1 Engine and peripherals

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16A

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Fault finding – Role of components 16A - 2

Fault finding – Operating diagram 16A - 3
Fault finding – Features 16A - 4
Fault finding – Customer complaints 16A - 5
Fault finding – Fault finding charts 16A - 6
Fault finding – Tests 16A - 15

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Fault finding – Role of components 16A
• Battery

The principal purpose of the battery is to provide the powerful current briefly required by the starter motor to start the
engine. For optimum starting, the current supplied by the battery must be sent to the starter motor with minimum
loss. To achieve this, the electrical connections (wires, terminals, connectors, etc.) must be in good condition.
When the engine is not running, the battery must feed the accessories that operate constantly, even with the ignition
switched off, such as the alarm, radio codes, computers, etc.

• Starter

This turns the engine over to make it start, and requires a very powerful electric current, which the battery must be
able to supply.

• Alternator

The alternator only operates when the engine is running. Its function is to recharge the battery, and at the same time
to supply the electrical power required to operate all the electrical accessories on the vehicle.

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The alternator on Mégane II phase 2 is a controlled alternator. The UPC* controls the regulation via a serial
connection.

• Engine Compartment Connection Unit or Protection and Switching Unit

The UPC* is connected to the alternator by a serial connection. The UPC* intelligently manages the alternator
regulation voltage according to the engine phase, the battery charge, and the temperature.

• The UCH

The UCH* interprets the starting request and analyses if the starting conditions are satisfied, in order to transmit the
request to the UPC*.

*UPC: Engine Compartment Connection Unit or Protection and Switching Unit

*UCH: Passenger Compartment Central Unit

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Fault finding – Operating diagram 16A
STARTING - CHARGING FLOWCHART:

A
4

1
D

3 2
C 5

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1- Battery, component code 107,
2- Starter, component code 163,
3- Alternator, component code 103,
4- Protection and Switching Unit, component code 1337
5- UCH, component code 645.

A. "High current" wiring

B. Serial connection for communication between the alternator and the UCH
C. Starter control line
D. Multiplex network

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Fault finding – Features 16A
The function of the charging circuit is to:

• Ensure that electrical energy is supplied to the vehicle whilst respecting the dynamic performance constraints of
the engine and transmission assembly: the alternator resisting torques and the torque gradients measured must
be managed.

• To control alternator loading and load shedding during engine management authorisation or variation of the
electrical load.

• To ensure the quality of the on board network voltage in terms of the voltage level and variation (voltage gradient
management).

• To optimise the battery charge by applying a voltage to its terminals correlating to its initial charge status (in sleep
mode) and to its internal temperature.

• To inform the engine management about the mechanical power taken from the accessories pulley, the alternator
charge rate and the rotor excitation current value.

• To run fault finding on the charging circuit: "Battery" warning light display.

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The function of the starting circuit is to:
• start the vehicle when there is a starting request from the ignition key.

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Fault finding – Customer complaints 16A
STARTING

THE STARTER DOES NOT WORK ALP 1

THE STARTER TURNS BUT DOES NOT ENGAGE ALP 2

THE STARTER IS NOISY WHEN STARTING ALP 3

LOW STARTER SPEED ALP 4

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Fault finding – Fault finding charts 16A

ALP 1 The starter does not work

Test the condition of the battery (see 80A, Battery, Test 1 Battery check).
Test the condition of the power fuse (see TEST 2 Test of power fuse condition and
source of fault).
NOTES
Check ET010 Starting conditions met (see 87B, Passenger compartment
connection unit, Fault finding - Interpretation of statuses).
Check that the engine is not jammed.

Check that the following terminals are correctly

tightened:

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the battery,
the starter,
the engine earth,
the bodywork earth.

Are the terminals correctly tightened? NO Retighten the terminals (see MR 370,
Mechanical, 80A, Battery, Battery:
YES Removal - Refitting).

Check that the following wires are in good condition:

the wire connecting the battery +, component code
107, to terminal B+ of the starter, component
code 163,
the wire connecting the battery - to the bodywork
earth,
the wire connecting the engine to the bodywork
earth.

Are the wires in good condition? NO Repair the damaged wires and terminals. If
the connection is faulty and there is a repair
procedure (see Technical Note 6015A,
YES
Electrical wiring repair, Wiring:
Precautions for repair), repair the wiring,
otherwise replace the wiring.
Try starting.

If the starter still does not turn, can a clicking noise be

heard when the starter is activated?

NO YES

A B

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ALP 1
CONTINUED 1

With the ignition switched off, measure the voltage between the battery earth and the starter control terminal.

Voltage value?

<1V Between 1 V and 10 V ≥ 10 V

While activating the starter, measure the voltage Disconnect the starter control terminal wire and
between the battery earth and the starter control measure the voltage on the wire of connection 1A
terminal. again.

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Voltage value? Voltage value?

≥ 10 V < 10 V ≥ 10 V < 10 V

Replace the starter (see MR 370,

Replace the starter (see MR 370,
Mechanical, 16A, Starting - Mechanical, 16A, Starting - Charging,
Charging, Starter: Removal -
Starter: Removal - Refitting).
Refitting).

Disconnect connector MM on component 1337 and measure the voltage on connection 1A.

Voltage value?

< 10 V ≥ 10 V

Repair the damaged wires and terminals of

connection 1A. If the connection is faulty and Run complete fault finding on component 1337 (see
there is a repair procedure (see Technical Note 87G, Engine compartment connection unit).
6015A, Electrical wiring repair, Wiring:
Precautions for repair), repair the wiring,
otherwise replace it.

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ALP 1
CONTINUED 2

Measure the voltage on connection BPDA between the earth taken on one of the starter mounting points and its
B+ terminal while activating the starter.

Voltage value?

> 10 V Between 0 V and 10 V

Measure the drop in voltage on connection BPDA

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between the battery + terminal and the starter B+
terminal while activating the starter.
Replace the cable connecting the
Voltage value? battery + terminal to the starter.
≥2 V
<2V

Measure the drop in voltage between the battery

- terminal and the earth on one of the starter
mounting points while activating the starter.
Replace the earth cable(s)
connecting the engine to the
Voltage value? ≥2 V battery.

<2V

Replace the starter (see MR 370, Mechanical, 16A, Starting - Charging, Starter: Removal - Refitting).

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ALP 1
CONTINUED 3

Check the starting request from component

645 using ET062 UCH request to UPC
(see 87G, Passenger compartment Check for + 12 V after ignition on connection
connection unit, Fault finding - AP10 of connector CN of component 1337.
YES
Interpretation of statuses).
Is there 12 V?
Is component 1337 receiving the request?

NO YES NO

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Check for 12 V on connection 1A of Supply fault on connection
connector MM during a request. AP10 of connector CN of
Is there 12 V? component 1337.

YES NO

Continuity fault on connection 1A between Replace component 1337

components 1337 and 163. If the
connection is faulty and there is a repair
procedure (see Technical Note 6015A,
Electrical wiring repair, Wiring:
Precautions for repair), repair the wiring,
otherwise replace it.

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ALP 1
CONTINUED 4

Check the request from component 104

using ET239 Ignition switch position
(see 87B Passenger compartment
connection unit, Fault finding - YES Is the CAN network OK?
Interpretation of statuses).
NO YES
Is component 645 receiving the request?

NO

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Presence of effective + after ignition feed
Run fault finding on the CAN network
Check the voltage on connection D at the
input of fuse for component 260 when
starting is requested.
Is there 12 V?

NO YES

Continuity fault on connection DP between components 260

and 645. If the connection is faulty and there is a repair
procedure (see Technical Note 6015A, Electrical wiring
repair, Wiring: Precautions for repair), repair the wiring, Replace component 645
otherwise replace it.

Check the voltage on connection D of

component 104 when starting is requested. NO Replace component 104
Is there 12 V?
YES

Continuity fault on connection D between components 104 and 260. If there is a repair
method (see Technical Note 6015A, Repairing electrical wiring, Wiring: Precautions for
repair) repair the wiring, otherwise replace it.

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ALP 2 The starter turns but does not engage

Special notes:
NOTES
Disconnect the battery earth before handling.

Remove the starter (see MR 370, Mechanical, 16A, Starting - Charging, Starter: Removal - Refitting).

Check that the ring gear of the flywheel is in good condition.

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Are the ring gear teeth damaged?

YES NO

Replace the flywheel (see MR 370, Mechanical,

Engine and peripherals, Engine and cylinder
block assembly).

Check the condition of the starter (broken teeth or

worn gears).

Is the starter in good condition? NO Replace the starter (see MR 370,

Mechanical, 16A, Starting - Charging,
YES Starter: Removal - Refitting).

Refit the starter (see MR 370, Mechanical, 16A,

Starting - Charging, Starter: Removal - Refitting).

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ALP 3 The starter is noisy when starting

Test the condition of the battery (see 80A, Battery, Test 1 Battery check).
NOTES
Check that the noise is actually coming from the starter.

Try to start the engine.

At what point is the noise heard?

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Starting phase Just after the engine has started

Check that the starter is correctly secured.

A

Is the starter correctly secured?

YES NO

Tighten the starter mountings (see MR 370,

Mechanical, 16A, Starting - Charging,
Starter: Removal - Refitting).

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ALP 3
CONTINUED 1

B A
YES

Remove the starter and check that the centring pin is Inhibit the engine injection (see 13B or 17B,
present. Check the condition of the pinion and carry Interpretation of commands), activate the
out a full check of the ring gear. starter for 2 seconds, and release the key.

Is a fault noticed?
Does the starter continue to run after the key is
YES NO released?

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YES NO

Fit a centring pin, or replace the

flywheel (see MR 370,
Mechanical, 10A, Flywheel:
Removal - Refitting), or replace Starter control fault, check the entire starter
the starter (see MR 370, control line (see ALP1 The starter does not
Mechanical, 16A, Starting - work, continued 3 C).
Charging, Starter: Removal -
Refitting).

Replace the starter (see MR 370, Mechanical, 16A, Make several attempts, waiting for 5 minutes
Starting - Charging, Starter: Removal - Refitting). after 5 attempts (let the starter cool). If the result
is still the same after several attempts, replace
the starter (see MR 370, Mechanical, 16A,
Starting - Charging, Starter: Removal –
Refitting).

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The starter rotates slowly from the outset.
The rotation speed of the starter decreases rapidly.
ALP 4
The starter causes the warning lights on the instrument panel to
become very dim.

Test the wiring (TEST3 Wiring check).

NOTES
Test the condition of the battery (see 80A, Battery, Test 1 Battery check).

If the fault is still present, replace the starter (see MR 370, Mechanical, 16A, Starting - Charging, Starter:
Removal - Refitting).

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Fault finding – Tests 16A
Perform this test only after running complete fault finding on the Engine compartment
connection unit using the diagnostic tool (see 87G, Engine compartment
NOTES connection unit).
Because the Engine compartment connection unit houses the CHARGING CIRCUIT
function (sub-function: alternator) and checks the alternator via a serial connection.

CHARGING

ALTERNATOR SUPPLY TEST TEST 1

POWER FUSE AND WIRING

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TEST THE CONDITION OF THE POWER FUSE AND THE CAUSE OF ITS FAULT TEST 2

WIRING HARNESS CHECK TEST 3

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Fault finding – Tests 16A

TEST 1 Alternator supply test

NOTES Test the condition of the battery (see 80A, Battery, Test 1 Battery check).

Measure the voltage at the battery terminals with the engine warm and running at idle speed for 2 minutes and
with all consumers switched off.

Voltage value?

≥ 16 V

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< 16 V Replace the alternator (see MR 370, Mechanical, 16A, Starting -
Charging, Alternator: Removal - Refitting).
Visually inspect the consequences (battery, corrosion, etc.).

With the engine idling, connect a current clamp to the alternator B+ wire, connection code BPDA, with all
consumers switched off.

Current between 5 A and 35

Current < 5 A Current > 35 A
A

Check that there are no

Replace the alternator (see
electrical components
MR 370, Mechanical, 16A, Keep the engine speed at
consuming an abnormal
Starting - Charging, 3000 rpm and still with no
amount of current.
Alternator: Removal - consumers switched on.
Disconnect the fuses one by
Refitting).
one.

Value of measured current?

(i 1)

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TEST 1
CONTINUED

Keep the engine speed at 3000 rpm with all

consumers switched on.
Main beam headlights, de-icing, passenger
compartment ventilation.

Value of measured current? (i 2)

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Compare i 1 and i 2

i 2 > i 1 + 5A i 2 < i 1 + 5A

Replace the alternator (see MR 370,

Mechanical, 16A, Starting -
The alternator flow rate is correct
Charging, Alternator: Removal -
Refitting).

Stop the engine

Value of the electrical current?

>1A <1A

Replace the alternator (see

MR 370, Mechanical, 16A,
Starting - Charging, Alternator is correct.
Alternator: Removal -
Refitting).

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TEST 2 Test the condition of the power fuse and the cause of its fault

NOTES Check that the engine is not blocked.

With the ignition off, measure the voltage between the negative battery terminal
and the power fuse output

Is the voltage greater than or equal to 10V?

YES NO

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The power fuse is correct The power fuse is faulty

With the battery disconnected, measure the resistance

between the negative battery terminal and the power fuse
output

Is the resistance ≥ 10 Ω?

NO YES

Possible external causes:

Disconnect the alternator + terminal, then measure
use of a "starter charger", excessively long use of
the resistance between the negative battery terminal
starter (e.g.: activating the starter with the gear
and the power fuse output
engaged to move the vehicle) etc.

Is the resistance ≥ 10 Ω?

YES
NO Replace the alternator (see MR 370, Mechanical, 16A, Starting - Charging,
Alternator: Removal - Refitting).

Check the wiring connecting the alternator and the

starter to the battery + terminal (see TEST 3 Wiring
check).

Is it in good condition?

NO YES C D

A B

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TEST 2
CONTINUED

A B C D
NO YES

Replace the starter (see MR 370, Mechanical, 16A, Starting

- Charging, Starter: Removal - Refitting).

Repair the damaged wires and terminals.

If the connection is faulty and there is a repair
procedure (see Technical Note 6015A, Electrical

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wiring repair, Wiring: Precautions for repair),
repair the wiring, otherwise replace it.

Replace the "power fuse" (see MR 370, Mechanical, 80A, Battery, Battery: Removal - Refitting).

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TEST 3 Wiring check

NOTES None.

Check the condition of the battery terminals.

Confirm that there is no corrosion on the battery
terminals.
Check the tightness of the terminals (see MR
370, Mechanical, 80A, Battery, Battery:
Removal - Refitting).

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Are the terminals and posts in good condition and Clean the terminals and posts or replace them, if
not corroded? NO necessary

YES

Check that there are no electrolyte leaks from the

battery (cracks or breakage).
Check that the mechanical mounting of the
battery is sound (see MR 370, Mechanical, 80A,
Battery, Battery: Removal - Refitting).

Change the battery and clean the surrounding

area on the vehicle if necessary.
Is the battery in good condition? NO (see MR 370, Mechanical, 80A, Battery,
Battery: Removal - Refitting).

YES

Disable the engine injection (see 13B or 17B,

Interpretation of commands).
With the starter activated, measure the voltage
on connection BPDA between the + terminal of
the battery, component code 107, and the B + of
the starter, component code 163.

Repair the damaged wires and terminals. If the

connection is faulty and there is a repair
Is the voltage > 2 V? YES procedure (see Technical Note 6015A,
Electrical wiring repair, Wiring: Precautions
for repair), repair the wiring, otherwise replace it

NO

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TEST 3
CONTINUED

A
NO

With the engine running and the main beam

headlights and heated rear screen on, measure
the voltage between the battery B+, component
code 107, and the alternator B+, component
code 103.

Is the voltage > 0.7 V? YES Check that all the wires connecting the battery,

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the alternator and the starter are secure and in
good condition, and that all their terminals are
correctly tightened and secure.
Repair the damaged wires and terminals. If the
connection is faulty and there is a repair
NO
procedure (see Technical Note 6015A,
Electrical wiring repair, Wiring: Precautions
for repair), repair the wiring, otherwise replace it

With the engine running and the main beam

headlights and heated rear screen on, measure
the voltage between the negative terminal of the
battery, component code 107, and the alternator
frame, component code 103.

Is the voltage > 0.7 V? YES Check the earths of the engine, alternator,
chassis, gearbox, battery or starter (tightness,
condition of terminals, condition of wires).
Repair the damaged wires and terminals. If the
connection is faulty and there is a repair
NO procedure (see Technical Note 6015A,
Electrical wiring repair, Wiring: Precautions
for repair), repair the wiring, otherwise replace it

The electrical circuit is in good order.

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