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Member In one of the projects, I saw the following load case has been used for ocassional case.
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for seismic and wind loading respectively.
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
Generally we use the following combination 1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
L1 W+P+T1 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
L2 W+P
L3 W+P+T1+U1 16 17 18 19 20 21 22
L4 L3-L1 23 24 25 26 27 28 29
L5 L4+L2 (scalar)for occasional loads 30

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Re: Loads Combination for Occasional case [Re: M Waheed] #73866 - 10/03/19 07:36 AM

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Member Is L2 in your example the alternate sustained? I've always added the occasional load back to the Days)
regular sustained case and just checked the alternate sustained to make sure nothing failed or
Registered: 08/24/18
Posts: 118 was excessive.
Loc: USA
I would say the first example is wrong because the occasional loads need to be considered in
conjunction with the normal operating condition, including temperature. Then you have all the
load case algebra to isolate and analyze that occasional load for pipe stress purposes.

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Re: Loads Combination for Occasional case [Re: M Waheed] #73867 - 10/03/19 07:39 AM

anubis512
Member For the wind case, its possible they're assuming the plant was shut down in advance of a
hurricane and so the only loads were weight/pressure. But they still need the additional load
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Posts: 118 cases to isolate/add back the occasional component.
Loc: USA
For seismic you can't assume the plant has advance notice to shutdown.

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Re: Loads Combination for Occasional case [Re: M Waheed] #73868 - 10/03/19 09:04 AM

Michael_Fletcher
If you're working with ASME B31.3, then the second set of load cases is what's required by code.
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Registered: 01/29/10 I couldn't say with certainty that's how all past, present, or future codes have worked / currently
Posts: 1025 work / will work.
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Re: Loads Combination for Occasional case [Re: M Waheed] #73869 - 10/03/19 11:12 AM

Dorin Daniel
Popescu Hi all,
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Michael its right, the second loads set is the correct one. This is valid for ASME B31.1 / ASME
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Posts: 151 B31.3 Codes.
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The B.31.1/31.3 provisions which require this approach are old enough (definitely they were in
role twenty years ago...) and I am really surprised that such elementary issue still raises doubts
among stress engineers.

Regarding B31.3 - see Para. 302.3.6:

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<<...THE SUM OF THE STRESSES due to sustained loads, such as pressure and
weight, SL, AND OF THE STRESSES produced by occasional loads, such as wind and earthquake,
may be as much as 1.33 times the basic allowable stress provided in Table A-1 or Table A-1M at
the metal temperature for
the occasional condition being considered...>>

So, it is NOT written "the sum of the stresses due to sustained and occasional loads". This means
that the absolute values' summation of the longitudinal stresses devloped bu SUS and exclusive
OCC loads needs to be checked against Code allowable limit. There is NO ALGEBRAIC summation
to be performed.

In B31.1 the formulation is slightly different, but with the same meaning - see Para. 102.3.3:
<< The SUM OF THE LONGITUDINAL STRESSES produced by internal pressure, live and dead
loads, AND THOSE produced by such occasional loads as the temporary supporting of extra
weight may exceed the allowable stress values given in the Allowable Stress Tables by the
amounts and durations of time
given in para. 104.8.2.>>

In B31.1, the absolute summation is clearly documented by formulas (15) and (16), which
stipulates the summation of the BENDING STRESS terms corresponding to SUS and exclusive
Occasional loads.

I repeat, these are elementary issues for Piping Stress Engineers involved in onshore or offshore
topside PIPING systems.

For offshore Pipeline systems (B31.4/B31.8), as I remember briefly (I am not frequently involved
in such projects...), the approach is different. Maybe another Forum member with
current/extensive Offshore Pipeline analysis experience may complete these considerations.

Regards,
_________________________
Dorin Daniel Popescu

Lead Piping Stress Engineer

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Re: Loads Combination for Occasional case [Re: Dorin Daniel Popescu] #73870 - 10/03/19 11:10 PM

M Waheed
Member Agreed 100%.
I joined a new company a couple of days ago and I saw them using the first set of load cases.
Registered: 03/08/07
Posts: 46 They have been using this for a number of years. I tried to discuss with my colleague but it took
Loc: UK some effort to convince him. I asked this question in the forum to show him what most people do
and think about these cases. its not easy to change old practices especially when you are new in
a company.

Regards

M. Waheed

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Re: Loads Combination for Occasional case [Re: M Waheed] #73873 - 10/04/19 05:35 AM

anubis512
Member Yikes, that's not a good first impression from the company.
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Re: Loads Combination for Occasional case [Re: M Waheed] #73894 - 10/07/19 10:30 AM

Michael_Fletcher
"This is what the creators of the software instruct us to do. These folks also serve (or at least
Member used to serve) as members of the committee for the ASME piping code. I strongly recommend
Registered: 01/29/10 that we adhere to their instruction, as I'm sure they're very certain on the intent on the
Posts: 1025 application of this piping code in their software."
Loc: Louisiana, US
It is in their documentation here:
https://docs.hexagonppm.com/reader/O04dxcwMfibZIK1cyksZvQ/y8mPw1Z_BdQYjgU1fqz93g

And per their instruction here:

https://coade.typepad.com/coadeinsider/2010/06/caesar-ii-webinar-load-case-editor.html

As well as a document floating around named "895-387-LoadCases.pdf," that you can find on the
forums and via google, which seems it's from COADE, but I can't authenticate that.

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