Force

3-Component Measuring System Type 9129A...

For cutting force measurement during turning

Modular system for measurement of cutting forces when turn-

ing outside and inside diameters on turret lathes.

• Machine adapters for disk-type turrets with:

– VDI tool holding fixtures ø30 mm, ø40 mm, ø50 mm
– Coromant Capto C5, C6 clamping unit
– Direct tool holding fixtures 20x40 mm, 25x50 mm,
¾"x1½", 1"x2"
• Tool holders for external turning tools:
20x20 mm, 25x25 mm, ¾"x¾", 1"x1"
• Tool holders for internal turning tools:
ø25 mm, ø32 mm, ø40 mm
• For cutting forces up to 8 kN
• Minimal temperature error

Description
The dynamometer consists of four 3-component force sensors
which are mounted under high preload between the cover
plate and the two lateral base plates.
Due to the special mounting of the sensors, a minimal tem-
perature error is achieved. The forces are measured with prac-
tically no displacement. The outputs of the four integral force
sensors are passed to the 9-way flange socket.
The four sensors are mounted with ground isolation. This Technical data
largely avoids ground loop problems. Max. permitted measuring Fx, Fz kN –5 ... 5
The dynamometer is corrosion-resistant and protected against range (Type 9129AA mounted Fy, kN –8 ... 8
the penetration of coolant. Used together with connecting with adapter Type 9129AB50
cables Type 1687B.../Type 1689B..., the dynamometer is pro- or 9129AC6 or 9129AD25 or
tected to IP67. tool adapter Type 9129AE25,
L = 35 mm)
Permitted measuring ranges Fx, Fy, Fz see
(Type 9129AA mounted with Fig. 1
remaining adapters)
Calibrated measuring range Fx, Fz kN 0 ... 5
Fy kN 0 ... 8
Calibrated partial meas. range Fx, Fz kN 0 ... 0,5
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Fy kN 0 ... 0,8

Dynamometer Type 9129AA is calibrated with mounted machine

adapter Type 9129AB50, tool holder Type 9129AE25 and
dummy tool with 35 mm overhang.

Fig. 1: Dynamometer Type 9129AA with machine adapter Type

9129AB40 (left) and Type 9129AD25 (right) and tool holder
Type 9129AE25
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Further technical data Application

Overload Fx, Fy, Fz % 20 • Measurement of the three cutting forces Fc, Ff, Fp while turn-
Threshold N <0,01 ing outside and inside diameters on lathes with turret-type
Sensitivity (nominal) Fx pC/N ≈–8 tool heads.
Fy pC/N ≈–4,1 • Type 9129AA dynamometer alone is also suitable as a mul-
Fz pC/N ≈–8 ticomponent force measuring device for general force meas-
Sensitivity deviation Fx, Fy, Fz % ≤±1 urements. It can be separately mounted without accessories
dependent on the directly on a flat base plate (table). (See data sheet for Type
machine adapter 9129AA 9129AA_000-709)
Linearity, all ranges Fx, Fy, Fz ±%FSO ≤±0,3
Hysteresis, all ranges Fx, Fy, Fz %FSO ≤0,3
Crosstalk Fz → Fx, Fy % ≤±3
Fx ↔ Fy % ≤±3
Fx, Fy → Fz % ≤±3
Natural frequency * fn(x) kHz ≈1,5
fn(y) kHz ≈1,5
fn(z) kHz ≈2,5
Operating temperature range °C 0 ... 70
Capacitance Fx, Fy, Fz pF ≈180
Insulation resistance Ω >1013
Ground isolation Ω >108
Protection class EN60529 IP67
Weight Dynamometer kg 3,2
Cover plate kg 2,0 Fig. 2: Max. measuring ranges of Type 9129A... measuring system
Mounting surface mm 90x105 for different machine adapters depending on the tool over-
Connection Fischer flange hang (all forces can occur simultaneously)
9-pole neg.

* Type 9129AA with mounted machine adapter Type 9129AB40, Mounting

tool holder Type 9129AE25, less dummy tool. The dynamometer is mounted on the tool holding fixture of
the disk-type turret using a machine adapter. Machine adapt-
ers for current tool holding fixture systems are offered as ac-
cessories. The tool adapter mounted on the mounting plate of
the dynamometer accepts the desired lathe tool. Tool adapt-
ers for current sizes of external and internal turning tools are
available. On inclined bed machines with two turret disks, the
measuring system can be mounted above as well as below the
workpiece. The measuring system components are designed
so that the position of the cutting angle always lies at the
height of the axis of rotation (workpiece center) regardless of
the mounting orientation.
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Typical design variants

Example 1 Example 2
Axially mounted dynamometer for turning the outside dia- Axially mounted dynamometer for turning the outside diam-
meter with machine adapter Type 9129AB... (VDI tool holding eter with machine adapter Type 9129AD... (direct tool holding
fixture) and tool holder Type 9129AE... . fixture) and tool holder Type 9129AE... .

Example 3 Example 4
Radially mounted dynamometer for turning the inside diameter Radially mounted dynamometer for turning the inside diam-
with machine adapter Type 9129AB... (VDI tool holding fixture) eter with special intermediate plate adapted to the interface
and tool holder for Type 9129AF40 boring bars. of the turret disk (by the customer) and tool holder for Type
9129AF40 boring bars.

Example 5
As example 1 but with additional swarf shield mounted.
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Dimensions

Fig. 3: Multicomponent dynamometer –10 ... 10 kN,

cover plate 90x105 mm, Type 9129AA

Pin allocation
Pin No. Output signals
1 Ground
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2 Fx
3 –
4 Fy
5 –
6 Fz
7 –
8 –
9 –

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Fig. 4: Machine adapter with straight shank for disk-type turret with
Type A B C Weight
VDI tool holding fixture Type 9129AB...
[mm] [mm] [g]
9129AB30 VDI 30 67 55 ≈3 460
9129AB40 VDI 40 82 63 ≈3 870
9129AB50 VDI 50 97 78 ≈4 400
A
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Fig. 5: Machine adapter with Capto C... for disk-type turret with
Type Capto A B C Weight
Coromant Capto clamping unit, Type 9129AC...
Type [mm] [mm] [mm] [g]
9129AC5 C5 50 44 74 ≈3 460
9129AC6 C6 63 44 82 ≈3 808
9129AC8 C8 80 65 113 ≈5 200

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Fig. 6: Machine adapter with clamping wedge for disk-type turrets

Type A B C Weight
with direct tool holding fixture, Type 9129AD...
[mm] [mm] [mm] [g]
9129AD20 20 40 18,8 ≈3 660
9129AD25 25 50 24,8 ≈3 960
9129AD0,75 ¾" 1½" 18,8 ≈3 635
9129AD1 1" 2" 24,8 ≈3 970
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Fig. 7: Tool holder for lathe chisel for axially mounted dynamometer,
Type A B C Weight
Type 9129AE...
[mm] [mm] [mm] [g]
9129AE20 20 25 SW 3 ≈430
9129AE25 25 30 SW 4 ≈490
9129AE0,75 ¾" (19,05) 24,05 SW 3 ≈455
9129AE1 1" (25,4) 30,4 SW 4 ≈490

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Fig. 8: Tool holder suitable for Sandvik Coroturn SL with 40 mm diameter, Type 9129AG40
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øA Reducing Item Weight Weight

[mm] bushing No. bushing [g] [g]
40 none – 0 ≈630
Fig. 9: Tool holder for boring bars up to ø40 mm for radially 32 ø40/32 3.710.191 122 ≈755
mounted dynamometer with reducing bushings ø40/32 mm,
25 ø40/25 3.710.192 205 ≈840
ø40/25 mm, Type 9129AF40

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Processing the measurement signals Data acquisition and analysis

Charge amplifier channels are also needed to build a complete Kistler offers with the Type 5697A1 DAQ system an universal
measuring system (e.g. Type 5080A...). These convert the and easy to operate package, consisting of a hardware for the
measurement signal into an electrical voltage. The measured data acquisition and the DynoWare software. For details see
value is exactly proportional to the force acting. data sheet 5697A_000-745.

3-component force measurement Fx, Fy, Fz

Dynamometer Connection cable Multicomponent charge amplifier

Type 9129A... Type 1687B5 Type 5080Axx3x001

Output ±10 V
Ch1 Fx
Ch2 Fy
pos. pos.
Ch3 Fz

IP67 IP65 IP40

Degree of protection EN60529

Fig. 10: Measuring system for 3-component measurement with multi-channel charge amplifier

Dynamometer Connection cable Laboratory charge amplifier

Type 9129A Type 1687B5 Type 5167A41xK

Output ±10 V
Kistler LabAmp

Ch1 Fx
Ch2 Fx
pos. pos.
Ch3 Fy

IP67 IP65 IP20

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Degree of protection EN60529

Fig. 11: Measuring system for 3-component measurement with laboratory charge amplifier

measure. analyze. innovate.

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Made in Switzerland
Winterthur Switzerland
Kistler Instrumente AG
 3-Component Measuring System – For cutting force measurement during turning,
Type 9129A...

Typical measuring chain with DAQ system Type 5697A1

Dynamometer Connection cable, Charge amplifier Connecting cable DAQ system

high impedance Notebook
(from customer side)
Type 9129A... Type 16xx Type 5080A Type 1700A111A2 Type 5697A1
with DynoWare
Type 1200A27

Typical measuring chain with LabAmp system Type 5167A...

Dynamometer Connection cable, Charge amplifier with integrated DAQ

high impedance Notebook
(from customer side)
Type 9129A... Type 16xx Type 5167A…
with DynoWare
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Measuring system components

• Other machine adapters or tool

holders on request

Machine adapter Dynamometer Toolholder

Fig. 12: Configuration of standard components

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Ordering key Type/Art. No.

• Multicomponent dynamometer 9129AA • Tool holder for lathe chisel 9129AE0,75
up to 10 kN, cover plate 90x105 mm ¾"x¾" for axially mounted
Accessories included: dynamometer for Type 9129AA
– Mounting screws M6x35 (8 items) 65012770 Accessories included:
– Hex socket head 65013776
• Machine adapter with straight shank 9129AB30 cap screw M6x22 (10 items)
ø30 mm for disk-type turret with – Swarf shield 20 65006803
VDI tool holding fixture,
DIN 69880-30x55 for Type 9129AA • Tool holder for lathe chisel 9129AE1
1"x1" for axially mounted
• Machine adapter with straight shank 9129AB40 dynamometer for Type 9129AA
ø40 mm for disk-type turret with Accessories included:
VDI tool holding fixture, – Hex socket head 65013777
DIN 69880-40x63 for Type 9129AA cap screw M6x30 (10 items)
– Swarf shield 25 65006804
• Machine adapter with straight shank 9129AB50
ø50 mm for disk-type turret with • Tool holder for lathe chisel 9129AE20
VDI tool holding fixture, 20x20 mm for axially mounted
DIN 69880-50x78 for Type 9129AA dynamometer for Type 9129AA
Accessories included:
• Machine adapter with Capto C5 for 9129AC5 – Hex socket head 65013776
disk-type turret with Coromant Capto cap screw M6x22 (10 items)
clamping unit for Type 9129AA – Swarf shield 20 65006803

• Machine adapter with Capto C6 for 9129AC6 • Tool holder for lathe chisel 9129AE25
disk-type turret with Coromant Capto 25x25 mm for axially mounted
clamping unit for Type 9129AA dynamometer for Type 9129AA
Accessories included:
• Machine adapter with Capto C8 for disk- 9129AC8 – Hex socket head 65013777
type turret with Coromant Capto clamping cap screw M6x30 (10 items)
unit for Type 9129AA – Swarf shield 25 65006804

• Machine adapter with clamping wedge 9129AD0,75 • Tool holder for boring bars 9129AF40
¾"x1½" for disk-type turret with up to ø40 mm for radially mounted
direct tool holding fixture for Type 9129AA dynamometer for Type 9129AA
Accessories included:
• Machine adapter with clamping wedge 9129AD1 – Hex socket head 65013776
1"x2" for disk-type turret with cap screw M6x22 (10 items)
direct tool holding fixture for Type 9129AA – Reducing bushing ø40/32 65006801
– Reducing bushing ø40/25 65006802
• Machine adapter with clamping wedge 9129AD20
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20x40 mm for disk-type turret with • Tool holder CoroTurn wit SL 9129AG40
direct tool holding fixture for Type 9129AA interface for modular system with
cutting heads for Type 9129AA
• Machine adapter with clamping wedge 9129AD25
25x50 mm for disk-type turret with • Packing and carrying case for 9129AZ1
direct tool holding fixture for Type 9129AA assembled measuring system

Other machine adapters and tool holders on request.

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Optional accessories Type/Art. No.

For 3-component force measurement Fx, Fy, Fz
• Connecting cable, 3 wire, with flexible 1687B5
metal sheath (L = 5 m)
• Connecting cable, 3 wire, steel braided, 1687BQ02
flexibel (L = 5 m)
• Extension cable, 3 wire, 1688B5
high insulation (L = 5 m)
• Connecting cable, 3 wire, with flexible 1689B5
metal sheath and angle connector (L = 5 m)
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Capto and Coroturn are registered trademarks of the Sandvik Group.

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