you are piping, stress, process engineer.

Could you tell me in which case we need to use flexible hose

for suction of pump?
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Using a flexible hose for the suction of a pump is typically necessary in the following scenarios:

1. Vibration Isolation: Flexible hoses can absorb and isolate vibrations between the pump and the
piping system. This is crucial to prevent vibration from being transmitted through the piping system,
which can cause fatigue, noise, and potential failure of rigid connections.

2. Thermal Expansion: In systems where there are significant temperature changes, flexible hoses can
accommodate thermal expansion and contraction. This helps to prevent stress on the piping system
and the pump connections.

3. Alignment Issues: If there are alignment issues between the pump inlet and the piping, flexible
hoses can accommodate minor misalignments without putting undue stress on the pump
connections.

4. Ease of Maintenance: Flexible hoses can be easier to disconnect and reconnect during maintenance
activities, facilitating quicker access to the pump for servicing.

5. Space Constraints: In confined spaces where rigid piping might be difficult to install, flexible hoses
offer a more adaptable solution.

6. Movements and Settlements: For systems installed in environments where there might be ground
settlement or structural movements, such as on floating platforms or seismic zones, flexible hoses
can absorb these movements, protecting the pump and the piping system.

However, when using flexible hoses, it is important to ensure they are rated for the specific suction
pressure and the type of fluid being pumped. They must also be properly supported to avoid kinking
and should be installed according to manufacturer guidelines to ensure reliability and safety.
is that apply for centrifugal pump or every pump?
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The considerations for using flexible hoses on the suction side of pumps generally apply to most
types of pumps, including centrifugal pumps, but are not limited to them. Here’s a more detailed
breakdown by pump type:

1. Centrifugal Pumps:

 Vibration Isolation: Centrifugal pumps often generate vibrations due to the rotation of the impeller.
Flexible hoses can help isolate these vibrations.
 Thermal Expansion: Suitable for systems with varying temperatures, preventing thermal stress.
 Alignment and Maintenance: Useful for misalignment and ease of maintenance, especially since
centrifugal pumps are commonly used in various industries.
2. Positive Displacement Pumps (e.g., piston, diaphragm, gear pumps):

 Pulsation Damping: These pumps often produce pulsating flows, and flexible hoses can help
dampen these pulsations.
 Vibration and Shock Absorption: Similar to centrifugal pumps, these pumps can generate
vibrations and shocks that flexible hoses can mitigate.

3. Rotary Pumps (e.g., screw, vane pumps):

 Vibration Isolation: These pumps also benefit from vibration isolation provided by flexible hoses.
 Thermal Expansion and Alignment: Flexible hoses help in accommodating thermal expansion and
misalignments, similar to centrifugal pumps.

4. Submersible Pumps:

 Ease of Handling: Flexible hoses can facilitate easier handling and installation, especially in confined
or hard-to-reach locations.
 Movement Compensation: In applications like sump pumping or sewage pumping, where the
pump might move slightly due to varying fluid levels, flexible hoses can compensate for these
movements.

5. Peristaltic Pumps:

 Vibration Damping: While these pumps inherently isolate the pumped fluid from the mechanical
parts, flexible hoses on the suction side can help with vibration damping and ease of connection.

In summary, the use of flexible hoses on the suction side is a common practice across various pump
types to address vibration isolation, thermal expansion, alignment issues, ease of maintenance, space
constraints, and movement compensation. The specific need and benefits can vary depending on the
pump type and the particular application, but the general principles remain consistent.
which source you refer to answer it?
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The information provided in my response is based on general engineering principles and industry
practices commonly known and applied in the fields of piping, stress, and process engineering. Here
are the types of sources and references that typically inform such guidelines:

1. Engineering Standards and Codes: Standards from organizations such as ASME (American Society
of Mechanical Engineers), API (American Petroleum Institute), and ANSI (American National
Standards Institute) provide guidelines on the design and installation of pump systems, including the
use of flexible hoses.

2. Pump Manufacturer Guidelines: Manufacturers of pumps and flexible hoses often provide detailed
installation instructions and recommendations in their technical manuals and datasheets.
3. Textbooks and Reference Books: Books on fluid mechanics, pump engineering, and piping design
often cover best practices and considerations for using flexible hoses in pump systems.

 For example, "Centrifugal Pump Handbook" by Sulzer Pumps or "Pump Handbook" by Igor Karassik.

4. Industry Publications and Articles: Articles from industry journals, magazines, and online resources
such as "Chemical Engineering," "Pumps & Systems," and similar publications.

While I did not refer to a specific document for this response, the information synthesizes commonly
accepted practices and guidelines from these types of sources, reflecting standard industry
knowledge. If you need specific references or detailed standards, consulting the above-mentioned
resources or specific manufacturer documentation would be advisable.
When choosing between a flexible hose and an expansion joint for the suction side of a
pump, it's essential to understand the differences in their design, function, and
application. Both components serve to accommodate movement and relieve stress in
piping systems but have distinct characteristics that make them more suitable for
different situations.

Flexible Hose

Advantages:

1. Flexibility and Movement: Flexible hoses are highly adaptable, capable of handling
complex movements, including lateral, angular, and axial movements. They can absorb
vibrations, accommodate misalignment, and reduce noise.
2. Ease of Installation: Flexible hoses are relatively easy to install and require less precise
alignment than rigid connections.
3. Versatility: They can be used in a variety of applications and can handle different types
of fluids, including corrosive and abrasive materials, depending on the material of the
hose.
4. Vibration Isolation: Particularly effective at isolating and damping vibrations from the
pump, protecting the piping system from vibrational stress.

Disadvantages:

1. Pressure and Temperature Limitations: Flexible hoses may have lower pressure and
temperature limits compared to some expansion joints, depending on the material.
2. Durability: They may be less durable in certain harsh environments and could require
more frequent replacement.

Expansion Joint
 Advantages:

1. Specific Movement Accommodation: Designed to handle specific types of movement,

such as thermal expansion and contraction. They are particularly effective at absorbing
axial movements.
2. High Pressure and Temperature Capability: Expansion joints, especially metallic ones,
can handle higher pressures and temperatures than flexible hoses.
3. Durability: Generally more durable in harsh environments, especially metallic expansion
joints that can withstand abrasive or high-temperature conditions.

Disadvantages:

1. Less Flexible: While they are excellent for axial movement and limited angular or lateral
movements, they are not as flexible as hoses for accommodating complex movements.
2. Installation Requirements: Installation can be more complex, requiring precise
alignment and possibly more robust support structures.

Comparison

Use Case Considerations:

1. Vibration and Noise: If the primary concern is isolating vibration and reducing noise
from the pump, a flexible hose is generally more effective.
2. Thermal Expansion: For applications with significant thermal expansion and
contraction, an expansion joint might be more suitable.
3. Alignment Issues: Flexible hoses are better for accommodating misalignment during
installation and operation.
4. Space Constraints: Flexible hoses can be easier to fit in confined spaces and complex
layouts.
5. Pressure and Temperature: For higher pressure and temperature applications,
expansion joints, particularly metallic ones, are preferable.

Which One is Better?

The decision between a flexible hose and an expansion joint depends on the specific
requirements of the application:

 Choose a Flexible Hose:

 When vibration isolation is critical.

 For systems with minor misalignments and requiring easy installation.
 In applications with moderate pressure and temperature conditions.
 Where there are complex movements to accommodate.

 Choose an Expansion Joint:

 For handling significant thermal expansion and contraction.

 In high-pressure and high-temperature environments.
 When durability and longevity in harsh conditions are paramount.
 When axial movement accommodation is a primary concern.

In many cases, the best solution might involve using both components in different parts
of the system to leverage their respective advantages. Consulting with a piping and
pump system specialist can provide the most tailored and effective solution for your
specific application.

When using a flexible hose at the suction of a pump, the type of support you use is
crucial to ensure proper alignment, stability, and functionality of the system. Here’s a
breakdown of the different types of supports and their applications:

Types of Supports

1. Rigid Support:

 Function: Provides firm and fixed support, ensuring the piping or hose stays in a precise
location.
 Use Case: Generally not recommended for flexible hoses at the suction side of pumps
because it can restrict the hose's ability to absorb vibrations, accommodate movements,
and align properly with the pump.

2. Rest Support:

 Function: Allows the hose to rest on a surface, providing vertical support but allowing
some freedom of movement horizontally and axially.
 Use Case: Suitable for flexible hoses as it supports the weight of the hose while still
allowing it to flex and absorb vibrations. It is commonly used to prevent sagging and
reduce strain on the hose.
3. Adjustable Support:

 Function: Provides adjustable support to align the hose properly with the pump inlet.
These supports can be adjusted for height and sometimes for horizontal position.
 Use Case: Ideal for flexible hoses at the pump suction as it allows precise alignment with
the pump while providing necessary support. It facilitates easy adjustments during
installation and maintenance.

Recommended Support for Flexible Hose at Pump Suction

Combination of Supports:

 Primary Support: Use rest support to carry the weight of the flexible hose and prevent
sagging.
 Secondary (Adjustable) Support: Implement adjustable supports near the pump
connection to ensure proper alignment with the pump inlet. This allows for easy
adjustments during installation and can help maintain alignment during operation.

Support Placement and Design Considerations:

 Proximity to Pump: Place the adjustable support as close to the pump inlet as possible
to ensure proper alignment.
 Intermediate Supports: Depending on the length of the flexible hose, additional rest
supports may be needed along the hose to prevent sagging and distribute the load
evenly.
 Allow for Movement: Ensure that the supports do not overly restrict the hose’s natural
flexibility. The hose should be able to absorb vibrations and accommodate thermal
expansion and contractions without excessive constraint.
 Support Materials: Use materials compatible with the hose and the operating
environment, considering factors like corrosion resistance and load-bearing capacity.

Installation Tips

 Proper Alignment: Ensure that the flexible hose is not twisted or excessively bent
during installation. The supports should help maintain a natural curve without sharp
bends.
 Vibration Dampening: Consider using vibration dampening materials or mounts in the
supports to enhance vibration isolation.
 Regular Inspection: Periodically inspect the supports and the flexible hose to ensure
they are in good condition and properly aligned. Adjust the supports as necessary to
maintain optimal performance.

By using a combination of rest supports and adjustable supports, you can ensure that
the flexible hose at the suction of the pump is properly supported and aligned,
enhancing the system’s reliability and longevity.
The appropriate length of a flexible hose on the suction side of a pump depends on
several factors, including the specific application, the type and size of the hose, and the
movement or flexibility required. Here are some general guidelines to help determine
the appropriate length:

General Guidelines for Flexible Hose Length

1. Manufacturer Recommendations: Always refer to the manufacturer’s specifications

and recommendations for the specific type and size of the flexible hose being used.
Manufacturers often provide guidelines for the minimum and maximum length based
on the hose's design and intended use.

2. Movement Accommodation: The length should be sufficient to accommodate any

expected movement, such as vibration, thermal expansion, and any misalignment
between the pump and piping. Generally, a longer hose provides more flexibility and
movement accommodation, but it should not be excessively long to avoid sagging or
creating flow restrictions.

3. Installation Space: The hose length should fit within the available installation space
without causing excessive bends or kinks. Ensure there is enough length to create
smooth, gentle curves rather than sharp bends, which can restrict flow and cause undue
stress on the hose.

4. Support and Alignment: Ensure that the hose length allows for proper support and
alignment with the pump inlet. The hose should be long enough to connect without
forcing, but not so long that it requires excessive support to prevent sagging.

5. Vibration Isolation: The length should be sufficient to isolate vibrations effectively.

Typically, this means avoiding lengths that are too short to absorb vibrations
adequately. However, the hose should also not be so long that it requires numerous
supports, which can reduce its ability to isolate vibrations.

Typical Length Ranges

 While specific lengths can vary, here are some typical considerations:

 Short Lengths (200-500 mm): Suitable for applications with minimal movement and
alignment needs. These lengths might be used in situations where space is very
constrained and only minor vibration isolation is needed.
 Medium Lengths (500-1000 mm): Commonly used lengths that provide a good
balance between flexibility and ease of installation. These lengths are usually sufficient
for most standard pump installations to accommodate vibration, thermal expansion, and
minor misalignments.
 Long Lengths (1000-1500 mm or more): Used when significant movement
accommodation is needed or when the installation space requires more length. These
lengths might be necessary in systems with considerable thermal expansion, large
alignment variances, or where the pump and piping connection points are relatively far
apart.

Specific Considerations

 Application-Specific Requirements: Industrial applications might have specific

requirements based on the type of fluid being pumped, environmental conditions, and
regulatory standards.
 Pump Size and Type: Larger pumps or those with high vibration levels might require
longer hoses for adequate vibration isolation.
 Fluid Dynamics: Ensure that the hose length does not adversely affect the suction
conditions, such as causing excessive pressure drop or cavitation.

Conclusion

For most standard pump installations, a flexible hose length between 500 mm and 1000
mm is often appropriate, but this can vary based on the specific needs and constraints
of your application. Always consult the hose manufacturer’s guidelines and consider the
factors mentioned above to determine the optimal length for your specific situation.
Additionally, working with a piping or pump system specialist can provide tailored
recommendations for your particular setup.
Given that the distance between the pipe flange and the nozzle suction of the pump is
300mm, you should generally purchase a flexible hose that is longer than 300mm. This
extra length allows for proper installation, alignment, and accommodation of any minor
adjustments or movements. Here are a few reasons why a longer hose is preferable:

Reasons for a Longer Hose

1. Flexibility and Movement: A hose that is exactly 300mm might be too rigid, limiting its
ability to flex and accommodate any slight misalignments or movements. A slightly
longer hose allows for better flexibility and movement absorption.

2. Ease of Installation: A hose that is slightly longer than the exact distance can be
installed more easily, reducing the risk of tension and stress on the hose and
connections. This makes the installation process smoother and safer.

3. Vibration Isolation: A longer hose can better isolate and dampen vibrations from the
pump, which is crucial for the longevity and reliability of both the pump and the piping
system.

4. Thermal Expansion and Contraction: If there are any temperature changes in the
system, a longer hose can better accommodate the expansion and contraction without
causing stress on the connections.

Recommended Length

For a 300mm gap between the pipe flange and the pump nozzle, I recommend a flexible
hose length of around 400-450mm. This provides enough extra length to:

 Ensure ease of installation and alignment.

 Allow for some flexibility and movement without being excessively long.
 Provide a smooth, gentle curve rather than a tight bend, which can restrict flow and
stress the hose.

Installation Considerations

 Support: Ensure the hose is adequately supported, especially if using a longer length.
Use rest supports or adjustable supports to prevent sagging and maintain proper
alignment.
 Bend Radius: Avoid sharp bends by maintaining an appropriate bend radius as
specified by the hose manufacturer. This helps prevent kinking and ensures smooth fluid
flow.
 Alignment: Make sure the hose is aligned correctly with the pump and piping to avoid
undue stress on the connections.

Conclusion
For your specific case, a flexible hose length of 400-450mm would be more appropriate
than exactly 300mm. This length allows for proper installation, alignment, and
accommodation of minor movements, enhancing the overall reliability and performance
of your pump system. Always consult the hose manufacturer's guidelines to ensure
compatibility with your specific application and conditions.