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Is everyone okay in there?

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Agent Ford, FBI.

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Here, sir.

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We want to know what's going on.

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If you harm anyone, it
will not end well for you!

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Special Agent Holden Ford.

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- Ninkovich.
- Is he talking?

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Not making sense. Been briefed?

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On the way over. Five
people still in there?

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A security guard, the secretary,
three guys from the line.

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- Where is she?
- Take it easy, Mr. Miller.

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I want my wife!

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Put the gun down, step
away from Ms. Curtwell.

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- I have asked you...
- We need to see that everyone is unharmed.

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You gonna shoot me?

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If you do not abide by
our terms, and soon...

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You can't see me!

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I'm warning you, our
patience is wearing thin.

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How can you shoot what you can't see?

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Mr. Miller!

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No, thank you.

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Hey, Cody.

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My name is Holden. I'd like to help you.

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- Tell me what's going on.
- I gotta talk to my wife.

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- All right.
- She's the only one.

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I understand.
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For the moment, is there
anything else we can get you?

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Get these fucking people away.

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Okay.

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Okay...

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If I can get them to back off,

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will you... relax with Ms. Curtwell?

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Give us some time to reach your wife.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Keep the snipers.
Back out the perimeter.

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If he starts firing, we'll
have to storm the place.

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They're making me nervous.
Imagine what they're doing to him.

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He has no criminal history.
He's clearly having an episode.

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We need to keep him
calm and wear him down.

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Get rid of those reporters.

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All right, guys. Back it up!

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- All right. Let's go. Back it up.
- Move back.

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How am I doing?

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- You see me?
- Oh, God.

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Yes, I can see you!

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- What do you see?
- I can see that you're naked.

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I can see that you're cold.

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Is there a phone? Can
we get him on the line?

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- He's got it off the hook.
- That was his demand, talk to his wife?

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Took all day to find
her. She's on her way.

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- You're not bringing her.
- I want her to calm him.
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Her presence might have
the opposite effect.

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Hi, Mrs. Miller? Don't get out.

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I'm Holden Ford from the FBI.
Do you understand the situation?

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- Cody's got some people in there?
- What happened this morning?

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I don't know.

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I tried to get him sectioned on
Sunday, but I haven't seen him since.

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They told me he stole a
shotgun, robbed a liquor store?

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Was he delusional? Violent?

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He's not violent.

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He's been saying that he's
invisible for a while now.

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Truly invisible. He's
been seeing a doctor.

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Did the doctor diagnose him?

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Cody wouldn't tell me.
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He's taking medication,
but he might've stopped.

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- What kind of medication?
- I'm not sure.

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Here's his doctor.

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You tried to get him sectioned?

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He kept talking to
people that weren't there,

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saying they could see him.

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I told him I was gonna leave him
if he didn't go to the hospital.

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- You gave him an ultimatum?
- I'm sorry.

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- I feel awful.
- This is not your fault.

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Has he hurt anyone?

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Not that we know about. I'm
sending you along for now.

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Have someone call his doctor.

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Get his wife to tell
him she won't leave him.
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We need more information. Let's
see if we can get him on the line.

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Cody!

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Everything okay in there?

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I'd really like to know
what's going on in there.

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I promise you, we can work this out.

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Where's my wife?

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It's a difficult situation.
Taking a while to get her here.

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- She doesn't want to talk to me?
- That's not it.

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She is very worried about you.

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- You talked to her?
- On the phone.

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- Maybe you could talk to her on the phone.
- No!

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She has to be here.

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- I understand your frustration.
- What do you understand?
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Not being able to communicate
with a trusted loved one.

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What do you want to say to her?

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Why would I tell you?

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Maybe I can help.

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I don't think so.

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- Thank you.
- You're welcome.

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You followed procedure.
You did your job.

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You did everything by the book.

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He took hostages. He knew
there'd be consequences.

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- He thought he was invisible.
- You're not his shrink.

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You're not responsible for
diagnosing him. That's not your remit.

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These things happen in real time,
and we are the last responders.

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If an operation's gonna go south,
this is not the worst outcome.

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Stay focused on what we do.

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If I did everything by the
book, it begs the question...

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This place is pretty much

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the benchmark for excellence
in law enforcement.

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In the rest of the world, hostage
negotiation's on its way out.

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You think the Israelis bothered
to negotiate at Entebbe last year?

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You didn't lose one
hostage or bystander.

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That's how we measure success.

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And your courses are a
big hit in the summer.

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I actually think you
should be teaching more.

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- You're putting me out to pasture.
- No.

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I'm putting you to work
where it really counts.
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Despite what happened.

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Because of what happened, Holden.

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It seasoned you.

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Thank you, sir...

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but I'd rather not.

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Well, this is awkward.

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I'd like you to sleep
on it over the weekend...

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because you start full-time on Monday.

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This is how we find ourselves
completely out of control.

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The fugitive has already killed

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a police officer that morning in Austin.

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He's taken two nine-millimeter
rounds in the ass,

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grabbed a ten-year-old boy as a hostage,

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and he's holed up in
a suburban neighborhood
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crawling with women and small children.

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Now we must focus on one thing:

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de-escalation.

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San Antonio's chief of police
arrives and starts using a bullhorn,

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which more than effectively
intimidates our hostage-taker.

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Coming at anyone with an attitude
of "I'm right, you're wrong"

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assumes that they're of rational mind.

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We must establish communication.

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Non-threatening communication.

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Ascertain demands,

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concede nothing, reject
nothing, just listen.

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Listen to what he has to say.

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Try understanding him instead
of trying to dominate him.

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Look for common ground.

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Find commonality.

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And if it feels like
you're buying time, well...

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that's because you are.

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But it's the key to
making any perp feel heard.

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Our goal is no body bags.

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That is the hostage negotiator win-win.

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And I'm in my office on Friday
for anyone who has questions

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about the psychological strategies exam.

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Wanton, indiscriminate murder.

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Seemingly random, serendipitous.

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Each one, extremely violent.

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No explanation. No apparent reason.

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They weren't sexually assaulted,

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there was no attempt to
relieve them of valuables,

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they didn't know their assailant.

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Robert Violante and Stacy Moskowitz
were making out in their car

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when David Berkowitz walked up
and shot them both point-blank.

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Berkowitz killed six
people over two summers,

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wounding seven more. Why?

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Because a dog told him to do it.

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Now...

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we can say that the guy's crazy,

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or that he's pretending that he's crazy.

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But if we're looking for
a motive we can understand,

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we suddenly find there is none.

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It's a void.

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It's a black hole.
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Forty years ago, your FBI was
founded hunting down John Dillinger,

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Baby Face Nelson, Machine Gun Kelly.

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Criminals who thumbed
their noses at society,

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but were basically in
it for personal gain.

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Now, we have extreme
violence between strangers.

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Where do we go...

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when motive becomes elusive?

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Excuse me, Professor Rathman?

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Holden Ford, Hostage Negotiation.

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Peter. Hi.

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I listened in on your class earlier.

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What you were saying
about crime today...

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I don't know, it really resonates.

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- Gets attention.
- Were you teaching this before Berkowitz?

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A version of it. The headlines
kind of fell into my lap.

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What got you started?

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Starkweather. Whitman.
Manson, of course.

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But Son of Sam kind of epitomizes now.

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It's as if... we don't know anymore

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what moves people to kill one another.

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Used to be you find a
victim with 50 stab wounds,

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you look for the jilted
lover, the ex-business partner.

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Now... it could be a random
run-in with a disgruntled mailman.

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It's a different era. No
more "Just the facts, ma'am."

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That's television. And reruns.

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- Crime has changed.
- Right.
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Do you... want to grab a beer?

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Yeah, okay.

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Look at the unprecedented events

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that have occurred in the
past decade and a half.

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A president assassinated.

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Fighting an unpopular
war that we didn't win.

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National Guard killing
four college students.

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- You can hardly wrap your mind around it.
- Watergate.

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Our democracy is vanishing into what?

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Is that what all this is about?

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Just a response to turmoil?

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The government used to be,
symbolically, a parental institution.

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Now? It's a free-for-all.

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The world barely makes any sense,

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so it follows that crime doesn't either.

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You and I could theorize all night,

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but the truth is, I don't fucking know.

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- I don't know either.
- No one does.

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But we're supposed to, right?

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Sure, but here's the troubling thing:

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no one's even asking the questions.

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We are.

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We are.

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Mm!

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Next time, let's discuss
Lee Harvey Oswald as Oedipus.

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- Thank you.
- Anytime.

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- Hey.
- Hey.

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What are you looking at?

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I like your outfit.

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What is that, a jumpsuit?
What do you call that?

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- This? I call it a jumpsuit.
- Stylish.

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What do you call that?
You look like a Mormon.

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You look like my dad.

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Is he a Mormon?

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No, but he looks like one.

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So does mine.

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He bought me this suit,
as a matter of fact.

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Did he buy you those nice shiny shoes?

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Yes.

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I have one brown pair
and one black pair.

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I've got sneakers, but I
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What kind of grown-up lets their
parents choose their clothes for them?

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- Are you coming on to me?
- How do you like my approach?

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You having a good time?

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- I will be.
- Huh!

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It's my birthday today.

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Happy birthday. How old are you?

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- Twenty-four.
- You don't look old enough to be in here.

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- What are you, a narc?
- FBI, actually.

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Special Agent Holden Ford.

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Wow.

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- Can you tell?
- Everybody can tell.

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You got a gun?

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00:17:24,619 --> 00:17:26,830
I have one, but I'm not
gonna show it to you.

253
00:17:26,913 --> 00:17:27,931
Nuts.

254
00:17:28,665 --> 00:17:31,209
I'm a teacher. Right
up the road at Quantico.

255
00:17:31,293 --> 00:17:32,419
What do you teach?

256
00:17:33,295 --> 00:17:36,298
Hostage negotiation, such as it is.

257
00:17:36,381 --> 00:17:39,217
- Holy cow.
- You really think I look like a narc?

258
00:17:39,301 --> 00:17:41,469
- Are you kidding?
- I don't see it.

259
00:17:41,553 --> 00:17:43,263
You stick out like a sore thumb.

260
00:17:44,681 --> 00:17:48,435
Well, I'm not here to...
infiltrate the Black Panthers.

261
00:17:48,768 --> 00:17:52,439
Those guys are hardly Black Panthers.
They're engineering students.

262
00:17:52,897 --> 00:17:54,357
You should go talk to them.

263
00:17:54,441 --> 00:17:57,402
I'm sure the FBI's in need of
some great-looking black dudes.

264
00:17:57,485 --> 00:18:00,655
- You've got the wrong idea about me.
- You gonna book me?

265
00:18:00,739 --> 00:18:01,906
Maybe.

266
00:18:01,990 --> 00:18:03,033
Handcuffs?

267
00:18:08,204 --> 00:18:10,540
I'm here to see this really
cool band from Detroit.

268
00:18:11,082 --> 00:18:12,459
You ever been to Detroit?

269
00:18:13,251 --> 00:18:14,794
Yes, actually. I was a...

270
00:18:18,465 --> 00:18:20,925
I was a brick agent there
for a couple of years.

271
00:18:21,343 --> 00:18:24,679
I can't believe they're here.
They used to play PJ's in Corktown.

272
00:18:25,430 --> 00:18:26,848
- You know Corktown?
- Sure.

273
00:18:26,931 --> 00:18:29,392
- It looked like a furniture store.
- They always sold liquor.

274
00:18:29,476 --> 00:18:30,969
The whole furniture
thing was just a front

275
00:18:30,970 --> 00:18:32,854
that started during Prohibition.

276
00:18:32,937 --> 00:18:34,356
Where are you really from?

277
00:18:34,898 --> 00:18:36,566
Everywhere.

278
00:18:36,650 --> 00:18:38,318
But the Midwest, right?
279
00:18:38,401 --> 00:18:41,363
I grew up in the Midwest,
but I was born in Brooklyn.

280
00:18:41,446 --> 00:18:43,823
You do not seem like
a guy from New York.

281
00:18:44,908 --> 00:18:47,077
You don't seem like
a girl from Corktown.

282
00:18:50,163 --> 00:18:51,414
Buy you a drink?

283
00:21:36,871 --> 00:21:39,082
- What's your name?
- Debbie.

284
00:21:42,418 --> 00:21:44,838
- You want some pot?
- Is that a trick question?

285
00:21:44,921 --> 00:21:45,922
Come on.

286
00:21:46,297 --> 00:21:48,424
Are you serious? No, that's
completely inappropriate.

287
00:21:48,508 --> 00:21:50,260
Come on, it's my birthday.

288
00:21:50,343 --> 00:21:52,846
Oh, Jesus, you're not gonna
drink and drive, are you?

289
00:21:52,929 --> 00:21:54,389
You've been plying me with booze.

290
00:21:54,472 --> 00:21:56,766
Don't you think that's
kind of a mixed message?

291
00:22:01,104 --> 00:22:02,121
You coming?

292
00:22:20,039 --> 00:22:23,418
So what does a brick
agent get up to in Detroit?

293
00:22:23,918 --> 00:22:25,795
Mostly corralling Army deserters.

294
00:22:26,629 --> 00:22:29,132
Guys AWOL from Vietnam
trying to get to Canada.

295
00:22:30,425 --> 00:22:31,634
Too scared to go back.

296
00:22:32,302 --> 00:22:34,637
Young guys. Same age I was.

297
00:22:35,138 --> 00:22:36,723
So you were a snitch?

298
00:22:38,975 --> 00:22:40,977
There's worse things
than being a snitch.

299
00:22:44,063 --> 00:22:46,649
Maybe this'll loosen you up.

300
00:22:50,278 --> 00:22:51,904
God, you are making me nervous.

301
00:22:52,739 --> 00:22:54,324
You are such a goody-goody.

302
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:57,744
What are you, some kind of honey trap?

303
00:22:58,244 --> 00:23:00,288
I've been warned to watch
out for women like you.

304
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,249
You mean normal ones?

305
00:23:10,923 --> 00:23:13,509
So just put your mouth over the hole...

306
00:23:16,346 --> 00:23:17,972
Okay.

307
00:23:21,976 --> 00:23:23,436
And inhale.

308
00:23:47,210 --> 00:23:49,170
I don't want to talk to
somebody trying to calm me.

309
00:23:49,253 --> 00:23:51,005
- Get somebody in charge.
- I am in charge!

310
00:23:51,089 --> 00:23:53,601
I don't want to talk to some
flunky pig trying to calm me.

311
00:23:53,602 --> 00:23:54,884
What's he doing?

312
00:23:54,967 --> 00:23:57,095
- Will you get back over there?
- What are they there for?

313
00:23:57,178 --> 00:23:59,806
Will you get the fuck back?
Get back there, will ya?

314
00:23:59,889 --> 00:24:01,224
- Look at him!
- Get over there!

315
00:24:01,307 --> 00:24:03,935
- Go back there, man!
- Get over there, will ya?

316
00:24:04,018 --> 00:24:06,979
He wants to kill me so bad,
he can taste it! All right?

317
00:24:07,063 --> 00:24:09,691
Attica! Attica! Attica!
318
00:24:10,733 --> 00:24:13,903
Attica! Attica!

319
00:24:13,986 --> 00:24:17,031
Attica! Attica! Attica!

320
00:24:17,115 --> 00:24:20,743
I was so confused, I
was doing insane things.

321
00:24:22,286 --> 00:24:23,705
What sort of things, Leon?

322
00:24:28,626 --> 00:24:29,752
After the wedding...

323
00:24:31,087 --> 00:24:33,506
I ran off for ten days to Atlantic City.

324
00:24:35,007 --> 00:24:36,551
Sonny was frantic.

325
00:24:37,301 --> 00:24:38,594
He knew I'd been drinking,

326
00:24:38,678 --> 00:24:41,013
he didn't know where
I was, who I was with.

327
00:24:42,598 --> 00:24:45,351
Well, I couldn't
explain the things I did.

328
00:24:46,269 --> 00:24:47,895
So I went to a psychiatrist...

329
00:24:48,563 --> 00:24:49,689
who told me...

330
00:24:50,815 --> 00:24:54,277
that I was a woman
trapped in a man's body.

331
00:25:01,451 --> 00:25:03,703
So they were both homosexuals,
332
00:25:03,786 --> 00:25:05,037
but he was married,

333
00:25:05,121 --> 00:25:08,833
and his boyfriend wanted to
become a woman, which is confusing.

334
00:25:08,916 --> 00:25:11,335
- You really gotta get out more, Holden.
- It was mixed up.

335
00:25:11,419 --> 00:25:14,046
- You didn't like it?
- No, I really liked it.

336
00:25:14,130 --> 00:25:16,799
It was just so... sad.

337
00:25:16,883 --> 00:25:20,344
He was obviously very disturbed,
but somehow I liked him.

338
00:25:20,428 --> 00:25:22,638
- Yeah, you have empathy.
- Yeah.

339
00:25:23,389 --> 00:25:24,474
Empathy.

340
00:25:25,016 --> 00:25:27,810
I really liked the dialogue.
It was just very real.

341
00:25:27,894 --> 00:25:29,187
When I started at the Academy,

342
00:25:29,270 --> 00:25:32,148
they would send women out of the
room if there was any of that talk.

343
00:25:32,231 --> 00:25:34,484
They called it "deviant terminology."

344
00:25:34,567 --> 00:25:36,819
We even had a list of
words we had to memorize.

345
00:25:36,903 --> 00:25:38,613
Really? Which words?

346
00:25:39,989 --> 00:25:41,032
You know...

347
00:25:41,115 --> 00:25:44,494
fuck, shit, pussy... blow job.

348
00:25:46,579 --> 00:25:47,613
Oh, fuck.

349
00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:49,056
Shit.

350
00:25:51,667 --> 00:25:53,085
Finger my pussy.

351
00:25:54,921 --> 00:25:57,131
Finger my pussy, I'll
give you a blow job.

352
00:26:00,885 --> 00:26:02,845
All the bad words used in a sentence.

353
00:26:11,395 --> 00:26:13,397
It's classic he said-she said.

354
00:26:13,481 --> 00:26:15,464
He says she hit her head on the bedpost

355
00:26:15,465 --> 00:26:17,485
having consensual sexual intercourse.

356
00:26:17,568 --> 00:26:18,820
She says he knocked her out

357
00:26:18,903 --> 00:26:21,155
and dragged her into this
motel room to rape her.

358
00:26:21,239 --> 00:26:23,518
We know she didn't hit
her head on that bedpost

359
00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:25,201
because we've measured.

360
00:26:25,284 --> 00:26:27,078
Where do you propose you would go?

361
00:26:27,161 --> 00:26:29,080
University of Virginia
in Charlottesville.

362
00:26:29,163 --> 00:26:30,164
Studying what?

363
00:26:30,248 --> 00:26:33,709
Contemporary Applied Criminal
Psychology. Ratchet things up a notch.

364
00:26:33,793 --> 00:26:35,795
What exactly is it you
think you're missing out on?

365
00:26:35,878 --> 00:26:37,713
We need to know the
current academic thinking.

366
00:26:37,797 --> 00:26:39,757
No, you don't want to
rely on academics, Holden.

367
00:26:39,841 --> 00:26:42,260
I'm not saying rely, just get updated.

368
00:26:42,343 --> 00:26:43,678
We just got updated.

369
00:26:43,761 --> 00:26:47,014
It's all in the library.
1972, everything was new.

370
00:26:47,098 --> 00:26:48,808
That was five years ago.

371
00:26:49,976 --> 00:26:51,310
What's the thinking now?
372
00:26:51,394 --> 00:26:52,603
Okay, look.

373
00:26:53,563 --> 00:26:56,107
There have been some fine
psychological studies over the years,

374
00:26:56,190 --> 00:26:59,735
but these are people who don't
understand the criminal mind.

375
00:26:59,819 --> 00:27:01,631
They understand their
corner of the world,

376
00:27:01,632 --> 00:27:03,156
which is a very small corner.

377
00:27:03,239 --> 00:27:05,575
Well, they must know something.

378
00:27:10,329 --> 00:27:11,789
I'm going to level with you.

379
00:27:13,082 --> 00:27:16,419
I'm going to tell you something
I really don't want you to repeat.

380
00:27:17,128 --> 00:27:22,216
As far as the Bureau is concerned,
psychology is for backroom boys.

381
00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:25,511
You understand what I'm trying to say?

382
00:27:27,305 --> 00:27:29,015
No. What's a "backroom boy"?

383
00:27:30,808 --> 00:27:32,351
It's just frowned upon.

384
00:27:34,687 --> 00:27:36,772
We should be using
every resource we can.
385
00:27:38,357 --> 00:27:39,765
Talking to the smartest people we find

386
00:27:39,766 --> 00:27:41,861
from the broadest possible spectrum.

387
00:27:41,944 --> 00:27:44,405
- And we do.
- Otherwise, it's like the military.

388
00:27:44,488 --> 00:27:46,991
- Hey, we recruited Elvis.
- So did the military.

389
00:27:47,074 --> 00:27:48,826
The King doesn't do it for you?

390
00:27:48,910 --> 00:27:50,995
Hoover died over five years ago,

391
00:27:51,078 --> 00:27:54,916
and we're still recruiting
accountants and lawyers like it's 1946.

392
00:27:54,999 --> 00:27:57,168
Actually, recruitment has tapered off.

393
00:27:57,251 --> 00:28:00,296
- We can't get accountants.
- Well, then we're in trouble.

394
00:28:01,088 --> 00:28:03,382
All right. I'll scratch your back

395
00:28:03,466 --> 00:28:05,676
and recommend funding for
you to audit a few classes,

396
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,055
but you will be expected to use
the opportunity for recruitment.

397
00:28:09,972 --> 00:28:11,933
Speakers, lecturers, great minds.

398
00:28:12,016 --> 00:28:15,561
- Are you sure you want me doing that?
- You're smart, you're idealistic...

399
00:28:15,770 --> 00:28:16,938
more than a little sensitive.

400
00:28:17,521 --> 00:28:18,689
They're gonna love you.

401
00:28:42,838 --> 00:28:45,341
- Hare Krishna.
- Hare Krishna.

402
00:28:46,592 --> 00:28:49,345
- Hare Krishna.
- And then, in 1872,

403
00:28:49,428 --> 00:28:54,308
Italian physician Cesare Lombroso
drags us out of the Dark Ages

404
00:28:54,392 --> 00:28:57,103
and launches the scientific
era in criminology

405
00:28:57,770 --> 00:29:01,107
by differentiating
five criminal classes:

406
00:29:03,025 --> 00:29:04,318
the born criminal,

407
00:29:05,444 --> 00:29:06,946
insane criminal,

408
00:29:07,822 --> 00:29:09,448
criminal by passion,

409
00:29:10,491 --> 00:29:11,909
habitual criminal,

410
00:29:12,285 --> 00:29:14,954
and the occasional criminal.

411
00:29:15,037 --> 00:29:17,665
In other words, there are
those that are born that way

412
00:29:18,165 --> 00:29:20,459
and those who become that way.

413
00:29:20,543 --> 00:29:22,461
And in 1965, there's
this other breakthrough.

414
00:29:22,545 --> 00:29:24,380
This criminal psychology
research project

415
00:29:24,463 --> 00:29:28,301
at Bellevue psychiatric hospital
in New York couched it like this:

416
00:29:28,384 --> 00:29:31,304
personality and character

417
00:29:31,387 --> 00:29:35,725
far outweigh the presence of
psychotic or defective diagnoses.

418
00:29:35,808 --> 00:29:38,561
In other words, by extrapolation...

419
00:29:39,395 --> 00:29:40,855
are criminals born...

420
00:29:42,356 --> 00:29:44,150
or are they formed?

421
00:30:05,004 --> 00:30:06,172
Do you mind if I sit?

422
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:07,665
You're sitting.

423
00:30:11,677 --> 00:30:13,804
You know, I wasn't aware
of that project at Bellevue.

424
00:30:13,888 --> 00:30:15,723
Well, you should be.
425
00:30:16,724 --> 00:30:19,435
Where I come from, criminals
are always born that way.

426
00:30:19,518 --> 00:30:21,354
Some people will never
stop believing that.

427
00:30:22,355 --> 00:30:23,939
- It's too easy.
- It lets us off the hook.

428
00:30:24,023 --> 00:30:25,900
Well, essentially
we're a puritan nation.

429
00:30:25,983 --> 00:30:29,236
We blame all our problems
on a minority of bad apples.

430
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,739
What's your name again?
I'm sorry. Is it Leon?

431
00:30:31,822 --> 00:30:32,982
Buchanan.

432
00:30:33,624 --> 00:30:34,700
Leo.

433
00:30:34,784 --> 00:30:35,818
Holden.

434
00:30:36,410 --> 00:30:38,537
- Holden Ford.
- I know who you are.

435
00:30:39,497 --> 00:30:40,498
Everybody does.

436
00:30:40,581 --> 00:30:41,640
Yeah.

437
00:30:42,750 --> 00:30:44,752
I've noticed some of the
looks I've been getting.

438
00:30:44,835 --> 00:30:47,713
Funny looks isn't a
federal offense... yet.

439
00:30:48,381 --> 00:30:49,882
Yeah, they're just curious.

440
00:30:50,341 --> 00:30:51,509
Well, I'm not a spy.

441
00:30:51,926 --> 00:30:53,260
This isn't some kind of cover.

442
00:30:53,344 --> 00:30:57,139
Good. Because that... would have
been a really pathetic cover.

443
00:30:58,099 --> 00:31:01,268
I'm actually an instructor
too, but I'm just here to learn.

444
00:31:01,352 --> 00:31:04,230
And I'm here to talk to people like you.

445
00:31:04,313 --> 00:31:05,731
What do you want to talk about?

446
00:31:05,815 --> 00:31:08,192
I want to start a dialogue with you.

447
00:31:08,275 --> 00:31:09,443
Would be that okay?

448
00:31:10,236 --> 00:31:11,612
A dialogue about what?

449
00:31:12,154 --> 00:31:13,706
I'm an instructor in
the Bureau's training

450
00:31:13,707 --> 00:31:15,908
and recruitment program out of Quantico.

451
00:31:15,991 --> 00:31:18,828
And we really need to
hear from people like you.

452
00:31:18,911 --> 00:31:22,998
I'm sorry, are you trying to recruit me?

453
00:31:23,082 --> 00:31:25,751
Just to hear your
perspectives and your insights.

454
00:31:28,129 --> 00:31:30,756
I understand...

455
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:33,843
perfectly.

456
00:31:36,345 --> 00:31:39,765
I'm sorry. You call yourself a
professor of criminal psychology.

457
00:31:40,349 --> 00:31:43,310
But you won't even talk to
the educational arm of the FBI?

458
00:31:43,394 --> 00:31:44,453
It's just...

459
00:31:45,271 --> 00:31:46,647
a sign of the times, man.

460
00:31:48,732 --> 00:31:51,485
- Lost your appetite?
- Do these fucking hippies

461
00:31:51,569 --> 00:31:53,170
seriously believe that they're worthy

462
00:31:53,171 --> 00:31:55,281
of an enormously costly, labor-intensive

463
00:31:55,364 --> 00:31:57,199
federal surveillance operation?

464
00:31:57,283 --> 00:31:59,326
It sounds like the contempt is mutual.
465
00:31:59,702 --> 00:32:00,917
Don't you think that the traditional

466
00:32:00,918 --> 00:32:03,414
counterculture-law enforcement enmity

467
00:32:03,497 --> 00:32:05,124
is a little old hat by now?

468
00:32:05,624 --> 00:32:08,794
They'll never forgive you for
putting a tail on John and Yoko.

469
00:32:09,628 --> 00:32:11,490
Frankly, I'm surprised to have aroused

470
00:32:11,491 --> 00:32:13,091
such a degree of fucking neuroses

471
00:32:13,174 --> 00:32:15,217
amongst supposedly intelligent people.

472
00:32:15,301 --> 00:32:17,595
Please, they're flattering themselves.

473
00:32:20,181 --> 00:32:22,057
They think you're wearing a wire.

474
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:27,313
There. You're one of us now.

475
00:32:27,396 --> 00:32:31,150
Okay, everything's all right.
Come on. Right. Yeah. Okay.

476
00:32:33,277 --> 00:32:35,154
- Come on out, Sonny.
- They're too close!

477
00:32:35,237 --> 00:32:37,865
Come on, get back! What the
fuck are you doing? Get back!

478
00:32:37,948 --> 00:32:38,968
Get them back.

479
00:32:38,991 --> 00:32:40,868
- Get back, okay?
- Come here.

480
00:32:41,577 --> 00:32:42,870
Come on out.

481
00:32:42,953 --> 00:32:45,080
Now take a look at this. Come on.

482
00:32:45,623 --> 00:32:47,374
Hey, look. Look up here. Look.

483
00:32:48,626 --> 00:32:49,685
Look.

484
00:32:50,586 --> 00:32:52,171
Look over here. Huh?

485
00:32:56,967 --> 00:32:59,428
Over there. Look. You
got everything here, okay?

486
00:33:09,563 --> 00:33:12,107
Okay. So what are they doing wrong?

487
00:33:12,691 --> 00:33:15,778
- They're making him mad.
- They're making him scared.

488
00:33:16,237 --> 00:33:19,990
- So?
- We do not want him scared.

489
00:33:20,074 --> 00:33:22,660
We want him calm.

490
00:33:28,874 --> 00:33:30,229
Let me call and see what they say.

491
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:32,920
I'll talk to them and ask, all right?

492
00:33:33,003 --> 00:33:35,047
Then we'll see. Anything
else I can give you?

493
00:33:39,093 --> 00:33:41,512
Yeah, I want you to
bring my wife down here.

494
00:33:42,429 --> 00:33:43,806
Okay, what do you give us?

495
00:33:44,056 --> 00:33:45,057
What do you want?

496
00:33:47,393 --> 00:33:51,981
The guy is robbing a bank to pay
for a sex change for his boyfriend.

497
00:33:52,064 --> 00:33:54,400
He wants a helicopter with a piano.

498
00:33:54,942 --> 00:33:58,487
But more than anything, he
wants to talk to his wife.

499
00:34:00,281 --> 00:34:02,700
- Complicated, right?
- Yeah.

500
00:34:03,117 --> 00:34:04,451
Trust me on this.

501
00:34:05,286 --> 00:34:08,747
Always expect complicated.

502
00:34:08,831 --> 00:34:10,457
Okay, I need you to concentrate.

503
00:34:10,541 --> 00:34:13,919
Think of an opening salvo,
then think where it could lead.

504
00:34:14,587 --> 00:34:15,921
No right or wrong answers,

505
00:34:16,005 --> 00:34:18,924
just use your imagination
and see where it takes you.

506
00:34:19,383 --> 00:34:21,176
Start whenever you like. Go ahead.

507
00:34:24,054 --> 00:34:26,932
All right. I'm asking you
to put the gun down, Mike.

508
00:34:27,016 --> 00:34:28,892
No way. Kiss my black ass, Mark.

509
00:34:28,976 --> 00:34:30,269
Wait, what?

510
00:34:30,811 --> 00:34:33,772
For the purpose of this
exercise, I'm imagining I'm Negro.

511
00:34:35,482 --> 00:34:37,537
That's good. That's fine. Keep it going.

512
00:34:37,538 --> 00:34:39,320
Just whatever comes into your head.

513
00:34:40,446 --> 00:34:41,447
Okay.

514
00:34:42,114 --> 00:34:44,116
Then fuck you! I asked
you to put that gun down.

515
00:34:44,658 --> 00:34:46,577
No, fuck you, you dumb
cracker motherfucker.

516
00:34:46,660 --> 00:34:48,329
Wait, wait a minute. What is all that?

517
00:34:48,412 --> 00:34:49,538
It's jive talk.

518
00:34:49,622 --> 00:34:51,874
We don't need to get into
that. Forget vernacular.
519
00:34:51,957 --> 00:34:54,335
In real life, people
just press their demands.

520
00:34:54,418 --> 00:34:55,436
All right?

521
00:34:56,420 --> 00:34:57,671
Um...

522
00:34:58,797 --> 00:35:01,216
Uh... put the gun down, Steve.

523
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,511
We brought your children to see you.

524
00:35:04,595 --> 00:35:05,634
You what?

525
00:35:05,638 --> 00:35:10,643
Oh, my God. I lost custody. I
haven't seen my children in years.

526
00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:12,886
Okay, good.

527
00:35:13,729 --> 00:35:15,473
Important not to talk to a divorced man

528
00:35:15,474 --> 00:35:17,650
about his children. Different tactic.

529
00:35:20,319 --> 00:35:23,489
All right, I asked nicely.
Now put the fucking gun down.

530
00:35:23,572 --> 00:35:25,491
- Why don't you make me, faggot?
- What?!

531
00:35:25,949 --> 00:35:27,284
I'm no faggot, motherfucker!

532
00:35:27,368 --> 00:35:29,745
Okay, let's dial it back a little.

533
00:35:29,828 --> 00:35:31,830
Excuse me. What is the point of this?

534
00:35:31,914 --> 00:35:33,165
Great question.

535
00:35:33,248 --> 00:35:35,834
Psychologically
preparing you for reality.

536
00:35:35,918 --> 00:35:38,295
And the reality is, you
have to talk to them.

537
00:35:38,379 --> 00:35:41,048
Somebody demands the impossible,
you can't just shoot him.

538
00:35:41,131 --> 00:35:42,758
Then why have so much firearms training?

539
00:35:42,841 --> 00:35:45,844
Well, because that is a tactical
response for when all else fails.

540
00:35:45,928 --> 00:35:48,055
But if local law enforcement
can't shut something down,

541
00:35:48,138 --> 00:35:50,641
then it has required
a tactical response.

542
00:35:50,724 --> 00:35:53,143
Okay, but wouldn't you like
to try something different?

543
00:35:53,352 --> 00:35:56,021
Or would you rather use
firearms all the time?

544
00:35:57,606 --> 00:36:00,025
- I'd kind of rather use firearms.
- Why?
545
00:36:01,610 --> 00:36:02,669
Seems safer?

546
00:36:06,990 --> 00:36:09,618
Holden, I enjoyed that
immensely. What do you call that?

547
00:36:09,702 --> 00:36:12,621
It's just role-playing in a
simulated hostage situation.

548
00:36:12,705 --> 00:36:14,248
- Stimulated?
- Simulated.

549
00:36:14,331 --> 00:36:16,625
All that profanity, is
that an academic thing?

550
00:36:16,709 --> 00:36:19,169
They're improvising. They're
learning to create a dialogue.

551
00:36:19,253 --> 00:36:21,255
How is all that cursing
creating a dialogue?

552
00:36:21,338 --> 00:36:22,798
It's not really about the cursing.

553
00:36:22,881 --> 00:36:25,968
I'm sure it's all quite modern and
fashionable in academic circles,

554
00:36:26,051 --> 00:36:28,178
but it seems very theatrical to me.

555
00:36:28,262 --> 00:36:30,139
Well, in criminal psych,
role-playing exercises

556
00:36:30,222 --> 00:36:32,933
are considered a valuable tool,
with or without the cursing.

557
00:36:33,016 --> 00:36:35,728
I think we have enough
exercises here at the Academy.

558
00:36:36,228 --> 00:36:38,147
If you're going to start
implementing new ones,

559
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:40,190
talk to somebody in the
Behavioral Science Unit.

560
00:36:40,191 --> 00:36:41,191
They can help?

561
00:36:41,191 --> 00:36:44,361
They can go over the soundness of
the psychology. That's their thing.

562
00:36:44,445 --> 00:36:45,821
Okay, good idea.

563
00:36:45,904 --> 00:36:47,990
- Why don't I set that up?
- Okay.

564
00:36:48,073 --> 00:36:49,616
Thank you, yes.

565
00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:08,427
Holden, right? Holden Ford?

566
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:09,510
Hi.

567
00:37:09,553 --> 00:37:11,430
Bill Tench. Behavioral Science.

568
00:37:11,513 --> 00:37:13,182
Oh, great to meet you.

569
00:37:13,766 --> 00:37:16,518
- You had a beer with Peter Rathman?
- Interesting guy.

570
00:37:17,019 --> 00:37:19,772
I was kind of disturbed by what he said.
571
00:37:19,855 --> 00:37:20,873
You were, huh?

572
00:37:21,899 --> 00:37:24,485
- Can we sit?
- Yes. Please.

573
00:37:30,741 --> 00:37:33,243
- Smoke?
- Oh, uh...

574
00:37:33,327 --> 00:37:34,787
I don't smoke when I eat.

575
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:36,121
Want to go outside?

576
00:37:37,748 --> 00:37:39,583
I don't smoke when I don't eat either.

577
00:37:43,879 --> 00:37:46,173
So did Shepard talk
to you about my thing?

578
00:37:46,423 --> 00:37:47,466
He did his best.

579
00:37:48,467 --> 00:37:49,468
What does that mean?

580
00:37:50,177 --> 00:37:52,721
He can be pretty old school.

581
00:37:54,264 --> 00:37:57,726
I call this place "the country
club," because, you know,

582
00:37:57,810 --> 00:37:59,728
it can be a little starchy sometimes.

583
00:38:00,604 --> 00:38:01,855
I hear that.

584
00:38:03,690 --> 00:38:05,275
You went back to college, right?

585
00:38:07,903 --> 00:38:09,863
How old are you, 26, 27?

586
00:38:09,947 --> 00:38:11,006
Twenty-nine.

587
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:13,075
That's interesting.

588
00:38:13,575 --> 00:38:15,369
Lot of guys your age don't
want to go back to school

589
00:38:15,452 --> 00:38:18,038
because they feel it
undermines their authority.

590
00:38:18,664 --> 00:38:21,416
I was hoping it would
give me some authority.

591
00:38:22,584 --> 00:38:24,211
He's got you doing recruitment, right?

592
00:38:24,294 --> 00:38:28,757
Yeah, well, I'm there, so I
might as well make myself useful.

593
00:38:29,883 --> 00:38:31,885
Most guys don't want to
get stuck doing recruitment.

594
00:38:31,969 --> 00:38:33,971
They're busy working their way upwards.

595
00:38:34,513 --> 00:38:36,723
I guess I'm busy
working my way sideways.

596
00:38:37,724 --> 00:38:40,978
You are what they call a "blue
flamer." You know what that is?

597
00:38:42,479 --> 00:38:43,564
No. What does that mean?

598
00:38:43,647 --> 00:38:44,940
You're so eager to do good,

599
00:38:45,023 --> 00:38:47,943
you have a big, blue flame
shooting out of your asshole.

600
00:38:48,777 --> 00:38:51,697
Oh... is that bad?

601
00:38:52,114 --> 00:38:54,658
Just take it slow. You'll
get there in the end.

602
00:38:56,702 --> 00:38:58,954
I'm just trying to be
a better instructor.

603
00:39:00,831 --> 00:39:03,542
Right. Well, I was thinking about that.

604
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:06,545
I started this thing
a couple of years ago.

605
00:39:06,628 --> 00:39:09,715
I go on the road and give classes
in various police departments

606
00:39:09,798 --> 00:39:12,551
from Buffalo, New York
to San Diego, California.

607
00:39:13,010 --> 00:39:15,470
There's a million cops out there
who want to know what we know.

608
00:39:15,971 --> 00:39:19,057
So I go to them, give them a
distillation of what we teach here,

609
00:39:19,141 --> 00:39:20,726
and they tell me what
they've been doing.
610
00:39:20,809 --> 00:39:21,894
They learn something,

611
00:39:21,977 --> 00:39:25,355
and I learn something firsthand
by getting involved on their level.

612
00:39:26,023 --> 00:39:27,399
But it's a big job, you know?

613
00:39:27,482 --> 00:39:29,651
I'm up to my neck in
local law enforcement.

614
00:39:32,446 --> 00:39:34,031
Would you want some help with that?

615
00:39:36,575 --> 00:39:38,076
Maybe we could help each other.

616
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,340
What?

617
00:39:51,423 --> 00:39:52,499
Nothing.

618
00:39:57,137 --> 00:39:58,597
Don't be shy.

619
00:39:59,097 --> 00:40:00,223
Did you orgasm?

620
00:40:00,307 --> 00:40:01,725
Did I orgasm?

621
00:40:01,808 --> 00:40:02,809
What?

622
00:40:03,393 --> 00:40:06,855
- I can't believe you're from New York.
- You could be faking, right?

623
00:40:07,105 --> 00:40:08,941
You can't tell if a woman is faking?
624
00:40:09,024 --> 00:40:11,193
I can't even tell if
a woman is interested.

625
00:40:11,860 --> 00:40:14,988
But you can tell if somebody's
lying, like a suspect.

626
00:40:15,072 --> 00:40:16,782
That is not the same thing.

627
00:40:16,865 --> 00:40:18,742
Pretend I'm a suspect.

628
00:40:18,825 --> 00:40:21,328
Use your powers of
deduction, Agent Ford.

629
00:40:22,537 --> 00:40:24,012
How can you figure out the criminal mind

630
00:40:24,013 --> 00:40:26,291
if you can't figure out your girlfriend?

631
00:40:27,709 --> 00:40:28,961
Are you my girlfriend?

632
00:40:29,378 --> 00:40:32,881
Wait. Is this another of those
things you just can't tell?

633
00:40:33,423 --> 00:40:35,634
I don't know. Are you?

634
00:40:36,218 --> 00:40:38,804
What do you need, an exchange
of rings over milkshakes?

635
00:40:38,887 --> 00:40:40,806
I just didn't want to presume anything.

636
00:40:41,264 --> 00:40:43,684
Really, Holden, sometimes
you're like a monk.

637
00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:47,604
Surely people in law enforcement
shouldn't be so naive.

638
00:40:47,688 --> 00:40:49,272
Does it make you uncomfortable...

639
00:40:50,565 --> 00:40:52,067
sleeping with a federal agent?

640
00:40:54,820 --> 00:40:56,238
Where did that come from?

641
00:40:58,782 --> 00:41:00,117
Does it turn you on?

642
00:41:01,660 --> 00:41:02,828
Not at all.

643
00:41:08,125 --> 00:41:09,501
Then why are you with me?

644
00:41:10,836 --> 00:41:12,337
You're smart.

645
00:41:14,965 --> 00:41:16,508
You're nice.

646
00:41:17,384 --> 00:41:18,593
Okay.

647
00:41:19,761 --> 00:41:21,930
What? Those are good things.

648
00:41:24,766 --> 00:41:26,852
And you're devastating.

649
00:41:28,353 --> 00:41:29,479
Well, thank you.

650
00:41:30,272 --> 00:41:31,690
Oh, come on, you're not leaving.

651
00:41:32,941 --> 00:41:34,317
I have to get up early.
652
00:41:34,901 --> 00:41:36,611
Tomorrow's the first day of school.

653
00:41:37,195 --> 00:41:39,489
Ninety-nine plus KFMH,

654
00:41:39,490 --> 00:41:42,951
Muscatine, Davenport in Iowa Central...

655
00:41:53,962 --> 00:41:55,047
♪ Hold the line ♪

656
00:41:58,884 --> 00:42:01,720
Today might be a baptism of
fire. They're gonna be on edge.

657
00:42:01,803 --> 00:42:03,388
- Just follow my lead.
- What happened?

658
00:42:03,805 --> 00:42:05,932
They caught a big case
and they're spooked.

659
00:42:06,016 --> 00:42:07,476
Don't talk to any reporters.

660
00:42:08,185 --> 00:42:11,271
And please, for God's sake,
don't say we're from the FBI.

661
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:18,487
♪ It's not in the words ♪
♪ That you told me, girl ♪

662
00:42:24,242 --> 00:42:27,204
Excuse me, gentlemen. I'm
from the Fairfield Chronicle.

663
00:42:27,287 --> 00:42:29,414
You gentlemen are from
the FBI, is that right?

664
00:42:29,498 --> 00:42:31,083
How are things with the Jeffries case?
665
00:42:31,166 --> 00:42:32,793
No idea what you're talking about.

666
00:42:32,876 --> 00:42:34,461
The Jeffries case. Ada Jeffries.

667
00:42:34,544 --> 00:42:37,631
- You can come back for the rest.
- The woman found behind the church.

668
00:42:37,714 --> 00:42:40,300
- We're here for something else.
- The woman and her little boy.

669
00:42:40,383 --> 00:42:41,760
We're instructors.

670
00:42:41,843 --> 00:42:43,303
Are you from the Methodist church?

671
00:42:43,386 --> 00:42:45,388
Do we look like we're
from the Methodist church?

672
00:42:45,472 --> 00:42:46,531
Yes.

673
00:42:46,973 --> 00:42:47,974
Make a hole.

674
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:50,727
Good to see ya.

675
00:42:51,937 --> 00:42:54,147
Motive, means, opportunity.

676
00:42:54,231 --> 00:42:57,609
The three pillars of criminal
investigation for the last century.

677
00:42:58,193 --> 00:43:01,738
But it's 1977, and
suddenly motive is elusive.

678
00:43:03,406 --> 00:43:04,783
What, why, who.

679
00:43:05,325 --> 00:43:08,203
"What happened?" "Why
did it happen that way?"

680
00:43:08,286 --> 00:43:10,122
"Who did it?"

681
00:43:11,164 --> 00:43:14,292
A person is murdered. Not
sexually assaulted, not robbed.

682
00:43:14,668 --> 00:43:16,711
But the body is mutilated posthumously.

683
00:43:17,212 --> 00:43:19,881
The question is not only
why did the killer do it,

684
00:43:19,965 --> 00:43:22,050
but why did the killer do it this way?

685
00:43:23,135 --> 00:43:27,222
We are now talking about... psychology.

686
00:43:30,267 --> 00:43:33,228
When I'm involved in
a hostage negotiation,

687
00:43:33,311 --> 00:43:35,564
the perpetrator is standing
right in front of me,

688
00:43:35,647 --> 00:43:38,900
but I have to gauge how much
destruction he's capable of,

689
00:43:39,401 --> 00:43:41,767
what in his background or personal life

690
00:43:41,768 --> 00:43:43,665
that could've triggered
today's standoff.

691
00:43:43,738 --> 00:43:45,282
Some people are just crazy, right?

692
00:43:45,824 --> 00:43:47,993
Crazy in that they have
no reason for what they do?

693
00:43:48,076 --> 00:43:49,411
- Yeah.
- Okay.

694
00:43:49,494 --> 00:43:51,305
But keep in mind,
often, this crazy person

695
00:43:51,306 --> 00:43:53,955
has never done anything
like this before.

696
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,834
Something just... flips.

697
00:43:56,418 --> 00:43:58,295
- Like a switch.
- Good, a switch.

698
00:43:58,795 --> 00:44:00,255
Anybody know what flips it?

699
00:44:01,214 --> 00:44:03,508
- Getting fired?
- Fired. Yes.

700
00:44:03,592 --> 00:44:04,968
- Getting dumped.
- Absolutely.

701
00:44:05,051 --> 00:44:07,262
A romantic breakup is a top trigger.

702
00:44:07,762 --> 00:44:11,558
When we know who the criminal is,
we can understand what set him off.

703
00:44:11,641 --> 00:44:13,852
In a homicide situation,
we do the inverse.
704
00:44:14,269 --> 00:44:18,607
We ask, "What happened?
Why did it happen that way?"

705
00:44:18,690 --> 00:44:20,817
Which narrows the search for who did it.

706
00:44:21,318 --> 00:44:24,613
But what if our killer is
someone who's not rational?

707
00:44:31,286 --> 00:44:33,205
Why do we behave the way we do?

708
00:44:34,748 --> 00:44:38,835
It's a question asked by poets,
and philosophers, and theologians

709
00:44:38,919 --> 00:44:40,545
since time immemorial.

710
00:44:40,962 --> 00:44:44,799
The playground of Shakespeare,
Dostoyevsky, Freud.

711
00:44:44,883 --> 00:44:46,516
The stuff of Crime and Punishment

712
00:44:46,517 --> 00:44:48,470
and Beyond the Pleasure Principal.

713
00:44:49,721 --> 00:44:50,883
The greatest minds in history

714
00:44:50,884 --> 00:44:53,975
have been fascinated by
the vagaries of behavior.

715
00:44:56,519 --> 00:44:59,342
So, in a case where we can't immediately

716
00:44:59,343 --> 00:45:01,524
divine a motive, we shouldn't panic.

717
00:45:02,233 --> 00:45:04,069
It's a riddle, but it can be solved.

718
00:45:04,152 --> 00:45:08,031
It's complex, but... it's human.

719
00:45:10,325 --> 00:45:12,327
Thank you, Holden.

720
00:45:13,495 --> 00:45:15,538
That was very... illuminating.

721
00:45:18,667 --> 00:45:21,211
So what the hell's Beyond
the Pleasure Principle?

722
00:45:21,294 --> 00:45:24,130
- By Freud?
- So this is about sex?

723
00:45:24,214 --> 00:45:26,800
Actually, it's where he looks
for human impulses beyond sex,

724
00:45:26,883 --> 00:45:28,927
- specifically the death drive.
- What's that?

725
00:45:29,010 --> 00:45:31,972
Something my kid does
with a stick shift.

726
00:45:32,055 --> 00:45:34,516
Freud suggests that there's an
innate desire for destruction,

727
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:36,893
based on the propensity
for matter to return...

728
00:45:36,977 --> 00:45:38,937
- What does this have to do with motive?
- Well...

729
00:45:39,354 --> 00:45:43,358
we've always looked at motive
as need or greed, right?
730
00:45:43,441 --> 00:45:46,319
- Guy steals a TV to sell it to buy drugs.
- Exactly.

731
00:45:46,403 --> 00:45:49,406
But let's say, while he's at it,
he steals your wife's panties, too.

732
00:45:49,489 --> 00:45:51,199
If he stole my wife's
panties, I'd be amazed.

733
00:45:51,282 --> 00:45:53,827
Well, he's not selling those.

734
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:56,204
So why does he do it?
Is it merely prurient?

735
00:45:56,287 --> 00:45:58,790
He could be motivated by something
he doesn't even understand.

736
00:45:58,873 --> 00:46:01,126
Our new quest, like Freud,

737
00:46:01,209 --> 00:46:04,796
is to look beyond what we
assume are obvious impulses.

738
00:46:04,879 --> 00:46:06,548
So why didn't you just say that?

739
00:46:11,261 --> 00:46:14,431
They don't want to learn.
What are we even doing here?

740
00:46:14,681 --> 00:46:16,558
Don't make it too complicated.

741
00:46:16,808 --> 00:46:18,018
What's wrong with complicated?

742
00:46:18,101 --> 00:46:20,979
There's complicated and
there's too complicated, Holden.

743
00:46:24,190 --> 00:46:27,110
We used to do this experiment
in social psychology.

744
00:46:27,652 --> 00:46:28,987
Uh-huh. What was that?

745
00:46:29,362 --> 00:46:32,991
You get onto a crowded elevator,
and you face the opposite direction,

746
00:46:33,074 --> 00:46:36,578
the back of the elevator,
and everybody freaks out.

747
00:46:37,078 --> 00:46:40,415
They're uncomfortable for reasons
they can't even articulate.

748
00:46:41,499 --> 00:46:45,837
But if you turn around and face
the front, everybody relaxes.

749
00:46:46,421 --> 00:46:49,049
Okay. Well, how do we do that?

750
00:46:51,968 --> 00:46:53,344
What do we have in common?

751
00:46:55,472 --> 00:46:56,681
What unites us?

752
00:46:58,683 --> 00:47:01,561
What keeps us all awake at night?

753
00:47:05,398 --> 00:47:09,194
Monster. Right?

754
00:47:10,153 --> 00:47:11,571
I think we can all agree.

755
00:47:13,656 --> 00:47:15,492
But what do you really know about him?
756
00:47:16,367 --> 00:47:19,079
Did you know that his mother
was a jailbird and a prostitute?

757
00:47:19,454 --> 00:47:21,122
Did you know when he was ten years old,

758
00:47:21,206 --> 00:47:24,042
she palmed him off onto his
sadistic, Bible-thumping uncle

759
00:47:24,125 --> 00:47:25,967
who beat him within an inch of his life

760
00:47:25,968 --> 00:47:28,713
and taunted him to act like a man?

761
00:47:29,547 --> 00:47:31,508
Charles responded to
that by becoming a pimp

762
00:47:31,591 --> 00:47:34,302
and an armed robber, and was
incarcerated for over 20 years,

763
00:47:34,385 --> 00:47:36,387
where he continued to be brutalized.

764
00:47:36,471 --> 00:47:41,309
In 1967, he was paroled,
during the Summer of Love.

765
00:47:42,102 --> 00:47:43,478
And our nightmare began.

766
00:47:50,985 --> 00:47:52,403
- Jesus!
- Come on!

767
00:47:54,656 --> 00:47:58,034
Here we have a child who was
unwanted, unloved, regularly beaten,

768
00:47:58,118 --> 00:47:59,869
and repeatedly institutionalized.
769
00:47:59,953 --> 00:48:03,998
Now, might this not have had
some sort of an effect on him?

770
00:48:04,666 --> 00:48:07,085
- He was born that way.
- What way?

771
00:48:07,669 --> 00:48:10,213
- Just bad.
- Can we be a little bit more specific?

772
00:48:10,296 --> 00:48:12,507
Technically, he didn't kill anybody.

773
00:48:12,590 --> 00:48:15,927
Look at those eyes. How can
you not say that dude's evil?

774
00:48:16,010 --> 00:48:19,681
That's a little bit Old
Testament, don't you think?

775
00:48:19,764 --> 00:48:23,518
Good, evil, black, white, it's easy.

776
00:48:23,893 --> 00:48:26,729
But who in this room
has a life that's easy?

777
00:48:27,564 --> 00:48:30,066
Circumstances affect behavior.

778
00:48:30,733 --> 00:48:32,777
When we look at Manson's background,

779
00:48:32,861 --> 00:48:36,322
the real question is, how could
we not have seen this coming?

780
00:48:36,406 --> 00:48:37,465
We did.

781
00:48:37,907 --> 00:48:39,075
I'm sorry?
782
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:42,620
He was institutionalized
because we could see it coming.

783
00:48:42,704 --> 00:48:45,623
Okay, but I'm saying maybe, just maybe,

784
00:48:46,166 --> 00:48:49,002
locking him up his young life
helped make him what he was.

785
00:48:49,085 --> 00:48:50,795
- No.
- What the fuck?

786
00:48:50,879 --> 00:48:53,256
They locked him up
because of what he did.

787
00:48:53,339 --> 00:48:54,799
They already knew what he was.

788
00:48:54,883 --> 00:48:57,969
Okay, guys, I'm not asking anybody
to feel sorry for Charles Manson.

789
00:48:58,052 --> 00:49:00,805
If he were here, I'd shoot
him dead. No one would stop me.

790
00:49:00,806 --> 00:49:01,806
Right.

791
00:49:01,806 --> 00:49:04,017
What Holden's trying to
say is maybe it's both.

792
00:49:04,100 --> 00:49:06,269
The one impacting on the
other in a vicious circle.

793
00:49:06,352 --> 00:49:08,521
Nobody has all the answers.

794
00:49:08,605 --> 00:49:11,524
- We have some answers.
- We should be asking questions.

795
00:49:11,608 --> 00:49:12,859
No shit.

796
00:49:12,942 --> 00:49:15,361
Well, I'll just tell my
buddies in Robbery-Homicide

797
00:49:15,445 --> 00:49:17,697
who were there when
the corpses were found,

798
00:49:17,780 --> 00:49:21,034
that they may have overlooked
a difficult upbringing.

799
00:49:21,117 --> 00:49:22,493
You were LAPD?

800
00:49:22,577 --> 00:49:23,912
Twenty-two years.

801
00:49:25,163 --> 00:49:26,289
You worked Manson?

802
00:49:26,372 --> 00:49:28,583
No, but I knew every single man who did.

803
00:49:29,959 --> 00:49:31,753
How many homicides have you worked?

804
00:49:35,506 --> 00:49:38,384
Figure out who you're talking
to before you tell a sob story

805
00:49:38,468 --> 00:49:40,220
about little Chuckie Manson.

806
00:49:40,303 --> 00:49:42,555
They wrote "pigs" on the
wall in their victims' blood.

807
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:44,182
They completely missed my point.
808
00:49:44,265 --> 00:49:47,560
In the future, ask if anyone's
worked a case before you bring it up.

809
00:49:47,644 --> 00:49:50,480
- Know your fucking audience.
- Oh, shit.

810
00:49:51,439 --> 00:49:53,733
It's okay, they always do this.

811
00:49:53,816 --> 00:49:55,568
Just be a good listener.

812
00:49:55,652 --> 00:49:56,669
Gentlemen.

813
00:49:58,238 --> 00:49:59,239
Frank McGraw.

814
00:50:00,198 --> 00:50:02,200
I didn't mean to embarrass
anybody back there.

815
00:50:02,283 --> 00:50:03,409
Not a problem.

816
00:50:03,493 --> 00:50:05,578
We're all a little tense around here.

817
00:50:05,662 --> 00:50:08,346
You must have heard
about the mother and child

818
00:50:08,347 --> 00:50:09,347
who were murdered recently.

819
00:50:09,415 --> 00:50:12,210
- Ada Jeffries and her boy.
- We've seen reporters.

820
00:50:13,419 --> 00:50:15,004
She was bound,

821
00:50:15,088 --> 00:50:17,382
stabbed repeatedly
about the chest and face.

822
00:50:18,049 --> 00:50:19,300
The boy's throat was cut.

823
00:50:19,384 --> 00:50:22,387
Rough one.

824
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:26,307
I don't understand entirely what
you're talking about with psychology.

825
00:50:27,684 --> 00:50:30,103
I don't understand much
of anything anymore.

826
00:50:30,186 --> 00:50:31,771
What's on your mind, Frank?

827
00:50:34,065 --> 00:50:36,651
- I hate to bother.
- No, by all means. Bother us.

828
00:50:43,116 --> 00:50:46,995
When I left Los Angeles, I
thought I'd gone far enough.

829
00:50:49,789 --> 00:50:53,293
Ada was the kind of woman who
wouldn't say boo to a goose.

830
00:50:53,835 --> 00:50:56,587
She came from a deeply
religious family in Arkansas.

831
00:50:57,130 --> 00:50:59,924
When they found out she was
pregnant, they put her out.

832
00:51:00,425 --> 00:51:02,969
She lived in a rooming
house in Libertyville.

833
00:51:03,052 --> 00:51:07,599
No drugs, no alcohol, never
had a brush with the law.
834
00:51:08,349 --> 00:51:10,518
The boy was polite and quiet.

835
00:51:11,185 --> 00:51:13,938
She had him in Sunday school
at the Methodist church.

836
00:51:14,272 --> 00:51:17,442
She would sweep the steps every evening,

837
00:51:18,359 --> 00:51:19,777
just to be of service.

838
00:51:21,529 --> 00:51:22,864
I never met Ada.

839
00:51:23,581 --> 00:51:24,657
Every now and again,

840
00:51:24,741 --> 00:51:27,452
I'd see her and her son walk
along the road into town.

841
00:51:28,536 --> 00:51:29,746
They didn't have a car.

842
00:51:32,457 --> 00:51:34,208
Landlady found the bodies.

843
00:51:37,253 --> 00:51:38,504
They had been dead...

844
00:51:40,715 --> 00:51:41,716
four days.

845
00:51:47,972 --> 00:51:49,807
What people won't do to each other.

846
00:51:50,975 --> 00:51:52,560
Nothing people won't do.

847
00:51:54,687 --> 00:51:55,897
How can we help?
848
00:51:58,649 --> 00:52:01,652
She was found cuffed
and lashed to the bed.

849
00:52:02,278 --> 00:52:04,572
A broomstick perforated her rectum.

850
00:52:05,573 --> 00:52:07,825
Whoever it was made the boy watch,

851
00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:11,204
then did the same thing to him.

852
00:52:12,455 --> 00:52:13,498
How'd he get in?

853
00:52:13,873 --> 00:52:16,667
Bathroom window. We think
that's how he came and went.

854
00:52:17,251 --> 00:52:18,711
There was no sign of forcible entry.

855
00:52:19,462 --> 00:52:21,547
- No one heard a peep.
- In a rooming house?

856
00:52:21,631 --> 00:52:25,259
My assumption is, he held a knife
to the boy to keep her quiet,

857
00:52:26,094 --> 00:52:27,303
and vice versa.

858
00:52:27,387 --> 00:52:29,764
This falls clearly into
the category of lust murder.

859
00:52:29,847 --> 00:52:31,557
By that I mean it's sexually motivated.

860
00:52:31,641 --> 00:52:34,102
That cannot be about horny.

861
00:52:34,185 --> 00:52:35,897
It's more about sexual gratification

862
00:52:35,898 --> 00:52:37,939
through the annihilation of another.

863
00:52:38,272 --> 00:52:41,025
- Did you find semen?
- Found some on a throw cushion.

864
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:44,112
It was blood type O. I
know that's not much help.

865
00:52:44,195 --> 00:52:45,947
- In the victims?
- No.

866
00:52:46,823 --> 00:52:49,117
- He didn't rape them.
- He could have problems with sex.

867
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,451
That'd be a good bet.

868
00:52:50,535 --> 00:52:52,161
Could narrow things with your suspects.

869
00:52:52,245 --> 00:52:53,788
I don't have suspects.

870
00:52:53,871 --> 00:52:56,833
I don't have fingerprints, shoe prints,

871
00:52:56,916 --> 00:52:58,709
not so much as a single hair.

872
00:52:59,177 --> 00:53:00,211
Well...

873
00:53:00,294 --> 00:53:02,755
The fact that the killer left
nothing behind is interesting.

874
00:53:02,839 --> 00:53:04,882
It must have been
premeditated to a degree.
875
00:53:04,966 --> 00:53:08,136
He had gloves, he
cleaned up after himself.

876
00:53:08,219 --> 00:53:09,762
You think he was stalking her?

877
00:53:09,846 --> 00:53:12,432
- Or she just caught his eye.
- What about the boy?

878
00:53:13,057 --> 00:53:14,058
He was a witness.

879
00:53:14,142 --> 00:53:16,561
There are more expedient
ways to get rid of a witness.

880
00:53:16,644 --> 00:53:18,896
- Why make the boy watch?
- And why sodomize him?

881
00:53:18,980 --> 00:53:20,148
That's a good point.

882
00:53:20,690 --> 00:53:23,818
Is this crime about the
woman or about the child?

883
00:53:27,155 --> 00:53:30,074
- You're asking me?
- I was just posing questions.

884
00:53:31,367 --> 00:53:32,785
I get that.

885
00:53:32,869 --> 00:53:34,537
- The broomstick.
- Yeah?

886
00:53:34,620 --> 00:53:37,540
Is it the same broomstick she
used to sweep the church steps?

887
00:53:37,623 --> 00:53:39,750
- What if it is?
- He might not be a congregant,

888
00:53:39,834 --> 00:53:41,170
maybe someone just passing through,

889
00:53:41,171 --> 00:53:44,046
but the church could be significant.

890
00:53:44,047 --> 00:53:45,064
Could be?

891
00:53:45,131 --> 00:53:47,258
With the idea of service.

892
00:53:48,342 --> 00:53:52,180
I think that there's a passage in Mark.

893
00:53:52,263 --> 00:53:54,682
Something about the "Son of Man."

894
00:53:55,516 --> 00:53:56,934
I don't follow.

895
00:53:57,018 --> 00:53:59,479
All I'm saying is, the
broom may mean something.

896
00:53:59,562 --> 00:54:00,563
What?

897
00:54:02,190 --> 00:54:03,232
I don't know.

898
00:54:03,316 --> 00:54:05,276
It's hard to tell from just the photos.

899
00:54:08,362 --> 00:54:12,533
This woman was devoted
to her child, tried hard,

900
00:54:12,617 --> 00:54:14,535
and some stranger came along and...

901
00:54:16,204 --> 00:54:19,457
Come on, Agent Ford,
you got fancy methods.

902
00:54:19,540 --> 00:54:23,878
What does a broomstick in the ass
of a dirt poor single mom mean?

903
00:54:29,425 --> 00:54:30,593
I don't know.

904
00:54:31,302 --> 00:54:32,470
You're kidding me.

905
00:54:32,553 --> 00:54:33,721
I don't understand it.

906
00:54:34,805 --> 00:54:37,975
- We can't help you with this.
- We need more time to go over this.

907
00:54:38,059 --> 00:54:42,063
We are in the dark here. We
don't know any more than you do.

908
00:54:44,065 --> 00:54:45,900
How fucking dare you?

909
00:54:46,734 --> 00:54:48,402
I'm sorry we wasted your time.

910
00:54:54,700 --> 00:54:56,828
Can I get these back to you?

911
00:55:13,594 --> 00:55:16,973
♪ Crying ♪

912
00:55:17,056 --> 00:55:19,642
♪ Crying ♪

913
00:55:19,725 --> 00:55:24,480
♪ It's hard to understand ♪

914
00:55:26,148 --> 00:55:31,571
♪ That the touch of your hand ♪

915
00:55:31,654 --> 00:55:33,781
♪ Can start me crying ♪

916
00:55:33,864 --> 00:55:35,700
- In the dark, huh?
- We are.

917
00:55:35,783 --> 00:55:38,536
I have studied everything we
have. I've taken this ride here,

918
00:55:38,619 --> 00:55:40,830
listened to everything you've
been kind enough to teach,

919
00:55:40,913 --> 00:55:42,421
but we're talking about something

920
00:55:42,422 --> 00:55:43,749
we don't understand in the slightest.

921
00:55:43,833 --> 00:55:44,917
I was trying to help you.

922
00:55:45,001 --> 00:55:47,336
If you don't like it, go
back to your college kids

923
00:55:47,420 --> 00:55:48,462
and we'll forget about it.

924
00:55:48,546 --> 00:55:49,922
Ada and her son were killed

925
00:55:50,006 --> 00:55:52,216
for reasons we are simply
not equipped to understand.

926
00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:53,801
It wasn't lust murder.

927
00:55:53,884 --> 00:55:56,679
It wasn't some random thrill
killer who was born bad,

928
00:55:56,762 --> 00:55:59,473
and it wasn't a pantie thief
who wanted to change things up.

929
00:55:59,557 --> 00:56:00,850
It was an aberration.

930
00:56:00,933 --> 00:56:02,935
Let me tell you something
about aberrant behavior.

931
00:56:03,019 --> 00:56:04,270
It's fucking aberrant.

932
00:56:04,353 --> 00:56:06,814
If we understood it,
we'd be aberrant too.

933
00:56:06,897 --> 00:56:09,567
Fortunately, it's not incumbent
upon us to write a dissertation.

934
00:56:09,650 --> 00:56:11,193
- Well, maybe we should.
- Why?

935
00:56:12,278 --> 00:56:15,865
Our job is to give him something he
could not have figured out himself.

936
00:56:15,948 --> 00:56:18,576
- I am sticking my neck out for you.
- No disrespect.

937
00:56:18,659 --> 00:56:20,483
At the moment, I don't
think we can say anything

938
00:56:20,484 --> 00:56:22,330
to McGraw with any certainty.

939
00:56:22,413 --> 00:56:24,540
Let me ask you something.
Where are you from?

940
00:56:26,667 --> 00:56:29,545
I was born in New York, but
it's kind of a mixed bag.
941
00:56:29,629 --> 00:56:32,757
Okay. Well, that's what you
are right now, a mixed bag.

942
00:56:33,257 --> 00:56:35,885
A little college education,
some experience on the street,

943
00:56:35,968 --> 00:56:38,095
some insight, a lot of horseshit.

944
00:56:38,179 --> 00:56:39,722
I agree with you.

945
00:56:39,805 --> 00:56:42,141
It's been one step
forward, two steps back.

946
00:56:42,224 --> 00:56:44,602
Let me ask you something
else. Do you have a girlfriend?

947
00:56:45,561 --> 00:56:48,022
- I do now, Bill, as it happens.
- Okay.

948
00:56:48,105 --> 00:56:52,109
So next time you're a long way
from home and you flip your shit,

949
00:56:52,193 --> 00:56:55,738
you find a pay phone and you
tell it to your girlfriend.

950
00:56:56,489 --> 00:56:57,573
- Okay?
- Okay.

951
00:56:57,657 --> 00:57:00,534
- How's that sound?
- It sounds okay, Bill.

952
00:57:05,748 --> 00:57:12,213
♪ Crying ♪

953
00:57:12,296 --> 00:57:18,761
♪ Over ♪

954
00:57:18,844 --> 00:57:24,266
♪ You ♪

955
00:57:24,267 --> 00:57:29,267
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