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The PIDE (Enhanced PID) is an Allen

Bradley Logix5000 family (ControlLogix,
PLC Programming
CompactLogix, FlexLogix, SoftLogix) function block that improves on the standard
Handbooks
Allen Bradley PID found in all
their controllers.  First impressions of this function block are
Siemens quite intimidating.  If you try to dive into it head first you may just end up
Modicon banging your head against a wall.  Many will be quite happy to stick with the
tried and true PID instruction but to compete with the more advanced process

control applications the PIDE boasts the following.

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Built in autotuner (requires extra key)
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More limiting and fault handling selections.

Still interested?  What we want to do here is basically get you off the ground
with the PIDE, distill all the options to the essentials and get it working.

The PIDE is only available as a function block (sorry, no ladder).  Like the PID
instruction it is best to set it up in its own periodic task.  The period of the task

automatically becomes the sample rate (DeltaT) of the PID loop.  Just make
Navigation sure when adding the new routine to the task to select the Type as "Function
Book reviews Block Diagram." 
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Once you plop a function block onto a sheet it automatically creates a

program tag
for the instruction which stores all the settings.  The parameters can be set or
monitored by wiring input and output references or by clicking on the ellipsis box
in the top right corner to reveal the block properties. 

Opening the block properties for the PIDE instruction before RSLogix5000 version
15 meant you would be accosted with a long list of parameters.

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Version 15 has at least organized some of the more common settings (but not all)
under tabs and groups.
 

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The most essential settings are:

Name V15 Description

Location

.PV Must be wired The Process Variable is the reading (temperature,

in from a pressure, flow, etc.) that is to be controlled by the
tag. PID loop.

.PVEUMax EUs/Limit tab The Process Variable Engineering Units Maximum

.PVEUMin in the and Minimum.  The value of PV and SP which
Engineering corresponds to 100 % span of the process variable.
Units Scaling
group

.SPProg Should be The Set Point is the theoretical perfect value of the
.SPOper wired in or process variable.  SPProg is the value to use
set in the when in program mode and SPOper is used when
tag. in operator mode.

.SPHLimit EUs/Limit tab The Set Point High Limit and Set Point Low Limit
.SPLLimit in the SP clamp the maximum and minimum values of the
Limits group set point.  If SPHLimit > PVEUMax or SPLLimit <
PVEUMin then a fault will occur.

.PGain General Proportional gain.  Enter 0 to disable.

Configuration
tab in the
Gains group

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.IGain General Integral gain.  Enter 0 to disable.

Configuration
tab in the
Gains group

.DGain General Derivative gain.  Enter 0 to disable.

Configuration
tab in the
Gains group

Program/Operator Control

The first thing to understand when programming a PIDE block is the different
controls and modes available. 

The Program/Operator control lets you transfer control of the PID loop between
the user program and an operator interface such as an HMI.  Each control has
separate set points and mode controls.  It's important to understand that when
in Program
Control the set point is determined by SPProg while in Operator
Control
its SPOper.  The SP output indicates the set point that the
function block
is actually using.

Control is determined by the following inputs:

Name Description

.ProgProgReq A program request to go to Program control.

.ProgOperReq A program request to go to Operator control.

.OperProgReq An operator request to go to Program control.

.OperOperReq An operator request to go to Operator control.

The ProgOper output indicates the control of the PIDE instruction.  If the output
is a 1 then it is in Program control and if the output is a 0 then it is in Operator

control.  The Program request inputs take precedence over the Operator
requests so that the program can lock out any operator overrides.  The
ProgValueReset input clears all input requests.

Operating Modes

The PIDE instruction supports the following modes.

Mode Description

Manual While in Manual mode the instruction does not compute the
change in CV.  The value of CV is determined by the control.
If in Program control, CV = CVProg and if in Operator control,
CV = CVOper.  Select Manual mode using either
OperManualReq or ProgManualReq.  The Manual output bit is
set when in Manual mode.

Auto While in Auto mode the instruction regulates CV to maintain

PV at the
SP value.  If in program control, SP = SPProg and
if in Operator control, SP = SPOper.  Select Auto mode using

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either OperAutoReq or ProgAutoReq. The Auto output bit is

set when in Auto mode.

Cascade/Ratio While in Cascade/Ratio mode the instruction computes the

change in CV.  The instruction regulates CV to maintain PV
at either the SPCascade value or the SPCascade value
multiplied by the Ratio value.  SPCascade comes from either
the CVEU of a primary PID loop for cascade control or from
the "uncontrolled" flow of a ratio-controlled loop.  Select
Cascade/Ratio mode using either OperCasRatReq or
ProgCasRatReq.  The CasRat output bit is set when in
Cascade/Ratio mode.

Override While in Override mode the instruction does not compute the
change in
CV.  CV = CVOverride, regardless of the control

mode.  Override mode is typically used to set a "safe state"
for the PID loop.  Select Override mode using

ProgOverrideReq.  The Override output bit is set when in

Override mode.

Hand While in Hand mode the PID algorithm does not compute the
change in CV.  CV = HandFB, regardless of the control
mode. Hand mode is typically used to indicate that control of
the final control element was taken over by a field hand/auto
station.  Select Hand mode using ProgHandReq.  The Hand
output bit is set when in Hand mode.

If a fault occurs in the PIDE settings then it is forced into Manual mode and sets a
corresponding bit in the Status words.  The InstructFault output is the indicator
of a fault.  For more detail open the block properties and look at the Status at
the bottom of
the dialog box.  Refer to the Logix5000 Controllers Process
Control and Drives Instructions (pub 1756-RM006D-EN-P) for details.

Basic Example

Here's an example where just the essentials are used.  This is a temperature
control application if you hadn't guessed all ready.  I've changed the look of the
function block by going
into the block properties, selecting the Parameters tab
and checking on (or off) the boxes in the Vis column besides the inputs and
outputs that are of concern.

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Here's the run down on each of the inputs.

Input Description

PV The process variable coming in from my TC card

PVEUMax The span of the temperature input that equals 0 to

PVEUMin 100%.  In this case the temp goes from 0 to 1200 degC.

SPHLimit We could limit the set point but in this test case just set it
SPLLimit equal to the PVEUMax/Min.

SPProg I've decided to use Program Control so the Set Point needs
to come in on this input rather then SPOper.

CVProg When in manual mode the CV is controlled by this input.

DependIndepend I prefer the Dependent form of the PID algorithm.

PGain The essential PID settings of Proportion, Integral and

IGain Derivative.
Dgain

ProgProgReq Set the request to use Program Control.

ProgAutoReq Since we're in Program Control these inputs control the

ProgManReq Auto and Manual modes.  To run them off one switch the
BNOT block is used to invert the bit.

Now for the outputs.

Output Description 

CVEU The Control Variable output in engineering units.  Every PID

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control needs an output.  In this case it goes from 0 to

100%.

SP The actual set point which in this case equals SPProg.

ProgOper I want to see a 1 here just to make sure we're in Program

Control

Auto Indicates the operating mode.

Manual

InstructFault If I screw something up then this bit will come on.

Common Problems

No output
The PID loop is in manual mode.  Put it into auto mode
using ProgAutoReq.
Not in program control or SPProg is not set.  Use
ProgProgReq to go into program control and set SPProg.
No values or not enough proportion (PGain) or integral
(IGain).

Output is
The SP High Limit is still set at the default of 100. 
limited at
Change the value of SPHLimit.
100

Conclusion

Hopefully this basic introduction has gotten you off the ground.  Half the battle is
just getting it to work.  Once that is done you can now really start to tinker with
the power of the PIDE function block.

Further Reference

Logix5000 Controllers Process Control and Drives Instructions (Publication

1756-RM006D-EN-P)
Using the PIDE Instruction (Publication LOGIX-WP008A-EN-P - August
2005)
Using a Logix Controller for Barrel Temperature Control on Plastic Injection
Molding and Extruding Machines (Publication RA-AP015A-EN-P €“
February, 2004)

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hiiiiiiii

Submitted by venky on Tue, 2007-01-30 09:33.
very good site which will helped me lot

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Thats Informative,,,,

Submitted by M.A.Mateen (not verified) on Tue, 2008-12-02 04:06.
Thats Informative,,,,

Wow !!!

Submitted by Pramod H (not verified) on Fri, 2008-12-12 17:51.
That's really Excellent information !

Assuming we have an HMI

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 2009-01-19 07:46.
Assuming we have an HMI under the MANUAL mode(from which the operator
enters a value for the CV )...

Please correct me if I'm wrong:
-ProgProg must be ALWAYS true.
-When we want to go in the AUTO mode, that is to say, the program routine
assumes the control of the PIDE and NOT the HMI , then ProgAutoReq=1
-Just the opposite: We want to go in MANUAL mode, then ProgAutoReq=0 and
ProgManReq=1
Is it so easy like this??

PIDE

Submitted by Pradeep Shukla (not verified) on Thu, 2009-02-26 13:12.
For Auto/Manual selection from HMI just latch OperOperReq.

then latch OperAutoReq and unlatch OperManualReq and viceversa.
Unlatch OperOperReq and Latch ProgProgReq for No controll from HMI.

PID-E Manual operation

Submitted by SM (not verified) on Thu, 2009-03-05 09:19.
Currently the PIDE I built in AB compactlogix functions well on Auto.

On manual,(by setting the opermanualreq), how do I change the output
CV or CVEU??
The CVEU stays in the value when I took the PIDE on manual, even when
I try to change it from watch screen.

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Same way how do I change the setpoint on Auto??

Do I have to set some additional booleans or floats to the PIDE to change
output?
I don't have an HMI, but trying to test on the Compactlogix running mode
with watch screen.
I am stuck pl. help.
SM

hi

Submitted by bendrans (not verified) on Fri, 2010-10-15 20:25.
you cannot able to change the cveu since this parameter is linked
with
cv.kindly connect your tag which associated to cv to cvprog

Thank you

Submitted by Golf (not verified) on Tue, 2010-07-06 11:38.
Thanks for knowledge.
:)

How auto-tune compute the PID Gains?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2011-04-19 09:20.
Thank you for this article, this very useful for me.
I want to know how PIDE auto-tune compute the PID Gains?

Can any one help me, thanks a lots

PIDE is too often overkill

Submitted by FilthyMcNasty (not verified) on Thu, 2012-03-08 11:58.
Unfortunately, too many people are using the PIDE instruction where the simple
PID ladder logic based instruction would more than suffice. I have spent
countless hours with engineers and techs that utilized the PIDE instruction but
were too soon over their heads with it. After showing them what the PID would
do, they walked away from the PIDE.

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