Isaiah Berlin - Interview
Isaiah Berlin - Interview
Isaiah Berlin - Interview
liberty demand is the placing of it [sovereignty] in their own and not in others’ hands. These views are
ultimately not reconcilable. But it is a profound lack of social and moral understanding not to recognise the
absolute claims for [sc. of] each of these types of liberty as being among ‘the deepest interests of mankind’.
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As in the case of words which everyone is in favour of, ‘freedom’ has a very great many senses – some of
the world’s worst tyrannies have been undertaken in the name of freedom. Nevertheless, I should say that the
word probably has two central senses, at any rate in the West. One is the familiar liberal sense in which
freedom means that every man has a life to live and should be given the fullest opportunity of doing so, and
that there are only two adequate reasons for controlling men. The first is that there are other goods besides
freedom, such as, for example, security or peace or culture, or other things which human beings need, which
must be given them, apart from the question of whether they want them or not. Secondly, if one man obtains
too much, he will deprive other people of their freedom – freedom for the pike means death to the carp – and
this is a perfectly adequate reason for curtailing freedom. Still, curtailing freedom isn’t the same as freedom.
The second sense of the word is not so much a matter of allowing people to do what they want as the idea
that I want to be governed by myself and not pushed around by other people; and this idea leads one to the
supposition that to be free means to be self-governing. To be self-governing means that the source of authority
must lie in me – or in us, if we’re talking about a community. And if the source of freedom lies in me, then
it’s comparatively unimportant how much control there is, provided the control is exercised by myself, or my
representatives, or my nation, my people, my tribe, my Church, and so forth. Provided that I am governed by
people who are sympathetic to me, or understand my interests, I don’t mind how much of my life is pried
into, or whether there is a private province which is divided from the public province; and in some modern
States – for example the Soviet Union and other States with totalitarian governments – this second view
seems to be taken.