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May 21, 2010 at 2:01pm
 
Post by drewy on May 21, 2010 at 2:01pm
As some of you may have noticed Thecus have just announced via their “official” forum that there
will never be any further release firmware versions for the 5200\pro. See this thread
drewy
www.thecus.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19

Senior Member

This is despite the fact that the last release version was later reduced to beta status and then
removed altogether. In addition they are still actively promoting and selling this product, so
potential buyers please beware.

Anyway enough of getting morbid. This little nas is still an excellent piece of hardware and has a
good few years left in it yet. What we need is a good, stable, fast open firmware version.

From reading various forums over the years I know that a number of users are running all sorts of
linux, Solaris and possibly even Windows OS's on these little boxes. What I'd like to do is
encourage these trail blazing users to post some details about their adventures here in once place, so
Posts: 322 that the rest of us who up until now maybe haven't been brave enough to take that step can do so
now but in a more informed way.

It would also be great to get some basic benchmarks from the various OS flavours too, I don't
necessarily mean anything very complicated just basic file transfer speeds for various file sizes etc.

So who will be first to tell us of their adventures into uncharted territories?

synthaxx
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May 21, 2010 at 7:10pm
 
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Post by synthaxx on May 21, 2010 at 7:10pm
I guess i'll kick this thing off.

While i'm certainly no trail blazer (i wouldn't have been able to do these things without the helpfull
posts on this forum), the fact that the box is still in one piece and working better than it has ever
done kind of speaks for itself, and something i'm quite proud of.

Firstly while you could certainly go the home-installed route without any hardware alterations, i
would highly recommend at least replacing the DOM (Disk On Module) for the very simple reason
that should anything go wrong you can get back to the old situation with a simple swap of the
module itself.

Posts: 7 Also, if the data on the drives is valuable, please unplug them all during installation and possible
debugging.

My current hardware is as follows:

Pentium M 760 SL7SM 2Ghz processor

1Gb noname 400mhz DDR memory (made usable by adjusting the bios)

4GB Transcend TS4GDOM44H-S DOM module

Due to a gigantic stroke of luck all of these components cost less than 50 euros

Current software configuration:

OS: Ubuntu Server 10.04 LTS

RAID: 4 WD20EADS drives in a RAID5 MDADM array (512kb chunk size), XFS Filesystem

Management: Webmin 1.510

GUI: Gnome on FreeNX server

Virtualization: VirtualBox 3.18 (yes, you can run a full OS on it!)

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Misc: Heyu (X10 light control), VLC (multicast streaming/transcoding/playing via usb soundcard),
Transmission (torrents), HellaNZB (Newsgroups), Apache (internal control sites), and a lot more.

First off, why Ubuntu? For me it was a combination of familiarity and support. The forums are well
stocked with answers for almost all problems people have encountered, the wiki's are generally
well serviced and the shear size of the available software repositories boggles the mind.

I started off with first simulating the whole move in a virtual enviroment. This allows you to
completely mess up without much consequence. Also for people not familiar with making and
supporting a raid array in linux (like myself) this is a real life saver when it comes to the real thing.

In the virtual enviroment i played with adding drives, removing them, growing, shrinking and
generally messing about (i recommend this and this as reference.).

With that down i proceeded to the real thing.

Now you can install the N5200 via USB once, if you replace the DOM. The bios will search for
available options, exhaust them, and try alternatives (E.G. your USB stick).
You have to make an automatically (remove all menus) bootable USB disk and stick the option
"console=ttyS0" in the kernel parameters. If you then hookup a null-modem cable and a laptop you
can install the whole OS from there.

On mine it did not go as smoothely. I've written that up here.

As for the RAID, it turns out that you can't grow an EXT2/3/4 partition beyond 4TB (who knew?)
so I went with XFS.

For more information on this i'd recommend the MythTV Wiki.

All of this currently gives me the following in a disk benchmark:

root@pandora:~# hdparm -t /dev/md0

/dev/md0:

Timing buffered disk reads:  296 MB in  3.00 seconds =  98.63 MB/sec

Which is about enough to theoretically saturate 1gbit link, and honestly a whole lot better than i
was expecting. I'll keep tweaking ofcourse.

In practice this translate over an NFS share to about 40-50MB/s.

The DOM also feels fast enough that i run things like Thunderbird with all my mail in it directly
from the NAS instead of my PC so i can keep it central and accessible from anywhere.

I finished the whole thing off by connecting the old drives (5 x WD10EADS in RAID5) to my
Ubuntu PC, mounting the N5200 created array, and rsynching the whole thing over to the "new"
NAS.
You could also do this permanently, and use this method to keep the old drives and data, just with a
new OS.

If you go this route, installing your NAS from scratch, you will need a solid understanding of basic
Linux structure and operation. For me this has been 4 years in the making, from installing Ubuntu
one rainy night and sticking with it. I cannot guarantee you'll make it, but if you're willing to learn
you can do some amazing things. As said, i'd start with a virtual enviroment with some nice and
safe virtual disks and work your way up from there.

I also want to get this out there: a big thanks to each and every contributer to this forum, without
your help and examples i could never have done any of this!
Last Edit: May 21, 2010 at 7:21pm by synthaxx
drewy
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May 26, 2010 at 1:59pm
 
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Post by drewy on May 26, 2010 at 1:59pm
Thanks for the info. Is it possible to use the auto\timed startup with ubuntu?

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shinger

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Jun 16, 2010 at 2:43am
 
Post by shinger on Jun 16, 2010 at 2:43am
ill keep it short for now because i dont have alot of time. But later ill tell my story. Im also using
Ubuntu 10.04 LTS why? exactly what already has been explained 2 posts above.

for now i only can tell that if you do it right YOU WONT REGRET A SINGLE STEP YOU TAKE
to run your OWN OS BY CHOICE on your NAS.

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Jun 16, 2010 at 8:23pm
 
Post by ditchwater on Jun 16, 2010 at 8:23pm
ditchwater
Thanks for this thread. I'm planning to buy a new DOM and install Ubuntu server, too, as per the
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above instructions.

But I have a quick question: are there any issues with running Ubuntu on a DOM? I recall that
when you install Debian to run from a USB stick, you have to be careful not to have the OS write to
the same place repeatedly. You avoid it by turning off certain logging features. (I'm thinking of
Debian on the NSLU2 here.)

Do DOMs suffer a similar problem, where you can wear them out inside of a couple of years by
rewriting to the same place on the DOM? Or can you just do standard Ubuntu install?

thanks

Ditch Water.

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PS is there much real-world advantage in buying an 8G DOM, over a 4G DOM? I'm not planning
to install that many apps, and nothing big. 4G is plenty, right?

drewy

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Jun 17, 2010 at 1:34pm
 
Post by drewy on Jun 17, 2010 at 1:34pm
I run xbmc live installed on a usb flash drive on one machine. No problems so far (about 1 year)
but to be honest with the prices of 4-8GB sticks is it a great worry that they won't last forever.

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raheesom
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Jun 25, 2010 at 5:28am
 
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Post by raheesom on Jun 25, 2010 at 5:28am
What an interesting concept! Running an alternative OS on the NAS - didn't know it was possible
until I read all about it here!

I'm having problems not being able to delete some files & folders on my N5200 Thecus NAS. I
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mostly access it from my Macbook using SMB protocol. I use SMB because I also access the NAS
using an XP PC, and I found wierd file problems when I mixed protocols - doing actions on the
same file from both computers.

So, I was looking for a solution to the error msg "you do not have sufficient permissions" when
trying to delete a folder on the NAS (from Macbook). I don't have any permissions enabled on the
NAS. I used to, but turned them off at one point, I forget why.

Posts: 1
Anyway, I'm also concerned about what I read on this forum that FW updates can no longer be
relied on. I checked the latest FW from the Thecus site - 2.00.18.4. I've got 2.00.14 installed so not
hugely different.

I am familiar with Linux, although haven't run it lately. I do have 64 bit Ubuntu desktop installed
on a dual-Opteron PC (diff one) which is too expensive on elec to run most of the time!

I'm quite interested in finding out how to get my N5200 running on a Linux stick!

You guys here talk of a DOM. I assume that is the embedded OS module which the NAS's native
OS runs on? I've had mine replaced once when a FW update went wrong. I didn't know that you
can buy these DOM modules retail? And if so, how to write to it/update it?

I see you guys saying on this thread that you're not cutting edge or leading techs... I think you're
pretty cutting edge!! How many people are running their own OS's on Thecus or other NAS
hardware? Or am I just blind to what going on recently? :-)

Can I assume from what I've read on this thread that if you take out the Thecus DOM module from
the NAS, and stick a Linux usb into the device, that the N5200 should be able to boot straight from
that and mount the raid (I've got raid5 running on all 5 disks)?

Do you guys run a non Gnome command line only Linux?

OK, so instead of me asking more questions here... about how to migrate from the Thecus FW to a
Linux stick, how about I get some initial response?

Thanks!
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Jun 25, 2010 at 12:57pm
 
Post by nibbles on Jun 25, 2010 at 12:57pm
My own perspective here:

So nice to know others have the same mindset. I agree with drewy about the idea of running an
alternative OS would be great. It seems that others have tried. I have yet to try this and highly likely
nibbles
to use Ubuntu as well since it's well supported platform. The idea of sharing this information may
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prove ideal if someone who has done this can take the time to provide a basic overview in what
they did to achieve this. I for one completely understand comments made in that no doubt there is a
knowledge requirement and even a potential learning curve if your not familiar with another OS
however there are some of us within this forum I'm sure may be able to further expand possibly
with documentation. Of course it's a matter of time as well to be able to do such project. I'm still
trying to find the time to change my CPU on my N5200 pro - it's just sitting there waiting and
crying for me to install it :-)

Thanks drewy for raising this topic since it's also of interest to me and appreciate knowing from
other user that it's been done using Ubuntu. I see not only the value in potentially maximizing
transfer rates but also see the benefit of expanding to more interesting applications tried by others.

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I would be interested in even obtains a DOM module to try this out if someone does not mind
sharing their experience in how they approach the install.

As a suggestion, the document can be initially written in a technical perspective that achieve the
result. I'm sure others may later provide an expanded revision for others to benefit

Nibbles
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drewy
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Jul 15, 2010 at 11:52am
 
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Post by drewy on Jul 15, 2010 at 11:52am

Jun 25, 2010 at 5:28am raheesom said:

Posts: 322 You guys here talk of a DOM. I assume that is the embedded OS module which the NAS's native
OS runs on? I've had mine replaced once when a FW update went wrong. I didn't know that you
can buy these DOM modules retail? And if so, how to write to it/update it?

DOM=Disk On Module. Yes, this is where the firmware lives.

They can be purchased online.

I see you guys saying on this thread that you're not cutting edge or leading techs... I think you're
pretty cutting edge!! How many people are running their own OS's on Thecus or other NAS
hardware? Or am I just blind to what going on recently? :-)

Can I assume from what I've read on this thread that if you take out the Thecus DOM module from
the NAS, and stick a Linux usb into the device, that the N5200 should be able to boot straight from
that and mount the raid (I've got raid5 running on all 5 disks)?

You could replace the standard DOM with one of your own or yes you could boot from a usb
thumb drive. To configure the thecus to boot from a usb drive you would need to access the bios
settings. To do this you'd need to fit a rgb header to the thecus motherboard. There are posts in this
forum that explain how to do this both perminantley and temporary.

The raid array is just standard linux software raid, so you should be able to (carefully) mount it
under most linux distro's.

Do you guys run a non Gnome command line only Linux?

Personally I'd go for just a command line installation. I wouldn't want to burn cpu cycles on a gui.
Even if you go with command line only, you can still install a web front end such as webadmin to
enable easy(er) remote access and configuration.

I'd also try out a NAS friendly linux distro such as openfiler. I've used this in the past (not on a
thecus) and I like it.

Last Edit: Jul 15, 2010 at 11:54am by drewy

deej
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Jul 22, 2010 at 3:43pm
 
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Post by deej on Jul 22, 2010 at 3:43pm
Having read this thread, and being confronted with the limitations of the Thecus firmware (and
certainly the lack of development thereof), I'm going to go for it as well.

I ordered myself a 4GB Transcend DOM module and when it arrives I'll be trying to figure out how
to install a minimalistic Fedora 13 on it.

When that works, as an extra hobby project, I'm going to figure out how to create a Fedora 13
Thecus respin with an ISO you can put on an USB stick so everyone can do an unattended install
on a Thecus N5200 Pro. Because I'm tired of being stuck with a non-developed firmware (and
Posts: 8 buggy busybox).

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If you guys have hints & tips on how to start spinning your own customized distro's, feel free to
shoot.

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Jul 22, 2010 at 6:59pm
 
Post by Arctra on Jul 22, 2010 at 6:59pm

Arctra

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Jul 22, 2010 at 3:43pm deej said:

Having read this thread, and being confronted with the limitations of the Thecus firmware (and
certainly the lack of development thereof), I'm going to go for it as well.

I ordered myself a 4GB Transcend DOM module and when it arrives I'll be trying to figure out how
to install a minimalistic Fedora 13 on it.

When that works, as an extra hobby project, I'm going to figure out how to create a Fedora 13
Thecus respin with an ISO you can put on an USB stick so everyone can do an unattended install
on a Thecus N5200 Pro. Because I'm tired of being stuck with a non-developed firmware (and
Posts: 143 buggy busybox).

If you guys have hints & tips on how to start spinning your own customized distro's, feel free to
shoot.

If you manage to do this you will be my hero! My box recently died and I am not wanting to spend
money on getting a VGA header soldered in (as I lack the skills) so I can try and install my own
OS. A simple replacement of the DOM and a USB boot would be simply awesome!
deej
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Jul 24, 2010 at 10:50am
 
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Post by deej on Jul 24, 2010 at 10:50am

Jul 22, 2010 at 6:59pm Arctra said:

If you manage to do this you will be my hero! My box recently died and I am not wanting to spend
money on getting a VGA header soldered in (as I lack the skills) so I can try and install my own
Posts: 8 OS. A simple replacement of the DOM and a USB boot would be simply awesome!

Hehe let's not get ahead of ourselves, I first need to learn a lot. But I should receive the 4GB DOM
already this Monday or Tuesday .

In the mean time I emulated a Thecus N5200 Pro in VirtualBox. It's a 1 core 512 MB virtual system
which has a 4GB vdisk on the IDE port and 5 vdisks on the SATA port in RAID5. I'm using this to
start playing with "minimal" Fedora installs and learn. I already found a minimal set of features I'd
need to be a decent replacement for the Thecus:

- Fedora 13 32 bit with working yum

- Serial console working (just-in-case)

- SSH server

- FTP server (I know how to configure vsftpd so I'll be using that one, it's lightning fast)

- SMB / NFS (still have to study these)

- WebMin (found a great Ajax interface for that!!!)

That's a basic setup that should get everyone going I think.

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I'm taking notes and learning as I go along and I realized in the mean time that for anyone willing
to learn more about Linux, this is actually a good exercise. Start with a minimal install (no
graphics) and figure out how scripts work, where files are located etc...

But there's still much more stuff to figure out:

- I can do mdadm (the Linux software raid thing) from the command line but something automatic
and with a web-based interface would be nice

- I have to learn Fedora's Revisor & Kickstart features so I can spin my own ISO and create
unattended installs

- I still have to learn more about Samba and NFS since, well, it is going to be for a NAS

- I want to have a look at OpenFiler to see if that could be interesting instead of Fedora

- In the end I'd even like to be able to send monitoring info through the front panel LCD

I'll keep you posted ;-)

shinger
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Jul 27, 2010 at 12:44pm
 
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Post by shinger on Jul 27, 2010 at 12:44pm
As i promised you guys to give my full story about my little project that im the most proud of.

First of all like everybody else i did get annoyed by the firmware thecus gives. I mean got to make
your own module if you want some software to be running on it, the kernel is way to old and the
most important reason "they stopped supporting it" =_=!.

So after finding out that some other guys had a little project going on putting a other version of
linux (centOS) on there NB5200x x. I also got really curious about this matter so i began
questioning what i needed to do this. This is what i got for answers.

Posts: 128 - Where do i get this "DOM"-disk?

A: You can buy it online the one was advised was from transcend (i bought a 8 GB DOM-DISK)

- Can i also put other linux distro on it or does it have to be CentOS?

A: yes, you could probably put any of the latest linux version ( i waited until Ubuntu 10.04 server
came out. Why? well because this is a LTS version and ubuntu is VERY well supported and i also
have the desktop verson on my laptop and computer.

Those two question where the most important to me and after i got those answered i began my little
project.

Step 1: Download Ubuntu 10.04 server LTS 32bit (You can download it
releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/ubuntu-10.04-server-i386.iso here or you just can go to ubuntu website
and download it using torrent-file or just from an other server. http://www.ubuntu.com)

Step 2: obtain a USB-stick with a minimal of 1 GB of space on it, a USB-Keyboard and a monitor
with VGA connector)www.jestineyong.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/vga2.jpg

Step 3: Purchase a DOM-Disk ( i got a 8 GB but i only use like 1.6 gb of space so you could also
buy a 4 gb one)REMEMBER IT HAS TO BE A 44 PIN

Step 4: Upgrade your RAM (in your NAS there is only 512 MB of RAM but if you want to install
linux version on it so why not upgrading it to 1 GB of RAM)

Step 5: Purchase a VGA connector ( i had those plugs so i didn't solder it on the motherboard)

Step 6: Put the VGA connector on to your motherboard, replace your RAM making it 1 GB,
replace your DOM-DISK, plug the USB on one of those USB-ports and monitor on the VGA-
connector you just putted on the motherboard.

Step 7: after you downloaded the ubuntu 10.04 server LTS iso make a LIVE-USB (In ubuntu you
have USB-Creator software. In windows some developers made a similair software
www.softpedia.com/get/System/Boot-Manager-Disk/uSbuntu-Live-Creator.shtml But im not sure
how it goes on a mac)

Step 8: Connect the USB-stick on one of those empty USB-Ports and turn your NAS on.

Step 9: As soon as it turns on you see the POST press i think DEL button to get in the BIOS if not
you could see it on the screen which one it should be. And change the boot sequence so that the
USB-stick is on the first place.

Step 10: As the NAS turns on this time it boots the ubuntu of the usb-stick so you got to install it
now on the DOM-disk. LOOK VERY CLOSELY ON WHAT YOU CHOSE TO BE INSTALLED
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ON.. So you don't install it on one of your hard disks.

Step 11: After you installed ubuntu server on your DOM-Disk login using the username and
password you gave when you where installing ubuntu.

Step 12: type this first sudo apt-get install perl5 libnet-ssleay-perl this is needed to install
webmin.

Step 13: Type this after you installed the first one wget <URL of webmin *.deb package> you can
find it right here www.webmin.com/download.html look for text "Debian package suitable for
Debian, Ubuntu or other derived Linux"

Step 14: Type this after you downloaded the webmin *.deb package sudo dpkg -i *.deb

Step 15: If you havent installed the ssh-server while you were installing ubuntu installed it by
executing the next command. sudo apt-get install openssh-server openssh-client

Step 16: You can now access your NAS using web (webmin or SSH but i would advise webmin
because its much easier). Go to the updates and install all the updates available.

Step 17: After you installed the updates and rebooted connect to the NAS using SSH or just direct
approach using your keyboard and monitor connected to it. And execute this command first:

sudo apt-get install python-software-properties

and second command:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:a.bono/samba3.5

This is really necessary because samba got a bug that wont allow you using NFS it is really
annoying.

Step 18: After you accomplish step 17 go to webmin and install the remaining updates (they are for
samba)

Step 19: This step is rather big < so scroll down to see this step> (Mounting your Harddisks)

MOUNTING YOUR HARDDISKS:

Well im not sure it goes the same way with your NAS like it was with mine but ill just explain how
i got mine mounted using webmin ofcourse.

Step 1: make a SSH connection (you can use putty or you could use terminal if you use a linux
version in my case i use linux so i used the (kiss) terminal (Kiss)

Step 2: This step is really for everybody different if you look at my case.

I have harddisk 1 in BJOD and harddisks 2, 3, 4, 5 in RAID5

so what i needed to do is i had to mount the first harddisk and the rest of the harddisks because they
are in RAID so they count as 1.

I made 2 new directory's in /media/

sudo mkdir /media/RAID1 (i called it raid1 its not raid 1 but i just called it like that)

And second directory for my RAID5

sudo mkdir /media/RAID5

These 2 directorys i just made are only MOUNT points so it doesn't matter if you call them balls or
what ever your dirty mind comes up with XD. But i used it so i would remember it in case i make a
SSH connection and im browsing through everything.

Step 3: Go to webmin using your webbrowser ( i would recommend everything except Internet
Explorer)

Step 4: Go to "Logical Volume Management"-->Logical volumes(third tab)--> click on one of those

things you see. ( Mines were like 2.72 GB lv0 and 838 kb lv0 one because i have raid5 and second
one is seperate)

Step 5: If you have clicked on one of those go to the "Mount on LV" and type there your mounting
point mines were RAID1 and RAID5 so i had to put the right one there and after you typed that in
click on the button "Mount on LV" and then click on "Create" this should mount your harddisks or
raid. If you got more then one then you got to do this more then once. with different lv0's offcourse.

Guys all of this knowledge has a GPL-license so do what every you want to do with it . And if
you have any questions about it.. you know where to find me.

ps. I haven't fixed the display yet im not sure how to do it they say you have to compile the drivers
and blablabl.. but i dont know how to obtain those.

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Now you can install what every you want to install i have proftpd installed as ftp-server and Deluge
and the web plugin of it and you gotta love this its 10 times better then vuze (no offense towards
drewy) ubuntu-utah.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8993549&postcount=1 (here you can find
the tutorial )

- You can also install LAMP-server (Linux Apache Mysql PHP as a webserver)

webmin got 20 times more plugins then the N5200 got im planning to put Openradius and a good
webbased media-server but im not sure which one.
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gideon007

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Jul 29, 2010 at 5:37am
 
Post by gideon007 on Jul 29, 2010 at 5:37am
thank you! great guide!

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deej

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Jul 30, 2010 at 11:39am
 
Post by deej on Jul 30, 2010 at 11:39am
I set up a blog about my progress of modding the Thecus the way I want it. You can read it here
(although it does not contain too much info yet): cudora.blogspot.com/.

Feel free to comment!

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