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FILATEX INDIA LIMITED
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20th February, 2024
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Earnings Conference call held on 16th February, 2024 for the Q.3FY24 results of the
Company.
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Filatex India Limited
Q3 FY24 Earnings Conference Call
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February 16, 2024
Moderator: Ladies and Gentlemen, Good day and welcome to Filatex India Limited Q3 FY24
Earnings Conference Call hosted by Systematic Institutional Equities.
I now hand the conference over to Mr. Pratik Tholiya from Systematic Institutional
Equities. Thank you and over to you, sir.
Pratik Tholiya: Thanks Manan. Good evening everyone. On behalf of Systematic Institutional
Equities, I would like to welcome all the participants who have logged into this
conference call of Filatex India for their Q3 and FY24 Earnings Conference Call.
We have with us from the Management Team Mr. Madhu Sudhan Bhageria –
Chairman and Managing Director, Mr. Madhav Bhageria – CFO and Joint Managing
Director and Mr. Ashok Chauhan – Executive Director.
At the outset, I would like to thank the Management for giving us the opportunity to
host this Conference Call.
I would like to now welcome Mr. Madhu Sudhan Bhageria to start the proceedings
by giving his opening remarks. Thank you and over to you, sir.
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: Thank you Pratik. Good afternoon and a warm welcome to all of you attending this
conference call. Joining me in this session is Mr. Madhav Bhageria – Joint MD and
CFO and Mr. Ashok Chauhan - our Executive Director.
I presume you would have gone through the investors presentation which had been
uploaded on our website and the stock exchanges.
Let me quickly take you through the “Results” of this Quarter Q3 FY24:
The revenue for this quarter was 1,083 crores over 1,108 crores in Q2 FY24. The
operating profit EBITDA is around Rs. 75 crores a growth of around 39% from 53
crores in the last quarter. Profit before tax is 48 crores from 31.5 crores in the
preceding quarters. The net profit PAT has increased to 35 crores in this quarter
from Rs. 23 crores in Q2 FY24.
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Keeping in view the general trends, with some improvement in EBITDA over the last
quarter but still it is well below the double digit we had achieved earlier in FY22.
Before elaborating on this let me give you a brief observation about the global
situation. Russian invasion of Ukraine and subsequent sanctions are not showing
any signs of abatement. Israel and Hamas conflict remains unabated.
The effected of interruption in Russian gas supply and overall energy matrix is
causing serious concerns. Shipping companies are facing challenges in passing
through the Red sea. Crude pricing and petroleum derivatives have been
fluctuating almost on daily basis. These conditions have affected commodity
markets and supply chains leading to a slowdown in global growth.
One of the major risks of this outlook is the possibility of high global inflation and
tepid growth, a reminder of speculation of the 1970. This is likely to result in sharp
tightening of monitory policy in advanced economies which is likely to lead to
financial stress in emerging and developing economies. International agencies are
working with the US, UK, Europe, etc., to create a strong and wide-ranging policy
reform to boost growth, reduce financial vulnerability and support vulnerable
countries.
Coming back to textiles, the Indian textile is facing challenging time. The current
year progress is slower than the previous years as T&A manufacturing declined.
Sales volumes of yarns and fibers remain weak compared to the downstream,
readymade and retail segment. In spite of good footfall in retail segments the
market remained cautious, and demand was not transferring into volumes in yarn
and fiber segments.
Overall, inflatory development across the globe and volatile geopolitical upheavals
impacted the performance of textile markets. For domestic and international
markets have faced strong and chilly headwinds.
The performance of Indian polyester industry has been rather challenging this year.
The domestic market was flooded with cheaper imports of substandard polyester
yarns and fibers. Government of India had made compliance of quality standards
QCO mandatory for polyester filament yarn effective from 8th October 2021.
However, multiple extensions of this order led to multiple increase in the imports.
Periodic extensions of effective date led to a deluge of imported yarns of
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substandard quality and ridiculously low prices. Indian manufacture had no option,
but to sell their material at matching prices leading to huge erosion of margins. So,
in a nutshell it was a competition against low priced imports.
Appreciating the prolonged suffering from yarn manufacture for almost 7 quarters,
Government of India finally implemented QCOs on yarn with effect from 5th
October 2023. However, taking advantage of several extensions, the trader placed
orders for very large quantities. We believe the situation will now improve once the
imported material pipeline gets exhausted. Government of India has to be agile in
monitoring its state policies carefully.
China has now started dumping fabric at abnormally low prices, something as low
as $1.4 per kg, which is almost equivalent to the cost of yarn. This is causing destress
to all the yarn manufacturers, weavers and processors. The government has been
appraised of this unfair trade practice; steps are being suggested to have a
minimum of $3.50 price for custom duty.
Thus, dumping of low-priced imports from China in all form yarn, fabrics have been
the biggest challenge this year. Though the domestic demand for synthetic fiber has
been good, the large volume of low-cost substandard imports have forced Indian
manufacturers to reduce their policies in line with imports from China. This
reduction of prices has reduced the margins despite high volumes. Polyester
industry at global level is dominated by China.
Overall, at a global level the textile fibers are growing at 3% CAGR. Most of the
growth is through polyester filament yarn despite COVID havoc China had added a
fresh capacity of around 3 million tons in 2023. However, further expansion has
slowed down. China produces around 40 million tons at 80% capacity utilization in
2023. No new investments have been announced in China for 24-25. Indian capacity
utilization is also close to 90% with total capacity around 5 million tons per annum.
To meet the annual increase in global demand of 3 million ton it is a good
opportunity for Indian manufacturers who add new capacity. Though, India is
second largest producer, it is distant second as China is around 8 times.
Pandemic has been a great eye opener for the industry while the best realizes that
the dependency on China is a two-edge sword. They are on the look out of another
sourcing ways. Everyone is talking of China plus One. India is closer to home
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compared to others. We are not only self sufficient to meet our needs, but also have
capabilities to fill the vacuum. Be at the right place at the right time. However,
China being the largest exporter major global consumers and though complete
replacement is practically not possible, significant gains can be achieved by
strategic steps. Hence, the Indian polyester and the downstream industry should
collectively work towards reaping the maximum benefits of this.
A few words about the Indian situation, government of India has recognized the
dominant role of synthetic fibers in global textile today. The world producers and
consumers have shown wide acceptance of synthetic fibers garments and apparels.
Government of India has announced PLI scheme for the development and boosting
of fabrics and garments of manmade fibers. Clusters of mega textile parks are under
planning and execution. These large parks will have the benefit of world class
amenities which will benefit small and medium sized companies in readymade
garments and apparel segments.
Around 2.2 million tons of PTA capacity will be commissioned in the calendar year
2025. These plants are being setup by Indian oil and the other one is by GAIL. This
will reduce the dependence on imports which have uncertainties like shipping
schedule, exchange rate fluctuation. The domestic demand is robust and is growing
at 8% CAGR. Domestic production capacity is around 5 million tons. The new
capacity addition in the next 2 years will be only 4,50,000 tons. No other investment
is planned. With robust demand, the margins that had dropped due to imports will
gradually improve to a regulative level adequate to consider fresh capacity
additions.
All these factors are encouraging and will restore confidence in the future of packed
fibers and filaments and improved margins. We continue to be buoyant about the
future of our polyester filament business. Polyester is the most widely used fibers
worldwide. The growth in world fiber production in the last 13 years has come from
synthetic fibers only contributing 93% of the incremental growth.
Besides being very versatile, polyester fiber has less impact on the environment. A
comprehensive study by Swedish research company has found that it is far less
resource intense to produce polyester than conventional cotton from a lifecycle
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We are adding 70 tons per day capacity to produce cationic chips likely to get
commissioned by March 2024. This will have an incremental margin of at least Rs.
12, even at 50 tons per day utilization we expect to add around 21 crores to our
margins next year. We have been working on improving energy efficiency and
energy cost. Investment in renewable energy and usage of captive power is likely to
result in savings in power cost.
Considering the focus on sustainability of textile industry and the need to shift from
linear to circular economy, we have developed through inhouse R&D a process to
utilize textile waste of polyester in any form. After expensive lab test, we set up a
pilot plant which is now operating steadily. We are in the process of setting up in
upscaled version with capacity of around 75 tons per day.
Moderator: Thank you very much. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. We have
our first question from the line of Niraj Mansingka from White Pine Investments.
Please go ahead.
Niraj Mansingka: I have few questions. One is on the capacity utilization. I think you're running at
more than 100% capacity utilization, is it right?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: Yes, we are running almost close to 100% capacity utilization.
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Niraj Mansingka: And this is just the period of slowdown in the demand in India, so how do you plan
to capitalize that when the demand grows in India. So, how do you plan to capitalize
that demand growth for polyester yarn?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: I think once the demand grows, we can change the product mix and also make more
products which have more value addition. Right now, we have to make product as
per the market requirement we don't have much choice because whichever one we
can sell easily, we make that.
So, going forward the product mix only can be changed, volumes cannot be
increased till we add new capacity. We are adding cationic which I said will add to
some value addition on the product and once things stabilize, we will add more
capacity going forward.
Niraj Mansingka: So, whatever is the mix today, how much EBITDA can you add in if there is some
improvement in the demand in the market and can you give some color on that like
how can your margins change and you said is equal to value addition?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: Not too much we can do, but maybe we can add another 100-basis point by
changing the product mix.
Niraj Mansingka: And secondly you said cationic chip CAPEX, what is the capacity sorry I couldn't hear
that and what is the time frame you are looking at?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: Capacity is 75 Tons per day and in the first year we might be operating at 50 tons 60
tons. So, that's what we have considered 50 tons in our projection. So, it's a
different kind of a polymer.
Niraj Mansingka: How many tons per day, I couldn’t hear it?
Niraj Mansingka: What is the capacity of the cationic chips, I could not hear that?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: That capacity we are putting is 75 tons per day.
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Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: No, this will start in March ‘24 only. September ‘25 is the recycling project which we
are taking up that is also for similar capacity that will start in September ‘25.
Niraj Mansingka: I got it. So, basically, I got confused because both were of similar capacity. That’s
the reason I want to know.
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: Yes, almost similar capacity, but they are different thing.
Niraj Mansingka: So, basically, you are having two CAPEX of cationic chips and recycling projects?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: One is already near completion only which it will start in next month and the second
one we will take it up so that will be around 130 crores to 150 crores that CAPEX will
happen in FY25 and being operational in mid FY26.
Niraj Mansingka: And the CAPEX for cationic chips is how much, how many crores?
Niraj Mansingka: And if give some color like you said there's not much of capacity being added in
India. So, then do you see anything more coming up or is it just a demand supply
mismatch?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: People will add capacity, but they have to see some profitability there because
today for anybody to put a new capacity the EBITDA have to be at least 13-15% to
make sense because normally plant of 2,00,000 tons cost around 1,700 crores. So,
even if you take like 16-17% margin you need around 260 crores of EBITDA which is
almost like Rs. 13 kg or 13% something like that.
So, those kind of EBITDA if don't come then who will add the capacity. I don't think
anybody would take a decision to add the capacity. So, maybe in next year we see
that kind of EBITDA then there will be people putting up new capacities and also
what I hear is that reliance is putting up also new PTA plant of 3 million tons. So that
will make India surplus in PTA. So, people would like to match their capacities
coming at around when the Reliance plant is coming. So, there's no shortage of PTA
which people have to import right now.
Niraj Mansingka: And the last question how you EBITDA margins for chips, POY, DTY and FDY
separately for the last quarter?
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Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: Chips has hardly any EBITDA I can say I mean depends it can be not even 1% at
times. It's a very competitive thing. We are not selling any chips. I think our chip
sales would be less than 0.5%.
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: POY right now is around Rs. 4 to Rs. 5 FDY would be around Rs. 13-14 and textured
would be Rs. 6-7 present situation.
Niraj Mansingka: So, in the last 6 months or 9 months there's been a good improvement in the FDY
margins in industry, right?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: Yes, FDY margins improved significantly in the last quarter, but now this quarter
also some problem is coming up because of this MSME issues. So, the demand has
actually gone down. I mean that is a problem for a lot of products not just limited
to our product, but in fabric the credit period is quite long. So, the problem is a little
more prominent in industry. Let's see people have given representation to the
government if they take something and change some days or something let's see.
Moderator: Thank you. We have a follow up question from the line of Niraj Mansingka from
White Pine Investments. Please go ahead.
Niraj Mansingka: You give some understanding of how you can increase your margins when the
demand picks up. So, how much FDY can you go up to like your margin in FDY is
quite high and how much can we move to this?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: No, I think FDY denier is also very low denier. So, the margins can improve by Rs. 3
to Rs. 4 in all the products at least.
Niraj Mansingka: So, it is still not much because you told that…
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: A healthy margin would be at least overall a double-digit margin then only people
will think about new investment.
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Niraj Mansingka: So, what you are saying is until your run rate of EBITDA goes up to say double from
your so for maybe 120, 130 crores a quarter, it is difficult for others to justify new
CAPEX in this industry?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: I think to justify a CAPEX in the industry people should get at least on a kg basis at
least Rs. 12 to Rs. 14, otherwise you cannot justify.
Niraj Mansingka: And other thing is on your polyester recycling project. Can you give some color on
what you are making money right now and what is the experience on the recycling
in the last quarter?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: Right now, we are not making much money. We hardly produce. We are just
producing trial quantities. So, that's not very significant. We hardly produce 10 tons,
15 tons in a month. But going forward once we put up the plant that will be of rate
say around 25,000 tons annually that could give us a EBITDA of at least minimum
around 50 crores on an investment of let's say around 130 crores to 150 crores.
Niraj Mansingka: And which will correspond to how much rupees per kg?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: I have taken a very low number of around Rs. 20 Rs. 22 per kg that is I am talking on
the chip stage because what we are putting right now will be only till the chip stage
then that chips we can use in house and make the yarn. So, whatever we make on
the yarn would be additional. Because the technology is only if the chips stays.
Niraj Mansingka: But is there a demand in India like you said if there's an opportunity to pick up in
the textile part in India?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: Yes there is a good demand in India and worldwide also.
Niraj Mansingka: And you are talking about this margin because of the sustainability reasons also lot
of companies are buying. Is it right?
Niraj Mansingka: You are talking of this margin remaining high because of the sustainability revision
product?
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Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: Yes, sustainability EPR in the Europe and America they want to have that extended
producer responsibility have been put fixed in the Europe. So, they need to have
around 25% or 50% of their material to be recycled in the garments which they sell.
Right now, the availability is not there, so they are forced to buy non recycled or
mechanically recycled products, but they are always looking for chemically recycle
which can give a better quality and there's a good demand like there's one
perpetual in India which makes so he is able to sell his yarn around Rs. 40 to Rs. 50
premium.
Niraj Mansingka: Wow that’s great. Last question is your interest income is also running at the run
rate of 11 crores a quarter with cash in the books shouldn't this be much lower on
your on your P&L?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: Expense this time has been notional because there's a spurt in the Euro to the rupee
and we have lot of ECBs in Europe that's why it is there may be like now in December
I think it was Rs. 92 again it's come back to 89 so maybe this quarter if it remains in
this way we will have a very low interest.
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: Right now, it is 250 crores which is around 75 is rupee loan and balance 175 is Euro
loan.
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: No, normal repayment is there. So, we would pay another 14 crores, 15 crores in
this quarter. We prepaid this year around 15 crores of rupee loan.
Niraj Mansingka: Thank you. That’s all for now. You have given a good understanding of the industry.
Moderator: Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Rahul Arukandathil from
Vista Wealth Private Limited. Please go ahead.
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Rahul Arukandathil: So, my question is again regarding this recycling in the polyester, so please give us
a timeline on when exactly the main plant could be commissioned?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: The recycle plant we're likely to commission by September 2025.
Rahul Arukandathil: And I was reading about recycling yarn in India and abroad and it seems that the
demand is still there, but there are a lot of new technologies coming up for putting
this recycle yarn and different technologies that produce yarn at a different costs,
so is that one of the reasons why you have taken the price of your recycle yarn on
the lower end just to be conservative?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: See, we have taken very conservative numbers. In our technology, we will be able
to produce the recycled yarn at a similar or a lower price than the virgin. So, then
we can always have the margin which the virgin will improve and plus the premium
over and others. The new technologies which you will hear from other companies
like Loop Industries and there are some other companies in the world who are doing
it. So, their cost of production is very high. What I heard is that their cost will be at
least Rs. 20 Rs. 30 more than the virgin material once they produce it.
Rahul Arukandathil: So, do you think the reason why the cost of production is so high is because most
of these companies are technology companies trying to get into fabric versus you
guys?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: No, the technology which they are adopting as a high cost of production. So, they
have a different technology which they are adopting. We are adopting a different
technology.
Rahul Arukandathil: And sir the technology that you have and you can’t discuss that at times because it
might be proprietary for whatever reason?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: We have developed up own, they have developed their own, but whatever is
available on the public domain and whatever we come to know, and we had been
in touch with one Ambercycle in US, they have also declared their technology now.
So, we were in touch with them and what we had to talk with them that cost was
very high. So, their recycling cost was almost like close to $1 only the cost of
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production whereas for us it will be maybe little lower than 50 cents over the waste
material.
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: I have some idea, but I can't discuss it.
Moderator: Thank you, sir. We have our next question from the line of Yogeeta from Systematix
Institutional Equities. Please go ahead.
Yogeeta: Just two quick questions. One is you mentioned about this cationic chip plant at
Dahej, so, what would be the revenue potential let us say one year in the one-year
time?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: Cationic chips these revenues will not go up only the profitability will go up because
we will be replacing semi-dull and bright which we are producing now because we
have not added yarn capacity. We are only making polymer and then yarn we will
make on the existing machines. Maybe in future we can add more yarn then the top
line will go up. Only the bottom line I think would go up at least by 20-21 crores in
next financial year because of this.
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: Recycle projects would be commissioned in September 2025 and in the first year
we expect a top line of around 250 crores with EBITDA of around 50 crores.
Yogeeta: So, can you throw some light on the aftereffects of this quality control that has been
implemented like in the November you have mentioned in your imports got
substantially reduced, but currently how is the situation?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: I couldn't get you. Are you talking about the QCO?
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Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: Yes. So, quality control order has been implemented from 5th of October 2023, but
there were huge imports which were in the pipeline which got cleared, anything
dispatched before the date, that was cleared. So, that's why we had some problem
in the 3rd Quarter and it could have been much better.
In the 4th Quarter, the problem of this MSME has come in. Otherwise, initially it
started on a good note, but then by the end of Jan this problem was highlighted
alot and that's why the demand has been affected. Going forward and if no relief is
coming from the government, then I don't think the 4th Quarter would be any better
than the 3rd Quarter. It would be like similar to the 3rd Quarter. Otherwise, I was
expecting it to be better than the 3rd Quarter.
Yogeeta: Sir, just one last question. How do you see the domestic demand from the
downstream industry to improve and when do you expect that to improve?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: I couldn't get you. Please can you repeat?
Yogeeta: The domestic demands and downstream industries when do you expect it to
improve?
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: The downstream industry domestic demand will also increase from April; they are
also facing this kind of problem because of the MSME payment which the
government has done. A lot of people, even if they are traders, have registered in
MSME to get interest advantage from the bank.
So, this issue is throughout the chain right now from the retailer till the
manufacturer of fabrics, this issue is there. So, the buying has stopped and slowed
down considerably because of this problem. Nobody wants to buy a product where
they cannot pay within 45 days. So, once this problem gets resolved I think there is
a demand, pent up demand would be there and then huge demand should come
from April. If it gets resolved within the next week then of course demand will again
pick up.
Moderator: Thank you. As there are no further questions, I now hand the conference over to Mr.
Pratik Tholiya for closing comments. Over to you, sir.
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Pratik Tholiya: Thanks, Manan. On behalf of Systematic Institutional Equities, I would like to thank
all the participants who logged into this conference call and thank the management
once again for giving us the opportunity to host this call. Sir, would you like to make
any calling closing comments.
Madhu Sudhan Bhageria: So, I would just like to thank everybody for taking out time and participating in this
and we hope to meet again in the next conference call for the year ending Q4.
Moderator: Thank you. On behalf of Systematic Institutional Equities that concludes this
conference. Thank you for joining us and you may now disconnect your line.
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