to trudge through.
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Edit: Thank you to everyone who replied. I decided to move
forward with webgl because starting projects and
experimenting is unparalleled in JS. I think the abstractions
are fine because most of Add
theabattle
Commentis with buffers and
vertices anyways, so it's just as good a place to start as
any. Also, the ability to share what I make easily is a big
plonkmaster_jones • 1 yr. ago
plus.
You could always try WebGL (which is a subset of
OpenGL) and run things in the browser. I'm sure
Apple hasn't deprecated support for WebGL
because a great deal of the graphical web still runs
on it. If they have, I'm not sure how to help!
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ephimetheus • 1 yr. ago
OpenGL is deprecated but still works on the latest
OS releases, and they even implemented in the
new Apple Silicon chips. For now I’ve been sticking
to OpenGL
I haven’t encountered problems compiling and
running C++ OpenGL code with glad or glbinding
on top of GLFW. I didn’t have to write any objective
c or swift code so far.
I think if you use cmake it should be relatively
straightforward.
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PurpleSamurai0 • 1 yr. ago
I’m using OpenGL 3.3, and it’s working just fine -
great performance on MacOS. Note: to link with
OpenGL, use ‘-framework OpenGL’ with gcc or
clang.
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charboola • 1 yr. ago
You can do c++ with a mix of objective-c. just the
api calls and api types would be in objective-c.
Here's an example:
https://github.com/ConfettiFX/The-
Forge/blob/master/Common_3/Renderer/Metal/Met
alRenderer.mm
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the_Demongod • 1 yr. ago
It's convoluted, but you could use MoltenVk
(Vulkan implemented on top of Metal) together
with Zink (OpenGL implemented on top of Vulkan).
I've never tried it before, but in theory it should
allow you to use modern OpenGL on a mac. Not
sure what sort of performance or other issues will
be introduced, but I'd say it's worth a shot.
Edit: darn, unfortunately MoltenVk only goes to GL
2.1, so never mind. My next recommendation would
be to buy a cheap linux machine :)
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Hindrik1997 • 1 yr. ago
Try swift with metal. It’s a breeze in my experience.
Of all the modern API’s metal is by far the easiest
to work with.
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nibbertit • 1 yr. ago
I'm using the same opengl project on both win and
Mac and it's working great
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Slackluster • 1 yr. ago
I'd recommend JavaScript. Seriously, I also come
from 20 years of C++ programming and I love it.
You can use Three.js to easily do 3D stuff at a
reasonably low level.
Also, the vanilla javascript webgl interface is pretty
easy to work with.
You can render a shader with less javascript code
then this comment.
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wrosecrans • 1 yr. ago
OpenGL is deprecated on apple, so getting
stuff to compile in C++ has been a pain in
the ass.
FWIW, the deprecation of OpenGL didn't actually
change anything, or make it harder to compile C++
code. The latest OpenGL features aren't available,
but you'll need to deal with Mac platform specifics
when dealing with any kind of C++ regardless of
graphics API.
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sort_of_sleepy • 1 yr. ago
Like others suggested, WebGL is probably the way
to go if you're just looking to dabble as there's
almost no setup needed other than downloading a
browser.
That said as it's almost ready for use on all
platforms, I might take this chance to learn the
WebGPU api instead; while the web is a main
focus, there is also concurrent development going
on for desktop with Dawn and wgpu. The
disadvantage I would say is that you'll have to
learn a new shader language but honestly, it's just
a really verbose; if you're comfortable with C/C++
you should get used to it fairly quickly.
Some other thoughts:
- If you're having trouble getting OpenGL stuff to
compile, while I have not checked on Monterey,
things like openFrameworks and Cinder still
compile fine on Mac last I looked. Granted you're
still limited to certain OpenGL versions but that's
at least something to try to get started.
- If you ever decide to give Metal another try,
assuming Objective-C hasn't died since I last tried
to work on a Mac, you can definitely write a
majority of your app with C++ if you really wanted
to.
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