April 2024 English
April 2024 English
The Tumult of Pride and Insult that anger, pride, deceit and greed which
Since Time Immemorial is present that blindness is bound [occurs],
Questioner: Does a living being and because of that [blindness], one then
have the characteristic traits of anger, makes good and bad inner intents. It is
pride, deceit and greed right from birth only when anger, pride, deceit and greed
itself? leave that the blindness leaves, and only
then do the inner intents become clean.
Dadashri: Well, he takes them along One has become blind due to the ego, one
with him from here [this life] and he uses has become blind due to greed, one has
them over there [in the next life]. become blind due to anger and one has
Questioner: How did he learn all become blind due to deceit; in these four
of this from the moment he was born? ways, one wanders around with nothing
but blindness.
Dadashri: He has indeed come
having already learnt it. Just look at this, Kashay Have Survived on the
how old is this boy? Basis of the Ego
Questioner: He is five years old. The interference is of the ego alone.
Dadashri: Then seventy-five years This world has perpetuated only because
from the past life and five years from this of the ego. Anger, pride, deceit and greed
life, so look at that, he is eighty years old are dependent upon the ego. If the ego is
right now, isn’t he? not there, then the anger, pride, deceit and
greed are there, yet they are nonexistent.
Questioner: Does charging of This is because their base is the ego, and
karma (bhaavkarma) occur due to the the ego itself is based on something else.
characteristic traits of greed and the Its root cause is ignorance of the Self.
characteristic traits of pride? But ignorance of the Self certainly exists,
Dadashri: All charge karma will it has spread throughout the world. So,
certainly arise due to them. It is through what is the basis of anger, pride, deceit
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and greed? It is the ego. What is the now are remaining. Therefore, this is an
basis of the world? It is the ego! If the effective ego, which continues to carry out
ego is removed, then anger, pride, deceit the work. There is nothing in that which
and greed do not do anything. They all can harm You. The ego is present due to
become lifeless. the ignorance of the Self. If that ignorance
So after attaining this Gnan leaves then the ego leaves.
(Knowledge of the Self) ignorance of the Pride Is a Phase of the Ego
Self has left, meaning that the ego has
What is the ego? That which runs
left. And hence, anger, pride, deceit and
away from God. As the ego increases,
greed do not arise, and even if they do
words like obstinacy (aadai), pride
arise, You should See them. When You
(maan), subtle pride of doership (garva)
See them, that means they are not arising
in You. This is because they cannot arise and arrogance (ghamand) are used. The
in the Seer. Say there is a bonfire burning ego arises the moment one moves slightly
outside. Now would the eyes actually burn away from God.
[seeing this]? Therefore, the Seer does not Whatever the ego likes, it has
‘burn’. Whereas, the one in whom egoism attachment (raag) for that and whatever
is arising, he is in fact with the anger, pride, it dislikes, it has abhorrence (dwesh) for
deceit and greed, and so even his ‘eyes’ that. It will always have likes and dislikes.
get ‘burned’. This is because he is not the There are in fact only two, the pure Soul
Seer in that case, he is the doer of egoism. and circumstances, but the impediment of
Ego, Charge-Discharge the ego does not allow one to be at ease.
Questioner: Does this ego feel the The ego is not considered to be the
effects of the past life? same as what people understand it to be.
What people refer to as the ego is actually
Dadashri: These are certainly the pride. The ego exists only in belief, it
effects of the past life; they are not effects is not at the level of gnan (knowledge;
of this life. The ego that is seen increasing conduct in this context). When it comes
and decreasing is all in the form of
into gnan, it is called pride. Where One is
discharge. It is not a newly formed one.
not a doer, there he believes, ‘I am the one
A new one is being charged within. This
who is doing it,’ that is known as egoism
old ego that is visible is being discharged.
(ahamkaar). Once the I-ness comes into
Hence, one cannot make the changes he
gnan, then that is known as pride. When
wishes to make today.
someone attacks or insults the ego, does
Where there is egoism there one is a it immediately become shattered or not?
‘spinning top’. ‘You’ are considered pure The effects of both pride and insult are
Soul, hence You cannot be considered a felt, aren’t they?
‘spinning top’. However, this Chandubhai
[term used by Dadashri to refer to the The Puzzle of the Effects of Words
relative self] is a ‘spinning top’! But the Questioner: I get affected when
effects of the mistakes that were made till someone says bad or negative things to me.
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Dadashri: He is only speaking, but (the awakened One) can ‘unravel’ it,
even if he were to beat you, depression and the second is that understanding can
[please note this is the depression of the ‘unravel’ it, these two can ‘unravel’ it.
ego, not clinical depression] should not Dadashri: ‘We’ have certainly
arise. If he were to keep you hungry for ‘unraveled’ it for You! What else is there
ten days and tie you up like a buffalo, in this? Should those words have an effect?
even then depression should not arise. If
someone were to say bad and negative Questioner: They really shouldn’t,
things, would that hurt you as well? A but right now, in this current fifth era
stone would hurt; when a stone touches of the time cycle, the effect of words is
you, it hurts. Hey mortal one, you were greater than that of a stone.
hurt by his speech? These people are of a Dadashri: But what I mean to say
different kind! Can that which is spoken is, can a verbal abuse actually touch you
hurt you? physically like this?
Questioner: If anyone else speaks, Questioner: Nevertheless, it strikes
even then it affects me. a wound within.
Dadashri: Oh dear! A person who Dadashri: But how can it touch
gets affected by words should not even be you? He spoke from over there, so how
here amongst us. How can words affect did it wound you over here?
you? Of course, if someone hits you with a ‘One’ is the owner of the entire
brick, then we can understand that you are universe, yet he has become entangled! If
bleeding, that you must be experiencing someone hurls an abuse at you or speaks
a burning sensation! to you in insulting language, even then
Questioner: But Dada, this feels you are getting affected. Hey, it is not
even worse than being hit by a brick. It a stone that it can come in contact with
is because I have believed it. you, touch you! These words themselves
reach you without a wire [connection]!
Dadashri: You can let go of what
People do not know anything about what
you have believed. As it is your belief!
this puzzle is!
Whoever has the belief, if he ‘unravels’
that ‘knot’, then he will be free of it. If The Effects of Wrong Beliefs
it is a belief about someone, then he can There is so much proximity between
‘unravel’ it. the Self and the body that the awareness
Questioner: But he will have to find of separation does not prevail. Illusion
the root cause of his belief, won’t he? Only (bhranti) arises. All the effects that arise
then can he be free of it, right? How can – that of cold, of heat, of hunger, of
he become free of it just like that? thirst; they do not happen to the Self.
The effects happen to the pudgal (the
Dadashri: No. Once the ‘knot’ is non-Self complex). However, the self
‘unraveled’, he becomes free of it. itself believes that, ‘The effect is indeed
Questioner: One is that the Gnani happening to me!’ Due to the property
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of the Self, the self becomes whatever it understand this! With understanding, all
imagines. No change takes place in the the solutions come about and One becomes
original element of the Self, change takes so ‘contained’ that He just Knows. The
place in the temporary state (avastha). In other person will continue to hurl abuses
actuality, the Self remains as the Self, but and You will continue to Know that, that
it [the pudgal] becomes affected, wrong is all. Can that not remain so? However
beliefs take hold within! much One understands, He becomes
‘contained’ by that much.
So many effects arise due to this
wrong belief, so imagine what sort of The extent to which One becomes
effect the right belief would have! The ‘contained’, there is that much freedom.
Knowledge through which One is not Freedom is experienced right here itself.
affected by the world is the Knowledge To become contained means to be in a
of the Self (Atma Gnan). liberated state, to become contained in
One’s own Real form as the Self (swaroop).
The Gnan Gives Results as the
Understanding Becomes Mature Understanding refers to that which
does not allow One to ‘trip and fall’.
Questioner: What spiritual practice Instead, One continues to ‘trip and fall’
needs to be undertaken to bring steadiness all day long and yet He believes, ‘I
in Gnan? understand, I Know.’ Hey You, what are
Dadashri: Spiritual practices are You referring to as understanding? What
not to be done. To bring steadiness in is the difference between understanding
Gnan, you only need to understand it. If and Gnan? As long as understanding does
something has to be done, then it does not not come into Conduct, until then that
become steady. When something has to be Gnan is referred to as understanding. That
done, naturalness (sahajata) leaves. It does understanding will gradually, automatically
not become steady. It must be understood, come into effect as Gnan. When it comes
then it will become steady. into Conduct, Know that it is Gnan. Until
then, continue to understand it.
Questioner: As time passes, does
this Gnan become stronger within? However solid One’s understanding
is, His development in Gnan continues by
Dadashri: As One understands it, that much. Do not worry as to when that
He becomes ‘contained’ [the understanding will happen. It will actually come into
leads to experience as the Self]. For us effect as Gnan on its own. Ignorance will
[mahatmas (Self-realized Ones in Akram leave on its own. Therefore, continue to
Vignan)], we just have to understand it. understand things here. The Gnan itself is
With the Gnan that I have given You, all doing the work; You do not have to do
the veils of ignorance over the Self have anything. The Gnan continues to work
broken, the sense of doership has left, all even when you are asleep, it continues
the causes have disappeared. Now, just to work even when you are awake, and
the effects remain. How are the effects it continues to work even when you are
to be suffered? For that, You should dreaming.
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Repay Your Karmic Accounts By Questioner: What does it mean to
Remaining in Gnan create new ‘loans’?
Since time immemorial, ‘transactions’ Dadashri: If someone says something
of the karmic ledger have been going on. insulting to you, then you may think, ‘Why
These [current worldly interactions] are is he speaking in this way to me?’ So you
ongoing karmic accounts from the past are creating a new ‘loan’ with him. While
karmic ledger. Just look, this mother- settling your karmic account, you ended
in-law and daughter-in-law didn’t know up creating a new karmic account. When
each other before, but after meeting, the he came to return an abuse you had hurled
‘transactions’ have carried on, haven’t they! before, you were supposed to accept it,
Prior to this, they didn’t even know each but instead, you hurled back five abuses
other. The mother-in-law had not seen the at him. You are not able to tolerate even
daughter-in-law’s face and the daughter-in- a single one, yet you hurled another five
law had not seen the mother-in-law’s face. abuses at him. One creates a new ‘loan’
However, what does the daughter-in-law and keeps getting entangled. This is how
say the first day she arrives? “I’ll show the entanglements are created. Now, how
you my face only if you give me this can the human intellect comprehend this?
much gold jewelry.” So, once they give
her the gold jewelry, she shows her face. If you cannot afford to do such a
Then they come to know, ‘She is in fact ‘business’, then do not hurl abuses back;
the one from whom we had borrowed, do not create a new ‘loan’. And if you
our account number ninety-seven.’ Then can afford this, then give five back.
they start the interaction of ‘giving and You Should Not Seek Justice in
taking’. Hence, on the first day itself, they Worldly Interaction
‘weigh’ the gold jewelry. What is more,
these in-laws happily and willingly give Worldly interaction (vyavahaar) is
it all to her. So see, even without having in the form of ‘give and take’. Let me
previously known each other, the entire explain it to you. Let’s say that your child
[karmic] account surely carries on! got married but you didn’t give anything
to one of your brothers, you didn’t send
Hence, we [mahatmas] need to him a serving of the food. So when that
understand the matter in brief. We may not brother’s child gets married, would you
have anything to do with it, nevertheless, expect to receive any food from him?
all of this is nothing but our karmic You wouldn’t, because that is the type
account. ‘You’ should remain in this Gnan of worldly interaction you had with
that ‘we’ have given You and gradually that brother. And if you receive sixteen
repay all these karmic accounts. laddus (Indian sweets) from one brother
What ‘we’ are trying to put across on the occasion of his child’s wedding
is that whatever comes your way is your and three laddus from another brother
own karmic account. Let it be ‘paid off’ on the occasion of his child’s wedding,
[cleared], and do not create any new then what should be in your awareness?
‘loans’ [karmic account]. ‘Even though it is not in my awareness
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today, I must have sent this brother only the one who believes, ‘I don’t make any
three laddus. My worldly interaction with mistakes,’ worldly interaction is there to
him must have been just that, I must have help him understand.
sent three, that is why I received three ‘You’ are the Knower and Seer
in return.’ One should not seek justice in
(Gnata-Drashta) of what the other person
worldly interaction. Worldly interaction
said, that he spoke harshly. ‘You’ are also
is in fact in the form of ‘give and take’.
the Knower and Seer of what you said.
This fan was spinning at full speed. And if you said something that ‘pierced’
Its regulator had gone bad. ‘We’ did not the other person like a thorn, if harsh
know this, so ‘we’ said, “Turn the fan words were spoken, then that came forth
down a little.” The other person replied, based on his worldly interaction. But if
“The fan isn’t slowing down.” So ‘we’ You are serious about going to moksha
immediately understood that this fan’s (liberation), then do pratikraman (to
worldly interaction is indeed like this, so confess, apologize and resolve not to
why should ‘we’ try to bring justice to it repeat a mistake) and wash it off. The fact
again? Hence, you shouldn’t seek justice that harsh words came out and the other
in worldly interaction. person was hurt is also worldly interaction.
We [mahatmas] have worldly Why did harsh words come out? It is
interactions with everyone [we come because today the worldly interaction
across]. We should understand that we between him and you unfolded. Even the
have brought forth straightforward worldly Lord accepts this worldly interaction.
interaction with this person, while with When the Boss Reprimands You…
this other person we have brought forth
Now the boss reprimands
complicated worldly interaction. When
Chandubhai, how can he reprimand You?
your own daughter talks back to you, that is
verily your own worldly interaction. Where Does he even know You? He reprimands
will you find justice in that? Whereas, Chandubhai. After the boss has reprimanded
even when you are not tired, your other Chandubhai, when you go back to your
daughter continues to massage your feet. office, You should tell Chandubhai, ‘You
That too is your worldly interaction. Don’t must have said something and that is why
seek justice in that either. he is reprimanding you! Why don’t you
calm down a little!’ Can You say that or
When you try to seek justice, you not? Besides, don’t bosses reprimand their
become trapped in that itself. Worldly staff nowadays?
interactions continue to unfold, and you get
exactly what you have brought forth [from Questioner: They do.
your previous life]. Whereas, seeking Dadashri: He may have come [to
justice shows you, ‘The other person the office] after fighting with his wife, so
should be like this and like that.’ Who is he took the frustration out on you. Does
justice for? For the one who understands, that not happen? Does he reprimand you
‘It is my mistake.’ Justice is there to help even if it is not your fault? ‘You’ should
him destroy that mistake. Whereas for continue to Know Chandubhai. ‘You’
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should Know what office work he is doing freeing you from that mistake. You should
and isn’t doing, and then You should not spoil your intent (bhaav) towards him.
even say to him, ‘Why are you doing it And you should say, ‘God, grant him the
this way? Why don’t you do the work right understanding.’ That is all you should
properly!’ What’s the problem in telling say. This is because he is a nimit.
him that? What problem do You have in
This World is Certainly Your Own
saying that? It is simply an adjustment,
Echo
otherwise nothing else would be achieved.
When You too say something like this, ‘We’ do not have the slightest
then the ‘mayhem’ will not spread. obstinacy. If someone points out ‘our’
mistake to ‘us’, then ‘we’ immediately
Questioner: When ‘I’ remain as the
accept it. If someone says, “This is your
Knower and Seer, should ‘I’ or should
mistake,” then ‘we’ reply, “Yes, dear
‘I’ not differentiate between whether
fellow, I am thankful to you for pointing
Chandubhai is behaving properly or not?
out my mistake.” ‘We’ keep in mind that
Dadashri: Whether Chandubhai is he pointed out ‘our’ mistake, so ‘we’ are
or not, You have nothing to do with it. grateful to him. Then ‘we’ do not set
‘You’ have to See whether You were able out to examine whether or not the fault
to remain [as the Knower and Seer] or actually exists; the fact that he can see
not. Chandubhai may or may not [behave it means that the fault is definitely there.
properly]; he may even become a defaulter. If it is written on the back of my coat,
‘You’ have nothing to do with that now. ‘Dada is a thief,’ then would the people
Words Will Not Hurt You Unless standing behind me say that or not? Why
You’re at Fault would they say, “Dada is a thief”? It is
because it is written on the back [of my
Questioner: If someone comes and
coat], a board has been placed, so they
says something insulting to me, then he is
are looking at that! It is when ‘we’ see
also a nimit (evidentiary instrument), isn’t
it that ‘we’ would realize, ‘Yes, a board
he? What if he insults me even when I’m
has been placed on my back.’ It may have
not at fault?
been someone else who had written it, but
Dadashri: In this world, a person everyone knows how to read, don’t they!
does not have the right to say anything to
The person who takes the
you if you are not at fault. Thus, the fact
responsibility for his own mistakes is
that he says such a thing is because of your
the true one, right? Do not cause tension.
mistake, he is giving you the payback of
Instead of causing tension, instead of
that. Yes, the mistake you made in your
finding the other person’s fault, take on
past life; this person is giving you the
payback of that mistake. He is a nimit and the responsibility for your own mistake!
the mistake is yours. That is certainly why Dada Put Out an Advertisement
he is saying such things to you. for Others to Slap Him for
Now, it is because of your mistake Compensation
that he is saying this. Thus, that person is If someone hurls abuse at you or
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says something you find insulting, then you You fretting over it? Someone else is in
are considered to have tremendous merit fact being insulted, and You are taking it
karma, otherwise, you would not get such personally! ‘You’ should certainly not feel
a thing, would you! Ten to fifteen years that ‘He insulted me’! Yes, no one should
ago, I used to say, “If anyone is in need insult You, but no one would anyways.
of money, then come and slap me, I will How would they even know You? No one
give you five hundred rupees in return.” knows You, do they! If they do, then it
One person turned up. I told him, “You are is only Chandubhai they know. The other
in need of money, aren’t you? You need a person most definitely doesn’t know You!
hundred, two hundred rupees? Then your Who will he insult? Ambalal
need will be satisfied today. I will give you Muljibhai [Dadashri’s relative name].
five hundred rupees under the condition Insult him as much as you want! It is not
that you slap me.” He replied, “No, Dada, as if ‘I’ have a permanent partnership with
I will not be able to do such a thing.” So him. He is My neighbor. If he cries, then
where can you even find someone to slap ‘I’ will pacify him.
you? Even if you hire someone to do it,
it may not work out. Nor is it guaranteed But the poor fellow cannot fall
that you can hire someone to hurl abuse asleep because he believes ‘I have been
at you. So a person who gets this free of insulted.’ Otherwise, there is tremendous
cost while sitting at home is considered energy within each and every Indian. The
to have tremendous merit karma, isn’t he! only thing missing is someone to reveal
This is because I couldn’t find anyone to it. Yet, just look at how helpless people
do it even when I was willing to pay five have become! Just look, the poor fellows
are standing in queues everywhere. They
hundred rupees.
have become so helpless! Otherwise, what
You Are Not the One Being Insulted were the people of this nation like? When
What happens when someone insults being spoken to or when being invited
this Chandubhai? You can’t fall asleep at [to come eat], if they felt the slightest bit
night, can you? You remain all shaken- insulted, then they wouldn’t even go to
up! Even people from the warrior caste eat. The people of this nation were indeed
get shaken-up by this. That person who like that! These people were such that they
insulted Chandubhai would have fallen gave a lot of importance to insult.
asleep, while this person who is all shook- Now if the fear of insult were to
up can’t sleep! If someone insults you, leave, then people living a worldly life
and you cannot fall asleep, then of what would become impudent. Therefore,
use is that? Of what use is that type of because the fear of insult exists, people
weakness? If someone insults you, why have remained respectful. Otherwise,
shouldn’t you sleep? And it is someone would these people remain respectful?
else who is being insulted, it is certainly Whereas, if the fear of insult leaves in the
not You. If someone were to insult You, Real, then a person becomes independent.
then You certainly shouldn’t tolerate it, Here [on the Akram path], when the fear
but he isn’t insulting You. Then why are of insult leaves, One becomes independent.
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So what sort of Gnan do ‘we’ want encountering him, I remember everything;
to give these people? Such a Gnan that that is referred to as a lingering effect.
no matter which country of the world a As it is, no one’s lingering effect leaves.
person visits, he will not get depressed by Even prominent ascetics and monks hold
anyone. He should not get depressed, that on to the lingering effect! If you were to
is how it should be. And a person who instigate them at night, then they would
causes depression to others will himself not speak to you for fifteen days. That is
inevitably become depressed. No matter a lingering effect!
how prominent the other person may be At night, if you were to have an
or even if it is the entire world for that argument with your wife, then the next
matter, how can anyone upset You? morning she would bang the tea cup on
Even After Fifteen Years, One the table while serving you. So you would
Cannot Forget That Lingering Effect realize, ‘Oh my, she hasn’t forgotten the
Everybody’s ego is different, and as incident from the previous night!’ That is
the light [of the Self] comes forth through referred to as a lingering effect. Thereafter,
the ego, that is why everyone’s intellect when she speaks, her speech would be
is different! The type of intellect one has associated with a link of abhorrence
is dependent on how one’s ego is; if a (tantili). If you had met a guilty person
person’s egoism is lighter [less], then his fifteen years ago, then you would not
intellect shines brightly, whereas for the remember him after that. But the moment
one who has a firm [excessive] ego, his you meet him again after fifteen years,
intellect works adversely. you remember him, everything becomes
‘ready’ [comes to mind]. That is called a
As the intellect increases, memory lingering effect.
increases, and so too does the excessive
suffering induced by the intellect! The If you saw someone fifteen years ago
intellect should be set aside; you shouldn’t and you were to meet him again today,
even follow what it says. Say there is a then you would recall having seen him
person [living] in your building, and if before. That is how this [internal] machine
you were to follow what he says, then you is. Each and every parmanu (particle of
would be disgraced. Then how many times inanimate matter) has the energy to ‘tape’
would you accept what he says? Once or [record]! The eyes have the energy to
twice, but after that you wouldn’t accept record a film! There is infinite energy
anything he says. The intellect makes you within! From this internal machinery
sensitive, it makes you emotional, so how alone, countless other machineries are
can you accept what it says? created! Therefore, this machine is
tremendously powerful.
A lingering effect (tanto) is such a
thing that had someone insulted me fifteen Why Take an Intense Mental Note
years ago and had I not come across that of Karma That Keeps Changing?
person for fifteen years, yet when I come When someone tells you something
across that person today, then simply upon [insulting], what is the justice in that?
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It was his unfolding karma that made don’t keep an intense mental note of that.
him say it. Now his unfolding karma And when someone hurls abuse at you
has ended and your unfolding karma has saying, “You’re useless, you’re unfit,”
ended as well. Now you have nothing to upon hearing this, you should not keep an
do with that. However, when you continue intense mental note of that. If he wants
to see him with a lingering effect, then to keep an intense mental note then he
you are extending the previous unfolding can. Why would you want to take on
karma! Therefore, you are creating an such agony? Getting an account-book and
entanglement. At that time, the other person making intense mental notes! The one
is going through another [unfolding] karma. who wants to maintain a ledger can make
Isn’t this something worth understanding? intense mental notes. You should not make
But it is a subtle point. intense mental notes. The other person can
There is no explanation that will say whatever he wants to. This is because
satisfy someone who harbors a lingering he will only be able to say something if he
effect, is there? And if people who harbor has a previous karmic account, otherwise
a lingering effect seek an explanation, then he won’t be able to.
when will that ever come to an end? ‘We’ do not make intense mental
So if someone insulted you yesterday notes. ‘We’ do tell the person directly to
and if you see that person today, then he his face, but then ‘we’ do not make an
should certainly be seen anew. And he intense mental note. To make an intense
actually is new, but if you cannot see that, mental note is a grave mistake.
then you are making a mistake. You are Therefore, don’t bring it to anyone’s
seeing him in a different form. However, attention, don’t complain to anyone, don’t
he is certainly new. When one [unfolding] do anything. If someone has insulted you,
karma ends, it means that he is certainly then you shouldn’t bring it to my attention
going through another [unfolding] karma. or complain to me. That will go in vain.
Would he be going through a new Whatever has happened is correct, it is
[unfolding] karma or would he be going justice, isn’t it! There is no doubt about
through that same [unfolding] karma? it, is there! Such is this spiritual Science,
Questioner: He would be going it is pure!
through another [unfolding] karma. When There Is No Interference
Dadashri: Whereas you would be in the Unfolding Karma, That is
prevailing in that same [unfolding] karma. Called Gnan
How disgusting is that! Do you ever When we interfere in the unfolding
make a mistake? Do you keep an intense karma, the intellect is prevailing, and when
mental note? we don’t interfere in the unfolding karma,
Intense mental notes are useless in Gnan is prevailing. This is the difference
this world. Intense mental notes cause between Gnan and the intellect.
nothing but harm in this world. When Questioner: Interference occurs
someone gives you a lot of respect, you only through the intellect, does it not?
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Dadashri: All this interference is God does not keep an account-book
only of the intellect. It is indeed this as to ‘Who took it? Who gave it? This
intellect that has caused all the confusion person gave it to that person and that
and mistakes. Gnan would not do anything person took it.’ ‘He’ is so wise! ‘He’
like this at all. There would certainly does not keep an account-book at all. The
be no interference where there is Gnan! accounts are all clear, the accounts are
Yes, Chandubhai may interfere, and Gnan all clear even without an account-book!
Knows this, therefore You are free. That is why I have said, “God does not
maintain an account-book, whereas the
Questioner: When those incidents intellect does. It meddles in the unfolding
arise, at that time ignorance arises and karma; it ‘sticks its finger’ in the unfolding
its effects also arise. But if ‘I’ want to karma. Hey! This person is giving based
remain in the state of Gnan, then how on his unfolding karma, while that person
can ‘I’ do that? is taking based on his unfolding karma. So
Dadashri: In fact, it is Chandubhai where is the need for You to meddle in
who remains in that [ignorance and its that? It is unfolding karma that is giving,
effects]; You should remain in this [Gnan]. isn’t it? And it is also unfolding karma
When You remain separate within, nothing that is taking. So in that case, where is the
else will touch You. That [ignorance and need to debit and credit anything? But this
its effects] is not going to improve. Now, is the interference of the intellect. If You
how can that which has solidified improve do not interfere in the unfolding karma,
even to the slightest? If You continue then that is called Gnan. Complete Gnan!
Seeing it, You are free from it. Here on this path, You certainly have some
Gnan, but when You do not interfere in the
Questioner: Whatever is unfolding karma, that is called keval Gnan
Chandubhai’s is going to continue to (absolute Knowledge)! ‘You’ certainly
discharge. have samyak Gnan (Knowledge that takes
Dadashri: The role (dharma) of the one towards the Real). But now, before
pudgal is different, the function of the Self attaining keval Gnan, will You not need
is different. The two have nothing to do all these kinds of things? ‘You’ indeed
with each other. How can You interfere have Gnan, but won’t all this hinder You
in someone else’s role? ‘You’ just have to from attaining keval Gnan?
See that ‘The pudgal is moving about with Hence, You should not interfere
this sort of intent.’ For the One who has in the unfolding karma. If someone is
learned how to See, everything [ignorance slapping you, then You should not say,
and its effects] goes away. And if One ‘Why are you slapping me?’ Whereas,
does not meddle in the unfolding karma, Chandubhai has the right to ask, “Why
His work is done. Moreover, if One has are you slapping me?” But You do not
meddled, then One should repent and have the right to. Even this Chandubhai
immediately let go of it, then He is very will say it based on the unfolding karma.
close to Gnan, and even then His work ‘You’ should remain as the Knower and
will get done! Seer. ‘You’ have to understand this, don’t
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You? Falsehoods are not acceptable on At Some Point or the Other, You
the path of the absolutely detached Lords! Will Have to See the World as
Falsehoods may be tolerated on other Flawless, Won’t You?
paths. This has been ‘spun’ very finely, it
You should live in such a way that
has been ‘spun’ very finely and put into
you do not bind any karma, you should
the ‘regular stage’ [into practice], and
maintain your distance from this world.
moreover, They [the absolutely detached
You have bound these karma, that is why
Lords] say it after Seeing it in keval Gnan.
you have come together with these people.
‘They’ would not unnecessarily say even
Who are these people in your family? It is
a single word. This is something that can
all the people with whom you have bound
be understood, can it not?
a karmic account, and so they may even
Questioner: But this can only tie you up and beat you! You may have
be understood if One has the complete decided, ‘I don’t want to speak with him,’
awakened awareness (jagruti) that ‘This but even then, that person will force you
is the unfolding karma.’ to talk. Hey, why are they forcing you to
Dadashri: Yes, otherwise One talk? That is called vengeance (ver). This
will not even understand that it is the is all vengeance from your past life! Have
unfolding karma. It is when a lot of you witnessed this anywhere?
awakened awareness remains that One Questioner: Yes, it is rampant
can understand that, ‘This is the unfolding everywhere!
karma.’ Some awakened awareness does Dadashri: That is why I am saying
remain for mahatmas. They do in fact have to leave all that and come to me. I will
this Gnan! They have attained Gnan, now give you what I have attained, and your
all that remains is to attain keval Gnan. work will be done and you will become
Questioner: What remains for the free. Otherwise, you will not become free.
attainment of keval Gnan? ‘We’ do not point out anyone’s faults;
Dadashri: ‘You’ should check to rather, ‘we’ take note of what this world is
See where the interference of the intellect like. I have Seen the world in all aspects,
still remains. There is no problem if I have Seen it through so many aspects.
Chandubhai is the doer of the interference The fact that anyone is seen at fault means
of the intellect. ‘You’ should simply not that some mistake of yours still remains.
become one with those interferences. At some point or the other, You will have
If You See them, then You are in Your to See [the world] as flawless, won’t
‘account’ [nature as the Self]. And if You You? All this is indeed because of your
lapse in Your ‘account’ [nature as the Self], karmic account. Even if You understand
then it can be said that You have interfered this much in short, then it will all be very
in the unfolding karma. It is Chandubhai’s useful to You. Therefore, if You want to
unfolding karma, but it should not be such become free, then You should accept and
that You become one with it, then it will credit whatever bitter or sweet repayments
not touch You. [abuses etc.,] come Your way. [Then] The
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past karmic account will be repaid. When then you should accept it. Accept it and
a person hurls an abuse at you, then is don’t carry out business with him again.
that an unnatural worldly interaction? It What is our incontrovertible principle
is a worldly interaction. When someone
(siddhant)? It is [to remain] positive, not
hurls an abuse at the Gnani, He becomes
negative. If someone comes at you with
happy knowing that He has become free
a sword and if you have a sword in your
from the bondage [of karma].
hand too, then you should put it down. If
Questioner: We now have to you want bitter things, then speak [bitter
develop the understanding of the vision words]. If you do not want them, then don’t
that the world is flawless, don’t we? speak [bitter words]. Even if someone hits
Dadashri: Had you not said anything you, do not say anything bitter to him. Say
to this ‘well’ [the other person], then there to him, “I am grateful to you.”
would have been no interference. Yet, you The Lord has said, “In the current
blame the other person by telling him, era of the time cycle, if someone hurls
“Why are you saying such things to me?” abuse at you, invite him over for dinner.
You took part in the wrongdoing, yet you There will be so much wildness that you
confront the ‘well’ by saying, “Why are should only forgive him.” If you try to
you hurling such abuse at me?” Then take any sort of revenge, then you will be
someone else will respond, “Hey, he hurled pulled back into worldly life again. There
abuse, but why don’t you say to the well, should be no taking revenge in the current
‘You are a king,’ then the well will also era of the time cycle. In this Dushamkaal
echo, ‘You are a king.’” That is all. All (an era of moral and spiritual decline
this is indeed your own projection. characterized predominantly by misery),
To Avoid Enmity, Let’s Remain there is nothing but wildness! There is
Positive certainly no telling what kind of thoughts
one will have. One will have all kinds of
If one is insulted even slightly,
thoughts! The living beings of this current
he will harbor enmity (ver) [towards
era of the time cycle are going to collide
that person] in his mind and go tell the
very much. If you bind vengeance with
police officer, “That person has stockpiled
such people, then you too will have to
canisters of oil in his house.” Hey, did you
collide. That is why ‘we’ are saying, “Sir, I
do this because you have enmity? Why
salute you!” In this current era of the time
did you reveal him to the police officer?
cycle, it is best to immediately forgive the
To take revenge! This is a negative ego.
other person, otherwise you will be pulled
A negative ego is considered a very [in with them]. Moreover, this world has
bad ego. The moment one looks to send persisted because of vengeance.
someone to jail, he has imprisoned himself!
It should be such that whatever nimit comes Questioner: There is a certain
your way, you should accept it. This is type of power that arises by asking for
because you have made mistakes in the forgiveness. What is that?
past, so if someone hurls abuse at you, Dadashri: If you want to gain
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strength in this world, then strength Questioner: Does it really reach
arises from both pratikraman (to confess, his Soul?
apologize and resolve not to repeat a Dadashri: Yes, it definitely reaches.
mistake) and asking for forgiveness. Then that Soul also passes the message
Alochana (confession of a mistake), on to the non-Self complex (pudgal),
pratikraman (asking for forgiveness for it) ‘Sir, there is a phone call for you.’ This
and pratyakhyaan (resolving to not repeat pratikraman of ‘ours’ is to be done for
that mistake) are the only things in this atikraman (to hurt any other living being
world that make you strong. Everything through the mind, speech, or body), not
else makes you weak. for kraman (activity of the mind, speech,
When Insulted, Pratikraman Is or body that does not hurt anyone).
Needed Questioner: Do I have to do a lot
Samkit means right vision. What of pratikraman?
does the wrong vision do? [It will say] Dadashri: The faster you want to
‘This person caused me a loss. This person construct a building; you have to hire those
caused me a profit. This person insulted many more bricklayers. It is like this, it is
me. This person gave me unhappiness. fine if pratikraman is not done for these
This person gave me happiness.’ There outsiders, but for those people around you
is no one out there who gives you and your close family members, a lot more
unhappiness or happiness! Everything is pratikraman should be done for them.
certainly within you.
If There Are No Objections, Then
When you are insulted, you should One Can Attain the Ultimate State
immediately understand that ‘I have made
If someone praises a person [who
a mistake. Only then would he insult
does not have Self-realization], then he
me!’ Hence, ask for forgiveness. Nothing
would develop attachment towards the one
happens on its own.
praising him. And if someone insults him,
Questioner: Even though the other then he would have abhorrence towards
person insults me, I still have to do that person. When a person praises you,
pratikraman for that? your merit karma is unfolding, and when
Dadashri: You should do a person insults you, your demerit karma
pratikraman only if he insults you; there is is unfolding. Fundamentally, in both cases,
no need to do it when he gives you respect. the other person has nothing to do with it.
Because when you do pratikraman, the The one speaking has nothing to do with
feeling of abhorrence towards the other it. The other person is merely a nimit. You
person will definitely not arise. On the will be praised by the nimit who is meant
contrary, it will have a good effect on to praise you, and you will be discredited
the other person. When the feeling of by the nimit who is meant to discredit
abhorrence does not arise, that indeed is you. They are merely a nimit. No one is
the first step, but later on, he will even at fault in that.
come to realize this. In this world, any person who causes
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any damage to you is a nimit in that. can bind You. If someone does bind You
Because you suffer the damage, you are like that, then there would be no end to
the one who is responsible. No one can it, would there? ‘You’ are independent, no
interfere with anyone at all; this world is one can bind You.
independent (swatantra) in this way. And
Speech Is a Taped Record
if anyone were able to do anything at all,
then there would be no end to the fear! Questioner: You have said that,
Then no one would let anyone else go to “‘You’ should become tested to the extent
moksha (ultimate liberation from all karma, that nothing in this world affects You.”
from the physical body, and the worldly Dadashri: Yes. When someone tells
cycle of birth and death). Then no one you, “You are stupid. You are a fool,”
would have let even Lord Mahavir go to that should not affect You. If someone
moksha! Lord Mahavir has actually said, tells me, “You have no sense,” then I will
“Whichever feelings you find suitable, say, “It is a good thing that you came to
have those feelings towards ‘us’. If you
know this. I have known this from the
have feelings of sexuality towards ‘us’,
very beginning. You came to know this
then have those of sexuality; if you have
today.” Then I would say, “Now tell me
feelings that are free of sexuality, then have
something else.” Then would a solution
those that are free of sexuality; if you have
come about or not?
religious feelings, then have religious ones;
if you have feelings of reverence, then Questioner: Only then will a
show reverence towards ‘us’; if you want solution come about!
to hurl abuse at ‘us’, then hurl abuse. ‘We’ Dadashri: If we wanted to measure
have no objection to that.” The One who this intellect, where would we get the
has no objection goes to moksha, whereas scales? Where would we get the weights?
those who object stay put over here. Where would we find a lawyer? Instead,
Otherwise, this world is such that it would be better to say, “Friend, you
it will keep binding negative and positive are right. I have no sense. You came to
intents towards you. If you are placing know this today. I have known this from
money into your pocket and a pickpocket the beginning. Come on, now tell me
happens to see this, then would he or something else.” Thus a solution comes
would he not have the intent to pick about for this.
your pocket? [He might have the intent,]
It is not worth holding onto what
‘There’s money in his pocket, I should
the other person says, and it is a ‘tape
swipe it.’ However, just then, the train
record’ [taped record] which is saying all
arrives, you board it and the train departs
and he gets left behind. But [people of] the words. Why worry when it is a [taped]
the world would certainly have such an ‘record’ speaking? When a [taped] ‘record’
intent! Nevertheless, if You don’t object to is playing, would there be a problem with
that, then there is no one who can bother that? What do you think?
You. If You do not concur with anyone Questioner: Then there would be
else’s intent, then there is no one who no problem. That is correct.
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Dadashri: Even if you injure “Speech is nothing but a [taped] ‘record’.”
yourself by this table, you don’t consider Then no matter what anyone says, or even
it to be at fault. But if someone hurts you, if an officer harshly reprimands you, it
then you see him or her at fault. If a dog should ‘fit’ [set in your understanding] that
barks at you but doesn’t hurt you, you put his speech is nothing but a [taped] ‘record’.
up with it. Similarly, if a person ‘barks’ at Then even if an officer is reprimanding
you but doesn’t hurt you, shouldn’t you you harshly, it will not affect you.
put up with it! All the problems arise from
The Solution to a Profound Puzzle
speech. In fact, all these illusions do not
Through Spiritual Science
leave because of speech itself. One will
say, “He is hurling abuse at me.” And so Questioner: What happens is that
the vengeance certainly does not leave! when this ‘tape record’ [taped record]
The entire world has perpetuated due to plays a little, at that time it feels like it is
speech. Had there been no speech, then the a ‘tape record’ [taped record]. But when
world would not be like this. Therefore, it plays a little longer, it becomes joined
speech is its main support. within, the separation that prevailed does
not remain.
Speech is nothing but a ‘tape record’
[taped record]. Even for a donkey it is a Dadashri: Nonetheless, all these are
‘tape’ [taped record]. When a donkey brays, matters to be cleared. Previously [before
it is a ‘tape’ [taped record], isn’t it! When attaining Gnan], you believed that ‘All
a human being is speaking, that too is a these people are the ones talking, and that
‘tape record’ [taped record]. It is a ‘tape is why I am feeling hurt.’ But now, You
record’ [taped record] when any living have come to Know that it is in fact a
being speaks. When I am speaking, that too [taped] ‘record’ that is playing. After You
is a ‘tape record’ [taped record] playing. attained the true Gnan, that is when You
Now when a ‘tape record’ [taped record] realized, ‘It is in fact a [taped] ‘record’
continues to play, “Chandubhai is a bad playing. It is a ‘file’ (Dadashri’s special
person, Chandubhai is a bad person.” Then term for karmic accounts that take one
would that affect you? No, it wouldn’t. away from the Self and into worldly
This is because it is not a human, it is not life). It is vyavasthit (a result of scientific
a living being, it is not chetan (a living circumstantial evidences).’
entity). Speech is entirely nishchetan (non- This world is such a profound
living; lifeless). Speech is not chetan at all. puzzle that no one has been able to solve
Hence, do not get angry at it. There is no it. The Tirthankar Lords (the absolutely
difference between this and a rock falling enlightened Lords who can liberate others)
off a hill [and hitting you]. solved it and left, and those who did
This spiritual Science is so beautiful Their darshan (live connection with an
that it does not hinder you in any way, enlightened One through eye contact) got
and it brings about an immediate solution. their spiritual work done. Those who did
But you should keep this spiritual Science darshan of the Lord with a strong intent
in your awareness, that Dada has said, and said to the Lord, “Shower me with
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grace,” they got their spiritual work done. that in Gnan. ‘You’ should also be able to
Otherwise, no one has ever solved this. See whether the speech is coming forth
This is a very, very, very profound puzzle! harshly or softly such that, ‘The speech
is still coming forth harshly.’ But that too
‘We’ have given you [mahatmas] a
is a [taped] record. ‘You’ should See that.
solution to this puzzle in a few parts, by
making it a short cut. ‘We’ have given it This is, in fact, a spiritual Science.
as a short cut, so now there is no problem Therefore, You have to understand this
is there! So if you want to go to moksha, Science. Science means science! There
then you will have to proceed according are no discrepancies in science. Science
to the Lord’s perspective. The Lord’s means there cannot be any contradictions!
perspective is that no one in this world is ‘You’ just have to understand it!
at fault whatsoever. Whereas if you want He Drinks Poison With a Smile…
to wander in the worldly life, then you will
have to proceed according to the worldly ‘You’ have become pure Soul, hence
perspective. The worldly perspective shows You have become kin to Neelkanth (the
that, ‘He did this. He did this to me.’ With blue-throated Lord Shiv, who drinks all the
that [perspective] you will have to wander poisons of the world, and in turn, blesses
here [in the worldly life]. And the Lord’s the one giving the poison). ‘You’ should
perspective is that no living being is at now ‘drink’ [accept] ‘poison’ [insults,
fault whatsoever. So if someone is hurling bitterness] with a smile. Everyone is
abuse at you, I have given You the Gnan ‘drinking’ it while crying. Can the people
that ‘It is a [taped] record playing. What of the world go without ‘drinking’ it? They
is his fault in that?’ And you will not feel are ‘drinking’ it while crying. They ‘drink’
it while hurling abuse at the other person.
bad about what the [taped] record has said.
‘You’ should ‘drink’ it while laughing.
This is the Lord’s perspective; moksha is
“Bring it here. What have you brought
attained through it. In fact, it is through
in this cup?” To that he will reply, “It is
ignorance that everyone believes ‘That
poison.” “Bring it here so I can drink it.”
person himself is the one speaking.’ That
And moreover, it is vyavasthit. If it was
is why they feel, ‘He is troubling me so
not vyavasthit, then I would have said,
much.’ But he is [actually] not saying
“Don’t drink it. Otherwise he will make a
anything. Therefore, ‘our’ Gnan is itself
habit of it.” The other person will make a
freeing You from all angles, and it is such
habit of serving ‘cups’ of ‘poison’. But no,
that it will keep You constantly in samadhi
it is vyavasthit. Where will the mortal one
(a blissful state that comes about when
get it [the ‘poison’] from? He had seven
one becomes free from mental, physical
‘cups’ [of ‘poison’]. Where will he get the
and externally induced suffering).
eighth one from? Even if you were to let
The relationship of the Knower him make a habit of it. Otherwise, what
(Gnata) and that which is to be Known do the people of the world say? “He will
(gneya) should remain. ‘What side is the make a habit of it. Therefore, beat him up
body remaining on? What are the gestures instead.” Hence, they will not allow him to
of the body?’ ‘One’ should be able to See make a habit of it. What do You have to
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do with that? If there are seven ‘cups’ [for [During the time of Lord Mahavir,
you to ‘drink’] in vyavasthit, then he will in the story of Gajasukumar it is
serve you seven ‘cups’. If he makes a habit said that:] Gajasukumar’s father-in-law
of it, then it will be a burden on him. The molded a ‘turban’ [pot] made of clay on
horns of a cow are a burden on the cow. Gajasukumar’s head, didn’t he? And he
If the horns of a cow grow big, then who placed burning coal in it. At that moment,
feels their weight? The cow does, doesn’t Gajasukumar understood that, ‘This is
it? While You become kin to Neelkanth! a circumstance that has come my way,
Understanding That Takes One moreover the sort of circumstance where
Towards the Real Allows One to my father-in-law has tied a ‘turban for
Prevail in Equanimity liberation’ on my head. Such a circumstance
has come before me.’ Now, he accepted
If you feel in your mind that, ‘It is not that, he believed that his father-in-law had
my fault, so why did she say that to me?’ tied a ‘turban for liberation’ on his head,
Then you will end up staying awake for and the father-in-law set the coal on fire
three hours at night, and you will eventually in the ‘turban’. Now Lord Neminath [the
get exhausted and fall asleep. When a twenty-second Tirthankar of the current
person’s wife reprimands him, then to spend half-cycle of time] had told Gajasukumar,
the night in that house is the greatest test “This [the Self; the embodiment of absolute
examination of all! Hence, moksha should Knowledge] is Your Real form, while these
be possible even while having a wife. circumstances are not Your Real form.
Moksha should be possible for a person ‘You’ are the Knower of the circumstances.
who takes verbal abuse from his wife and All the circumstances are objects to be
remains in equanimity (samata). Known.” And so, He remained as the
When a circumstance you dislike Knower even during those circumstances.
comes your way, if at that moment you And because He remained as the Knower,
push that circumstance away, then you He became free and He attained moksha
will become caught up in the entanglement as well.
once again. Therefore, instead of pushing
Lord Parshwanath’s State of
that circumstance away, clear it by
Equanimity
prevailing in equanimity. In either case,
that circumstance is certainly prone to Samata (to prevail in equanimity)
dissipate by its very nature. Therefore, it can be seen most profoundly in Lord
is indeed going to dissipate on its own, Parshwanath [the twenty-third Tirthankar
so there is certainly no hassle at all for of the current half-cycle of time]. A
you. And even if you try to take the [celestial being in the form of a] hooded
wrong path to avoid the circumstance you cobra was protecting Him, while another
dislike, time will not spare you. You will [celestial being named Kamath] was
certainly have to suffer a beating for that throwing stones at Him, pouring rain on
much time. Therefore, that circumstance is Him. ‘He’ had no attachment for the one
prone to dissipate by its very nature. Have protecting Him and He had no abhorrence
some patience and proceed on that basis. for the one throwing stones at Him; that
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is referred to as samata. It is referred to abhorrence) that the vengeance went away!
as samata from that point. Otherwise, Only the Lord could have tolerated the
these people [of the world] have taken externally induced afflictions (upsarga)
the meaning of the word ‘samata’ to a made by Kamath! The humans of today
lower level in their routine language. certainly do not have such capacity.
These people should certainly not use the Kamath made fireballs rain down on Lord
word ‘samata’. Samata arises only after Parshwanath, he threw large rocks at the
attaining Gnan, and before attaining Gnan Lord, he made heavy rain pour down on
if the word ‘samata’ is used, then it should the Lord; despite this, the Lord tolerated
not be used in this context. This samata everything by prevailing in equanimity,
is the samata of the vitaraag Lords (the and on top of that, the Lord blessed him
enlightened Ones free from attachment and and thus, washed away the vengeance.
abhorrence)! Whereas the other is sham
(to restrain) and upsham (to suppress). Vengeance of Ten Lifetimes Ended
And this type of samata is that of the With Samata
vitaraag Lords. It is not something that is Whatever you had given, that is
accompanied by a sense of doership. The indeed what the other person is giving
word ‘samata’ is referred to as tolerance by back, that is for sure. Lord Parshwanath
these people. For ascetics and high-ranking certainly knew that, ‘Whatever I had
Jain monks, it is all considered tolerance. previously given is certainly what he is
Samata of the vitaraag Lords is a very big
giving back.’ If the incitement within Him
thing. Samata is that which can be seen
had kept increasing, then the time frame
in Lord Parshwanath. When that celestial
for the vengeance to be cleared would
being came to protect Him, there was no
have extended.
attachment even to the slightest extent
towards him. And while that Kamath The incitement within Lord
was throwing stones at Him, there was Parshwanath did not increase and therefore
no abhorrence even to the slightest extent it was cleared in ten lifetimes.
towards him; such was [the state of] Lord
Questioner: Yet it went on for ten
Parshwanath! If such an internal state of
lifetimes, so it can’t be considered a short
being (dhyan) prevails even for a moment,
time, can it?
then that is more than enough! After that,
what else would be required? Dadashri: Do you know how many
If vengeance is bound with a single lifetimes these ten lifetimes are based on?
person, then it will ruin seven lifetimes. Questioner: I don’t know anything
That person will say, “I don’t want to about that.
go to moksha, but I will not let you go
Dadashri: They are equivalent to
to moksha either!” The enmity between
one strand of hair. Ten lifetimes are not
Lord Parshwanath and Kamath was such
even equivalent to one strand of hair.
that it lasted for ten lifetimes and it was
only when the Lord became vitaraag Questioner: Oh! Compared to
(absolutely free from all attachment and infinite lifetimes, it is considered nothing at
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all. So He continued to prevail in samata front of Him, Lord Mahavir did not do
in every lifetime? any other type of penance. The penance
Dadashri: That is when it got which presents itself in front of You should
cleared. Up until the first two or three not be pushed aside!
lifetimes, there were some shortfalls, He The Purusharth of Internal Penance
became irritated, and so it extended a
Questioner: What should the
little. This world is not such that complete
understanding be during penance?
samata can prevail. This Akram Vignan
(the spiritual Science of the step-less path Dadashri: ‘This is happening for
to Self-realization) is of a different kind, my benefit. Whatever Dada says is mine
and that is why it can prevail. is mine, and whatever Dada says is not
mine is not mine.’ Such separation is to
The Lord Himself Remained be made within.
Detached From the Effects
Questioner: There is so much
Weren’t wooden pegs pounded into
burning within, and it feels like ‘I’ will not
Lord Mahavir here [in His ears]! They
be able to tolerate it, yet from within ‘I’
were not nails but wooden pegs, and it
feel that, ‘This is beneficial, this is useful,
was painful. It was painful even for Lord
this [burning] should not to be put out.’
Mahavir. It would be painful for anyone,
That is then what prevails.
because as long as the body exists, the
effects of the body will continue to be Dadashri: The Gnan will not burn;
felt. ‘He’ [Lord Mahavir] did such penance the part that is ignorance (agnan) will
(tapa). By doing penance till the very end burn. Therefore, you should take care and
and by Seeing it with Gnan, He remained go to sleep. Let it burn, it is fine if it all
unaffected! There were very many who burns. The part which is Gnan will not
had enmity towards the Lord, but the Lord burn. ‘We’ give you that guarantee.
didn’t have any such parmanu. And that Internal penance actually makes One
is why He did not get affected at all! a God (Bhagwan). When there is internal
‘You’ should do penance, but the penance, then know that the four ‘pillars’
type that presents itself naturally at your of Knowledge (Gnan), Vision (Darshan),
door step. The kind that you do not have Conduct (Charitra) and Penance (Tapa)
to go looking for! People with great merit are all present; that becomes confirmed.
karma receive everything while sitting at When there is only Knowledge and Vision,
home. If someone shows up at your home then the four ‘pillars’ are not complete.
in a car and picks a fight with you, then Therefore, You have tremendous merit
You should Know that this is penance karma that internal penance remains for
that has naturally come at your door step! You. It cannot arise at will. Would it arise
[Such that] ‘Oh wow! This [penance] has if you were to instigate it? If someone
come looking for me at home!’ Therefore, were to grab your hand and say, “Where
You should do penance at that time. Apart are you going? Come with me,” then at
for the penance which presented itself in that time internal penance would arise.
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‘We’ are in constant penance. ‘Your’ Purusharth (Real spiritual effort to prevail
penance is gross penance, ‘ours’ is very as the Self) of the One who has become
subtle penance. But after this gross a Purush (Self-realized One). It is in fact
penance is complete, it will go from gross tremendous Purusharth. What Purusharth
to subtle, and then it will go from subtle remains after having become a Purush?
to subtler. Thereafter, Your penance will The answer is Knowledge, Vision, Conduct
come close to ‘our’ penance. and Penance!
So, You will understand all this the Questioner: Does penance not fall
more you listen to it. Where do You have under vyavasthit?
to do penance? In fact, where penance is
needed, you retaliate! You make others Dadashri: No. How can penance
do penance! Then the other person ends fall under vyavasthit? Knowledge,
up doing penance. Just settle it with Vision, Conduct and Penance cannot
equanimity! ‘We’ actually have nothing fall under vyavasthit. They are a matter
but penance night and day. ‘You’ have not of Purusharth. In vyavasthit there is
done any penance at all; you fall asleep prarabdha (the effect of past karma), and
soundly until the morning! all discharging things!
It is only when penance takes place The Perspective to Understand
that the experience (anubhav) will arise! Vyavasthit Blossoms Through
Otherwise, how will the experience arise? Penance
When it ‘heats up’ internally with regards ‘We’ have given the word vyavasthit.
to any matter, and You try to remain The word vyavasthit is such that it will
separate from it, then You will certainly get indeed keep You in nothing but moksha.
the experience with regards to that matter. Even these people are saying, “You have
Questioner: So for whatever matter given the word vyavasthit.” If One prevails
penance arises, do ‘I’ become free from only in the Knowledge of vyavasthit,
that? even then He will go to moksha! This
Dadashri: ‘You’ become free from [Knowledge of] vyavasthit that has
it, and You attain the experience of that. been given is so great, isn’t it! If One
That is precisely the experience of the Self, understands vyavasthit alone and persists
nothing else! Bliss and the illumination [of in Knowing, ‘This is vyavasthit and that
the Self] continue to increase, that is all. too is vyavasthit. He hurled abuse at me;
that too is vyavasthit. He slapped me;
Questioner: What is it that arises, that too is vyavasthit. And when he says,
that One has to do penance? “Please come,” that too is vyavasthit.’ At
Dadashri: When You try to do some places ‘we’ have to say, “So and so is
something against the mind, intellect, chit our brother. And this brother of ours is like
(the inner faculty of knowledge and vision) this, and he gives hundreds of thousands
and ego, then at that time they will push of rupees.” That too is vyavasthit. What do
harder, so You have to do penance there. ‘we’ have to do with that? It is in fact the
It will burn at that moment. This is the ‘tape record’ [taped record] that is speaking
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and ‘I’ Know that it is vyavasthit. ‘I’ do when Dada is away from you, You do not
not have anything to do with it. ‘I’ just have to ‘heat up’ [endure penance]. So
See what comes forth. then You do not progress as much. It is
Questioner: Okay. only when You ‘heat up’ [endure penance]
that You progress.
Dadashri: Have You been able to
establish some faith in vyavasthit or not? People tell ‘us’, “It is very difficult to
stay with you.” This is because ‘I’ remain
Questioner: A lot has been in awareness the whole day!
established. Everything is encompassed
in vyavasthit, the entire Gnan! Questioner: Yes, constantly, the
whole day, there is complete awakened
Dadashri: If someone tends to hurl awareness as the Self! If vyavasthit is
abuse at you, then you should go and face understood, then there is no misery at all.
him. This is because when he hurls abuse
at you, it is vyavasthit, and you going to Dadashri: But that [vyavasthit] is
face him is your karmic account. also worth Seeing.
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