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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 21 May 2002 06:33:00 GMT
newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast.fieldreports
subject: Newbie report 2
On 5/20/02 10:51:00 PM, tic_tac_tocus wrote:

>My biggest problem now is
>getting to the # close... I
>had sufficient SOI to do it
>three times or so tonight, but
>I felt awkward saying "I
>really enjoyed our
>conversation, it’s too bad we
>can’t continue it sometime"
>because it seemed unnatural to
>me... does anyone know of a
>good way to work this into it
>while sounding normal? Thanks
>:)
How about saying "I really enjoyed our conversation, it’s too bad we can’t
continue it sometime"
Sounds pretty natural and normal to me.
Zan
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Don Juan: So much fire is in you.
Tisbea: How well you talk!
Don Juan: How well you understand!
Tisbea: I hope to God you’re not lying.
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Re: The delicate art of phone numbers / 152
Re: The delicate art of phone numbers / 152
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:19:00 GMT
newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques
subject: Re: The delicate art of phone numbers
On 5/21/02 5:48:16 AM, jake_ wrote:

>Well, they call me!
>
>Calling can be supplication.
>What do you get if you call
>women?
>Answering machines and a fair
>number of flakes. Also, you
>indicate
>your interest and lose power.
>
>Having women phone you saves
>so much time and is an
>excellent
>filter.
Yeah, exactly my point, Jake. I get calls all the time as well. I suppose if I
didn’t, then I would have to become somewhat more proactive.
I give out my number all the time. And usually if a girl has given me her
number, I don’t bother calling - unless she is extremely fine and I am not sure
I will run into her again.
If I think I will see her again (gym, club, waitress, etc), then I don’t bother
calling. Then when I see her next, I always say something like:
ME: Hey, why didn’t you call me?

HER: Uh, because I don’t have your number. You have MY number, remember?
ME: (faux confusion, smiling) Hmm, well why didn’t you answer the phone when I
called you, then?
HER: But you didn’t call me. I have call display.
ME: (smiling, winking, pointing at cheek) Well, tell you what. Come give me a
kiss and I’ll forgive you.
And I remember seeing a movie with Jude Law (called Immortality?) where he
would see a HB sitting alone somewhere and he would go up to her and without a
word, place a business card in front of her and walk away.
Except these were not ordinary business cards. They were personal cards. In
other words, specially made with just his name and phone number on them. But
the key is, the phone number was not his main number. It was a second phone
line that he would use only for this purpose.
That way he would immediately know that it was one of his sarges phoning him -
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because nobody else ever got this special number.
And what’s funny about that is that I have been doing the same thing for years!
I just saw the movie about 4 months ago.
For years, I have carried personal cards whenever I go out sarging. I just make
them on my computer with MS Publisher. They are plain white and just have my
name, city, country, email, and phone number (no address). I first got the idea
10 years ago in Europe when I asked for a girl’s phone number and she gave me a
personal card like this. I’ve done it ever since. Better than carrying around a
pen and paper.
And the phone number is not my main one. For a few dollars more a month, you
can get a second ring and phone number attached to your telephone (mine does a
double ring). They call it the "teen line" around here, because people will
often get the second ring for their teenagers.
That way, whenever I hear my phone do a double ring, I know the person on the
other end of the line is someone who I gave my card to.
Cheesy? Sure, but oh well...
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Horoscope blocked: You’re not compatible. / 153
Horoscope blocked: You’re not compatible. / 153
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:29:00 GMT
subject: Horoscope blocked: You’re not compatible.
Good job, Zap. Nice recovery.
Fortunately, I am a Sagittarius. And whenever I am asked and mention this, it

meets with approval. Seems like Sagittarius is just naturally compatible with a
lot of other signs.
And one girl told me last week that she heard Sagittarius is good in bed. But
she flaked, so she’ll never know (from me).
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Is there a moral question here? / 154
Is there a moral question here? / 154
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:48:00 GMT
newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast.general
subject: Is there a moral question here?
You are definitely asking the wrong people (well, me anyway).
Personally, I think you are morally obligated to DO it. But then again, my
viewpoint is definitely at odds with most of society :-)
It is obvious that she needs this in her life. She needs and wants YOU. Look at
it this way, you are helping her achieve a balance and peace of mind. How?
Right now, she is torn between her guilt and her desires. What kind of torture
is that? If you do get with her, and romance her to death, you will be opening
up her eyes to the kinds of wonderful things in life she can (and should) be
experiencing. She will be uplifted, wiser, happier, and more at peace with
herself and her desires as a woman.
If she stays with the borefriend and represses her desires, she will be robbing
herself of a more fulfilling life experience. She will be wracked with guilt
because those desires are not going to go away. And she will merely transfer
these desires to someone else (as you so rightly surmised).
I guarantee you one thing. If she is kissing you and desirous of you and
thinking of you sexually now, she WILL NOT be "faithful" to him some day in the
future. If not with you right now, then definitely with someone else. And it
will be soon. As sure as the sun coming up tomorrow. She is missing something
(excitement, romance, danger, whatever) and she WILL seek it out eventually.
I don’t believe in taking advantage of a woman, and I simply can’t bear it if I

break a girl’s heart. That is why I am always brutally honest with them. Their
hurt feelings or broken heart is happening to them only because they didn’t
hear what I was trying to tell them all along.
But this situation is definitely not you taking advantage of her. IMHO, if you
don’t go to see her, you are being cruel. I believe every woman should be swept
off her feet by a skilled and adoring PUA at least once in her life - even if
only for one night. It is your duty to present her with this gift.
Go rent the movie Don Juan DeMarco again. He goes into a restaurant, sees a
beautiful woman who is waiting for her date. He doesn’t ask or care if she is
waiting for her husband or fiance or boyfriend. It doesn’t matter. He just
gives her what she WANTS and NEEDS. And then he graciously leaves and she is
far better off for the experience. That should be your attitude.
(I know it’s just a movie. FormHandle, please don’t yell at me >;-)
Man, I checked my morals at the door. I don’t believe in guilt. And I don’t
believe in black and white - just shades of gray.
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Re: Drunk Chicks / 155
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 21 May 2002 23:10:00 GMT
subject: Re: Drunk Chicks
On 5/21/02 4:47:05 PM, Alessandro wrote:

>Now, tell me which
>law protects
>my dick’s disappointment.
LMAO, the Law of Diminishing Returns...
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com 2 Questions / 156
2 Questions / 156
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author: "Zan"
date: Wed, 22 May 2002 06:59:00 GMT
subject: 2 Questions
I agree with Fatass. If you see an empty seat next to a girl, march over there
and sit your ass down - even if there are lots of empty seats all around.
Makes for an instant conversation starter.
Second question: pub, restaurant, sushi bar, movie theater (ask Alessandro how
to sarge a movie theater >;^)
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Re: Massage / 157
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author: "Zan"
date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:50:00 GMT
subject: Re: Massage
On 5/22/02 12:24:00 PM, AllWeatherGal wrote:

>professional massage tables
>are *quite* robust and are typically
>built to hold 700lbs or more. You should
>check the rating when you buy.
lol, good advice, AWG. Just in case any one here manages to pick up that 500 lb
warpig they’ve had their eye on.
Don’t worry, it’ll hold you both
;-)
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com ...something special. A neg?? / 158
...something special. A neg?? / 158
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 23 May 2002 06:03:00 GMT
subject: ...something special. A neg??
Scoob, a quote from the FAQ:
"No more than 2 negs on an average HB (7-9/7-9), a maximum of 3 on a super HB

(10/10)... Negs to anything below an average HB is generally BAD unless the
chick is giving off vibes that she THINKS she is a 9/10"
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com comeback for ’what did you say your name was...?’ / 159
comeback for ’what did you say your name was...?’ / 159
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:18:00 GMT
subject: comeback for ’what did you say your name was...?’
Heh, my real name means "gift of God".
So I guess I could tell her I am God’s gift to women...
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Re: Natural Woman Poem - here’s one! / 160
Re: Natural Woman Poem - here’s one! / 160
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:31:00 GMT
subject: Re: Natural Woman Poem - here’s one!
Wow, damn good poem, SlickEddiez. You missed your calling.
I was thinking more along the lines of:
Hey HB, did you know that inside every woman is really two women? I wrote you a
poem about it:
Roses are red

Violets are blue
You’re a natural woman
And so are you
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com I let slip from my mouth, ’Kino her!’ / 161
I let slip from my mouth, ’Kino her!’ / 161
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author: "Zan"
date: Fri, 24 May 2002 05:39:00 GMT
subject: I let slip from my mouth, ’Kino her!’
LOL, that is funny, Zap!
I think it should be added to the player guide:
If you are having trouble remembering your next move, just say it out loud.
Some examples:
"Eye contact, don’t break eye contact"

"Kino her!"
"Hmm, this is a good opportunity for a boob touch!"
"Oh oh, she’s being a little bitchy! Quickly - Neg! Neg!"
"ASD alert! Natural Woman or Our World? Think, man, think!"
Ha ha, see? We could just talk our way through it. Much easier!
And if she gives you a funny look when you are saying this stuff and says "Uh,
WTF you talking about?", just say "Hey, with your chick logic, you will never
understand."
:-)
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Re: Question: Delaying the F-Close / 162
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author: "Zan"
date: Fri, 24 May 2002 18:02:00 GMT
subject: Re: Question: Delaying the F-Close
On 5/24/02 2:50:00 AM, BioHazzerd wrote:

>Well, lets just say that the
>F-close tonight was delayed BY
>HER PERIOD! Bah!
Alessandro! Abort! Abort!
BioHazzerd ran into trouble. That means you are going to get fire ants up your
ass on the church lawn or something!
So much for synchronized fucking :-0
Zan
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The Natural Women, a primate variation.... / 163
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author: "Zan"
date: Fri, 24 May 2002 18:28:00 GMT
subject: The Natural Women, a primate variation....
On 5/24/02 12:07:00 PM, DBCooper wrote:

>You know what the Bonobos do from sun up to
>sundown with an infinite variety of
>partners? They have sex. For instance if
>there is a banana laying around, rather
>than fight for it like chimps would, the
>Bonobos would have sex, which mellows
>them out. Than they would share it
>mutually
Hey, would that work in the grocery store?
HB eyeing up the last cantaloupe.

ME: Hey HB, fuck you for it...
>Bonobos use sex. Also the Bonobos treat

>sex as a form of affectiion, it’s not
>like in our soceity where it is either
>repressed or has excess meaning and you
>have to go thru all these absurd hoops,
>trials and tests to get.
But whatever you do when you run this pattern, don’t mention that half the time
those goddamn bonobos are fucking the same sex. That’s right - they are ALL
flamers!
Check it out:
http://www.salon.com/it/feature/1999/03/cov_15featurea.html
A quote from the article:
"Bonobos are a partial exception. Recently a fair amount of information about

bonobo sex lives has come out. Bonobos are new, bonobos are smart -- and it’s
hard to keep a camera on bonobos for longer than a minute without recording a
sexual act of some kind."
And what is funny is that when the researchers started to teach them sign
language, they started to make up their own hand gestures:
"... used during bonobo sex, ranging from ’come here’ to ’move your genitals
around’. These signs, used by captive bonobos, were discovered by
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Savage-Rumbaugh and her colleagues. It’s one of the classic errors in teaching
animals language -- not letting them talk about what interests them. ’Let’s not
discuss what you want to do with Panbanisha and Sherman. Let’s talk about using
the key to open the box and get some candy. No, actual candy.’"
LOL
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Re: You’re gonna love this one / 164
Re: You’re gonna love this one / 164
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date: Fri, 24 May 2002 19:06:00 GMT
subject: Re: You’re gonna love this one
On 5/24/02 5:58:52 AM, spirit wrote:

>Hmmm.... she "didn‘t kiss you
>back"
>Out of curiousity, has she
>definately not ‘fucked anyone
>back‘ for 6 years?
>;o)
Ha ha, maybe you’re right, Spirit. Maybe she just laid there, so technically
she hasn’t "had sex".
Kind of like Bill Clinton: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman".
LOL, if getting blowjobs and sticking a cigar into her "humidor" isn’t sexual
relations, then what is?
Fatass, stay away from chicks with more problems than you. Either that or be
very clear to her that you like her and want to get with her, but you are not
going to be sticking around. Otherwise, you could be helping her pack around
her baggage. No fun...
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Re: mindsets / 165
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author: "Zan"
date: Sat, 25 May 2002 22:56:00 GMT
subject: Re: mindsets
On 5/24/02 8:16:00 PM, marcc wrote:

>I meet a girl, see a friend of hers , I
>ask a lotta times to the first one:
>"heey why did you not introduce me to
>her!? I need a lotta horses in my
>stable
That’s funny, Marc, because I said almost exactly the same thing last night to
some girls.
I saw a five-set of really nice HBs standing by the bar in a pub, so I went
over. I sort of knew one of them from a previous sarging attempt (C&B - but new
social proof!)
I started chatting them up, cocky/funny, etc. Got them laughing. Then I said to
the girl I sort of knew:
ME: (smiling, winking) Hey HB, why didn’t you introduce me to your friends
here. They’re kind of cute. And I still have a few spots open in my harem right
now. Could probably fit one or two of them in. (then pointing to the least
attractive ones) You are in for sure, and so are you. But I think that is all
the room I have for now. (laughing, smiling, winking, etc)
Had them laughing and hitting me in the arm, etc. Then another of their friends
walked up to the group - only about a 7 or so.
ME: (turning my back and ignoring the other girls; big smile) Hey, Sweetie, you
have beautiful eyes. I’m Zan. Don’t stand by these guys. Stand by me (arm
around her).
Heh, they never knew what hit them. I just acted like I knew them all like old
friends. Ended up hanging with them all night. And they were fine, fine, fine.
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com eternal love routine / 166
eternal love routine / 166
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author: "Zan"
date: Sat, 25 May 2002 23:02:00 GMT
subject: eternal love routine
Excellent. Very creative, Kooper.
This is a fine example of thinking outside of the box (read, the manual).
Instead of running scripted stories and stuff, you just entertained them and
showed them that you are comfortable around women.
Reinforces once again the "attitude is everything" mantra we keep repeating and
repeating but have a hard time putting into practice.
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com questions about stories / 167
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author: "Zan"
date: Sat, 25 May 2002 23:27:00 GMT
subject: questions about stories
On 5/25/02 4:40:00 PM, Manifestis3 wrote:

>my question is, if you have
>had no experience with women,
>should i just lie and make up
>stories about girlfriends
>since it would be social proof
>working for me?
Absolutely! Lie, lie, lie. It’s just stories. Won’t hurt them a bit. Wink and
smile a LOT. Keeps them guessing. You are telling them a story but you never
said it was true or not. And if they ask, just smile and say "Would I lie to
you?"
>just say that i’m a virgin

>who’s very picky waiting for
>the right girl...
No. Too prissy and needy. Just bust on them constantly. Cocky & funny will get
you further with a girl than any other method IME. Doesn’t matter if she is a
WarPig or HB11.
>
>also, what should the themes
>of the story be? what are
>good ways to make a story and
>how long should one story
>usually be? i don’t want to
>make it such a long ass story
>it owuld bore her to
>death...any tips on
>storytelling would really help
Heh, borrow one of my stories (both true):
1) I went white water rafting with a group and fell out of the boat. The boat
couldn’t stop to save me because the river was way too fast, and there was no
way I could get out of this raging torrent. So I ended up shooting the rest of
the rapids (about 2 hours worth) in my life jacket and running shoes. When I
finally got to where the boat had stopped, I had lost both shoes, and my
helmet, and was bruised from head to toe from the big fucking rocks I crashed
into. They thought I was dead for sure.
2) Went wave diving and body surfing in Cancun. Swam out too far and started to
get sucked out to sea by a rip tide. No one saw me - my buddy was asleep on the
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beach. Got pulled way out so everyone was just little dots on the horizon.
Finally managed to get back in by swimming sideways out of the rip tide. Scared
me bad.
Actually it DOES NOT MATTER what the subject of your stories are. It is the
delivery. Talk about your toothbrush if you want. Just make it dramatic and be
passionate about it. Make stuff up. Exaggerate a lot. Talk about the time you
took your dirt bike down a flight of stairs in an office building or something.
Make it up.
>would be willing to trade

>stories too which are cool
>since i traveled a lot in the
>world...
Manifestis, you have all your material right there. If HB is wearing a

necklace:
YOU: Hey, that’s a cool necklace. Reminds me of this girl I met in Milano. I
was trying to figure out the pay phones, when I saw her sitting nearby. So I
asked her in broken Italian how to do it and she showed me that you need a
slotted coin - the regular ones don’t work. Ended up hanging with her for the
entire week I was there. She wore a necklace almost exactly like that. What a
sweetheart.
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Re: OMG...I can’t believe I said that!! / 168
Re: OMG...I can’t believe I said that!! / 168
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author: "Zan"
date: Sat, 25 May 2002 23:38:00 GMT
subject: Re: OMG...I can’t believe I said that!!
On 5/25/02 2:22:00 PM, Hapless Hippy wrote:

>She says, "Were you expecting
>more?"
>My answer, (Look into her
>eyes, soothing voice) "Well, I
>do find you really sexually
>attractive."
>Her: "I meant the massage."
LOL, that is funny. Reminds me of the joke:
HIM: (rubbing her belly and top of her panty line) You are sooo sexy.
HER: Oh, lower... lower... don’t stop... please lower...
HIM: (in a lower voice) You are sooo sexy.
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Verbal Consent to Oral Reciprocation- Then Flake! / 169
Verbal Consent to Oral Reciprocation- Then Flake! / 169
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author: "Zan"
date: Sat, 25 May 2002 23:48:00 GMT
subject: Verbal Consent to Oral Reciprocation- Then Flake!
Stupid ass selfish bitch.
I would treat her like she doesn’t exist. Hang with lots of chicks in front of
her. If she does come around, tell her she is fucking selfish and rude and wave
her away with your hand.
If she still insists on getting near you, make her pay what she owes you.
Then ditch her.
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com ChickLogic: Thinking vs Emotions / 170
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author: "Zan"
date: Sat, 25 May 2002 23:57:00 GMT
subject: ChickLogic: Thinking vs Emotions
Dude, you got her all philosophical and thinking about life and her future and
her ambitions and desires, and then you anchored these feelings to her
boyfriend - not to you.
No advice - just don’t do it again.
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Is indifference attractive? I don’t think so... / 171
Is indifference attractive? I don’t think so... / 171
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author: "Zan"
date: Sun, 26 May 2002 00:11:00 GMT
subject: Is indifference attractive? I don’t think so...
On 5/25/02 6:42:00 PM, Prime Alpha wrote:

>X sees Y and is interested
>OR
>X gets interested in Y (assuming they already know)
>Reason for getting interested; Anything from good looks to >personality.
[snip]
>As can be clearly seen -

>Indifference in itself HAS
>NOTHING TO DO WHATSOEVER with
>the attraction phase.
>
>Indifference in itself has
>NOTHING to do with attraction.
>In fact, X is ALREADY
>attracted to Y. Otherwise -
>indifference WOULDN’T MATTER!
Hmm, interesting hypothesis. But is this really true in all cases? What if the
factor that X finds attractive IS the indifference - not good looks,
personality, etc.
For instance, both X and Y are indifferent. Then X notices that Y is

indifferent and since that is unusual for X, X becomes attracted to Y.
Perhaps?
BTW, you nailed it when you said that takeaways and indifference are completely
different. One will get a girl in your bed. The other will get you another
night with your hand.
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Re: A damn PUA convention / 172
Re: A damn PUA convention / 172
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date: Sun, 26 May 2002 00:45:00 GMT
subject: Re: A damn PUA convention
On 5/25/02 4:53:55 PM, finalD wrote:

>Meanwhile, of course, she’s
>got her bitch-shield on and is
>undergoing sarge after sarge from lots
>of frustrated males, and to her it
>has nothing to do with the fact that
>she’s been PICKED by them as a target.
>So, she gleefully believes that because
>it’s a high-class party, I’ll get
>laid, and that’s as far as her awareness
>of the thing goes.
FinalD, couldn’t you have used your cousin as your wing? Sounds like she
drifted off to talk to the "beautiful people" while you stood around the punch
bowl.
If she was comfortable at this venue, and moved with grace, social proof her.
You say she was getting approached by guys and had a bitch shield going? Maybe
you could have used her to your advantage.
How about this: since you were dressed quite casual compared to the rest,
exaggerate your casualness. Maybe mess your hair up and untie your shoes a
little. Make yourself really stand out - like you don’t give a shit and you
came the way you damn well pleased. Kind of like Johnny Depp or Axl Rose would
do - totally dress down and not care.
Then get your cousin to take you by the hand and lead you to the "beautiful
people" that she knows. Her leading you makes it look like you are the desired
one. Get her to play along.
Get introduced by her and neg the shit out of the hotties. For that matter,
neg the dudes in Armani. Cocky/funny all the way. Get them to laugh - the magic
formula.
Of course, this is all easy for me to say - I wasn’t there experiencing it.
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Acquiring Social Proof / 173
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author: "Zan"
date: Sun, 26 May 2002 21:10:00 GMT
subject: Acquiring Social Proof
Here’s the key. Every single girl you get with should become social proof for
you from now on. Doesn’t matter if it is a ONS or a short term FB.
How? Honesty. I rarely have ONS because I usually get with girls I want to nail
again. Here’s how to turn these girls into major social proof:
1) Use a cocky /funny approach and build up. Then when they start getting close
to you with major kino and interest and rapport and you know it’s on, smile and
say something like "You better run away from me, HB. I will only break your
heart. (smile, wink) You need a nice guy who will buy you flowers and dinners
and stuff. Like that guy there (point to some random chump). If you get
together with me, all I can promise you is hours of exquisite pleasure. You
need more than that."
Say the above stuff with a smile and a wink. Alessandro calls it the face you
use when you want her to put in more soup - LOL. When you point out another guy
and pretend to qualify him and say he is "better" for her than you, you
immediately cement your status in her mind. There is no fucking way she would
leave you now to be with that guy (or any other guy). It is kind of like a take
away - except you don’t leave. Very powerful.
2) Maintain this theme throughout your evening with her. She will be challenged
and intrigued. and she now knows that all she is getting from you is a very
short time. She can choose to leave at this point, but they rarely do.
3) At some point, assure her that you don’t kiss and tell. Softens the ASD
shield and shows her more than anything else that you WILL respect her in the
morning.
4) When you do get down to business with her, make sure she feels special.
Romance her, whisper sweet nothings in her ear, smell her skin, take your time,
revel in her beauty, let her know she is fucking exquisite. And do her right.
In other words, she should feel like a queen and that you absolutely adore her.
Every one says don’t compliment and say AFC stuff, but if you already got your
dick in her, you better start talking.
5) Every time you see her after this point - whether in public or if she comes
to your place for a repeat performance or whatever - treat her like she is the
only woman in the world. In public, put your arm around her, kiss her,
compliment her, call her Sweetie, adore her. But don’t do this before you have
fucked her, or if you want a LTR. Do this only with the ones you want to turn
into social proof and/or FB. Don’t give a shit who sees you or what anybody
thinks. Always maintain the theme that you can’t stay with her, but you sure do
like her.
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Say stuff like:
ME: You know, HB, in another time and place, I would fall right into you.
ME: I don’t know what it is about you. I have lots of girlfriends, but I just
can’t keep my eyes off you. I know I can’t give you what you want and deserve.
All I know is that I feel better when you are around.
Dramatic? Hell, yeah. Effective? Unbelievably so.
The result? A woman who adores you but knows she can’t have you. Whenever there
is bad feelings with a woman you break up with (or ONS with), it is because
they thought they were going to be getting MORE THAN THEY ACTUALLY GOT. Most
guys lie to a girl about how she is the "one" or whatever just to get in her
pants. A lot of ONS end up with the guy ditching her the next day (because she
was such an easy slut) and then laughing with his buddies about it.
Women will only have bad feelings about your time together if they feel cheated
somehow. But they will never say a bad word about you if you tell them straight
out what you are all about. Of course, they will think that they are the one
who can change you and tame you.
Instant social proof. Or FB. Or MLTR. At this point, it is your choice.
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com How to identify interest? / 174
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author: "Zan"
date: Mon, 27 May 2002 02:50:00 GMT
subject: How to identify interest?
Get the attitude that every girl that takes the time to talk to you is
interested.
Act accordingly...
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Instant UGlifiers / 175
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 28 May 2002 07:27:00 GMT
subject: Instant UGlifiers
On 5/27/02 11:46:00 PM, Willie D wrote:

>We talk about UG’s all the
>time, but what is the first
>thing that knocks a chick into
>uglyland in your opinions?
Here are some small clues. If 3 or 4 of these apply, your girl might be a UG:
- You usually take her to work with you so you don’t have to kiss her goodbye
- You take her to the zoo and the guy at the door says "Thanks for bringing her
back."
- Her dentist treats her by email
- They filmed "Gorillas in the Mist" in her hottub
- When she goes to the beach, cats try to bury her
- So she goes to another beach and GreenPeace tries to push her back in the
water
- She has get the baby drunk to breast feed it
- When she was born the doctor slapped her mother
LOL, anything else is HB10...
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 28 May 2002 18:27:00 GMT
subject: Acquiring Social Proof
On 5/27/02 1:02:00 AM, AllWeatherGal wrote:

>Chiming in from the receiving end of
>this treatment to say "yep ... totally
>works!" Over and over and over :)
Heh, AWG, sounds like you would be putty in my hands...
>;-)
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com 3 somes / 177
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 30 May 2002 00:09:00 GMT
subject: 3 somes
On 5/29/02 5:57:00 PM, UnderWearMan wrote:

>Have her pick up a guy. You
>can have a 3 some that way
>too. And it’s a lot less work
>on your part.
Fuck that. You want hot sex with two hotties - not a goddamn swordfight.
Who was it that said "Only one penis per fantasy"? My sentiments exactly. Chalk
it up to me just not liking guys too much - they tend to get in my way.
Here’s what you do: Approach a girl and tell her that your girlfriend thinks
she is very attractive and sexy. But she is too shy to approach - so you are
doing it for her. Act like it is the most natural thing in the world.
Keep yourself out of it - you are setting THEM up. Not you and them. Always act
like you are not going to be involved. Just the two of them, But don’t worry,
if and when it gets hot, you will be absorbed into it as well.
If the girl’s receptive, wave your girlfriend over, and orchestrate the fluff
talk. They might be too shy or nervous. Keep it going, and if they like each
other, things might happen.
Heh, one time I did this with my girlfriend. The chick came over to my house
with us and I pretended I was tired and went to bed. I left them talking on the
couch. They were both extremely nervous, so I knew that without me around,
things would start. I waited about 45 minutes, and then "woke up" to get a
"drink of water".
Lots of nekkidness when I came out of the bedroom and I just waded in...
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Re: On Battling The Flakiness of the Young Ones / 178
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 30 May 2002 05:35:00 GMT
newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast.advanced
subject: Re: On Battling The Flakiness of the Young Ones
On 5/30/02 9:09:00 AM, kooper wrote:

>do you put on more value on her BECAUSE
>you can´t have her?
Very good question, Kooper. I’ve always chased girls. But it’s only been since
I discovered this community (in March or so) that I started to think about and
analyze my game. It’s amazing how much I’ve learned.
Short answer, no. It isn’t because I can’t have her. There are only a few girls
that I have discovered in my life that have this effect on me. And it’s weird.
They are the ones who can somehow see through my bullshit and get into my
bloodstream. They get an iron grip on me. This is true whether I get them or
not.
And this girl isn’t even all that hot - certainly a 9 - but I’ve been with
prettier girls. I can’t explain it. I just started thinking about her all the
time. It is beyond physical. With everyone else, that’s about all it is.
For example, last Saturday, I went with some friends to a nightclub and I got
eight phone numbers offered to me. We were surrounded by the hottest girls in
the club. It was totally on. And yet, I haven’t even bothered to call any of
them - for two reasons. One, I am getting lots of play right now and none of
them interests me enough to expend the energy to phone them and set up a coffee
date or dinner at my house or whatever. And two, I keep thinking about this
fucking *girl*.
>
>if you could have fucked her right away,
>would she have been an excess girl too?
>
No, but she would definitely become my primary. In fact, maybe that’s what’s
bugging me lately. I don’t really have a primary right now. Just lots of pretty
FBs that I don’t find intellectually stimulating.
>is it a criteria for the "one" that you

>can´t have her?
Don’t get me wrong. By the *one*, I don’t mean THE ONE. If I got with her, it
would only be as a MLTR. I am not interested anymore in lying to myself or to a
girl that I can be "faithful". I can’t. So I have to be honest.
I answered no to all of your questions, Kooper. But I guess the real answer is
maybe. Hard to know for sure until it actually happened.
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Sorry, RJ, if we’ve twisted your post off topic.
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com On Battling The Flakiness of the Young Ones / 179
On Battling The Flakiness of the Young Ones / 179
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 30 May 2002 06:02:00 GMT
subject: On Battling The Flakiness of the Young Ones
Flaky chicks are my Achille’s Heel.
I am adept at almost all other aspects of the game, but flakes really ruin my
play.
Here’s me with plans with a girl to do something and then she flakes. Man, when
that happens, I usually just sit on my couch, scratching myself, and watching
tv for the night.
Sure I could call up some other girlfriend. I just don’t feel like it. With
some girls, of course, who cares? They flake, you laugh and move on. But I tend
to get crushes on about 3 or 4 girls at any given time. If one of them flakes,
I want them, I want them, I want them. Heh, oneitis of a sort. Except it’s with
several girls.
And yes, I’ve tried the cold technique that you propose. Lots of times, it
works. In fact, I agree with you that it is about the only thing that does
work. But not all the time. And that’s what sucks.
Translation of the above: I got flaked on tonight. Grrrr
Color me pissed...
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Bars FR / 180
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 30 May 2002 11:45:00 GMT
subject: Bars FR
On 5/30/02 2:36:14 AM, beerbonghangover wrote:

>Talked to
>my wing. He’s
>kind of freaking cause the
>girls aren’t super model
>types. Anyway guess what
>happens. Three real HB’s walk
>up and sit down next to these
>girls. Wing says
>he’s getting a bad vibe
>(really chickenshit) and we
>leave.
>
>Anyway what did I learn?
Hopefully you learned that your wing sucks. Never let a friend ruin your game.
Next time, go it alone.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 30 May 2002 13:26:00 GMT
subject: Re: On Battling The Flakiness of the Young Ones
On 5/30/02 7:07:00 AM, Commander Zap wrote:

>Not me, I go out sarging! A
>couple of Saturdays ago I had
>incipient one-itis (impatience
>is the first symptom), cured
>this but quick by PU’ing and
>scoring a couple days later
>w/HB Redhead, M.D. (inter
>alia). Seriously, I look
>upon it as bonus sarging time,
>good for what ails you!
>
>Consider it, Zan!
Of course you are right, Zap. I was just feeling sorry for myself this evening
and venting here.
The problem I have with FTOW is that I’m not sure it always works to get over
oneitis. We sure believe it is the cure. But always? Let me rephrase that. I’m
not sure it works for me.
I have found that if I have oneitis for a girl, and I go out and FTOW (and
believe me, I do), I still think about *her*. Maybe it’s because I CAN have the
10 other women, but I CAN’T have the *one* I like. I dunno.
I have a different girl around me all the time. I always have some play going
at any given time. In fact, I structure my whole life around maximizing HB
returns. For instance, a buddy wants to go fishing for a weekend. I ditch
because all I can think of is two days without a girl in sight. Fucked up
thinking, yeah, I know. Just the way I am. I constantly need to be around
women.
I tend to get oneitis bad. And this tendency is what stops me from becoming a
true PUA in my mind. I get laid all the time - far more than most guys I know.
But lately it has been with throwaway chicks. Don’t get me wrong - they are all
pretty with good bodies - and I adore them and shower them with affection. And
they are the kind of girls who are used to being chased - not doing the
chasing. Most guys would love to have one of them.
It’s just that I can take them or leave them and they can sense that. That’s
why I can get away with showering them with affection. Any one of them would
instantly become my LTR, if I chose. Just doesn’t interest me.
I just call them up when I am bored and/or lonely and/or horny. They know
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that’s all it is and it tends to make them sad. But they come around anyway -
bringing me food and taking care of me. But really they are just place holders
- someone to sex me - while I fucking pine away for the *one* I really like.
And don’t get me wrong. I wheel new girls all the time. I get phone numbers and
shit flying at me left and right. But in the back of my mind, I am thinking
about the other *girl* that I can’t have.
So FTOW doesn’t work for me. Of course, if I happened to stumble upon a girl
that I started to really like in the TOW, I know the other *one* would
immediately fade into nothing. I am not stupid. I know she is just a girl. And
I know if I do land her, I will probably be bored of her right away.
FTOW works for most, but not me. I get far more relief and comfort from reading
information about attitude and how it is *her* loss. For instance:
www.fastseduction.com/c/s.cgi?97848087283573-pug
I read that and then I am back on my game again.
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Do I have to fuck the UGs? / 182
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:01:00 GMT
subject: Do I have to fuck the UGs?
Neo-Rio, everyone has a special purpose in life. And you have just discovered
yours. To fuck UGs - thus saving the rest of us the trouble. Thanks bro, we owe
you one.
>;^)
Seriously though, my game is the same as your game. I flirt and bust and kino
anyone within range. The idea is to leverage the exponential power of social
proof.
But maybe my overtures to UGs are more oblique than yours. I don’t seem to have
the problem of them thinking that by me "hitting" on them, I actually want to
take their ass to bed.
And also remember "There is no such thing as bad publicity". The very fact that
you have a reputation and that all girls are talking about you is very good.
Who cares if it appears they are saying bad things about you - calling you a
tease or whatever. Completely ignore it and carry on with your game. Believe
me, most of the girls that are saying stuff about you are secretly wanting to
be the one to "correct" your errant ways.
Next time some UG says she wants to fuck you, just say "Sorry, but I’m too
drunk to operate heavy equipment".
You philandering UG pussy tease, you!
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com How trashing other guys can fuck up your game / 183
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author: "Zan"
date: Fri, 31 May 2002 05:47:00 GMT
subject: How trashing other guys can fuck up your game
On 5/31/02 6:46:54 AM, Neo-Rio wrote:

>By warning other women away
>from certain guys, you
>associate the other guys’
>behaviour with yourself.
I do the opposite. I talk up other guys as excellent boyfriend material for the
girl - and warn her about me. All said with a smile and a wink, of course.
ME: That guy is the perfect type for you. And you can tell that he would do
anything for you. He will give you dinners and movies and flowers and
love-dovey cards. I, on the other hand, am high maintenance. Whatever you do,
don’t hang around with me. I demand a lot. I need lots of attention. And I’m
certainly not the kind of guy you need right now. I most definitely will break
your heart.
HER: Blah blah blah
ME: You still here? I tried to warn you...
IME, girls tend to stick to you like glue if you drop comments like that.
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com The Pawn Paradox / 184
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author: "Zan"
date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:01:00 GMT
subject: The Pawn Paradox
It’s simple. Running into and chatting up UG LJBFs at a club or something IS

good social proof. No different than chatting up a bunch of guys. Social proof
is social proof. And the more you befriend UGs and guys, the less CBing you
will experience.
However, if you ARRIVE WITH the UGs and/or hang around the UGs all night, you
will have absolutely zero value to any HBs present.
In the same vein, sitting with a bunch of UGs in a restaurant or pub = very bad
if HB sees you. Flitting from table to table and chatting up and busting on the
UGs at a table = very good if HB sees you.
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Update on HB9.5 Bartender / 185
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author: "Zan"
date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:10:00 GMT
subject: Update on HB9.5 Bartender
Not bad, not bad. You will most likely land this chick - as long as you keep
your game consistent. Don’t let up busting on her.
Forget her number - set up a time and place instead. On your terms.
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com DYD Seminar - Review (Long) / 186
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author: "Zan"
date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 02:53:00 GMT
subject: DYD Seminar - Review (Long)
On 5/31/02 7:09:00 PM, sandworm wrote:

>Correct; but DeAngelo is NOT teaching
>that second part; to him, it is
>unnecessary. Just be the
>cocky-funny/controlling Alpha and her
>genetics will cause her to automatically
>want to hump your stump, without the
>rest of the demonstrating understanding,
>intuition, etc. etc.
>
>Same with Mystery, Toecutter and the
>rest; display your personality and no
>need for that pussy understanding stuff.
And yet surely you cannot deny the success of these guys in the field. In that
respect, perhaps it IS enough to just "display your personality" and they will
want to jump you.
N’est pas?
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Internet Meeting / 187
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author: "Zan"
date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 05:01:00 GMT
subject: Internet Meeting
Stu, make sure you keep us up to date on what happened and what she *actually*
looks like.
I am very curious. Online meeting of girls is something I have never tried. And
frankly, I am skeptical that one can actually meet a quality bonafide HB on one
of these services. Seems to me they wouldn’t need to resort to advertising.
It’s kind of like my software development company - I have never had any
business cards made up because I just don’t have to. We’re already swamped with
business.
I sure hope I’m proven wrong by your girl...
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com 1st Outing As RAFC Please Read Need Advice (Long) / 188
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author: "Zan"
date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 05:58:00 GMT
subject: 1st Outing As RAFC Please Read Need Advice (Long)
On 6/1/02 11:23:00 AM, TheLowDown wrote:

>This is a story on how my
>first attempt on sarging went
>(and failed) but there are
>also several humorous examples
>of HUGE AFC’s and there
>hilarious attempts on
>"pulling" women.
LowDown, this was a great story. Of course it was longer than a Russian novel
and had more characters than Marquez’s "A Hundred Years of Solitude", but it
WAS very entertaining.
Keep it up and you will soon find all of this second nature. You have the
attitude down and believe me, it will take you very, very far in this life.
Don’t lose it.
>
>Anyway I discovered ASF about
>a week ago and have read most
>of the material and I am a
>Realized AFC and I know I have
>to do something about it.
Ha, sounds like Alcoholics Anonymous. "Hi my name is LowDown, and I have a
problem..."
>I went to the disco in

>T-shirt, jeans and trainers. I
>got there and started chatting
>and being chummy with my mates
>and the bouncers immediately,
>it was great social proof! The
>guy on the door even gave me
>my ticket for half price,
>would have been great social
>proof if any one had seen!
YOU saw. And it raised your level of positivity.
>HB Straw: You’re strange

>(I thought, oh well, that’s my
>first C&B, but then she gave
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>me a cheeky smile and laughed

>out loud! Then kino’d my arm)
>HB Straw: You can go to the
>bar after me when I have
>finished if you want?
>Me: If you ever do finish! I
>thought you only came up here
>for a straw! (NEG, kino on
>arm)
>
>She finally gets her straws
>and says
>HB Straw: I’m goin now
>Me: Thank god! I can get a
>drink now! (NEG)
This was actually pretty good. Exactly the kind of thing I would have said to
her. I bust on them all the time - like they are in my way or bothering me. Say
it with the right tone of voice and demeanor and they love it.
>Then HB Gola and UG Velour and

>UG Hippo reappeared really
>drunk, both UG’s were falling
>all over me so I decided I may
>as well use it as Social Proof
>and got hugs of both of the
>Ugly bitches. UG Velour hugged
>me really tight and started
>rubbing her against me!? I
>thought, "Hey, this is great
>Social Proof because they
>don’t look to bad if you can’t
>see their faces, I should save
>some for later when I need
>it!"
Hahaha. "...they don’t look to bad if you can’t see their faces...". Now that’s
funny!
>HB Hottie
>was REALLY hot tonight, I went
>through a really bad AFC stage
>of fancying her and having
>e-mail conversations with her
>every day, but she never
>actually spoke to my in
>person! So I thought it was
>time to put that right, as
>well as try some of my new
>skills.
Good for you. See what I mean by you having the attitude down?
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>HB Hottie: Yeah, it’s great,

>you can buy me a drink if you
>want?
>
>She obviously at this point
>didn’t understand that I
>didn’t supplicate, so I had to
>show her...
>
>Me: No, I don’t buy drinks,
>I’ll tell you what though, if
>you buy me a drink, I’ll let
>you carry on talking to me.
>HB Hottie: No! (Laughing)
>Me: Alright then...
>
>That was it then, I just
>turned my back and walked
>away, she didn’t have a clue
>what hit her, I loved it! If
>anyone has got comments on
>what else I could have done it
>would be appreciated, but this
>seemed to work fine.
That, my friend, was absolute perfection.
>I went over to talk to some of

>the bouncers and she was just
>stood there looking at me! She
>was desperately trying to make
>eye contact, but I didn’t let
>her! It was great! The to make
>things better a very drunken
>UG Velour came along, so I
>asked her for a hug (making
>sure HB Hottie couldn’t see
>her face) and she started
>grinding herself against me
>again. HB Hottie didn’t stop
>looking at me from then on!
LOL, that’s funny the way you buried the heads of these ugly girls when you
hugged them. Very funny.
>Then HB Gola
>(remember her?) came and sat
>next to The Haileman and
>stared fluff talking me, I was
>bored shitless, so went to get
>up, but she told me to sit
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>down! I said no, and went to

>walk off and she grabbed my
>pint of Coke! So, I had to go
>back and get it and she told
>me she loved me! Isn’t that
>nice! But I thought better of
>it and left
Whoa, slight swerve off your game here, perhaps? Why did you think better of
it? Did you give us all the information here? I think you could have nailed
this one.
>Me: Were did you get those

>boots from? (Leather knee high
>boots)
>HB Hottie: My boyfriend bought
>them for me
>
>I didn’t realize until after
>but I that think this was a
>TEST, I already knew she had a
>boyfriend but he was no match
>for me! I just didn’t clue on!
>I didn’t know what to say,
>(advice and comments
>appreciated!). So I carried on
>the conversation.
Exactly the right thing to do. Ignore her boyfriend comments - shit tests or
not.
>HB Cutie was stood behind be and

>said something to distract her
>and she began to talking her.
>Then I said....
>
>Me: HB Hottie, are you
>listening to me?
>HB Hottie: Yes I am...
Good, demand her full attention.
>All the way the home and when

>I got to bed, I couldn’t
>sleep, because I couldn’t
>believe what had just
>happened. Nothing! and I was
>happy about it for once! This
>is one of the best discos I
>have been to, because before I
>just sat being a wallflower
>waiting for something to
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>happen, but this time, I went

>out and had a good time for
>myself. This was also the
>first step away for being an
>AFC, not a big one, but in
>comparison to some of the
>AFC’s at the disco, well... at
>least I realize I am one and
>I’m trying to do something
>about it!
Remember this feeling, LowDown, because if you continue with this attitude, and
approach no matter what, and laugh off rejections, you are going to have that
feeling many times.
You say you’ve only been reading this ASF stuff for a week? I’d say you are
doing pretty damn good, if that’s the case. There are guys who read this stuff
for a year, and still don’t have the guts to try approaching a girl.
In fact, I suspect you are a natural - you just don’t know it yet.
Good for you...
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 07:21:00 GMT
subject: Re: Social proof from family - is it worth it?
On 6/1/02 1:55:09 AM, Tunnces wrote:

>If you are making
>your sister
>smile and laugh and have a
>good time then that is even
>better.
Yeah, and if you really want to make those HBs jealous, tongue yer sister down!
Ewwww... just kidding! Tunnces is absolutely right. If you got a hot sister or
cousin, nobody knows anything except that you are hanging with a hottie.
Just don’t use your HB10 mother for social proof. That would just be way too
weird.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 18:23:00 GMT
subject: talkin’ ’bout sex
On 6/1/02 12:34:51 PM, Fatass wrote:

>One view of sex has it that
>the act involves the
>submersion of the ego, a
>merging of identities, a
>melding of souls, communion,
>dissolution, that
>sort of thing, sort of a
>romantic-intellectual
>perspective. Anybody have
>much luck pursuing this line
>of thought in conversation
>with --um-- a
>target?
Sort of, you have to have a smart chick to be able to convey that intellectual
kind of communion.
But I kind of do a variation of this melding of souls theme. It is a very big

part of my game. This is the kind of stuff I talk up and down and sideways when
I am trying to lay a chick.
For instance, here’s something I say when a girl is acting resistant or says
she wants to "get to know me" for a while before she will sleep with me.
ME: HB, it is not in my nature to experience things only partially. I am a bon

vivant; I like to live well, and I need to experience everything in its
entirety. If I travel to another country, I don’t stay on the tourist track; I
can’t help but immerse myself fully into the culture - to absorb it through my
skin, to breathe it, to live it, to fade into it. Or for another example, wine
- you, HB, are like a fine wine of the rarest vintage. I can’t be content with
just looking at you. I absolutely must experience this wine on all levels. I
need to smell it, to draw in the exquisite bouquet, to carefully observe its
clarity and color, its texture and nuance. And finally, I must drink it all in,
savoring every drop, tasting it, experiencing it, breathing it, living it,
fading into it...
Heh, maybe someone should turn this into the "Wine Pattern" or something...
I say it all the time, and find it is great industrial strength panty remover.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 17:46:00 GMT
subject: Re: www.seductionbb.com
On 6/2/02 12:41:00 AM, formhandle wrote:

>And I’ve got the best
>variation known to man of the
>universal opener that’s never
>garnered a bad response except
>for chicks with horns on their
>heads... for such knowledge,
>I’m asking:
>
>ONE *BILLION* DOLLARS!
Hmmm, I think you just gave it away for free, formhandle. Just go up to a chick
and say "ONE BILLION DOLLARS".
That’s gotta work...
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 18:59:00 GMT
subject: Question: On Getting into an LTR
On 6/2/02 1:09:00 PM, persiod2002 wrote:

>If I plan on getting into an
>LTR, perhaps with an HB to
>last a few years, what are
>your thoughts on how to
>proceed??
How about this. Go out and meet a girl...
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author: "Zan"
date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 05:31:00 GMT
subject: Re: cocky funny examples
On 6/3/02 11:51:19 AM, yaritai wrote:

> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>.com...
>
>> > -by the face of the people
>overthere, you’ve farted
>> > really bad!! :-)
>> Er, could we try and keep bodily
>functions until the close?
>> Never tried that one, but I think
>it would get me a couple
>> of scathing looks and no further.
>
>I love this one! I LOL’d! I could see
>this working really well. I’m going to
>try it. (My twist - and only if she’s
>alone, "how come you’re here all alone
>and everyone else is way over there? Did
>you fart or something?)
Ha ha, that is funny. Reminds me of the time I was driving and had my brother
in the passenger seat. We pulled up to a red light and there was a carfull of
hot girls next to us at the light - on my brother’s side of the car.
My brother looked over at these HBs, and started to roll his window down as if
to talk to them. The girl who was driving that car saw him do this and
proceeded to roll her window down as well - thinking he wanted to talk to her.
He looked over at her and said, "What’s the matter? Did someone fart in your
car, too?"
I just about pissed myself laughing and so did the girls. The girl who was
driving sure looked embarassed.
LOL
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date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 05:46:00 GMT
subject: another reason cocky & funny works
On 6/3/02 12:11:16 PM, yaritai wrote:

>I was just thinking about this
>and I don’t know if David D
>has actually
>pointed it out or not, but I
>will. The common thinking,
>which I’m sure is
>right on the money, is that
>being cocky and funny shows
>her that you’re not
>scared or intimidated into
>playing the supplication role
>with her. That you
>feel comfortable enough to
>bust her balls, so you’re not
>scared of losing
>her enough to change your
>behavior to what most guys
>guess is ’acceptable’
>and ’desireable’ for chicks.
>That, plus the simple fact
>that being cocky and
>funny is a hell of a lot more
>fun for the chick (and you)!!!
>
>But in addition to all of
>this, on a deeper level, and
>perhaps just as
>importantly, I think there’s
>another reason why it works.
>Think about it.
>WHO are you usually cocky and
>funny with? Who do you tease?
>Who do you
>insult (jokingly)? Who do you
>give a hard time to? The
>answer is: people you
>are quite close to and have a
>good solid relationship with.
>There must be
>some deep psychological shit
>going on in her that says, "if
>he’s acting like
>this (a way that people only
>act with their closest of
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>friends, family, gfs,

>etc.) then we must be quite
>close!" Click, whirrrr...
Yaritai, you are spot on, my friend. I have the same feeling about this that
you do. Nothing gets results for me better than a cocky/funny approach.
Example from Saturday night at a very crowded night club. I was trying to make
my way to the bar to order a drink and was just about there, when a girl tapped
me on the shoulder. She was hot, hot, hot and she was with two hot, hot, hot
friends.
HER: (smiling sweetly) Hey, I think you should let me and my friends go ahead
of you because today is my birthday!
ME: (smiling even more sweetly) Wow! Really? That’s weird because today is my
birthday too!
HER: Really? No, I don’t believe you. What’s you sign?
ME: Um, let’s see. Gemini? Scorpio? Leo? Capricorn?
HER: (smiling and wagging her finger at me) I knew it! It’s not your birthday!
ME: (acting like I just got caught) Awright, you caught me. I am lying. It’s
not my birthday.
HER: Hee hee, well guess what. It’s not my birthday today either. It’s really
tomorrow. But we’re celebrating today. So, now you HAVE to let us go ahead of
you to the bar.
ME: Fuck that! You lied to me about your birthday!
HER: But so did you!
ME: (big smile) Yeah, but you lied first.
Then I turned around and ordered my drink. As I was walking away, I said,
"Seeya later, birthday girl".
Heh, they followed me around all night.
Zan
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date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:55:00 GMT
subject: openers...do u guys use compliments?
For what it’s worth, the best PUA I have ever seen (bar none) used compliments
all the time. Now, I get a lot of women; I don’t have to chase too much. But
this guy was miles ahead of me. He is turning 40 this Friday and his current
LTR was Miss Nude USA several years ago.
We would be standing around talking and a HB10 would walk by. He would stop her
and say (with a smile and a voice like he was talking to his 7 year old niece
or something), "Hi Sweetie! How are you today? You have the prettiest smile
I’ve ever seen. Stop and talk to us for a minute."
Man, I used to wing with this guy all the time. I was with him and saw him
approach probably more than 500 girls since I’ve known him (over 10 years).
Never, ever - not once - did I see a girl throw up a bitch shield around him.
It was uncanny. He had no method for getting around the girl’s bitch shields
because the moment he started talking to her, she had none.
Hard to believe, but it is absolutely true. I think he must have just smelled
like pussy all the time; women can sense it.
And lest you think he had some advantage over you, he was a backhoe operator
for a gas company. We used to roam to events and nightclubs in other cities for
"road trips" and wherever we would go, we would immediately talk our way past
the bouncers, and then we would literally own the entire place. Almost as easy
as walking in, lining the girls up, and then pointing one out and taking her
home.
I think the more skilled you become and the more confidence you exude and the
more you get laid, the less it matters what you say or what your approach is.
Zan
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subject: Would like 2 discuss ’I wanna bring friends’ test
I liked what I read on this forum a while back. It was an email exchange
betweeen BadForm and HBLips. I sure liked the way he handled it.
He emailed the chick and tried to set up a meeting. The girl emailed him back
saying something like, "Sure, I’d love to come. Oh by the way, another friend
is coming as well, if that’s ok..."
His email answer? "Three’s a crowd. Not interested."
I love that. Perfect answer. Succinct and to the point.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 01:25:00 GMT
subject: What women REALLY want. Rant but a must read.
Gunwitch, first off let me say that I agree with everything you have said.
Using this caveman club swinging will work a lot of the time.
However, what really is the goal? To fuck as many women as possible? Or to fuck
as many 9s and 10s as possible? Or to fuck only quality girls that normally
don’t have a mattress strapped to their backs? Or to find and fuck only the
ones that are really hard to get?
The answer to all of these questions is yes. They are all the goals of what we
are trying to do here - different for each of us.
For instance, is it my goal to fuck as many women as possible? Hardly. I could

tell you how many women I’ve fucked, but you’d think I was full of shit. This
however, as you stated, is YOUR goal. And that is perfectly acceptable. Your
style will work for that.
But my goal is to consistently be able to land the 9s and 10s that are
extremely hard to get. THAT is MY game. Yeah, I could go home every night with
a 6 - 8. Fucking boring. Been there, done that.
In an earlier post, you said this:
"Women dont LIKE the guys they fuck, they arent comfortable with the guys they
fuck they are TURNED ON by the guys they fuck."
Well, I want the girls to like me. That is how I win. That is the goal of my
seduction. I could fuck them and move on, but the real prize is to have them
thinking about me wistfully years from now.
That is the power I need over girls - to conquer their hearts and not just
their pussy. Then I can take them or leave them. It is all about power to me, I
guess. The power to seduce them to the point where they are completely helpless
around me.
If I go straight for the pussy, I’ll probably get it, but then they can just
say (and think): "Big deal. I wanted to fuck him. So what? Ho hum."
Next time she sees you, she might not give a shit about you - or worse hate you
for fucking her and ditching her.
And like I said, there is nothing wrong with that - if that’s your goal.
Anyway, carry on, brother. Go get them bitches...
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 17:48:00 GMT
subject: Re: Question: On Getting into an LTR
On 6/3/02 2:44:21 PM, lovedrop wrote:

>"Relationship first, maybe
>sex later" == LJBF. "Sex
>first, maybe
>relationship later" ==
>effective strategy
Very, very well said, lovedrop. I like that. Packages the whole sentiment up
very neatly - and accurately. Maybe you should use it as your sig.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 18:38:00 GMT
subject: has to do with goals(was What women REALLY want)
On 6/4/02 11:32:00 AM, ernfun wrote:

>I think a goal of the asf
>crowd should be to know
>exactly what kind of people
>you are going after, and
>tailor your style
>appropriately, but MORE
>importantly, to use the
>materials to be the kind of
>social being you WANT to be.
>For me, I have no desire to
>bang hundreds of women just
>for the variety (or because I
>can). But I *would* like the
>ability to be able to seduce
>the ones I find exceptional.
Exactly. And Gunwitch will eventually find this out for himself. He is getting
a lot of action right now - but this is what he says:
"Id say ive been doin 7-8s with this tactic, one 8.5 - 9."
Believe me, Gun, when you HAVE fucked hundreds of women, they all start to
blend together. 7s and 8s will hardly seem worth the effort. You are getting a
lot of tail right now, but after several years of it, I think you will be
feeling like I do. And that is - any girl that I can talk into a bathroom in 30
minutes is not worth my time. In fact, that is the very moment that I lose
interest in her. She’s heading to the bathroom, I’m heading out the fucking
door. I’ve already won.
Why do you think celebrities are so fucked up? Because they have lost the
challenge in life. We all think that if we become rich and famous, we will be
banging all the hot model bitches and all our friends will think we are damn
cool.
But when we do become rich and famous, and banging hot chicks gets real easy,
it ceases to be desirable. Weird, but true. Eminem has said that he rarely
fucks women any more because it’s too damn easy (read boring). We might want to
drive a Ferrari, but when we are rich enough that we could buy a hundred of
them, we lose interest. It is no longer fun - because the fun was in the
desiring.
I am a womanizer. I love women. I could fuck a different woman evey night (the
goal of some here), and for a long time, I did. But I am first and foremost a
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seducer. Seducing to me isn’t about getting fast pussy and then getting more
fast pussy. I said it before - I want to seduce the mind.
Tunnces mentioned that Gun’s method is to "Seduce her body and she’ll give you
her mind." Doesn’t sound like what he is saying to me. He wants the pussy only
- she can keep her mind.
Gunwitch is simply MRSex4UNYC redux. It’s all been said and done before. A
perfectly valid and likeable style. Some of the best inspiration for me has
been reading some of his old posts. This fact, however, does not cast
aspersions on Mystery and Juggler and those guys. They are accomplished artists
who have realized that getting pussy is the easy part. The ASF material is
quite mind-centric because winning the mind is the hardest type of seduction to
do.
Don’t get me wrong - I like sex and want it constantly, and in a pinch I will
grab the nearest 7 or 8. And believe me, when I am wheeling a chick, I am all
about sex and it’s on. I go pretty hardcore GM. However, that in my mind is not
seduction. That is getting a quick and easy lay - looking over her shoulder for
a girl that will give me a real challenge.
All you Gunwitch disciples, flame me if you must. It sounds like I am trying to
argue against his method. I am not - it is very effective and admirable. I
suspect Gunwitch is young and feeling his oats. And well he should. And yes, he
should go out there and get all the tail he can. He deserves it - he’s got
style and skills.
And some of you guys are probably thinking, "Shut the fuck up, Zan! This is a
proven way to get pussy. That is my goal - to get more pussy than I am
currently getting. Get out of my way!"
*Chuckle* Just trying to play devil’s advocate...
Zan
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date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 22:01:00 GMT
subject: Ex-wives of impotent men!
LOL, forget the EX-wives. How about just the wives of impotent men?
All of your list, Zap, but without the public stuff and cost.
Erm, uh, not that I would know...
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 19:37:00 GMT
subject: Re: Asking girls to get tested
I saw a study once in the Economist. They analyzed the HIV stats in Britain for
the last 20 years. Turns out that the number of cases of transmission between
heterosexual women and men in that period was almost nonexistent.
What scares me more than STDs is fucking pregnancy. The bitch can lie about
being on the pill or whatever.
And if she does lie, BAM! Instant paternity suit.
Paying fucking $500 a month for the next 18 years is pretty damn scary.
Zan
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date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 19:40:00 GMT
subject: OT: Handle Change
On 6/5/02 3:05:00 AM, PUA_GrandPoobah wrote:

>PUA_GrandPoobah (was
>RAFC_London)
>
>"THE BRAVE MAY NOT LIVE
>FOREVER
>BUT THE CAUTIOUS DO LIVE AT
>ALL"
Hey, GrandPoobah. I also notice you change from RAFC to PUA. Good for you.
Also, your sig is broke. Should read "cautious do NOT live at all", nicht wahr?
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 19:49:00 GMT
subject: The ’69 Shirt’ Opener
Heh, OT but a friend showed me this link yesterday:
http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/apparel/frustrations.shtml
I think we should buy a bunch of those tshirts with "RTFM" on them and have
formhandle give them out to new people who sign up.
>:-)
Zan
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date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 20:04:00 GMT
subject: Taking a shit at their place
Several years ago, my brother laid some major cable at the house of a ONS. He
goes to flush it, and the damn thing plugged the hell up and overflowed all
over her bathroom.
Yuck! He told me there was toilet paper and crap and water all over her
bathroom floor and there was no plunger or anything.
LOL, he had no choice but to go tell her.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 20:13:00 GMT
subject: KICK ME IN THE FUCKING ASS!!
Why not just remember all of the phone numbers? I use a little mnenomic trick
and man, I still remember phone numbers and names from girls from 10 years ago.
If you want to learn how, let me know. Takes a little practice, but well worth
it. I can remember 10 phone numbers a night. And thing is, I never forget them
- ever.
OT
Zan
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subject: KICK ME IN THE FUCKING ASS!!
On 6/5/02 3:40:00 PM, illSpirit wrote:

>Thats some Jedi Force Memory....Yeah I
>want to learn how to do it. Should i
>e-mail you or are you gonna post it?
Hell yeah, I’ll post it as soon as I have more time. Soon.
Zan
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date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 20:52:00 GMT
subject: Re: RANT...I need serious help
On 6/5/02 3:41:50 PM, fishbowl.tempe.az wrote:

>Hmm. I’m wondering whether the DAD
>wants some of this 16y.o. bad girl
>action. Before you flame me, remember
>that the original poster is 19.
>If he’s in the USA, there’s no
>distinction between him fucking her and
>the dad fucking her. Wouldn’t that be
>funny, both he and his dad doing
>15-20 for statrape on the same chick.
Dunno about the states. But here in Canada, it’s only statrape if she is under
14. Holy fucking shit!
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 05:17:00 GMT
subject: Taking a shit at their place
Man, are we or alphas or aren’t we? Here’s what you do.
You’re at the house of some sweet ass HB you just met an hour ago and you are
making out with her. All of a sudden nature calls and you have to take a dump.
Just remember: you are the prize! Take charge.
Just stand up, scratch your belly, and say "I’ll be right back. I just have to
drop the kids off at the pool." Head into the can (leave the door wide open),
let loose, and come back out and ask her to give you head.
:-0
Zan
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date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 05:24:00 GMT
subject: Giants and freaks at the club

>When lo and behold, out of
>nowhere, the Creature comes
>after me! It is unbelievable,
>I am short (but muscular and
>well-endowed!), this guy could
>kill me with one hand, here he
>wants to pick a fight with me,
>I haven’t done *anything* to
>him, I haven’t even been
>*near* him or very much looked
>at him. I just gaze up at him
>in amazement (too astounded to
>retreat I think) as he comes
>for me, his handlers pull him
>away, slap him on the back,
>it’s okay big fella, and they
>let *me* know that it’s
>nothing and this kind of thing
>happens all the time! So the
>Creature is sort of mental I
>guess! Have fun HB 9.3! It
>really was like they were
>trainers of a zoo animal, no
>kidding.
Why did he get pissed at you all of a sudden? What did you do?
>Then, then for no known reason

>she tells me with a big casual
>and sweet smile, in some
>detail, about the time that
>she killed, prepared, cooked,
>served, and ate
>
>.... a dog. It wasn’t a game,
>it wasn’t a put-on, she wasn’t
>really trying to shock me, but
>she wanted to tell me what it
>was like, etc.
Holy shit, Zap! Where the fuck do you live? That is one hella scary freak show.
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date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 05:33:00 GMT
subject: Re: Negs. intensity should not depend on looks.......
On 6/6/02 12:32:59 AM, slickeddiez wrote:

>Man, I wish Mystery were still
>around, he could explain it
>better than
>me anyway...
Yeah, where is he these days? Any idea?
Zan
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date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 06:41:00 GMT
subject: Re: Asking girls to get tested
On 6/6/02 12:44:14 AM, Fatass wrote:

>I looked into it and talked to a couple
>of docs about it, and they
>backed her up 100%. After the dust
>cleared, I fucked her for another
>ten years.
Yup, I hear you, Fatass. I had a LTR that lasted for 9 years. She had herpes. I
was really freaked at first, but after researching, I realized it’s no big
deal. And you can’t catch it unless she is in the middle of an outbreak.
Turns out she never had a single outbreak the whole time I was with her. After
several months, I plain forgot about it and so did she. I would remember that
she had it about once a year or so.
I fucked her without a condom almost every day for 9 years and I never caught
it.
And dammit, I miss her. She was one fine girl.
:-(
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 07:53:00 GMT
subject: As per request: Remembering phone numbers
Sort of off-topic, but...
Someone asked me to post the technique I use to remember telephone numbers. I

mentioned that I have been using a mnenomic device for years. And I still
remember phone numbers from way back - like 10 or more years.
In fact, with this system (which takes a fair bit of work to learn), I used to
win bets. I would have someone write down a random number that was 100 digits
long. Then I would have him read it off to me (sort of slowly). I wouldn’t even
look at it. When he was finished, I could recite the 100 digit number forwards
or backwards or start in the middle and go any direction. In fact, I can still
remember some of those 100 digit numbers to this day.
It was cool and I would win bets all the time. If you take the time to learn
this, you will remember phone numbers with ease. There are other systems out
there; this is just the one that I learned.
Here is the gist of it:
Pictures are far more easy to remember than numbers. So basically you
transcribe the numbers into nouns. Every numeral has a corresponding consonant
sound. You just have to remember the small chart below. For instance, 3 always
has a ’m’ sound and 1 always has a ’d’ or ’t’ sound. See below.
0 - s, z, soft-c
1 - d, t, th
2 - n
3 - m
4 - r
5 - L
6 - j, sh, soft-ch, soft-g
7 - k, hard-c, hard-g, ng
8 - f, v
9 - p, b
So once you remember this chart, and someone gives you a phone number, you use
the letters above to try to make nouns from the numerals. Just add whatever
vowels are necessary to make your words.
For instance, girl gives you 379-2436. Hard to remember this phone number. But
if we transcribe the digits to the consonant sounds from our chart, we get:
3 - m
7 - k
9 - p
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4 - r
2 - n
4 - r
1 - t
Remember it is the *sounds* of these consonants that is important. For instance

the 8 could be either a ’v’ or a ’f’ sound and the 9 could be either a ’p’ or a
’b’ sound. Whatever works better for your word.
So in the above example, chick says ’3794241’. In my mind I am thinking

’m-k-p-r-n-r-t’. Then I just make up words around this until something clicks.
Like:
"make brown rat" (hmmm)

or
"my cab ran red" (picture a cab running a red light)
or
"make porn art" (Bingo!)
Picture this vivdly in your mind. Now when I think about this girl, I will
remember ’make porn art’ - I think of her and I making porn art together. And
now I will never forget her number. Just transcribe it back.
Ha ha, just describing it makes me think, "Ah, just go grab a fucking pen". Too
much work. But believe me, you will use it in other areas of your life as well.
It sounds far more difficult than it really is. Doesn’t take long to get
proficient and very fast at it. If you practice this for awhile - just do it at
your desk or the subway or whatever. Glance at something until you see a number
(like on a box or sign) and then practice making words out of it. You can
practice anywhere all day long.
Don’t know how you other guys do it, but this is what I do. Maybe there is an
easier way? I would be very interested in learning an easier method.
More info at :
http://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newTIM_07.htm
Zan
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date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 20:53:00 GMT
subject: Re: PU Checklist

>A PEN and PAPER.
LOL, Fatass. You still kicking yourself?
Here’s mine:
- blow up doll (case I can’t get anything else)

- lace panties (to show her I can be a sensitive man)
- penis pump (shows you care about her needs)
- gimp outfit (with the zipper for the mouth)
- bestiality pics in the wallet (makes girls think about sex)
- mace (case she gives me any shit about "not ready for sex yet")
- handcuffs (don’t worry; I’ll leave food near her once a day)
- red clown nose (hey, you want to stand out in the club)
- no deoderant (shows you are a manly jock type)
- toilet paper hanging out the back of your pants (hey, you’re a busy guy)
- fake doggy-doo (put that on the table and watch them roar; if you can’t find
fake, varnish some real stuff)
>;^)
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 20:26:00 GMT
subject: Re: This is why we don’t sarge online anymore.

>It’s not jailbait here. And I’m
>positively ENTHRALLED by 17-y.o.
>pussy. Guess I’ll have to stay out of
>Illinois.
Ditto for me. In Canada, it’s perfectly legal. My last LTR was 17 when we met.
We stayed together for over 8 years. Ha, and when we started seeing each other,
I used to fuck her and her hot 17 year old friend at the same time - for
months. Here I was at 29 years old, romping in bed with two hottie 17 year
olds. Ah, the memories. Gotta love the crazy, mixed up modelling world. LOL
And now here I am at 38, still chasing 17 - 19 year old tail - their stories
are shorter.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 20:30:00 GMT
subject: what is sarging
Take a deep breath and read the manual, tmac. That means all the FAQs and
guides on formhandle’s site (www.fastseduction.com)
See you in 3 weeks...
Zan
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date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 23:07:00 GMT
On 6/7/02 4:53:00 PM, Tzeen wrote:

>Its tempting to continue to
>sarge this one, but I just
>feel a little funny about it,
>it being started from the
>internet, and the girl being
>seven years younger than me.
Tzeen, shake yer head, man! Seven years difference is not even a difference
worth mentioning, in my mind. Man, I married a girl that was twelve years
younger than me.
You had great rapport with this one and obviously found her mind attractive. A
girl like this is a rara avis. When you find one, best to latch on.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 04:00:00 GMT
subject: Online in french
Hey Treswww, how about giving me a cool (and very short) poem in French - along
with the English translation?
Something I can spring on unsuspecting HBs that will make them immediately take
off their clothes.
:-)
Zan
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date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 11:29:00 GMT
On 6/8/02 4:57:24 AM, yaritai wrote:

>where are you Zan? Van?
Nah, I’m several hours drive away from Vancouver. But I go there all the time
on business...
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:11:00 GMT
subject: Re: Why we don’t talk about sex?
Style, that sounds like my game.
I always play the cocky / funny routine to start. I am comfortable around girls
and bust on them like they were my sister or whatever. But as I continue the
seduction and she is getting interested, I gradually transition to the wounded
romantic - the one who is smitten with her but she can never truly possess.
I lay it on thick - adoration, smooth talk, fall into you, drama, etc. But I
always couch it in temporary terms - much like your pattern. I can’t stay, but
my stay will be memorable.
Just my way.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:56:00 GMT
subject: Re: Why we don’t talk about sex?
On 6/10/02 7:26:38 PM, Style wrote:

>It also works on another level, because
>it’s managing expectations.
>Nice!
>
>Where are you based?
Style, I am based in Vancouver primarily. Although, lately I have been spending

more and more of my time at my place in Kelowna, BC - about 4 hours drive from
Vancouver - in the Okanagan Valley.
Lots of wine, bikinis, beaches, skiing, orchards, sunshine, warm weather, HBs,
etc. University town, vibrant clubs, more relaxed than Vancouver.
Thing is, with my job, I can base myself pretty much anywhere (software
development).
But I sure want to travel to one of Juggler’s workshops. Trying to plan my

business trips around it.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:15:00 GMT
subject: Staring AFCs.
On 6/10/02 7:09:41 PM, Alessandro wrote:

>I can always tell guys to fuck
>off, but I hate the bystanding
>soccer-mom types. You know,
>the fat bitches in plymouth
>vans, with "my
>honor student goes to gayass
>high", etc.
Yes, Alessandro. I know exactly what you are talking about. And these bitches
ALWAYS have those goddawful short hair cuts and big asses wrapped up in sweat
pants. Just watch women’s golf on TV and you will know what I mean.
I always wonder at what point did these women give up on life? When did they
lose their joie de vivre? At some point in their lives, they made some effort
to look nice, to be attractive, to feel good about themselves. And now they
drive their bloated asses around in their bloated minivans and get offended at
Alessandro. Fuck off!
Sometimes I look at people and I am awestruck by their complete and total

ennui. Just look around you and you will see that all the people you look at
have succumbed to mediocrity. What Thoreau calls "quiet desperation".
Man, I will fight against this bullshit mediocrity till the day I die. I hate
it, I hate it, I hate it. Reinforces in my mind that what we are trying to do
in this PUA community - to better ourselves - is absolutely the right thing for
us to do.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 05:51:00 GMT
subject: Re: The Cologne Opener
On 6/12/02 9:32:07 AM, treswww wrote:

>TRESWWW:
I did it this way before, put a
>bit of cologne in each hand (two
>differents) go to the group and
say, hi,
>i just wanted to ask the girls a
>question: which one do you prefer? (make
>her smell)
Or say OHHHHHHHHH whoes the

>cologne i’m smelling right now? (they
>will say Don’t know), so then
you say
>ok: lift the hands everybody who putted
>cologne on herself (in a funny way, as a
>kid
should say that) and then you can
>approach and smell each girl to see if
>she is the one with the
cologne you
>like.
Hey Treswww, I like both of these approaches. Never thought of it before. Dunno
if it is the same cologne opener as the reticent gurus, but I think I will try
it...
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:07:00 GMT
subject: AoS: Which Seducer Are You?
I read this book recently, Maddash, and I think the type that most accurately
describes my style (and my very nature) is the rake.
Very interesting. Thanks for the posts about AoS...
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:28:00 GMT
subject: Interesting Question for PUA’s
Go for it, Alex. Older women jump into the sack much easier than younger ones.
Partly because they want to still feel attractive, and partly because they have
no interest in playing games - they know what they want, and want it now.
Zan
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date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:16:00 GMT
subject: image question
Fatass, that is a very good question. Not sure I have an answer.
I do know, however, that I would sarge them both in front of each other. I love
this kind of situation - it is one area where I naturally excel. Usually I can
play one off of the other to my advantage.
For instance, when you see the waitress walking up to your table, immediately
get into an intense convo with your girl. Doesn’t matter what it is about.
Maybe what you plan to order or something. Lean towards her, eye contact,
laughing, smiling, like what you two are talking about is very interesting.
Then when the waitress arrives, ignore her. Just for a few moments. Continue
your conversation. Then suddenly look up like you just noticed the waitress
standing there.
Now turn your body toward her (away from the girl at your table) and give the
waitress 100% of your attention. Ignore the girl with you like she doesn’t
exist. Big smile to the waitress and immediately bust on her about something.
Cocky & funny. Keep up the rapport with the waitress until she leaves. Most
guys won’t flirt with a waitress when they are with a girl because they think
it will piss her off. But it is essential that you do flirt and in a big way.
Like it’s completely natural.
Then immediately turn back to the girl at the table, wink at her, smile, and
say "Well hello, Sweetie! So what are you having?" Like you just noticed her.
And continue with her. Remember to pour it on whenever the waitress is
approaching. The waitress needs to see that even though you blatantly flirted
with her, you are having a blast with this other hottie. In other words, you
don’t need her.
Keep it up for the rest of the evening, and they will both be interested in
you.
As for paying, it probably doesn’t matter if you work these two correctly.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:54:00 GMT
subject: Newbies, read this.
Hey, Alessandro, are you the guy that wrote Desiderata?
Just kidding, nice affirmations.
As you say, attitude and the love of life are everything...
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 05:52:00 GMT
subject: Newbies, read this.
On 6/17/02 10:06:00 AM, kooper wrote:

>with this attitude i´m also
>happy and i certainly don´t
>mind losing a toy cause there
>are just so many more. i kinda
>can´t identify with that 60ish
>"hippie movement" attitude of
>yours ;)
Dunno if I get the "hippie movement" or "happy, happy, joy, joy" impression
about Alessandro.
I feel his attitude is more along the lines of "I am confident. I love life
because it is full of beautiful women. And they are all here for me. I have
skills and I KNOW without question that I can take any woman home. There are no
obstacles - not boyfriends, not husbands, not circumstances; there is nothing I
can’t conquer. And it makes me damn happy. Anyone who doesn’t understand can
just fuck off and get out of my way."
That is the attitude I read in Alessandro’s posts.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:14:00 GMT
subject: HB negs me
On 6/16/02 12:09:00 AM, trying2rafc wrote:

>I have a not-so-bad body but
>there is very little fluffy
>fat on my hip-sides...
>Everything went on really
>well, I got a lot of IOI..
>like she telling me how good
>my trousers look...
>
>After coming out of the pool,
>I was showing off my thigh
>muscles.. when she suddenly
>commented "I can see your
>sides"...
>
>And believe me, even now,
>after 3 days I get those words
>ringing in my ears.. and I
>want to do a comeback for that
>but dunno how..
Shit man, NOBODY has the perfect body. I work out all the time and I have a far
better body than most guys. But I don’t give a shit if I have "love handles"
and am not perfect.
Fuck it. Just joke about it. If you are totally confident in yourself - and you
need to learn to be if you are not - none of this matters. Girls can smell
confidence.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:42:00 GMT
subject: Re: Uncharted Waters

>Pseudo-virgin? This is the new Mother
>Of Christ we’re talking about
>here. Show some respect. :-))
Ha ha ha, Fatass! My only advice for you is to bring along a vacuum cleaner to
clear away some of the cobwebs in there. LOL
Scoob, when a religious girl starts giving you the stories about "feeling
guilty, not ready, waiting for marriage, it is a sin, blah, blah", agree with
her and assure her that you just love the feeling of her skin. All you want to
do is touch and smell her skin. That’s all. Nothing more.
Assure her that you respect her religious beliefs. She will warily allow you to
touch her neck, shoulders, etc. Caress her there, kiss her there, and talk
about how exquisite she is. Then slowly start to brush the tops of her breast
with your hands - pretend to be interested in her necklace or something. She
will allow it becaue you are only checking out her necklace (and she secretly
loves how it feels).
All the time talk about how natural and beautiful this all is. The idea is to
slowly make progress. If she knows that you are not about to just whip your
dick out and start waving it in her face, she will slowly let you go further
and further with her.
Religious (and virgin) girls are very, very horny and very, very curious. They
want to play but not go all the way (yet). Get your hand on her breast, assure
her that it is right to feel good, assure her that you won’t go any further
than her breast, you just want to feel her luscious body a little. Compliment
her body, dammit! Let her know how wonderful it is to touch her. And don’t
worry. She is the one who will tacitly request you to touch more than her
breasts.
These girls can be conquered - but only an inch at a time.
I’ve done this many times. I remember one time in Cancun. I was lying in bed
with a 23 year old Catholic virgin from NYC - a super hot model chick. Her
girlfriend was sleeping in the bed next to us so we had to be especially quiet.
The pretext was that we were just going to lie down and talk together.
She was very reserved and nervous. Six hours later, while her friend was
asleep, I had progressed to feeling her tits, fingering her, kissing her all
over, etc. Didn’t stick the peg into the hole. But for some reason, it didn’t
matter at the time. Exploring this girl was the fun part. I could have fucked
any other girl that night, but this was far more fun and entertaining.
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I loved it and what’s funny is that for 2 years after I got back to Canada and
she went back to New York, she would send me cards and pictures and letters.
She was fucking in love with me.
Good memories...
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:50:00 GMT
subject: camping * close, sorta
On 6/17/02 2:59:00 PM, convinceme wrote:

>She has to go to her tent and
>wants me to come with. I say
>sure.
>
>???? too much supplication
>here ? I don’t know. When you
>work to set this up and she
>invites you off to the dark
>and her tent does it really
>fucking matter at this point
>?!
Of course this is not supplication! I think sometimes people get way too
concerned about this. I mean if a girl said to you "I would really love to kiss
you all over" are you going to think "Fuck that! I’m not going to supplicate to
this bitch and give her what she wants"?
Supplication is simply doing something for a girl in the hopes that it will
make her more responsive to your sexual advances. In fact, I think supplication
is more about the attitude than the act. One guy can buy dinner for a girl and
it is supplication. However, a true PUA can do whatever he wants to - including
buying her dinner - and it means nothing. he is still in control. This is
because he KNOWS he will win. And because he knows this, she inherently can
sense it as well.
I compliment and buy dinners and stuff for girls all the time. The difference
is that I do it from a position of power. I don’t give a shit what she thinks
about it. I am going to seduce her no matter what. She knows it and I know it.
>
>I probably rushed it too much,
>but up until then I had been
>establishing the Mr. Exciting
>goes for what he wants without
>apology attitude and to shift
>gears I flet would have been a
>mistake. No sappy romance with
>this one, flatter her ego,
>make her feed like the
>seductress she *thinks* she
>is.
>
>So needless to say I was a bit
>confounded on the reaction of
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>HBred when she flirts all day

>and then invites a guy back to
>her tent and eagerly invites
>him in and
>THEN acts suprised when she
>gets kissed! ha.
Who knows. Women are women and surprise is their middle name.
>Sorry for the long post. I’m

>incapable of not using detail.
No, don’t be sorry. Detail is lacking from this forum sometimes. Long posts are
a drag for some. But others revel in the specifics. Helps their game.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:06:00 GMT
subject: Newbie on one-itis(!!!) and ASF
Wow, Elalamo. That’s a pretty inspiring story. Good to hear it...
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:19:00 GMT
subject: Zap makes good use of delay!
Attaboy, Zap.
The ideal situation is to be able to call up a girl whenever you feel the need
for some company. Keeping 3 or 4 girls going at the same time accomplishes this
nicely.
Heh, I had a different girl on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.
Only the one on Saturday was a new one. The rest were repeats who I just called
and asked what they were doing.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:34:00 GMT
subject: Re: AOS X: The Power of Words (6/17/02 update)
On 6/18/02 1:01:18 AM, Maddash wrote:

>The problem is that where I’m
>at (Chicago) I don’t run into
>too many hotties
>that pass the first three
>tests. When I was in LA, I
>saw two in one night.
>
>All this means is that
>normally, I just sarge.
Wow, Maddash, that just turned a switch on in my head. I do this exact same
thing, but until now, it was never fully elucidated.
I PU girls all the time. It is relatively easy for me. I am naturally a smooth
talker and I usually have some girl at any given moment. But that’s all it is -
some company.
Like you in Chicago, I don’t run into many girls that absolutely captivate me,
either. But when I do run into one, my whole game changes from a quick
seduction to a calculated well planned design. Kind of like the difference
between speed chess in the park and a Grandmaster tournament.
Never thought about this before but it seems to be true.
Zan
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date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:09:00 GMT
subject: AOS IX: Keep them in Suspense (new)
(Note: those of you with righteous indignation about infidelity, please turn
your head while I chat with Maddash for a second)
Maddash, if this girl goes back to her husband, is there any way you can keep
an affair with her going? Not sure if you want to - it can be dangerous - but I
certainly think it is feasible.
I have been secretly seeing a married woman now for over three years. About
once every other week or so, we will get together somewhere. In fact, I have
been seeing her for so long that I don’t even count her as a FB. I just replied
to a post earlier where I said I usually have 3 or 4 girls going at any one
time. I didn’t even count this married one. It’s kind of like I forget about
her until she calls me again.
But my point is this: obviously, you would rather have HB11 for your own. This
may not be possible. She may still go back to her husband. However, it is also
clear that she really, really resonated with you. She will be thinking about
you a lot. Hence, the early morning messages from her.
Trust me, in her mind she is thinking that she needs to "do the right thing"
and stay faithful to her husband. She is feeling guilty and wants to make it
right. But she is thinking about you and (this is important) she WILL NOT BE
ABLE TO STOP SEEING YOU. This will be true, that is, if you stay in the picture
somehow.
She obviously needed something different that she wasn’t getting from her
husband. You provided it and that is very powerful. That hasn’t changed. She
wants to do the morally right thing by going back to her husband. It’s like a
New Year’s resolution - she wants to go to the gym regularly but her heart just
isn’t in it.
I think the only way to lose this girl is to give up on her because she has
gone back to him. Instead, move on, hang with Style, pick up women, have a good
time, and stay on her horizon.
You have the AoS skills. This is obviously what this girl needs in her life.
Here’s what you say (don’t worry about all the AFC sentiments; it is absolutely
necessary here):
You: HB11, you have completely mesmerized me these last few weeks. You are like
a butterfly that landed on my hand one day... and I hardly dared to breathe...
afraid that this exquisite butterfly would fly away. But I know that life
happens... circumstances happen... I know it is now time for you to go... I can
only promise you one thing - you will never forget me... as you move through
life, you will remember me... and it will make you smile. You know what I will
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miss the most about you? I will miss your touch.
I just made this up, but you get the idea. Change it to fit you and her. Then
if she seems responsive to this, suggest to her that you two keep seeing each
other in a clandestine manner. She will naturally balk at this, but over the
next few days, she will definitely toy with the idea.
Get her to think that it is natural and that no one will ever find out. After
several months, all of her guilt will go away and she will enjoy her times with
you immensely.
BTW, sorry to corrupt you ;-)
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:54:00 GMT
subject: What’s an HB10?
Somewhere in the manual I think it says that an HB10 is something like 1 or 2%

of all women.
If this is true, then one out of every 100 women in a random area (say a
nightclub) would be a 10. I think that a 10 is far more rare than that - more
like one in a thousand (or perhaps ten thousand). I think that most guys would
agree that in a group of 100 women, there is likely to be one or two 9s. These
are ones that a random sampling of most guys would classify as a 9 in the looks
department. But a 10 is a rarity indeed.
And of course being a 10 is implying perfection. We all know that this is never
going to be true, but rating a girl as a 10 is merely semantics. It is
tantamount to saying that she is far hotter than almost every other girl we’ve
ever seen in our entire lives. In other words, a 10 to me. Simple enough.
However, this whole business of rating girls is very subjective. So everything

I just said is rather meaningless.
Oh, and also a large city (eg. Los Angeles) is like a huge vacuum cleaner that
sucks up all the babes from the rural areas of the country. So the percentage
of quality tail is much higher there than elsewhere (like where I live).
>:^/
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 05:30:00 GMT
subject: Roomate Situation
Traveler, you are right.
Sebastian, the next time she tries to fool around with you, get up and tell her
to get off you. You are no longer interested in this partway bullshit. Go cold
on her.
Don’t flinch. It is very important that you do this. If you do, and only if you
do, she will try harder and harder to regain your attention. Otherwise, you
will be stuck in wet dream land.
If it feels like you have gone too far and have been too cold and/or too much
like an asshole to her, then that is just the right amount. Contrary to what
you might think at the time, it will have a very positive effect on a girl like
this.
Zan
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Re: OT: Re: HB9 about to get married. How to stop that? / 237
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:45:00 GMT
subject: Re: OT: Re: HB9 about to get married. How to stop that?
On 6/20/02 1:49:15 AM, cloudninevirtual wrote:

>Very poetic Zan but I’m a guy so you’d
>have to lay it on thicker :).
>Your AoS references are great, but not
>everyone wants to make it in the
>next revision of AoS; my goal (which we
>most likely not share) is to
>raise kids at some point all the while
>not leading an AFC life. Are
>these mutually exclusive goals? Is
>getting married an AFC thing to do in
>your view?
Good question. For what it’s worth, I think there are some who are cut out to
stay faithful to one woman. That is not AFC. Think about what AFC stands for -
Average Frustrated Chump. In other words, a guy who is unfulfilled and cannot
get women - hence the frustration. He wants to be happy but doesn’t know how.
If you marry and have kids and are happy, it doesn’t make you an AFC. We all
have choices to make in this life and that one is perfectly valid. But morals
are not the issue here. If you choose to marry and have kids and I choose to
have multiple relationships, are your morals higher than mine?
I would venture no. Certainly, you are doing the correct, society-approved
thing, whereas I am not. But in my mind, there is no black and white - only
shades of gray.
>It is obvious that you see marriage as a

>prison and you are the one who
>can set the inmates free hehe. Your
>notion of happiness (for her/you/AFC
>husband) is cursory and you don’t give
>shit about consequences.
60 to 70% of women have cheated on their husband. Why? Because they want a
little excitement and passion in their lives. Are they an aberration? Hardly.
In fact, one could make an argument that the ones who don’t cheat are the weird
ones. They are only suppressing what is perfectly normal and in their very
nature.
>
>Let me reframe: can one continuously
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>seduce his mate over a lifetime

>(’coz "true love" doesn’t work, we know
>that don’t we), thus making the
>seduction "true love"? I don’t think
>"mate" carries any meaning for you
>so I’m probably asking the wrong
>question.
Nope, another good question. Yes, I believe one can continuously seduce his
mate. And believe me, if one does not, she WILL seek the arms of another (me,
for instance). In fact, that is your only hope. Keep seducing her for the rest
of your years. If your woman is any kind of a dreamer, you are going to have to
be full of surprises and romance. Otherwise, she will be in some one else’s bed
eventually. There is another alternative, however. Marry someone with no
imagination or dreams or ambition. They will be happy to park there
ever-widening ass on the couch for the rest of their days and watch soap
operas. But I hardly think that is what you want.
>
>If her mind/body is constantly
>entertained by her non-AFC mate (by way
>of AoS or whatever floats his boat) is
>she still a target for a PUA like
>you? (this was really the meat of my
>original post).
Hmmm, I don’t really have an answer for that. I will say, however, that I know
it is possible for a skilled PUA to waltz into the life of a happily married
girl and STILL manage to get that girl to lie awake at night thinking of him.
This is a woman who has never entertained the thought of being unfaithful. A
PUA comes along and now her head is full of dizzying illicit delights. Whose
fault is that? Did the PUA plant those thoughts there? Or did he merely bring
to the surface feelings that were already present and lying dormant? I dunno
the answer.
My particular situation is that I love women. I can’t be happy drinking only

one kind of wine. There are too many delightful flavors and as soon as I taste
one, I want to try another. It is my curse and my blessing.
Tell you what, I promise I will stay far away from your future wife. Wait a
minute. You’re in Vancouver, aren’t you? Ooh boy, might be tough...
>:^)
Zan
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date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:46:00 GMT
subject: OT: Re: HB9 about to get married. How to stop that?
On 6/19/02 9:11:20 PM, cloudninevirtual wrote:

>I gather cheating is a
>meaningless word for you guys.
>Not moralizing the
>least bit, just wondering what
>if anything marriage means for
>PUAs.
>Is there anyone else on this
>NG who doesn’t want an
>AFC/pussy whipped
>life but still wants
>(eventually) kids (with an
>equally faithful wife).
>I’m mildly claustrophobic, I
>don’t like to be alone in my
>wants :)...
In my opinion, it is morally wrong not to give married women or girls with

boyfriends what they so much need and desire. Every woman should have the
opportunity to spend at least one night of her life with a passionate and
exciting lover; a PUA artist with the skills to whisk her away, however
briefly, into an enchanted world. The world she has dreamed about since she was
a small girl.
It opens her eyes and lets her live a little. And believe me, you are doing her
and her guy a favor. If he can’t please her and treat her with passion, then
quite frankly, he doesn’t deserve her.
Women are beautiful creatures. When I see one that is mired in the drudgery of
her married existence, despairing of ever finding excitement and passion, it is
very sad. Kind of like the animals in a small cage at the zoo. It simply isn’t
right.
If I settle down someday and another man manages to seduce or steal my woman,
well hats off to him. She was never my "possession". She has free will. And if
she makes a choice to be with a different guy because she thinks it will make
her happier than being with me, then how can I possibly object? She has a right
to be happy. And the only reason she would find solace with another man is
because I did not give her what she deserves.
Do you think the great lovers of the world concerned themselves with this?
Casanova? Don Giovanni? Cellini? Richelieu? Hardly. That’s why they were the
great lovers...
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Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:52:00 GMT
subject: Re: chick says to call next week
On 6/21/02 1:40:21 AM, Alessandro wrote:

>P.S. E-mail me your real name
>(I was going to call you, but
>don’t know
>who to ask for, and
>"Manifestis" isn’t something I
>wanna pronounce out
>loud ;-)
LOL, Manifestis, you must be doing something right. Somehow you managed to
#close Alessandro. When he calls, remember to use good tonality in your voice
and end the call while you still have good rapport.
Just kidding... >:-O
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 20:03:00 GMT
subject: any good recorders?
What are you doing, Manifestis? Putting it under your shirt or something?
Just curious...
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 01:03:00 GMT
subject: any good recorders?
On 6/21/02 3:07:00 PM, Manifestis3 wrote:

>it’s really small...it’s like
>4 inches and very thin...but
>the problem is the quality
>sucks...
>
>i put it in my pant
>pocket...they have no idea =)
LOL, are we still talking about your tape recorder here?
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:03:00 GMT
subject: PUAs who don’t need to approach
Interesting post, guys.
FWIW, this happens to me. Girls approach me a lot. And if I am talking to a

girl in a store or a waitress or something, I can #close her so damn fast that
I hardly bother anymore.
I just can simply intuit whether or not I will be successful with a particular
girl. I can see it in their eyes and their body language.
Don’t get me wrong. I still have a hard time getting the girls I *really* want.
Usually the girls I get together with are just "for now". And that sucks.
I get crushes and AFC oneitis bullshit all the time. However, most girls are
relatively easy for me to seduce. I dunno why. I guess it’s because I have
always surrounded myself with beauties. I just can’t get enough of them. So if
I just turn on the charm and start smooth talking, I usually get good results.
I tend towards being cocky and funny. And I think sometimes it can be too much.
I have been told that I can be intimidating to girls. Even if I am just joking.
And I am thinking, wtf? I am the most down to earth guy and I just love to
laugh and have fun. However, they can sense when you are used to winning with
girls. And it can tend to CB you sometimes. I don’t know how many times I have
been told by women (after they get to know me) that I am not like they thought
I was. They thought I was unapproachable or already taken - so they wouldn’t
approach me. That sucks.
I think maybe it is because I am fearless when it comes to women. And they can
smell that.
An example of a girl approaching:
Yesterday, I went for coffee with my ex-wife in the shopping mall. She is an
absolute stunner and great social proof. We get together all the time and laugh
and have a good time.
Anyway, I was walking in the mall with her when a gorgeous girl in red lipstick
walked by (love red lipstick). She smiled at my ex. We kept walking and then
later after we parted company, I was walking back through the mall to go to my
car.
All of a sudden, this lipstick girl came up behind me and started to walk
beside me. She smiled and asked me my name. So I stopped and turned towards her
and then went to work. Within one minute, I knew this girl could be mine if I
wanted.
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However, as fate would have it, she was visiting from Spain (my weakness =
Spanish girls). She had been here for 3 months and was leaving back to Spain
first thing in the morning. Argghhhh! I couldn’t get with her at all. She was
meeting her friends at the mall who were taking her to a going away party for
her, then she had to pack and catch a 6AM flight.
Me: Ditch your friends and come with me anyway.

Her: I’m so sorry. I really can’t. I won’t be able to get away to see you at
all. My whole evening is arranged and I really have to pack.
Me: Alright, damn. If I had met you earlier, I definitely would have gotten
together with you. It’s too bad. Tell me, if I had asked you out a month or two
ago, would you have said yes?
Her: Absolutely. Yes, I would.
Bad, bad timing. This girl had the sweetest smile (and ass)
Um, just rambling here. Forgot what my point was...
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:30:00 GMT
subject: Re: Putting them In line
On 6/25/02 5:30:11 AM, Neo-Rio wrote:

>Women are never pissed off
>with men unless they want sex.
>This is not a
>concious thing as opposed to a
>subconscious thing (Just
>remember that when a
>bitch is nasty to you).
Wow, Neo, that is profound. Never thought about that before but as I look back,
it seems to be absolutely true.
Can’t count how many times some girl has been pissed at me, calling me a player
or whatever, and then fucks me anyway.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:43:00 GMT
subject: how far is too far?
Yup, I would. But then again, I wouldn’t be lying. If you’ve read any of my
posts, you will know that I tend to come across as passionate and in love to
girls. It’s because I do actually.
When I am with a girl, everything else fades away. I treat he like she is the
only woman in the world. She knows it and it is unusual to her. And of course,
it usually tends to make her drop trou right on the spot.
However (and this is a big however), I let her know from the start that even
though I am passionate about her tonight, I WILL be moving on. Maybe not
tomorrow, but soon.
I am a lover of women. Not woman. So I pour on the passion and give them what
they want and need. Then I ride off into the sunset LOL.
Never once did I lie to them - and they know it and will come around again
because of it.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:51:00 GMT
subject: how many dates does it take for sex?
If a girl sleeps with me the first night I meet her, it isn’t because she is a
slut (well maybe sometimes). I tend to think that she just couldn’t resist - in
spite of her social upbringing, her worry about her reputation, her friends’
opinions, etc.
I *always* respect her in the morning. After all, she didn’t really have much
choice, now did she?
And as for this "five dates before sex" bullshit, forget it. Five dates from
now, her and I had better be up to Chapter 14 in "Advanced Sexual Positions,
Part 2"
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:53:00 GMT
subject: What do you think is the best way??
Hey Snavy, go explore FormHandle’s website. Read everything you see - twice.
You will find answers.
See you in three weeks.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:21:00 GMT
subject: Supermarket Approaches?
Heh, just buy three items - strawberries, whipped cream, and chocolate syrup.
And lots and lots of them.
Whatever you do, make sure you don’t start putting stuff on the counter like
Depends or Exlax.
>:-O
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:49:00 GMT
subject: Fu*ked Up Possible Lay
On 6/25/02 12:04:00 PM, Willie D wrote:

>Things I learned: When an
>opportunity presents itself,
>take it. I wanted to take her
>to a secluded area upstairs,
>but chickened out.
>Don’t hang with AFC wings,
>they bring you down.
Ah, don’t beat yourself up too badly. Just your action of writing it down as a
FR will ingrain it in your mind. Your subconscious will remember it when you
are in a similar situation.
We’ve all been there and done AFC stuff. And one thing I tend to notice is that
every time I have a mediocre day (don’t feel in the zone, can’t seem to close),
the very next day, it is 100% better. I usually have a fantastic day with great
results right after a dud day.
So chin up and get back in the saddle.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:45:00 GMT
subject: quote that sums up remote seduction.
Ha ha, good quote, Gunwitch!
Definitely off topic but:
Homer: (working at the oilfield) This is the perfect job. I’ll leave the world
the same way I came into it - dirty, screaming and torn away from the woman I
love.
Homer: (after rich guy offers a million dollars to sleep with Marge) A MILLION
DOLLARS!!! ... wait a minute ... how much sex will be involved ?
Homer: Guys, it was horrible. I saw Marge kiss a far superior man. You think
she’ll fall for that guy even after I bought her that hockey tape?
Homer: (giving advice to Bart about girls) Don’t give them any nicknames like
Jumbo or Boxcar ... and always get a receipt ... makes you look like a business
guy.
Homer: Step aside everyone! Sensitive love letters are my specialty. ’Dear
Baby, Welcome to Dumpsville. Population: you.’
Homer: Lisa, if the Bible has taught us nothing else - and it hasn’t - it’s
that girls should stick to girls’ sports, such as hot oil wrestling and foxy
boxing and such and such.
Sorry, FormHandle, I couldn’t resist...
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:39:00 GMT
subject: Promise me
My mind works like this. Girl says I want to sleep in your bed but you have to
promise me you won’t try anything. Man, at that point all I hear is "I want to
sleep in your bed".
You have two paths to take here. One, you don’t shake her hand and she doesn’t
sleep in your bed. Two, you shake her hand, promise her, and she sleeps in your
bed.
Option one gets you no action. And in option two, she might be very serious
about the promise and you will get nothing either. But, option two definitely
gets a girl into your bed, whereas option one does not. IME, you have a damn
good chance that SHE will break the promise for you once she is in your bed.
Just take her to bed and be totally uninterested in her physically. But talk
smooth and who knows, she might initiate something.
In other words, the odds are far better for you to get some action from her if
she is in your bed than if she is not. Hell, even if you get no action at all,
having a girl in bed with you is still lots of fun - way better than being
alone. Ha, let her fall asleep and then *accidentally* pull the covers off her.
So yeah, damn straight I would have promised her and shook her hand. I think
she wanted you anyway, from your story. I mean, you were getting kino from her,
she was talking about how great it would be if her friend fucked your cousin
(translation: if SHE could fuck YOU).
I would have been all over her like a cheap suit.
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author: "Zan"
date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 05:43:00 GMT
subject: LSE - just other shittesting
Poet, this was very interesting to me. Thanks for further adding to our insight
of these things we call women.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:36:00 GMT
subject: Holy shit: HB9 EC & Smile #close
On 6/25/02 11:36:24 PM, sashko wrote:

>Without further
>hesitation, I grab a piece of
>paper and a pen, leave the
>fucking old lady to
>stand there and wait a little
>more, and watch HB9 walk
>towards the door. I
>quickly write "#" on the
>paper. As she’s walking
>towards the door, I turn
>and look at her, she smiles
>and I motion with my fingers
>to "come here", and
>put down the piece of paper
>and the pen on the desk, and
>walk over to the
>old lady to get her ass out
>while HB9 writes down her name
>and her phone #
>on the piece of paper!
Nice move, Alex. I always wave girls over to me.
Good going...
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author: "Zan"
date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:04:00 GMT
subject: Will someone help me remove my foot from my mouth?
On 6/26/02 3:45:00 AM, jet2314 wrote:

>Disclaimer: Sort of long
Dude, that was about 80 questions in one long stream of consciousness sentence.
And this isn’t really a field report, BTW.
>ANyway, later on, I decide to

>take charge, I go lay in front
>of the tv by her, I strike up
>convo and make good EC. I lead
>on with kino and some very
>small negs/teasing. As I start
>to transition into EV, AFC
>says he is leaving (he was
>suppose to take her home-she
>had been drinking a little).
>She’s like "ok, bye!". Score
>one for me! So, it’s HBshorty
>and me in the living room
>floor while my bud and his gf
>go to his room. I’m still a
>RAFC, so I did the kiss rate
>test thing. It felt like a
>good transistion at the time.
>Anyway, we start getting busy.
>I didn’t push for any type of
>sex which I’m in the process
>of killing off my afc
>tendencies so bear with me.
No sympathy from me. You definitely should have pushed for sex. There were a
variety of things you could have done to push forward and let her know your
SOI.
For instance, if Gunwitch had been in your shoes, he would have been all over
her with very clear intentions that he stayed around to fuck. She would have a
hard time resisting and he would probably get laid. If I was in your shoes, I
would have talked her out of her panties to the point that she was jumping on
me. And I would have probably got laid.
Point is, you should have tried something.
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>But I was wondering if

>the guys on here with MLTRs
>get jealous, allow their girls
>to date other guys, etc?
DOn’t really get jealous. But I don’t like it when they are seeing someone
else. I am a selfish bastard with double standards, I know. But that’s just me.
>has anyone found that not

>going after sex from the
>get-go will lead to later
>frustration in getting it?
Yes.
>while I am writing a post,

>does anyone ever use a pattern
>that reminds me of an "our
>world" pattern, but I was
>thinking about developing
>something for laying HBboobjob
>(a chick that is in from LA
>for the summer, who I had a
>fling with last summer, who
>has also gotten a boob job
>since we last spoke). She’s in
>our little town for the summer
>and I am to before I go to
>Chicago, so I was thinking of
>something along the lines of
>us both being in our own
>special place away from our
>lives, our own small vacation
>in which we are free to act
>however we feel because it
>exists only here in this
>town...fuck I don’t
>know....help please? LOL
>~T-daddy
Uh, yeah... I think.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:12:00 GMT
subject: Another Phone Pickup
Is the legality really a consideration in a case like this? What I mean is,
would any law enforcing or judicial authority care enough to pursue it?
Perhaps if Cooter became a major stalker, they could pile it up on top of the
evidence. But hardly worth consideration here, I think. I might be wrong.
Kind of like it’s totally illegal to make a CD out of pirated songs. Yet
everyone, including the cops, does it. Is anyone *really* afraid that they are
going to be busted because they are listening to Eminem on a burned CD? Hardly.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:32:00 GMT
subject: Anais Nin quotation
On 6/26/02 6:37:00 PM, AllWeatherGal wrote:

>Careful. That’s a chick you’re quoting,
>sport!
Yeah, but she got nekkid in the movie "Henry & June". Well, not her exactly,
but an actress *playing* her, and... ah, forget it...
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 05:36:00 GMT
subject: @ Close with top of the sphere girl
On 6/27/02 10:13:00 AM, formhandle wrote:

>Guys, I want you to remember
>the following words for when
>you get a chick into this
>mode, and are about ready to
>"close" (in the @ or # sense):
>
>"What are you up to right
>now?"
>or
>"What are you up to after
>this?"
>or
>"What are you doing later?"
>
>If you’re IN (which you will
>be pulling off an interaction
>like sopher described), she
>will make sure to imply to you
>that she doesn’t have any
>specific plane, or that if she
>does they’re flexible.
>
>Then, offer her the
>opportunity to hang out with
>you RIGHT THEN AND THERE.
>Change venue with her. Go get
>a coffee. OR juice. Or just
>take a walk to the park,
>whatever.
>
>If you can continue leading in
>this way, you will separate
>yourself from ALL the other
>guys and she WILL remember you
>and want to see you again.
>You may even be able to lead
>to a same day f close.
>
>Why contact close when you can
>lead to what you want the same
>day? If the chick interests
>you, she probably interests a
>heck of a lot of other guys,
>and a heck of a lot of other
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>guys have her contact info.

>But how many of those guys
>have had the PU skills to lead
>her the same day?
>
>Also, when you go for that
>kind of lead, don’t ASK what
>she wants to do. Rather,
>offer the opportunity and find
>a means to put her mind into a
>mode which makes her feel like
>she wants to go with you.
>It’s a mixture of command and
>suggestion. Takes some time
>to learn, but it will save you
>a ton of problems with flakes
>and also get you to what you
>want faster.
>
>Use a contact close as a
>logistical backup, not as the
>primary means to hook up with
>her ... later.
Excellent advice, Formhandle. When’s your book coming out?
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:27:00 GMT
subject: chicks and peach schnapps! and... yet another supplication question. *sigh*
On 6/27/02 2:09:01 AM, bj22hm wrote:

>these supplication rules...
>*sigh* I’d like to
>break them, but like, there
>isn’t a complete line defining
>THIS IS
>SUPPLICATING / THIS IS NOT
>SUPPLICATING y’know?
Yeah, there is a line between supplicating and not supplicating. It is very

clear (at least to me).
You are supplicating if you do a favor for a girl that you hope will raise her
estimation of you. Usually this backfires.
You are not supplicating if you don’t give a damn what she thinks about what
you just did.
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:31:00 GMT
subject: what are great fun places to take chicks?
On 6/26/02 9:35:00 PM, littlbigd wrote:

>b. I cant cook for shit; but
>there is a cool italian take
>out
>place right by my house that
>makes an awesome
>Lasagna. Buy it, pop it onto
>another dish and put it in
>the oven... when she comes
>over... Poof! The Lasagna
>is ’just about ready’.
Ha ha, you shyster you!
>Remember; you’re not going to

>be able to F* her at a
>waterpark or playing miniature
>golf. Besides; she can
>do that with any of her AFC
>friends or girlfriends. Set
>yourself up with the maximum
>chance for success.
Exactly how I feel. The other stuff is too much like a date (amusement park,
rollerblading, frolicking in the fields). I like doing all that - but only with
someone I’m already shtooping.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:42:00 GMT
subject: Re: what are great fun places to take chicks?
On 6/27/02 12:37:34 AM, Alessandro wrote:

>P.S. Zan, ever tried
>tit-healing? when you are
>depressed as fuck, try
>to pick up a cutie (anything
>over 7 will do, "nice girls"
>are best for
>this.) take her to a warm
>place (car with windows rolled
>up?) then rub
>her bare chest on yours for
>about 15 minutes. Totally
>refreshing man.
LOL, that’s great, Alessandro. I will try that next time for sure.
>It is even much cuter if you

>have curly chest hair that
>feels like
>small cotton balls.
What about if she is the one with the curly chest hair?
>:-O
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:20:00 GMT
subject: Promise me
On 6/27/02 2:03:00 PM, poet wrote:

>I hope I will be asked to do
>that fucking promise as
>frequently as possible.
>Because promises are SACRED
>FOR ME. :-)
Right on, Poet. If a girl made me make that promise, I’d be thinking, WooHoo! I
am definitely getting some trim tonight!
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author: "Zan"
date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:11:00 GMT
subject: IMPLIED SOCIAL PROOF THEORY
On 6/27/02 7:41:00 PM, gunwitch wrote:

>Women dont want a challenge. They want a
>fuck.
Shit, Gunwitch. When all you have is a hammer, everything begins to look like
nails.
I’m amazed that every girl you encounter is won over by your aggressive
technique. I know lots of girls who would be attracted to it. But I also know
lots who would not. Perhaps the girls around here are somewhat different than
the ones in your purview.
Don’t get me wrong. I like your posts a lot. They are like a fresh breeze
around here. Sometimes we do get too caught up in the jargon and esoteric
techniques of ASF - instead of just forging ahead aggressively.
But let me be the first to say that I don’t believe your bulldozer technique
would have a very high success rate on the girls *I* am trying to seduce. I can
get an insta-fuck anywhere, anytime. But only if I want to settle for a certain
subset of girls. Your method will work perfectly for that. And there is nothing
wrong with going for a quick lay. In fact, when I am horny, I grab whatever
girl is nearby and my methods are pretty much as aggressive and direct as
yours. But I am after a different type of woman, I guess.
Kind of like shooting gophers in the field - any kid can grab his dad’s .22 and
go out and start shooting. Eventually, he might even get pretty good at nailing
the gophers every time.
But I would rather shoot deer in the mountains. For this I need tools and prep
time and a bit of a trek and special techniques (learn how to be scentless and
invisible, etc.)
That is how I see ASF and the guys on this forum are helping to prep me for my
hunting trip. They are saying, Hey, here is a new deer call that I tried last
night and it worked pretty well.
Egregious analogy, I know. But I think you get the idea.
Zan
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date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:11:00 GMT
subject: help me have some fun
On 6/28/02 2:11:00 AM, walber wrote:

>I was looking for input on
>something good to tell this
>girl to get her of her cloud
You: Listen, HB, unless you want to fuck, piss off and quit hanging around me.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:20:00 GMT
subject: Question About First Get-Together
On 6/28/02 12:17:00 AM, Zynner wrote:

>The logistics of (I am
>assuming) her need to have a
>babysitter is throwing me off
>a bit.
>
>What would you do?
I’ll tell you exactly what I’ve done many times in exactly the same kind of
situation.
Tell her to call me when the kid is in bed and I will come over and visit her
and "get to know her better".
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:15:00 GMT
subject: Re: OT: two people falling in love
On 6/28/02 1:27:54 PM, Tunnces wrote:

>You should be given the title
>of ’Patron Saint of AFCs’, The
>Traveller.
>First, the Queen Bee Theory
>(which is just AFCness, BTW, I
>still don’t
>understand how your theory
>puts any choice and power in
>the hands of the
>man because, in your ideas, he
>is a drone).
Hey, Tunnces, I kind of liked Traveller’s notion of a Queen Bee and her
attendant drones. I interpreted it thus:
Some girls (Queen Bees) have figured out that by dropping small crumbs of
affection and approval, lots of guys (AFC drones) will hang around her doing
things for her highness.
She never plans to give up the booty; instead she may kiss the drone, give him
lots of hugs, say she loves him, watch movies with him, go to dinner with him,
"no one understands me but you", "thanks so much for the flowers - you are so
sweet", etc.
But this poor guy never gets in her pants. She does this on purpose or perhaps
only semi-aware of what she is doing and why she does it.
The drone hangs around attending to her every need, because in his mind he is
really close to being her boyfriend. A little more supplication (he thinks) and
she will finally be persuaded that they are really going out. And then he will
finally get all that hot monkey love he has been visualizing in his mind. And
as Traveller said, this can go on for a very long time before the dumb shit
gets wise.
And for this girl, the drones will come and go, each attending to her every
need and whim. She is in control.
I know because I was a drone to a Queen Bee just like this for about 6 months -
a long, long time ago. Still makes me wince.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 04:59:00 GMT
subject: Re: OT: two people falling in love

>Please try to describe it, anyone who
>can. I am not sure i know what it is.
>
>ANY woman ive ever had deep feelings for
>i have been able to say to myself: If i
>had to choose her life or my long time
>friends and familly ending, i would
>choose hers.
>
>Hypothetical i know, yet its always put
>in perspective for me when i think THIS:
>Though i think about her more, and have
>more passion for her, my friends and
>familly are more important than her. I
>am SURE i love them and car about them,
>MAYBE i DONT love or care about her, but
>somehow feel i need her?
>
>I have thought i was in love a few
>times, but after the fact and even
>during i feel a sense of LSE type "need"
>for something she does for me or make me
>feel. Sometimes a sense of her needing
>me, as if shes weak or cannot do without
>me. Obviously she was fine without me
>BEFORE she met me and is maybe ok now
>without me, likewise i am fine without
>them now and was also fine before them.
>A couple times i was acctually BETTER
>without them. I have heard that "love is
>when 2 people make each others lives
>better than they were apart" Isnt THAT
>also co-dependence?
>
>Does love even exist, if something is
>that hard to explain does it make it
>magical OR some pretentious word for
>another state altogether, when someone
>cannot admit their co-dependence or
>obsession? If what your dad feels for
>your mom is the exact same thing stalker
>john feels for britney spears is it
>love?
>
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> Comments anyone please?
Ha, believe it or not, Gunwitch, I agree with you here. Yeah me - Zan - the one
whose method is to approach women in terms of love and passion and romance.
I fall in love all the time. I fucking love women. A beautiful woman enters my
landscape and I am absolutely smitten. And when it happens, I think about her
all the time, get oneitis and all that shit, plan and scheme how to seduce her,
etc. Meanwhile of course, I am still actively sarging new prospects, and
managing my stable of FBs and getting laid every night with a different one.
But I am thinking about "her" and I set out to make her mine.
But my point is I agree with you, Gunwitch, that lots of different things
masquerade as love. Comfort, fear, dependency, ennui, loneliness, etc. I do
believe that it is these things that translate in our heads as "love".
WTF is *true love*? Picture if you will, a newly wed couple who are completely
in love. They will always be together in their minds. Now let’s say that
shortly after their wedding, some set of circumstances picks the groom up and
somehow deposits him in Australia - far away from her. And let’s say there is
no way for him to return (humor me).
What will happen to both of them? They will be devastated and probably for
years, they will be heartbroken and thinking about the other. But eventually,
life takes over, the great healing power of time takes effect, and twenty years
later, they are remarried to someone else and happy and in love - rarely
thinking about each other.
So the question is: was their love a true love? Answer: there is no such thing.
There are only approximations of what we have been bred to believe love is. A
platonic ideal, if you will. Sure they pined for each other for years, but this
is most likely the deep loss they felt and the notion that "now we’ll never
know".
Remember, our hypothetical couple were separated long before he turned into a
beer-gutted, lawn-mowing, minivan driving suburbanite with skid marks in his
underwear. And she was still young and nubile - her breasts still perky, and
her ass not yet hippo size.
The twinges and butterflys we have fade away *always* from a relationship.
After that happens, you either have to *work* at the relationship to keep it
alive (ugh, what a fucked up notion), or you have to just accept things the way
they are, or you have to separate. Was that true love? Nope. No such thing. The
butterflys turn into dependency or need or fear to leave or friendship and
companionship or whatever.
Romantic love goes and you are left with normal people that you have to live
with.
IMO, if you marry, it is because you settle. You inwardly say to yourself, "I
don’t have the energy/desire/strength anymore to do what comes naturally to me.
I choose to be content in my life from now on."
What a shitty word - content.
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Now I’m just rambling, but let me say this. I love women, yessiree. I fall in
romantic love with women and I get butterflys. But at least I recognize it for
what it is - infatuation. And why is it only certain women that have this
effect on me? Maybe it is because the shape of her breasts reminds me
subconsciously of the shape of my mother’s breasts when I was 2 months old. Who
knows? I have no fucking idea why I fall for her.
In other words, if you think that love is pure in and of itself, you are right.
On the other hand, if you think that other emotions are what we conveniently
call love, you are right as well.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 00:54:00 GMT
subject: Well, am i going to jail?
Come on, Gunwitch. Listen to these guys and go get your ass some help.
I can tell from your posts that you are highly intelligent. This ASF stuff is
really all just a game. We just want to get laid and meet hot girls. Your stuff
just got way too fucking serious.
Take a break. Chill out. If you don’t, you will certainly end up dead or in the
big house. And you can be sure that your future cellmate Bubba hasn’t learned
the fine of art of seduction. More like, "Hey Gunwitch, get over here and suck
your husband’s dick."
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author: "Zan"
date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 01:36:00 GMT
subject: Ubelievable Story ...
On 6/30/02 3:03:38 PM, Maddash wrote:

>Don’t tell me this was a
>subconscious accident anybody,
>I mean, I have
>pretty good hip-control, but I
>can’t dial a phone with my
>dong.
>
Maddash, you fucker! Your story made me laugh for 10 minutes! That is so funny.
Mine’s not as funny, but last week I followed this HB to her house one evening.
Her live-in boyfriend worked the afternoon shift so he wasn’t going to be home
until midnight.
Anyway, we went into her house and straight into her bedroom. I banged her for
an hour or so. Just after we started, she asked me to get up and close the
bedroom door because she was afraid her sister (who has a key to the house) was
going to be dropping over. She didn’t want her to walk in on us.
I was too busy with her tits to close the door, so I ignored her. And she was
rather loud, if you know what I mean. So an hour goes by, and I split.
The next day she called me, totally freaked out. Turns out her boyfriend had
called in sick to work that day and he was sleeping on the couch in the living
room about 20 feet away from us the whole time. Neither of us had seen him as
we walked in.
Yikes!
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author: "Zan"
date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 04:55:00 GMT
subject: Compliment Opener???
Yeah Zynner, it is true.
I don’t use canned openers per se. I have tried some of them from the maunal -
Elvis and whatever, but don’t feel like it is natural for me.
I use compliments as an opener a lot. Thing is, women can smell if a compliment
is coming from a guy who is looking for her approval or a guy who is confident
that he can pick her up.
I’ve had lots of success recently with compliments. And my targets are all 9s
and up. In fact, the more experience you get and the more confidence you get,
it doesn’t really matter what you say.
A lot of times I just go up and don’t say anything. Just walk up, stand real
close, and smile at her. Let her say something first.
Examples from this weekend (note - the line about two boyfriends was from
someone on this newgroup recently. Can’t remember who, but thank you - it is
gold):
Girl one:
Me: Don’t worry. I’ll give you a ride home.

Her: Well, my AFC friend is going to give me a ride.
Me: Is he a nice guy?
Her: Oh yeah. He’s good friends with my boyfriend.
Me: Are you in love with your boyfriend?
Her: Of course. He is very special.
Me: Well, you look like the kind of girl who could use two boyfriends.
Her: Two boyfriends? I don’t think so.
Me: Sure. One boyfriend for movies and popcorn and cuddling and stuff. And the
other one to drink champagne from your belly button.
Her: Uh...
Girl two:
Her: (laughing) Excuse me, is your name Zan?

Me: Yes
Her: I’ve heard about you. You know my friend. She says you tried to pick her
up.
Me: (smiling) I can’t remember. Was I successful?
Her: (smiling) No. She saw right through your little games.
Me: Hmmm, is that a fact. Well, I was really trying to use her to get to you.
Her: (laughing) Not a chance! I don’t date guys shorter than me. [Note: I am
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5’9". She is taller] And your moves would never work on me.
Me: (wink) No? I think my moves would work on someone like you extremely well.
Truth is, I haven’t even tried with you - yet.
Her: (laughing) Nope! Wouldn’t work on me. What makes you think you could get
me?
Me: I know what I like and I’m used to winning.
Her: Ok, try it. Say something to try to seduce me.
Me: Did you approach me just now to talk to me?
Her: Uh, yes...
Me: Then I’ve already seduced you...
That one was too easy. She just left my house 3 hours ago.
Zan
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date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 05:34:00 GMT
subject: Compliment Opener???

>I just hope you didn’t take
>advantage of her or anything,
>Zan. She sounds like the type
>who just wanted a shoulder to
>cry on, or a nice male friend
>to tell her problems to. I
>hope that you were there for
>her in those ways and didn’t
>get fresh with her or
>anything.
What, moi? Zap, if you’ve learned anything about me from my posts here it is
that I would never take advantage of a girl’s vulnerability.
Of course not. Instead, I spent the night listening to and empathizing with her
problems. And patting her gently on the back of her hand and saying "There,
there..." in a soothing voice.
>;-)
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 19:57:00 GMT
subject: Experience with older women
Older women have no ASD. If they want to get naked with you, they just do it -
no pissing around.
Oh, and here’s a joke:
Q - What do people over 50 use for birth control?

A - Nudity
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 05:51:00 GMT
subject: Field report HBquiet :Need advice
On 7/2/02 11:33:00 AM, r_bond1 wrote:

>I called her number yesterday
>(it is a mobile) and it just
>kept ringing. I called back 2
>hours later with my number
>barred and the same thing
>happened. So as not to look
>AFC (because it will come up
>as a missed call on her phone)
>I have decided to call her 2
>days later on the wednesday.
That’s what suck about calling girls. You never really know the best strategy.
>
>She doesn‘t know my number so
>I can see no reason why she
>wouldn‘t pick up. Does anyone
>know anything about chicks
>with mobiles who don‘t pick up
>on purpose to make you look
>AFC.
She was into you. Don’t worry about that. I suspect she just wasn’t near her
phone for some reason. But, our minds always play tricks on us in situations
like this and we think up all kinds of scenarios. I say don’t sweat it. Sounds
to me like you will get the lay here.
>The fact that she doesn‘t have

>much to say could prove a
>problem. I don‘t think kino
>will be a problem. I‘m new to
>ASF and need a bit of help
>with fuck closes, as I seem to
>get plenty of social proof and
>approaches from HBs from my
>job. I am confused as HBquiet
>clearly rates as a 8-9 and yet
>has the mentality of a 6.
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Just take charge and lead her all the way. You know what you want. And this
seems like the type of girl that needs direction. She most likely is willing to
follow you.
Zan
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date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 05:58:00 GMT
subject: Re: Ubelievable Story ...
On 6/30/02 9:38:06 PM, Maddash wrote:

>HOLY
>SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>What a fucking pussy!!!!! He
>didn’t fucking do anything????
>HFS!!!!
No guys. He was sleeping the whole time. Didn’t hear a thing, apparently.
I’m sure he would have kicked the shit out of me if he was awake. He is a big
guy. And I am a not so big guy. And I happened to have my ass cheeks in the air
in his bed - banging his girlfriend.
I could have been a Zan grease spot.
Zan
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>It was
>a bit of a "Slam-Bap,
>Thank-you-Zap" type of thing,
Ha ha, Zap. I like that. For me it is "Slam, Bam, thank you Zan".
>Moving right along now, it

>pissed off an FB to find the
>apartment even somewhat
>dishevelled later on in the
>evening, she has a pretty
>sharp eye. I guess the lesson
>there is to leave no trace of
>past debauchery when inviting
>any woman over.
Happens to me all the time. Yesterday, one of my FB found an ankle bracelet

under my couch. She knows she’s not exclusive, but still doesn’t like to see
evidence.
I told her it was mine LOL.
>that made 3 for the day for

>the humble Commander, a
>lifetime first if memory
>serves.
Good for you, Zap. Get used to it because this is prolly going to be the norm
for you from now on. BTW, I had 3 on Saturday and then the same 3 on Sunday.
I’m tired but happy.
Zan
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On 7/2/02 4:49:52 PM, Skyrazer wrote:

>there you go...I’m 19 right
>now, I will be 20
>this summer. Flame me if you
>want to, I’m not yet where I
>want to be anyway
>so its ok
Skyrazer, why would we flame you? I think it’s great that you are studying this
stuff at 19. And yeah, go get older women. They will teach you a lot of things.
I was dangerous to women when I was 19. But if I had known then the stuff you
are learning here, I would have been deadly.
Zan
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date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 05:35:00 GMT
subject: Re: F-close and more...

>You know who they belonged to? Chick B,
>of course, and I figure they
>had gotten stuck under the mattress many
>weeks before Chick A had
>moved out. Chick B hadn’t missed them
>because she only wore underwear
>part-time anyway.
Haha. Same thing happened to me when I was married. My wife happened to look in
the pocket of my bathrobe (which I hadn’t worn in a long time). She found a bra
wadded up in there that wasn’t hers.
I had no fucking idea whose it was. She got all mad, so I just laughed and
pointed and got her even more mad.
Turns out it was her fucking mother’s bra who had visited us for a few days a
couple weeks earlier. She used my bathrobe and left it in there, I guess.
LOL
>
>Another little anecdote: A couple of
>weeks ago I came home to my
>live-in LTR, reeking of a woman’s
>perfume. She picked up on it in
>about half a second. I told her it beat
>the shit out of me how it got
>on me. Walking down the street these
>days is like walking through a
>fucking whorehouse, the way some of
>these bitches douse themselves
>with scent. It’s not MY fault. :-))
>
Here’s what you do to mask the scent of perfume. Go put a couple of bucks worth
of gas into your car at a self server gas station. Accidentally spill several
drops on your hands. You will go home smelling like gasoline, not perfume.
Zan
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>Zan, I’m always a bit tired
>these days, but it is sort of
>a euphoric weariness, eh? Did
>you have three separate
>sessions with three chicks at
>various times in the day, two
>days in a row, or was it in
>part or in whole (no pun
>intended) a group thing?
Zap, I had one married chick come over on Saturday morning around 9AM. She told
her husband she was going shopping. Spent an hour or so with her.
Then at around 7PM, I went to the house of another girl. Finally, at about
10PM, I got home and my phone rang. Girl number 3 brought me Chinese food and
spent the night.
Next morning, girl number 3 had to go to her dad’s place. Left around 8AM. My
phone rang at around 9AM, and it was the married chick again wanting another
quickie. After that, I hooked up with girl number 2 again at about 5 PM, then
went to a movie with her. Dropped her off at around 9:30PM and called up girl
number 3 to come over.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZ
What’s amazing is that if this was all just one girl, there is no way I would
have had the energy to nail her six times in 2 days. But fresh tail gives you a
*lot* of energy.
:-)
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:40:00 GMT
subject: Well? Are you a man, or a pussy?
On 7/3/02 12:13:00 AM, gunwitch wrote:
(snip)
>Hey, i do what i do. Anybody doesnt like

>it, the police included, they can try to
>stop me. If there were no guns or police
>forces (if i had still made it to adult
>hood) i would be a ruler. If there were
>no guns or polie
>forces/military/goverment nobody would
>have given a shit about ghandi.
>Civilization is for the physically weak
>yet mentally strong. The physically
>strong still exist and are force to be
>reckoned with though.
(snip)
>I wish EVERYONE was a pacifist, then id

>really be in charge.
(snip)
>It had to be forced cause men were

>getting weak. If theri had been more
>volunteers who were willing to go over
>there, rape, murder and mutilate those
>people, just for the fun of it, because
>hey are different, there would have ben
>no need for a draft.
(snip)
>Wehave a natural tendencie to want to

>kill other men and take their weallh and
>women. We also have a tendency to want t
>do away with those different from
>ourselves.
>
>Hitler had some good ideas about how to
>make peace. Make everyone the same and
>theyll have no reason to disagree. if
>the nazis had won, there would be no
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>ICBM nukes on earth today. Intstead

>someday millions of people will make
>each other suffer(burning and radiation)
>for being different than each other.
(snip)
>Id say men who are afraid to rape are

>afraid of the law, and nothing else, ask
>yourself truthfully "if i i could take
>any woman any time i wanted by force,
>wit no reprecussion, would i?" Then come
>back and lie about how you wouldnt.
(snip)
>I just dont wanna end up in jail for

>fighting, i WILL NOT be glared at tough
>like by peeeboys.
(snip)
>I also believe in suicide. I wouldnt eat

>through a straw, or go around in a wheel
>chair. Too miserable=kapow in the mouth.
Fuck off, Gunwitch! Quit dribbling this shit out of your ass. You had a lot of
admirers here (including me). You were cool and you told it like it is. Be cool
again, man. Nobody’s impressed with your hard ass stance on everything.
Alessandro was right. We do like you. So quit pissing around. You were right on
the money with a lot of your posts and you really inspired and helped a lot of
guys. I enjoyed taking the opposite view about your "Isolate & Fuck" method and
arguing with you about it. But I still saw merit in it.
You got some heavy shit going on in your life right now, it’s obvious. Take a
break from everything, man. Believe it or not, we are pulling for you.
And for what it’s worth, one of the most profound things I have ever read on
this forum was written by you. Here’s what you said:
"New love is true love"
You wrote that only about 5 days ago or so, but I have thought about it a *lot*
ever since. I have been trying to ascertain what true love is - or even if it
exists - for years. What you said made it clear in my mind. The only love that
is true is new love. That is perfect and succinct.
Ha, thanks man. I have said that phrase to 7 different girls since I got it
from you. Instant DDB. They all said, "Wow, you are right."
You are obviously no dummy. So stop being so insecure (because that is what is
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at the heart of all this vitriol). Get back onside. Start contributing
constructively again.
And BTW, quit dumping on Alessandro. He’s no pacifist. He just loves women and
life.
Peace, Gunwitch...
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Re: Example of an online sarge. / 278
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date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:53:00 GMT
subject: Re: Example of an online sarge.

>Great? What did you get out of that?
>She got your time and your
>attention, free. You got - what? Is
>your goal to have online convos
>with people you can’t see or touch who
>claim to be HBs?
Come on, Fatass. I think he only posted it as an example of pacing and leading
a convo. Newbies need this kind of stuff, so they can understand things a
little better. He wasn’t posting a field report about how "successful" his
sarge was.
Believe me, I fully agree with you that online sarging is useless. Whenever a
girl offers me her email address, I say, "Fuck that. What do you want me to do?
Send you a cute online greeting card? Forget the email address. You can write
your phone number down for me when we get to my place."
But I liked this transcript. We sure as hell need more specific examples around
here.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 18:29:00 GMT
subject: TRUTH about Gunwitch.
Gunwitch, the best way to get over a woman is to get over another woman.
Very soon you will stumble upon a girl who takes your breath away. Then you
will hardly think about girl number one anymore.
Go rent Swingers again. Best line from that movie?
"Well, first you feel it every day...then it’s a little less every day after
that...and then one day...you don’t feel the pain anymore...and you miss the
pain, for the same reason that you miss her...because you lived with it for so
long..."
Zan
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date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 22:23:00 GMT
subject: Re: Technicality Question (Wing ethics)
I sarge alone. I hang out with my buddies all the time. That’s different. My
buddies are social proof - never wings.
And when I am on the make (which is pretty much all the time), they know they
better get the hell out of my way. Cause it’s on. And I want no distractions. I
don’t let them get mixed up in my sarging. Gets too political and clouds the
picture. Zan sees girl, Zan chases girl.
The worst thing I hate is when I am in a club and some acquaintance will come
up and stand in front of me and start to chit chat about random shit. This is
ok and normal for a while. But then I start to think, "Hey, enough talk, man.
Let’s check out the women".
Zan
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subject: OT: how can i turn my sex videos into mpegs?

>Im gonna get cut off AOL soon,
>is there any ISPs i can get
>hooked up to that i dont need
>a credit card or checking
>acunt. I wonder if i could go
>through a local one and pay at
>the offices?
You cold probably go into a local ISP with cash every month - or pay a bunch of
months up front.
>
>BTW how much does one of them
>card thingies cost and is it
>compatible with all VCRs and
>computers? Also how small are
>they and could they be
>shoplifted (not by me but i
>know a chik whos a MAJOR
>klepto, havent bought my own
>clothes in 5 years lol). She
>can get out anything about
>under the size of a small vcr.
Ha ha, at least you are congruent all the way. The card itself is small, but
the box it comes in might be damn big. Dunno for sure.
They are about $50 to $200 or so.
Zan
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>she has to go see her doctor
>before she can fuck me because
>she hasn’t
>fucked anybody in six years
>and she has to make sure
>everything is
>okay.
Ask if she also has to visit her dentist to make sure it’s ok for her to have a
dick in her mouth.
>yes, she’ll suck my cock while

>she’s waiting for the pill to
>kick in
I agree with Veroxii. You should have whipped it out. You’d know in about 5
seconds if she was really willing to give you head or not.
Tell her you’re a man who likes to engage all of his senses. And that you want
to feel and experience everything with her. You are a man of action and sex is
an important element in your life. Then drop your gear and see if she follows
through with a blowjob.
>BUT GOD DAMN IT!! This is

>supposed to be about FAST
>SEDUCTION!!
LOL, Fatass. This has got to be the slowest speed seduction in history. Must be
some quality tail to make you put up with this shit for so long.
Zan
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subject: [FR]: HB8 - Elevator - Suggestions appreciated
This happened to me last week and this is what I did. I got off on her floor
when she did.
Me: (smiling) Whoa, whoa... wait, sweetie! I enjoyed talking to you just now
and I can’t just let you run off into the sunset without asking you for your
number. Fate doesn’t place two people like you and me in the same elevator for
no reason.
Her: (laughing) Well, I don’t know you at all...
Me: See? That’s exactly my point. I would definitely like to see you again. But
if you’d rather not, then no problem, I’ll just get back on the elevator and be
gone.
Her: Ok, you have a pen?
Me: I’ll remember it.
Her: (tells number)
Me: (winking) Alright, I am going to call you very soon. Make sure you answer.
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date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 18:04:00 GMT
subject: OT: Re: [FR]: HB8 - Elevator - Suggestions appreciated
On 7/5/02 12:12:40 AM, cloudninevirtual wrote:

>Zan, could I possibly interest
>you in giving private acting
>classes...
>your lines and whole approach
>are gold, however it needs to
>be delivered
>with the right kind of humor
>to stick...I’d probably laugh
>my ass off
>and C&B. Good content with
>inept delivery is meaningless.
Hey cloudnine, you’re in Vancouver, right? And if memory serves, there is a

girl in Kelowna that you really like. Is this right?
Well, guess what? I sarge in Kelowna a lot. Lots of Canadian HBs - college
town.
Let me know when you are next going to be in Kelowna and I’ll hook up with you.
Zan
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subject: Target stolen
On 7/5/02 12:25:00 PM, convinceme wrote:

>We wander back in and I mingle
>around. She just keeps dancing
>and different people take
>turns dancing with her. BTW-
>she is wasted at this point.
>Just gone. Then I notice my
>friend, the wing from the
>other post, is dancing with
>her. I think nothing of it
>until 20 minutes later the
>entire party turns to find
>them making out on the
>balcony.
>
>The fucking weasel.
That is exactly why I wheel chicks alone. I arrive with my buddies, but in my
mind it is every guy for himself.
If one of my buddies makes time with a girl I’ve been working, good for him. I
don’t really care. But it works the other way as well. If a buddy likes a girl
or sees her first, I’ll will graciously make myself scarce.
But if it ain’t working for him, or she approaches and starts to talk to me,
chances are she is going home with me.
Fortunately, my buddies understand this dynamic.
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date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 18:44:00 GMT
subject: David Deangelo’s 8 personality types
On 7/5/02 4:36:00 AM, zarathustra_fi wrote:

>And more about the bad guy
>subject.. Ladies do not love
>men who love them but they
>love men who truly love
>themselves..
This is so true.
>Than You smile to the good

>looking lady ( if she is good
>looking ) who is serving You
>at the desk.. and make sure
>she understands You would fuck
>her.
>
>They love it !
Spot on, Zarathustra. This is exactly my modus operandi. I give bedroom eyes to
sales clerks, waitresses, whatever. No matter who I am with. I am always in
that mode - doesn’t matter how I am dressed.
I let her know with my eyes that I am a bad boy and that if I ever got her
alone, it would be game over for her. No leather jacket here. They get the
picture immediately.
Works like a charm.
Zan
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date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 18:52:00 GMT
subject: Re: one-itis
On 7/5/02 3:54:00 AM, zarathustra_fi wrote:

>By the way a few weeks I have
>had an english problem as I am
>not english speaking. Could
>You tell me more about what
>the term "bust her balls"
>means broadly ? I think I get
>the sense of the term and do
>it all the time with the
>ladies I PU but I would like
>to have more insight in this.
"Bust her balls" means to tease her and playfully call her on her shit.
Sarcasm, like you would do with your sister.
BTW, great post, Zarathustra...
Zan
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>Hmmm...I might want to use you
>for a faithfulness test at
>some point...:-)
Heh, don’t use me for a faithfulness test, cloudnine. I am damn good. >;-)
>Are you in Van or K.? BTW my

>private email is
>[email protected]
>...drop me a line.
>
Lately, I am in the Okanagan the most. So yeah, Kelowna is home turf - for now.
Zan
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author: "Zan"
date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:36:00 GMT
subject: The ’Wine Pattern’
Hey Alrdybig,
That was me on June 1. Here is what I said:
"Here’s something I say when a girl is acting resistant or says she wants to
"get to know me" for a while before she will sleep with me.
ME: HB, it is not in my nature to experience things only partially. I am a bon

vivant; I like to live well, and I need to experience everything in its
entirety. If I travel to another country, I don’t stay on the tourist track; I
can’t help but immerse myself fully into the culture - to absorb it through my
skin, to breathe it, to live it, to fade into it. Or for another example, wine
- you, HB, are like a fine wine of the rarest vintage. I can’t be content with
just looking at you. I absolutely must experience this wine on all levels. I
need to smell it, to draw in the exquisite bouquet, to carefully observe its
clarity and color, its texture and nuance. And finally, I must drink it all in,
savoring every drop, tasting it, experiencing it, breathing it, living it,
fading into it..."
This, in my opinion, is the best ASD melter I have found. I use it all the
time.
Zan
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Attaboy, Fatass. Love the attitude. And you are right. You have a lot to offer
just being yourself.
WTF you doing over there right now, anyhow? Working?
Zan
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>Oh boy, I know what you’re
>doing in the Okanagan
>now...*smile*. Zan, are
>you connected with the wine
>industry in any shape or form?
>I am leaving
>high tech behind me and
>wanting to change venues -
>wine sales sounds
>like a good plot but I’m
>rather clueless on how to
>break in. On a
>related note, I went to a
>tasting fair this March at the
>Westin Bayshore
>in V. - I haven’t seen so many
>HBs in one room before or
>since - it
>was almost scary.
>So, could you ahem clue me in?
>...short of driving up to the
>vineyard’s
>frontgate that is...
>
Sorry, cloudnine. I am in high tech myself. But I do drink a lot of wine - so

indirectly I am connected to the industry.
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Its not what you can do but what you ARENT doing! / 292
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Hmm, interesting thread.
Gunwitch, obviously you have found some value in this community. Otherwise you
wouldn’t be here. You would simply be out fucking hot chicks and have no need
to post here. You say you are here only to help others. But that can’t be all
true. You are getting something out of this as well, or you wouldn’t be here.
I agree that the patterns and specific techniques are superfluous. I have never
used them. But what is important in this ASF world is what it teaches you about
the *psychology* of women. How their minds work. It is in this area that I
have learned a great deal. We share our experiences we’ve had with women and
then one guy goes, "Hey, that applies to my situation. Never thought about that
before." In this way, we all grow together. Therein lies the value.
To a degree you are right. No method or tactic is going to work for all guys.
The gurus might be preaching something that doesn’t fit a specific guy’s
persona.
For instance, you come across to guys and girls as someone who is ready to
fight and who would take a girl into the bathroom at the drop of a hat and fuck
her brains out. This works for you extremely well. As you said, your success
rate with this method is very good. Two a month, I think you said?
But I don’t think it would work for me. You see, I’m more of a pretty boy -
poetic, rakish, bedroom eyes, etc. I am fucking Don Juan DeMarco when I talk to
girls. I convince them that there would be no greater experience for them than
to take off their panties for me. I don’t act tough or try to intimidate other
guys. I ignore them. They mean nothing to me and they are just in my way.
Boyfriends, husbands, etc. are simply a small buzzing nuisance that must be
swatted away.
I harbor the idea that every woman is deserving of passion. That is what I give
them. Who gives a fuck about their boyfriend? This is between me and her.
But this is the way I approach and it is my style. Completely different from
yours. In fact, the only thing our approaches have in common is that the girl
knows within five minutes that we intend to fuck her. At that point, they can
take it or leave it. There is no nice guy mindset. Your style is to bulldoze
them with your desires and sexuality. My style is to overwhelm them with
passion. And what’s cool is that they are both equally valid for getting us
laid. And just as fast.
Lots of styles are successful. All I know is that mine is very, very
successful. I am absolutely certain I have been with more women than most guys
here. Of course I am 38, but most of the girls I was with happened while I was
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in my 20s. Most of my 20s was one long blur of women. And not one UG or fatty
in the bunch. I settled down with an HB10 LTR when I was 29, and we only broke
up 8 months ago. So even losing ten years to a LTR, I have still had phenomenal
success with my passionate, romantic approach.
And I have no doubt that by the time you are 38, you will have been with a very
large amount of women. Maybe more than I (but you better pick up the pace, dude
- in my mind, two different women per month is a slow fucking month for me).
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com OT: To Fatass... / 293
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author: "Zan"
date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:24:00 GMT
subject: OT: To Fatass...
Hey Fatass,
Send me your email address. Couple things I want to ask you.
Contact me here: z_a_n at hotmail dot com
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com the essence of my game - c&f frames (kooper) / 294
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author: "Zan"
date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:23:00 GMT
subject: the essence of my game - c&f frames (kooper)
Hi Kooper...
Very good post, my friend. I remember back when you first posted your eternal
love routine back in the summer. Excellent - and immediately assimilated into
my game. This type of role playing immediately puts you on the same team - you
two against the world. The ultimate inside joke.
Someone asked how do you start or transition into such a frame. Well, I start
it the moment I first lay eyes on her. For instance, Zan sees new girl:
ZAN: Milady... you have pierced my heart with a thousand cruel arrows... for I
can never love another... ah yes, but love is not a welcomed art...
ZAN: Your lips are a spring - I die of thirst...
ZAN: Slay me now, oh fairest of women... for now I must depart... nevermore to
return...
Haha, I love this kind of stuff because, if said jokingly, it is fun! Smile,
wink, etc.
Your game is tight, Kooper. Nice to see this synopsis of your technique and
attitude...
Zan
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Zan via FastSeduction.com Hello from Zan... / 295
Hello from Zan... / 295
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author: "Zan"
date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:02:00 GMT
subject: Hello from Zan...
Hey everybody!
Just saying hello. I have not checked into this forum for a long time. Been
very busy... and so it goes.
Lot of new guys here - wow! Welcome, and to all you guys who go back a ways
with me here, nice to (virtually) see you again.
And high-five to to you, FormHandle...
Zan
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Table of Contents
Table of Contents
Zan Post Archive . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1
Background . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2
Newbie report 2 / 151 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3
Re: The delicate art of phone numbers / 152 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
Horoscope blocked: You’re not compatible. / 153 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6
Is there a moral question here? / 154 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7
Re: Drunk Chicks / 155 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9
2 Questions / 156 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10
Re: Massage / 157 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11
...something special. A neg?? / 158 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12
comeback for ’what did you say your name was...?’ / 159 . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13
Re: Natural Woman Poem - here’s one! / 160 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14
I let slip from my mouth, ’Kino her!’ / 161 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15
Re: Question: Delaying the F-Close / 162 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 16
The Natural Women, a primate variation.... / 163 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 17
Re: You’re gonna love this one / 164 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 19
Re: mindsets / 165 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20
eternal love routine / 166 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21
questions about stories / 167 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 22
Re: OMG...I can’t believe I said that!! / 168 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24
Verbal Consent to Oral Reciprocation- Then Flake! / 169 . . . . . . . . . . . . . 25
ChickLogic: Thinking vs Emotions / 170 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 26
Is indifference attractive? I don’t think so... / 171 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 27
Re: A damn PUA convention / 172 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28
Acquiring Social Proof / 173 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 29
How to identify interest? / 174 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 31
Instant UGlifiers / 175 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 32
Acquiring Social Proof / 176 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 33
3 somes / 177 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 34
Re: On Battling The Flakiness of the Young Ones / 178 . . . . . . . . . . . . . 35
On Battling The Flakiness of the Young Ones / 179 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 37
Bars FR / 180 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 38
Re: On Battling The Flakiness of the Young Ones / 181 . . . . . . . . . . . . . 39
Do I have to fuck the UGs? / 182 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 41
How trashing other guys can fuck up your game / 183 . . . . . . . . . . . . . 42
The Pawn Paradox / 184 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 43
Update on HB9.5 Bartender / 185 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 44
DYD Seminar - Review (Long) / 186 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 45
Internet Meeting / 187 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 46
1st Outing As RAFC Please Read Need Advice (Long) / 188 . . . . . . . . . . . . 47
Re: Social proof from family - is it worth it? / 189 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 52
talkin’ ’bout sex / 190 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 53
Re: www.seductionbb.com / 191 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55
Question: On Getting into an LTR / 192 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 56
Re: cocky funny examples / 193 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 57
another reason cocky & funny works / 194 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 59
openers...do u guys use compliments? / 195 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 61
Would like 2 discuss ’I wanna bring friends’ test / 196 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 62
What women REALLY want. Rant but a must read. / 197 . . . . . . . . . . . . . 63
Re: Question: On Getting into an LTR / 198 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 65
has to do with goals(was What women REALLY want) / 199 . . . . . . . . . . . . 66
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Ex-wives of impotent men! / 200 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 68

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Re: Asking girls to get tested / 201 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 69
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OT: Handle Change / 202 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 70
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The ’69 Shirt’ Opener / 203 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71
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Taking a shit at their place / 204 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 72
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KICK ME IN THE FUCKING ASS!! / 205 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 73
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KICK ME IN THE FUCKING ASS!! / 206 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 74
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Re: RANT...I need serious help / 207 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 75
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Taking a shit at their place / 208 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 76
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Giants and freaks at the club / 209 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 77
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Re: Negs. intensity should not depend on looks....... / 210 . . . . . . . . . . . . . 79
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Re: Asking girls to get tested / 211 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 80
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As per request: Remembering phone numbers / 212 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 81
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Re: PU Checklist / 213 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 83
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Re: This is why we don’t sarge online anymore. / 214 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 84
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what is sarging / 215 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 85
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Online in french / 217 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 87
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Re: Why we don’t talk about sex? / 219 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 89
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Re: Why we don’t talk about sex? / 220 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 90
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Staring AFCs. / 221 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 91
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Re: The Cologne Opener / 222 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 92
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AoS: Which Seducer Are You? / 223 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 93
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Interesting Question for PUA’s / 224 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 94
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image question / 225 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 95
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Newbies, read this. / 226 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 96
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Newbies, read this. / 227 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 97
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HB negs me / 228 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 98
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Re: Uncharted Waters / 229 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 99
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camping * close, sorta / 230 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 101
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Newbie on one-itis(!!!) and ASF / 231 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 103
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Zap makes good use of delay! / 232 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 104
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Re: AOS X: The Power of Words (6/17/02 update) / 233 . . . . . . . . . . . . . 105
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AOS IX: Keep them in Suspense (new) / 234 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 106
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What’s an HB10? / 235 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 108
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Roomate Situation / 236 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 109
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Re: OT: Re: HB9 about to get married. How to stop that? / 237 . . . . . . . . . . . . 110
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OT: Re: HB9 about to get married. How to stop that? / 238 . . . . . . . . . . . . . 112
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Re: chick says to call next week / 239 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 114
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any good recorders? / 240 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 115
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any good recorders? / 241 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 116
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PUAs who don’t need to approach / 242 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 117
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Re: Putting them In line / 243 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 119
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how far is too far? / 244 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 120
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how many dates does it take for sex? / 245 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 121
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What do you think is the best way?? / 246 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 122
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Supermarket Approaches? / 247 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 123
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Fu*ked Up Possible Lay / 248 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 124
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quote that sums up remote seduction. / 249 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125
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Promise me / 250 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 126
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LSE - just other shittesting / 251 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 127
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Holy shit: HB9 EC & Smile #close / 252 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 128
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Will someone help me remove my foot from my mouth? / 253 . . . . . . . . . . . . 129
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Another Phone Pickup / 254 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 132
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Anais Nin quotation / 255 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 133

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@ Close with top of the sphere girl / 256 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 134
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chicks and peach schnapps! and... yet another supplic... / 257 . . . . . . . . . . . . 136
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what are great fun places to take chicks? / 258 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 137
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Re: what are great fun places to take chicks? / 259 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 138
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Promise me / 260 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 139
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IMPLIED SOCIAL PROOF THEORY / 261 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140
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help me have some fun / 262 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 142
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Question About First Get-Together / 263 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 143
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Re: OT: two people falling in love / 264 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 144
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Re: OT: two people falling in love / 265 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 146
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Well, am i going to jail? / 266 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 149
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Ubelievable Story ... / 267 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150
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Compliment Opener??? / 268 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 151
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Compliment Opener??? / 269 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 153
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Experience with older women / 270 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 154
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Field report HBquiet :Need advice / 271 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 155
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Re: Ubelievable Story ... / 272 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 157
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F-close and more... / 273 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 158
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Re: Experience with older women / 274 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 159
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Re: F-close and more... / 275 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 160
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Re: F-close and more... / 276 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 162
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Well? Are you a man, or a pussy? / 277 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 163
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Re: Example of an online sarge. / 278 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 166
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TRUTH about Gunwitch. / 279 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 167
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Re: Technicality Question (Wing ethics) / 280 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 168
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OT: how can i turn my sex videos into mpegs? / 281 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 169
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pseudo-virgin keeps virtue intact / 282 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 170
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[FR]: HB8 - Elevator - Suggestions appreciated / 283 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 171
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OT: Re: [FR]: HB8 - Elevator - Suggestions appreciated / 284 . . . . . . . . . . . . 172
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Target stolen / 285 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 173
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David Deangelo’s 8 personality types / 286 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 174
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Re: one-itis / 287 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175
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Re: OT: Re: [FR]: HB8 - Elevator - Suggestions apprec... / 288 . . . . . . . . . . . . 176
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The ’Wine Pattern’ / 289 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 177
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blowing my own horn / 290 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 178
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OT: Re: The ’Wine Pattern’ / 291 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 179
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Its not what you can do but what you ARENT doing! / 292 . . . . . . . . . . . . . 180
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OT: To Fatass... / 293 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 182
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the essence of my game - c&f frames (kooper) / 294 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 183
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Hello from Zan... / 295 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 184
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DISCLAIMER . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 185
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Newbie report 2 / 151

On 5/20/02 10:51:00 PM, tic_tac_tocus wrote:

Sounds pretty natural and normal to me.

Re: The delicate art of phone numbers / 152

On 5/21/02 5:48:16 AM, jake_ wrote:

ME: Hey, why didn’t you call me?

because nobody else ever got this special number.

Cheesy? Sure, but oh well...

Horoscope blocked: You’re not compatible. / 153

Good job, Zap. Nice recovery.

Fortunately, I am a Sagittarius. And whenever I am asked and mention this, it

Is there a moral question here? / 154

You are definitely asking the wrong people (well, me anyway).

I don’t believe in taking advantage of a woman, and I simply can’t bear it if I

(I know it’s just a movie. FormHandle, please don’t yell at me >;-)

Re: Drunk Chicks / 155

On 5/21/02 4:47:05 PM, Alessandro wrote:

LMAO, the Law of Diminishing Returns...

Makes for an instant conversation starter.

Re: Massage / 157

On 5/22/02 12:24:00 PM, AllWeatherGal wrote:

Don’t worry, it’ll hold you both

...something special. A neg?? / 158

Scoob, a quote from the FAQ:

"No more than 2 negs on an average HB (7-9/7-9), a maximum of 3 on a super HB

Heh, my real name means "gift of God".

So I guess I could tell her I am God’s gift to women...

Re: Natural Woman Poem - here’s one! / 160

Wow, damn good poem, SlickEddiez. You missed your calling.

I was thinking more along the lines of:

Roses are red

I let slip from my mouth, ’Kino her!’ / 161

LOL, that is funny, Zap!

I think it should be added to the player guide:

"Eye contact, don’t break eye contact"

Re: Question: Delaying the F-Close / 162

On 5/24/02 2:50:00 AM, BioHazzerd wrote:

Alessandro! Abort! Abort!

So much for synchronized fucking :-0

The Natural Women, a primate variation.... / 163

On 5/24/02 12:07:00 PM, DBCooper wrote:

Hey, would that work in the grocery store?

HB eyeing up the last cantaloupe.

>Bonobos use sex. Also the Bonobos treat

A quote from the article:

"Bonobos are a partial exception. Recently a fair amount of information about

Re: You’re gonna love this one / 164

On 5/24/02 5:58:52 AM, spirit wrote:

Re: mindsets / 165

On 5/24/02 8:16:00 PM, marcc wrote:

eternal love routine / 166

Excellent. Very creative, Kooper.

questions about stories / 167

On 5/25/02 4:40:00 PM, Manifestis3 wrote:

>just say that i’m a virgin

Heh, borrow one of my stories (both true):