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Moderator: Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to the Acrysil Limited Q4 & FY2020 Earnings
Conference Call. This conference call may contain forward-looking statements about the
company, which are based on the beliefs, opinions and expectations of the company as on the
date of this call. These statements are not the guarantees of future performance and involved risks
and uncertainties that are difficult to predict. As a reminder all participant lines will be in the
listen-only mode and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation
concludes. Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by
pressing “*”then “0” on your touchtone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded.
I now hand the conference over to Mr. Chirag Parekh, Chairman and Managing Director from
Acrysil Limited. Thank you and over to you Sir!
Chirag Parekh: Thank you. Good afternoon everyone, a very warm welcome to the Q4 & FY2020 earnings call
of Acrysil Limited. Along with me on this call I have Mr. Anand Sharma, CFO and SGA, our
Investor Relations Advisor. I hope that all of you and your loved ones are safe. These are
extraordinary and unprecedented times where the most important thing is to ensure that we are
safe and so is our family.
Coming to the company’s performance, the results and investor presentation are uploaded on the
stock exchange and on the company website. I hope everybody has had a chance to look at it.
The Board of Directors of the company has recommended a dividend of Rs.1.2/- 60% per equity
share of face value of Rs.2/- each for the financial year ending March 31, 2020 subject to the
approval of shareholders. Recently we have incorporated our wholly owned subsidiary Acrysil
USA INC on April 30, 2020. We are expanding our presence in USA through the subsidiary to
penetrate deeper into the markets by building a network across America. The company would be
dealing in kitchen products, bath products and tiles. We have also appointed a sale representative
Kenya Brapham for the US market. He would be looking after existing customers and develop
new customers for larger market penetration, in America which is approximately 30% of our
global market share. Also name of our UK based wholly owned subsidiary Homestyle Products
Limited has been changed to Acrysil Products Limited to integrate with the company name.
Company reported good performance for FY2019-2020, registered a topline growth of 10%
approximately despite a challenging economy. Company reported highest ever profit before tax
of Rs.23 Crores for the financial year 2019-2020. The growth is driven by contributions from all
products under the basket in our core product Quartz Sink. Export revenue grew by 14.5% for
FY2020. Domestic revenue remains more or less stable with a marginal dip of 1.5%. The
domestic economy witnessed slowdown in the entire financial year, which was further impacted
due to COVID-19 in the last quarter FY2020; however, we expect demand improve when the
situation normalizes. Demand of our product in export market are adequate and encouraging.
During the year we introduced new products, took new initiatives to further strengthened Carysil
and Sternhagen brands. So this COVID-19 pandemic outbreak, which has hit almost all the
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countries and industries across the world has resulted in disruptions in terms of labour issues,
concerns on health, safety, management on the shop floor and also supply chain disruption etc.
The world will have to adjust with a new normal of working and so do we. During these
challenging and unprecedented times decisive measures have been implemented by the company
to protect the health and safety of all our stakeholders including employees, their families,
suppliers. The company is following all the guidelines issued by the local regulatory authority for
compliance with norms for the factories.
In the presentation, we have shared some pictures, video clips on company’s preparedness on the
manufacturing plant for smooth function. Just to give you quick update on the business
operations in the COVID-19 period. Our plant was shut from March 24, 2020 to April 13, 2020.
From April 14, 2020, we partially started manufacturing operations to meet export order
backlogs. Currently we are operating in three shifts with capacity utilization of approximately
80%. We are taking all the necessary and preventive measures like social distancing, temperature
testing, providing masks, and sanitization facility to all workers, etc. Due to lockdown many
workers have migrated and many companies are facing this labour challenge, but fortunately
most of our labourers are from local villages so we are not facing any labour supply issues.
Coming to the industry, industry is facing unprecedented time to adjust its operations and
functioning to the new normal. Social distancing, employee safety has taken precedence over
productivity and work efficiency. Customers are more focused on health and safety and
postponing the discretionary purchases. However, since we are in home improvement category
not expected to be much affected by this change in consumer behavior as most of the people in
current pandemic situation staying at home and hence home improvement will precede over other
purchases.
Coming to demand, we have sufficient export order book to scale up capacity utilization and
with the normalization of domestic market in the coming quarters, we expect to return a growth
trajectory. We are maintaining sufficient stock of raw materials and other input materials to meet
production requirements. We have not observed any major supply chain issues during these
challenging times except some small hiccups. We believe that company has enough resources
and liquidity to scale up operations and service all debts as and when due. So just to conclude,
the Company is focusing on sustained business growth and manage the capital with prudence that
current volatility calls for. We are taking all the necessary measures in order to keep our business
running without interruption while still protecting the health and safety of all our stakeholders.
We as a company have contributed Rs. 20 lakhs towards PM Care Fund for fight against
COVID-19. This is a small gesture to all the COVID warriors out there and fighting the situation
to protect us. Now I would like to hand over the line to Mr. Anand Sharma, CFO of the company
to update you on financial performance of the company.
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Anand Sharma: Thank you Sir. Good afternoon everyone. Let me take you through the financial performance of
the company. Q4 FY2020 performance, the consolidated revenue stood at Rs.64 Crores for Q4
FY2020 as against Rs.65 Crores in Q4 FY2019, minor dip was on the back of COVID-19
pandemic, which impacted the domestic revenue in the month of March 2020. EBITDA of the
company stood at Rs.9.6 Crores in Q4 FY2020 as against Rs.9.1 Crores of Q4 FY2019 recording
a growth of 6%. EBITDA margin grew by 110 bps. Margin for the quarter stood at 15% as
against 13.9% in Q4 FY2019. Profit after tax stood at Rs.4.5 Crores in Q4 FY2020 as against
Rs.4.2 Crores of Q4 FY2019, Cash profit after tax for Q4 FY2020 stood at Rs.8 Crores as against
Rs.6.5 Crores of Q4 FY2019, a growth of 23%.
Now FY2020 performance, the consolidated revenue stood at Rs.276 Crores for FY2020 as
against Rs.252 Crores in FY2019 recording a growth of 9.8% year-on-year. We have achieved
EBITDA of Rs.46.4 Crores for FY2020 as against Rs.40.4 Crores for FY2019, a growth of 15%.
The EBITDA margin increased to 16.8% from 16.1% an improvement of 70 bps. Profit after tax
and minority interest for FY2020 stood at Rs.22.1 Crores as against Rs.17.2 Crores for FY2019
recording a growth of 28%. Cash Profit after tax stood at Rs.34 Crores as against Rs.25.9 Crores
recording a growth of 31%. Our net debt to equity stands at 0.58 times, our return on capital
employed stood at 16.2% as of March 31, 2020. Our return on equity stands at 13.8% as of
March 31, 2020. Now we will open the call for questions.
Moderator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin with the question and answer session. The
first question is from the line of Ashish Kacholia from Lucky Investments. Please go ahead.
Ashish Kacholia: My questions is basically if you can talk a little bit about your strategy in each of your major
markets and what kind of growth we are looking for in each of our major markets?
Chirag Parekh: As we have seen that India would probably take some more time for coming out of the pandemic.
Our company’s strategy is to focus more on export market. In the export market I think one
indication already done that US market is going to be one of our major focus and then it is going
to be UK and EU. US is where we have set up an office there and we have set up a sales rep so
that we want to penetrate that market better. We are already into a process of instances of good
deals in the US market. Second, we feel that the UK and Europe will be coming out of the
pandemic very soon. France and UK have already opened, Germany is quite strong and these
already see a good flow of orders, so the company plans to focus on the US and for the UK and
the EU markets at least in the next coming quarters.
Ashish Kacholia: What were the sales in each of these markets and what is the kind of growth that you are looking
for if you can give any indication on that?
Chirag Parekh: US is 30% of our market, UK is 20%, Europe is 30%. It is very hard to say that what growth
could be achieved, however company taking all the efforts and initiatives to try to have a good
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growth in each of these countries and as far as the strategy is concerned we see an opportunity
right now for India, so I think it is a good time for Acrysil to create some opportunities and I
think there is a potential for the company to show some good growth even with the pandemic
going on at this point.
Moderator: Thank you. The next question is from the line of Dixit Doshi from White Stone Financial
Advisors. Please go ahead.
Dixit Doshi: Can you just mention how much was the contribution from GROHE this year and how do you
see it going forward?
Chirag Parekh: As far as GROHE is concerned the good thing is that GROHE has surpassed the first year
expectation of the company. GROHE is already launched in more than 25 countries with our
products and as soon as the GROHE is about to take off even further the pandemic came into
picture. But we do feel that GROHE is going to play important part of the company not for the
last year or this year, but also for the coming years.
Moderator: Thank you. The next question is from the line of Viraj Mehta from Equirus PMS. Please go
ahead
Moderator: Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ravi Naredi from Naredi Investment. Please go
ahead.
Ravi Naredi: Can you tell what is the turnover of Quartz and net profit from Quartz?
Anand Sharma: We do not give segment wise profitability, but we can give you the turnover of the Quartz, which
is Rs.180 Crores.
Ravi Naredi: I am a shareholder of this company since last many years and reading about the brands, but want
to understand that these brands are not able to grow, so can you throw light on the long-term plan
of our company, for the next five years?
Chirag Parekh: I think our vision is very clear for India, Carysil to be one of the most home dominant brands that
is why we have one in all categories comprising of sinks and built-in appliances so that it is one
stop solution. Unfortunately last year our sales had been stagnant in India, but we see very good
market both for the granite sinks and for the built-in appliances segment, which is a new segment
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for us to follow in the future. The company will be focusing on to build the brand and to build
distribution channels across India. Our plan in the next three years is that we want to expand our
reach across India. On the export side, we are already exporting to more than 50 countries around
the world and we plan to cross about 75 to 80 countries in the next five years. Our focus in the
next five years will be on the emerging market not necessarily economies where we see the
market for our products. Our prime focus for the next five years would be for the US, UK and
European market. Our strategy is to boost sales in the global market by tie up with large retail
stores across the world to ramp up our growth.
Moderator: Thank you. The next question is from the line of Poonam Sanghavi from Progressive Shares.
Please go ahead.
Poonam Sanghavi: Pardon me if I am repetitive actually because of the call drop in between. Basically what I have
understood from one of the initial questions is the 75% of the revenue that is coming from the
Quartz Sink and you are of a view that you have got enough of export orders in hand. With this
capability and sufficient stocking that you have indicated, but giving it a little longer view do you
think that 15% Y-o-Y growth that you have clocked for FY2020 looks doable going forward as
well that? Secondly, the other smaller component, which is your domestic part, which obviously
has been hit by the pandemic, which has indicated 15% drop that you have seen in the numbers
for Q4 FY20, over there how do you see the movement going forward. I am talking from a
layman’s perspective do you think people are going to let any and everyone come into their
house and get the kind of mending or the kind of changes that are needed in this chaotic
environment?
Chirag Parekh: I will just answer your first question. I think the export growth for the current year is possible as
we are focusing and as we have tied up with some large retailers across the world. Few of them
we have already tied up with in the last year, and few of them are already in the process to be tied
up. One thing that has changed in the sales dynamics was we observed that almost 40% of our
distributors sales in Europe and US is converted into online sales. We observe that whatever
orders we are seeing is actual orders customer ordering and it is not for anybody trying to stock,
We have definitely seen and we have stated in our statement of the home improvement sector in
America especially the Europe numbers will come, but approximately 7% to 8% of the growth in
home improvement stores have shown in America and expecting the same for Europe so we call
it as V-curve or bounce back so we think the bounce back in US and Europe will come and hence
we see an opportunity for the company. We stand a chance and can post a growth in export too
because of our good prices and quality and our aggressive marketing efforts. Obviously at the
same time we do not know what is going to happen as if a second wave is going to come what is
going to happen, but we just keep our fingers crossed and just try to focus on these efforts right
now. Number two in India I think the dip in Q4 FY20 was already due to the market sentiments.
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I think that is why we have a dip when people are getting more cautious and I think it is not only
in our company I think it is from across all the categories inside the country. The Company
perceives that kitchen sink is a product, which a person cannot do without it, chimney is a
product a person cannot do without it, and it a product sitting at home where most of the
entertaining and most of the time he is going to spend at home. There is a survey done in the
Western side that people are going to spend their money inside homes because they want to
spend more time at home and it could be appliances to electronic gadgets. So that is why we feel
that phenomena which is happening outside India this should happen in India too. We have
already seen some good orders from India, the markets in South are opening up, people have
started buying products for home especially kitchen sinks because that is where the hygiene is
required where you cook all the food and wash all the food. With all this pandemic and
sentiments of hygiene going on kitchen sink is the first thing you would like to change. Chimney
is something you like to put it in your kitchen and keep your air clean inside it. I think the
western culture should ideally come in India but the only problem we are seeing in India is
whether a second lockdown may come or not as the cases are on a rise., We do not know that
whether the markets will be closed again so I think that is the only grey area whether the markets
would be opened on.
Poonam Sanghavi: Okay fair enough. I would just have one question from the financial for Q4 that is if the other
income which is actually if you see taken the calculation if I am just trying to get that other
income out I am going to be reporting a drop of about 32% so can I get a clarity on what exactly
is this other income component because it seems to be a little repetitive as of December 2019
quarter as well and now seen in March 2020 as well. If I can just get a little bit of clarity on that?
Anand Sharma: Other income is exchange gain what we got. Because of the accounting standard we have to
show the exchange gain in other income, but it is not actually other income it is part of sales.
Moderator: Thank you. The next question is from the line of Parimal Mithani from Credential Investments.
Please go ahead.
Parimal Mithani: I have two questions. I would like to know how have your receivables been since the lockdown
from your global supplier to the global clients of yours? Second thing what is the net debt from
the company’s balance sheet?
Chirag Parekh: We do not have any problems with respect to receivables from our global customer side. We
have all the receivables intact and so we do not have to worry about it.
Parimal Mithani: What is the net debt from the company balance sheet Sir?
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Moderator: Thank you. The next question is from the line of Riddhima Chandak from Roha Asset Managers.
Please go ahead.
Riddhima Chandak: Sir my question is regarding the branded and non-branded sales. Could you tell me that out of the
total portfolio how much is branded and non-branded?
Chirag Parekh: In India it is completely 100% branded, for the export sales about 80% is non-branded and 20%
is branded.
Riddhima Chandak: How has been the raw material pricing in the past three months and what would it be going
forward?
Chirag Parekh: We have two major raw materials, which is Quartz and Acrylics. So Quartz has been stable as we
do not see rise or any inflation in the prices neither we do see decrease. But on the MMA side
and acrylics side the prices have dropped approximately by 10% to 15%, due to lower market
demand which is half the actual demand and which should probably help the company’s
profitability in the coming quarters.
Riddhima Chandak: Okay so does that means margin will marginally increase in the coming quarters?
Chirag Parekh: So I would say on the gross margins side there would be some improvement.
Riddhima Chandak: In the domestic market how much our products are going to their renovation side and how much
is in the new premium projects that is directed to the dealers overall in the domestic market?
Chirag Parekh: There is unfortunately no market data, but whatever the information we have is that in India
approximately 60% to 70% goes for new homes and about 30% goes for renovation. Now we
see this change could move to 50 or even 60:40 ratio with this pandemic. As people are going to
do more renovation than buying new homes so this can change like in the global market will be
80% renovation versus 20% in new homes, this phenomena could change in India.
Riddhima Chandak: 20% from new home trend and 80% is from renovation side?
Chirag Parekh: Yes that is for the exports market because people do renovation. India has obviously new homes
and buildings, projects and all going on however, the real estate market we all know is in a bad
shape, people would like to conserve cash at this time, so they will not buy home, but try to
renovate their existing homes that is why I see that changing now to 50:50 or 60:40.
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Moderator: Thank you. The next question is from the line of Divesh Mehta. Please go ahead.
Divesh Mehta: Actually I am tracking this company for the last six to seven years now and I have seen that this
company has always done a steady capex in terms of capacity since last six years so our capacity
was at around 2,50,000, 2,75,000 and we reach to at around 5 lakh units, so I am saying in terms
of Quartz, so I just wanted to understand one thing that going forward since we are looking for a
medium term target of around Rs.300 Crores in topline, Rs.500 Crores in the long-term so how
do we see a roadmap for the sales, so are we looking for any appreciation in the global market
like what we did with Sternhagen since we have Rs.20 Crores cash in our books or do we have
any roadmap by increasing the capacity next three years again?
Chirag Parekh: While the company is quite interested in focusing on the export markets, but at the same time
company is quite watchful about the situation and how it is going to turn out with the pandemic
in India and abroad. So I think at this moment of time we would like to keep our eyes and ears
open and try to see what opportunities do we have without any major risks inside the company.
The reserves what we have are there and I think this is going to increase by end of this financial
year too. Like I said that we are seeing opportunities in the export market as well as the company
will continue to focus and try to maximize the market share at the same time by being active in
this pandemic and I am sure there could be many opportunities for us. Any opportunities on
acquiring business could possibly be post pandemic so we are very watchful and keeping eyes
and ears open and will see what opportunities come in and if we feel that it is aligning with our
thought process and our growth strategy we would probably have a look at it.
Divesh Mehta: But Sir with the existing plant capacity what we have at Bhavnagar, do we have any space to
increase the capacity for more than 5 lakh units over there?
Chirag Parekh: So we have a good land bank in hand. We have enough land to increase capacity by another
2,00000 sinks. So we even have lank bank, resources and capital to scale up capacity growth to
7,00,000 sinks.
Moderator: Thank you. We will move on to the next question that is from the line of Rajat Chandak from
ICICI Prudential AMC. Please go ahead.
Rajat Chandak: Sir I wanted to understand what kind of capex we are looking at this year and next year? Since
last one and two to three years it has constantly been from Rs.18 Crores to Rs.20 Crores in that
range kind of capex, so any guidance from the capex front?
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Chirag Parekh: Like I said we have been watchful of things, but if things go as planned we will be doing about
Rs.10 Crores capex for the current year and for the next year we will see by end of this calendar
year how the situation turns out to be. I think we would be able to make a call by end of calendar
year for the next year.
Rajat Chandak: So you are saying that capex this year would half from Rs.19-odd Crores to Rs.10 odd Crores?
Rajat Chandak: Sir that in terms of free cash generation, I was just seeing our cash flow for this year, we have
generated of about Rs.2 odd crores of free cash that is net cash from operating minus capex and
minus interest those are the three parts. But in last three or four years put together in fiscal 2019,
2018 and 2017 we have not been generating free cash so any thoughts on the same? How do you
think about that?
Chirag Parekh: You are right, but if you see the improvement and Anand will tell you in last two to three
quarters only we have a quite a bit of free cash generation which was not there in the previous
year. You are right but Company had taken a lot of initiatives like new programs or products, we
had some stock in hand, we had some new export client which had the largest credit period which
extended our geographies across India and for that client we had to give some more credit period
so I think these are the few reasons. Plus our operating margins which have now improved. So I
think our cash generation, you will see in the coming quarters, it will improve from last year. We
have quite a bit of stock liquidations and we expect to improve in terms of operating margins.
Anand can you brief him about the last quarter what we have observed.
Anand Sharma: Yes what has happened in last few years and what has happened in last financial year was
basically we were in expansion mode so we did a lot of capex and invested in the UK subsidiary.
There was also repayment going on, last two to three years were the consolidation year for us to
match whatever capex we are doing with the revenue and generation of the cash. This is a cycle
which we completed in last two to three years and now we are at a stage where we can scale up
the production without doing much capex. So we have reached to that capacity and going
forward you see much free cash generation in the company. Free cash generation happening
because we completed our first cycle of the upgradation and the enhancement on our capacity
expansion.
Questionnaire: Just to understand we shared our capacities and how they have expanded and an earlier
gentleman also asked about that how we have grown so we have now at 5,00,000 units kind of
capacity right now for Quartz, what volumes we would have sold in fiscal 2020 year ended?
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Anand Sharma: The total quantity sold last financial year 2019 was 4,32,000 units and current year 4,87,000. So
that is a volume growth of 13%.. Only for quartz sink then last year it was 3,45,000 units and for
FY20 it is 3,78,000 units, so 9% growth in volume terms.
Rajat Chandak: Just to understand in terms of capacity utilization right when you say presently we have 5,00,000
kind of a capacity for Quartz Sinks that is actual achievable or it is like achievable is only
probably 90% of it?
Chirag Parekh: Right now we are doing at 80%., With the 80% of our export market. So 5,00,000 sinks we
would be completing that in a next few months’ time. Since we are in a phase of expansion right
now, we are at 4,50,000 sinks capacity at this point out of which we are 80% utilizing.
Rajat Chandak: Yes but when you say this 4,50,000 that is actually producible right now or it is not that it is the
rated capacity and production will be lower than that, that is not the case?
Moderator: Thank you. The next question is from the line of Prateek Poddar from Nippon India Mutual
Fund. Please go ahead.
Prateek Poddar: Sir I joined a bit late, could you just tell us your thoughts on domestic business and within
domestic business which segments are now lower than company average margins, for example if
appliances still below company level margins and how do you see the path to profitability or
increased profitability for your domestic side of the business?
Chirag Parekh: I think for the domestic side of the business I think volume is the answer. I think our granite sink
business is doing quite well, on the appliances and gross margin side also we are quite good and
demand is the only thing now which we would turnaround the domestic profitability.
Prateek Poddar: Sir what is the differential of margins between say your sinks versus appliances versus bath
fittings if I were to understand, I am assuming sinks would be the most profitable for you and
how much is the difference between appliances and bath fittings today?
Chirag Parekh: I would say on that strictly on the gross margin side our bathroom business gross margin was the
highest, later on my CFO can send you details. But as far as our bathroom gross margins are they
are followed by appliances then by sinks. Bath products and the appliances are the more lifestyle
products and they are lower in sales and we need to have our gross margins higher and
fortunately in the sinks we have good gross margin but as high as the appliances and but in the
Sink products there the volume is 80% of our sales. In our five year plan which we have said of
Rs.500 Crores, we are looking at the bathroom products and the appliances not just for India but
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for export market and also so we are looking for a good large order. I think it is all volume
game which we are expecting to come this year and next year. Unfortunately now this pandemic
has just spoiled the party but now we will have to be a little bit patient and see.
Prateek Poddar: But in terms of capability Sir in the earlier question you talked about you were in the building
phase and so has all the building blocks has that been built up and now it is all about scaling up
or do you need to build more capability?
Chirag Parekh: I think in terms of whatever initiatives we have taken like product initiative, growth initiative and
strategy initiative all are in place, and we just need to scale up now. .
Prateek Poddar: So in terms of dealer addition as well as human capital or capabilities all that is in place, all your
waiting now is for the demand to come back and then grow?
Chirag Parekh: Correct, so now waiting is also another big question. How many days or months can anybody
wait. India is going through may be a bad phase so what will be the growth story in India versus
what is there. So our company has taken some very immediate steps and we are trying to develop
products in the stainless steel sinks and the chimneys. We are trying to quickly develop products
in chimneys and the stainless steel sinks for the export market so that is one thing. Number two is
as for the bathroom products Sternhagen brand our company plans to launch the Sternhagen
brand in America in Q2 FY21 so as to scale up. As the company believes in growth and we just
cannot sit and wait for the Indian market to improve, we need to do something. So these are the
initiatives company has taken to spur growth in the export market. So there are some
manufacturing capabilities which we have to improve, which we are going to take about 30 -40
days time to improve to match the product demand for the export market but we have to do, we
really do not have a choice.
Prateek Poddar: For your margin guidance, from a medium term perspective would it be higher than what we
have reported today because as you build scale and I am assuming incremental growth further
comes from appliances and bath fittings which have a higher gross margin, so would it be fair to
say that the EBITDA margins would move directionally upwards only?
Chirag Parekh: You see there is no doubt. If we are going to have incremental growth the margins will improve.
There is no doubt on it but question for the current year and next year is that how much is the
growth going to come, from where it is going to come. That is the question but if the incremental
growth comes then as what we have been planning if things normalize yes there will be
improvement in the margins.
Prateek Poddar: Sir as you said your capex for the next year is Rs.10 Crores and incrementally going forward I
am assuming the intensity would be lower, so is it fair to say that you would deleverage your
balance sheet now and, would you start repaying debt?
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Chirag Parekh: I would not say that moving forward we will reduce our capex but I think the company will have
good cash flows and will to try to not just maintain but try to even lower its current debt.
Moderator: Thank you. The next question is from the line of Manish Dhariwal from Fiduciary Capital
Advisors. Please go ahead.
Manish Dhariwal: Good afternoon. Thank you for the opportunity. I would like to know if you throw some light on
the working capital position of the company given the pandemic and given this thing what is the
impact that you are facing on the inventory and on the receivable side?
Anand Sharma: I think on the receivable side, the only challenge what the company has is that we are trying to
maintain our current credit period level with our customers though with the current scenario the
customer is asking for more credit period but fortunately, we have been able to stay in the same
credit period. We will stick to the same credit period moving forward too. . On the inventory side
we see a reduction in inventory like which we had shared in the previous year. We as a company
were in a growth phase. We invested a lot of capex and we have taken a lot of initiatives, we
have built stock so we looking at what the current level is, we see a good improvement as far as
the inventory and we see no issue with the receivables at this point of time.
Manish Dhariwal: Thank you. Do we assume that the inventory levels which were at Rs.60 odd Crores in March
2020, would they be going down?
Anand Sharma: Yes that would be definitely going down. We only have the inventory as far as Indian market is
concerned but on the export side we definitely see the inventory moving down, because we have
also cut down on the number of SKUs too. Let us see now how India turns out so we will have
see what happens quarter on quarter on it, because we have built appliances stocks for the Indian
market and also stocked some of the models of sink which we are specifically for regular market
so it is very difficult for us to sell those products into other countries. We will have to now wait
and see what happens in India.
Manish Dhariwal: Okay but we do not have any issues of dead or slow moving stock which might take time to
liquidate?
Anand Sharma: We do not have any issue of dead stock or something like that.
Moderator: Thank you. The next question is from the line of Keshav Garg from Counter Cyclical
Investments. Please go ahead.
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Keshav Garg: Sir I wanted to understand that as the things stand today, in FY2021 will you be able to achieve
the topline and bottomline that we did in FY2020?
Chirag Parekh: Well, if the things continued to be as what we wish to continue, I think where will be work and if
unfortunately things do not go as you wish right so I think we are in a very uncertain situation
and especially for the company CEOs to answer. I think it is very tough to say and I think what
the job in hand for us is right now to try to focus on export market and try to see opportunities
where the growth comes from. I think that is what we want to say and that is what we want to do.
Keshav Garg: Also like your presentation says that there are four global Quartz sink manufacturers and you are
one of them, so are the rest of the three present in India?
Chirag Parekh: No. We are the only one in Asia whereas the other three are placed in Europe.
Keshav Garg: No Sir. I am trying to understand do they else sells in India or you a monopoly seller of Quartz
sinks in India?
Chirag Parekh: They sell very little quantity, but I think we have a 99% market share.
Keshav Garg: That is great. Also Sir with respect to your American operations, I hope in the near term we do
not see a hit from there I mean in terms of losses?
Chirag Parekh: No U.S. is already contributing 30% of the company’s revenue. The only thing we are putting up
is we are not invested like heavily into this. We just have a person and some smaller
representative office there because we would see that there are some growth opportunities over
there so I think the sales will improve there. So these expenses would be negligible as compared
to what the growth we expect in the U.S.
Keshav Garg: Sir lastly in the first quarter, are we breaking even at the operating and net profit level?
Moderator: Thank you. The next question is from the line of Kartik Bhatt from an Individual Investor. Please
go ahead.
Kartik Bhatt: Thanks for the opportunity. You mentioned that exports will be a major focus area this year and
alluding to the previous question, there are three other companies globally who are in too in
Quartz sink base. So, I just wanted to understand how big are the other three players and where
are they based out of. I mean in UK, U.S. and how big are they in terms of capacities?
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Chirag Parekh: Approximately Schock Technology is about 3.5 million sinks, where we do about approximately
0.5 million, rest three are doing million plus from whatever information and data what we have.
They are based out of Europe..
Kartik Bhatt: The other small question I had is I see a small increase in the employee expense in Q4 FY20, so
is anything of significant over there?
Moderator: Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ravi Naredi from Naredi Investments. Please go
ahead.
Ravi Naredi: Thank you once again for the opportunity. You told in some previous question about for export
80% is non-branded and we are not interested to come out as the brand in foreign country? Can
you elaborate on that.
Chirag Parekh: So, we are putting in all the efforts to make our brand prominent in the global market and that is
why the American operation has been done is to launch our Sternhagen brand in the U.S. market.
Unfortunately, we are not $10 billion company that our brand is in place like Samsung or any
other big brand so we have to bridge partnerships with the brand business in all the different
countries and we increase and maximize our market share and we need to build strategic
alliances with the big companies over there as they are brands already very popular in those
markets, if you want to build a brand, you will have a negative profits in the company. But the
company endeavor is to year by year increase their branded business.
Ravi Naredi: Sir how much is our advertisement expenses on annual basis?
Chirag Parekh: Our total sales expenses are less than 10% sort of revenue. I am talking about all sales expenses
like marketing, advertisement including sales promotion and travelling etc.
Moderator: Thank you. The next question is from the line of Prateek Poddar from Nippon India Mutual
Fund. Please go ahead.
Prateek Poddar: Sorry just coming back to this question of free cash flow and debt. Look if you think about your
capacity utilization it is not at 100% and versus last three to four years your cash generation
capability from the company has gone up substantially in my view around 2x to 3x because of
the way PAT has grown right, so today you would have a very big scale versus earlier in terms of
capex so what I am trying to get to is if you have 3x asset turn and if you were to spend say Rs.20
Crores of capex that would give you Rs.60 Crores of topline in a period of two to three years so
then Sir somewhere you would need to consolidate right?
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Chirag Parekh: We will see as I think it is all about demand in the market and demand the company has what is
very important. We need to see that the return on capital employed needs to increase and
maximize so that we can still continue our expansion but we can reduce our debt levels.
Chirag Parekh: I am saying we see ample internal cash accruals of the company improving at year-on-year so we
definitely see a debt consolidation that is what I am trying to say.
Anand Sharma: Just to add to this see we have set our goals, short-term, mid-term and long-term. For the short
term goal of Rs.300 Crores we build the capacity, we consolidated and made it possible and we
are very close to Rs.300 Crores so first phase of the consolidation value on date and the capex
done. Now whatever capacity building and ecosystem will be required, for the scale up of
another milestone of Rs.500 Crores, whatever required to be done we will do for further stage of
growth.
Prateek Poddar: Last time you had raised some money via QIP, so will you again dilute your equity and do you
believe you need to dilute your equity for incremental so that self sufficiency scale has been
reached now?
Chirag Parekh: It’s not QIP, it is preferential allotments to promoters and hence no dilution.
Prateek Poddar: Just one last question would you believe there could be some pent up demand in second half of
this year or this year would be slightly on the lower side when it comes to revenue , how are you
seeing May and June I do not know if that question was asked, but any insights on that?
Chirag Parekh: See western countries Australia and New Zealand has already showed now V curve at this point
of time. Hence we have a bunch of export orders, otherwise the company would no way be
working at such scale, I think very few companies right now would be working at 80% capacity.
No company would work at 80% capacity if some demand is not there. So V curves or bounce
back happening and we have seen in the U.S., UK, opening in France, Germany, Australia, New
Zealand and China, more than 25 countries have shown some movement. So as of now the
company has orders for the next two months and we see at least on the export side it is going to
be very segmental, it will be coming from few pockets from the world, it is not every pocket of
the world is going to show a growth but we do see that the companies will come out of the
pandemic and shall open. Now, so we are seeing the demand coming from there. As far as India
is concerned we have just begin, we are far to reach on the top and far to still turn out. So for
India one good thing is that whichever markets have opened like south has opened up, few
markets into east, we have seen growth also coming and orders are also flowing in from there.
Prateek Poddar: Okay but in terms of recovery is it fair to say exports will recover faster than domestic?
Chirag Parekh: Yes that is what we assume and I think that is what indicators are showing us.
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Moderator: Thank you. The next question is from the line of Keshav Garg from Counter Cyclical
Investments. Please go ahead.
Keshav Garg: Sir I wanted to understand your export margins are higher or domestic margins?
Chirag Parekh: In terms of net margins, export margins are higher and in terms of the gross margins both are
same.
Keshav Garg: Sir you said that in domestic we are a 100% branded and in export we are basically B2B, so still
you are saying that export margins are higher so can you explain the reason for that ?
Chirag Parekh: As forex right now is playing a big role for us.
Keshav Garg: Also I wanted to understand that what has been the realization growth in Quartz sink for last year
as well as for last five year approximately?
Keshav Garg: Sir the realization growth, price per piece can you tell that say roughly?
Chirag Parekh: Price per piece, the realization per piece is approximately Rs.4,800 to Rs.5,000 for export market
and for our domestic it would be about Rs.3,800.
Keshav Garg: How much was the realization approximately for quartz say five year back or last year?
Keshav Garg: Since we are monopoly Quartz sink seller in India, is there are any room for us to increase the
prices because it is a premium product and since we are the monopoly player so is there any
scope for increase in pricing?
Chirag Parekh: That is based on opportunity and the demand, so we will see how India shapes up and turns out to
be and I think we will make a call then. Right now it is too early to say with this pandemic going
on, markets still not opening I do not think it is good time to think about a price increase at this
time.
Keshav Garg: Sir, are we planning to become a contract manufacturer in the domestic market also let us say for
Jaguar and for other branded bathrooms and kitchen players?
Chirag Parekh: As of now it is not into the company’s philosophy too bid for others but we will see in future if
something comes up.
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Moderator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen that is the last question I now hand the conference over to
Chirag Parekh for his closing comments.
Chirag Parekh: Thank you. We are happy with our performance led by greater emphasis of the team Acrysil
raising bar in these testing time and achieve highest operational efficiencies. We are continuously
focusing on growth drivers and expecting improvements in macroeconomic factors to entail,
enhance momentum in the business. We are committed to create value for our stakeholders. We
are thankful to all the investors, participants for joining on this concall. Goodbye and stay safe .
Have a good day. Thank you.
Moderator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of Acrysil Limited that concludes this conference
call. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines.
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