Fabrication: 60 Tips in 60 Minutes: Learning Objectives
Fabrication: 60 Tips in 60 Minutes: Learning Objectives
Fabrication: 60 Tips in 60 Minutes: Learning Objectives
Learning Objectives
• Learn practical tips for Fabrication CADmep
• Learn practical tips for Fabrication ESTmep
• Learn practical tips for Fabrication CAMduct
• Learn practical tips for fabrication database management
Description
In 60 minutes, you’ll learn 60 all-new tips and tricks for Fabrication CADmep software, Fabrication
ESTmep software, and Fabrication CAMduct software. No frills or long lectures—just a few
product veterans in a tag-team-style, rapid-fire demonstration. This session will be fast paced, so
we'll have no time for questions, but we’ll gladly follow up with all attendees after Autodesk
University to address any questions.
Speaker(s)
Darren Young is based in Washington state and has been a veteran Autodesk University speaker
for well over a decade. His unique ability to leverage multiple every day technologies in interesting
ways to solve implicated and laborious tasks has been valued by users around the world. Down
to earth and approachable, he's always willing to help his peers anytime of the year even outside
of Autodesk University. Darren's background includes a wide variety of disciplines such as
Construction, Engineering, Manufacturing, LEAN, Information Technology, Computer
Programming, Author and Technical Editor. His lectures and labs are not just a training
opportunity for others but a venue which connects him personally with users helping him learn as
well.
Jubel Beren is the Building Information Modeling (BIM) Technologies Manager at ProCraft
Mechanical Inc., in Broomfield, Colorado. His duties include, but are not limited to, managing the
Autodesk, Inc., Fabrication software products. He maintains the Fabrication database for
CamDuct, CadDuct, and Remote Entry, as well as trains his team on all 3 products. He has been
using AutoDesk Fabrication software for almost 20 years now, and he has trained others on the
software worldwide.
Greg Murphy is currently working at Murphy Company located in St. Louis, MO. Murphy Co. is a
Design Build Mechanical Contractor that performs piping, plumbing and sheet metal. He has over
35yrs of experience in the Mechanical Contracting Industry with extensive experience in
estimating and detailing for Mechanical Piping, Process Piping, Plumbing and Sheet Metal. Greg
has trained Autodesk Fabrication ESTmep as well as other software packages and he has trained
others on the software worldwide. He attended Louisburg Junior College in Louisburg, NC for
computer science and also attended Wake Technical Community College in Raleigh, NC for
mechanical engineering technology.
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Tip #1 (Darren)
CID 2884 (Bullhead Tee) had a bug in Build 2018.0.0. Dimension “I” when set to 90 Degrees
would produce dimension errors. Builds 2017.2.2 and 2018.1.1 do not have this issue.
To work around the issue, you can change the angle to “90.0000001”. The point of this tip isn’t to
focus on this one CID #. Rather, notice how a little creative testing worked around the issue.
When new releases or service packs come out, when you run into errors that crop up like this,
quite often it’s possible to work around them with a little trial and error.
For this tip, don’t focus on the CID, ITM or the version, rather notice how the issue was resolved.
A lot of bugs that creep into the software can be resolved using a little clever poking around and
trial and error.
Tip #2 (Jubel)
You can customize the information that’s displayed in the ITEM tab of the ITEM editor. This
information applies to all ITM’s that have not had their Takeoff Information customized individually.
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Tip #3 (Greg)
(Courtesy of Davis Ronson @ Applied Software)
Ever browse the ITM’s folder from Windows? Notice the POSITION.DAT file? This holds all the
view settings of the folder in the Folders palette (Large Icons vs Small Icons, sort order, etc.). You
can set one folder as you like and copy the POSITION.DAT file from that folder to the others to
make them all the same.
The new part to this Tip (Tip #40 in this class @ AU 2015 shows how to do the same thing with a
Batch File.) is if you use the Windows PowerShell is then you can copy position.dat you want to
all the sub folders at the same time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYfgzwgtEds
Tip #4 (Darren)
Use Apache Open Office Suite’s “Calc” (their version of Excel) to open multiple TXT and CSV
files quickly. You can set the import settings one (as opposed to each file like Excel) and just keep
clicking OK to open them. This makes it easier to open CSV’s without fractions or other codes
getting converted to dates or other data types automatically by Excel.
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Tip #5 (Jubel)
If making an ITM from another ITM, make sure you check/verify the Takeoff Information of the
new ITM. This can’t be scripted and unless you look, you could be carrying over incorrect takeoff
information or custom data on your new ITM that you didn’t anticipate. Unless needed, do not
enable custom takeoff information on a CID.
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Tip #6 (Greg) ESTmep/CAMduct
Ever need to test newly created ITM’s. Takeoff ALL products for an ITM or multiple ITM's with-in
a folder. Hold Shift and Ctrl down at the same time and Right Click. Select Takeoff All Product
Sizes.
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Tip #7 (Darren)
Working with Product List data in ITM content, often the product list is sorted by name. This may
not be sorted based on real sizes and you get 1 x 1 x 1 fittings listed before ½ x ½ x ½. To resolve
this, sort by the Dimensions in the product list to order the names based in a size hierarchy.
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Tip #8 (Jubel)
This is the 3rd year doing the “Fabrication: 60 Tips in 60 Minutes” session. While some past tips
may no longer be relevant, most still apply. You can access the prior 120 Tips here…
2014 Session:
http://au.autodesk.com/au-online/classes-on-demand/class-catalog/classes/year-
2014/fabrication-cadmep/fb6192#chapter=0
2015 Session:
http://au.autodesk.com/au-online/classes-on-demand/class-catalog/classes/year-
2015/fabrication-cadmep/aec10927#chapter=0
Tip #9 (Greg)
When editing a service template, you can copy ITM’s from Other Service Templates however only
one button at a time. If you Switch to the other Service Template, you can copy tabs from another
Service Template then switch back to the Template you want to add them to and paste.
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Tip #13 (Darren)
When in the Folders view, use Ctrl-Shift-Right-Click to Import/Export Product list data in bulk. This
then makes the other product list data tips much more useful.
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http://mepsolutions.trimble.com/CADmep-Integration-Download-File_LP-CADmep-
Download.html
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Tip #16 (Darren)
When setting up Tools in a CAMduct machine, Pierce Size is often misunderstood. This is NOT
the size of the pierce hole you wish to cut. Instead, this defines the maximum size a hole can be
and still create a pierce. Any hole larger than this value is no longer pierced, it’s cut as a hole.
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Tip #18 (Greg)
Select Collection. It will create a category called collection. This will allow you to combine multiple
items together like an assembly.
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To speed up this process, you can add your new search term first before removing the old. This
makes the list smaller, likely even non-existent which returns the results very quickly. You can
then remove the original search term to get to the results you want.
Slow…
Faster…
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Tip #20 (Jubel)
Use WILDCARDs for help selecting/finding things in your database. They can be used many
places including MAPFILTER, Reports, etc.
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If you can find a very specific model/size, search for just that exact model number, Harrison code,
UPC code, etc. This will typically return only 1 entry. This is typically enough to start to understand
the nomenclature they used for the descriptions. You can then start adding those search terms
and when you get most of them, removing that specific model from the search will typically return
all sizes of the product you’re looking for.
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Tip #23 (Jubel)
Use the “Filter” function in ESTmep/CAMduct/FabViewer to filter Takeoff further. The Filter dialog
will default on the property for the column that was used when you right-clicked to get to the Filter
dialog.
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Tip #25 (Darren)
When filling out tables like ProdInfo, consider adding dashes to fields that are intentionally left
blank. This will help you later when you see blank items in your database as you will know they
are holes you forgot to address.
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Tip #28 (Darren)
Fabrication Products have a numerical pad feature that can be customized to speed entry of input.
NUMPAD. NUMPAD can have multiple layout tabs that allow you to quickly switch between them.
Type EDITNUMPAD from the command line in AutoCAD or ESTmep/CAMduct’s Console Window
(Press CTRL-SHIFT-C to open the console window) to edit the Numpad layout or create new
ones.
The when you save from the NumPad Editor, you save the layout of the current tab to a KPL file
(Key Pad Layout) so make sure you save each tab separately. Numpad’s current layouts are
saved in an NPL (Numpad Layout) file. By default, these files are in the same folder as MAP.INI.
To share your entire Numpad, you can give someone your NPL file. Or you can give them a KPL
which will allow them to “load” a layout to an existing tab of theirs.
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Tip #29 (Jubel)
Rename Report Tables with Helpful information as to how that particular table works. This will
save a lot of time when you work on reports, so you don’t have to go through each of the report
objects to see how they are setup.
• CADmep LISP Function, CADmep Commands and Fab Viewer Commands History:
http://www.xtracad.com/forum/index.php/page,History.html
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Tip #31 (Darren)
If you save a Numpad layout to the file names “SPEEDPAD.KPL” and/or “SIZEPAD.KPL”,
DesignLine can incorporate them into its palette. You may need to Exit and restart Fabrication for
the changes to take effect.
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Tip #33 (Greg)
ChSpec – Use Change Spec to apply a new Insulation Spec to a run of piping or system instead
of just Turning Insulation on or off.
Many ITM’s can store Doublewall Materials/Seams/Connectors even when the Doublewall flag is
NOT set. Try toggling on Doublewall and verify that there are no Materials/Seams/Connectors set
for Doublewall. This is something you should also look for when copying/editing ITM’s as you can
inadvertently duplicate these issues.
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Tip #37 (Darren)
Ever get tired of all your connector groups being expanded when opening the connectors? Instead
of closing them all, you can edit (or delete) the file DBCONFIG.INI which is located here…
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Autodesk\Fabrication <year>\CADmep
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Autodesk\Fabrication <year>\ESTmep
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Autodesk\Fabrication <year>\CAMduct
This files can be opened in Notepad and edited or just plain deleted to default all connector groups
to be closed. Th file tells Fabrication which Connector groups are “Active” or opened.
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Tip #39 (Greg)
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Autodesk\Fabrication <year>\CADmep
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Autodesk\Fabrication <year>\ESTmep
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Autodesk\Fabrication <year>\CAMduct
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Tip #41 (Jubel)
Editing Service Templates can sometimes be tricky. If you’ve ever ended to change the template
used by a service, you know what I mean. An easy way to keep from accidentally changing the
template a service uses, it to create a special bogus service used specifically for editing templates.
This removes the risk of editing Services you don’t want to change.
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Tip #43 (Darren)
If you need DXF files for your developments, the CAMduct Components application is the quickest
way to accomplish this. You can open an existing MAJ or make a new one with Item Folders and
quickly export those all as DXF files.
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Tip #46 (Darren)
Sometimes you have a need to open an old drawing that used a database completely different
that the one you’re using now. You can save that database back to disk using the
SAVEDATABASETODISK command.
A few recommendations….
• Use the EDIT CONFIGURATION and set to PROMPT before loading CADmep. This will
prompt you if you want to use the database archived in the drawing.
• Do this from a COPY of your database or a BLANK database so you don’t mess up your
production database.
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AutoCAD users should turn off the "text as comments" feature before publishing a PDF for use in
Procore. Exporting your drawings as a PDF with this feature enabled may impact Procore
Drawings tool OCR.
At the command line in AutoCAD. Enter “EPDFSHX” and change the value to zero (0).
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Tip #49 (Darren)
While the “SaveDatabaseToDisk” command writes an archived database back to disk, it does
NOT write the ITM’s back. To do this, you can use the SAVETODISK command.
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Note: If you are using Revit w/Fabrication parts, this setting does not affect Revit. Revit will not
save the COST data in the MAJ’s it creates. Even if you import a MAJ with EST data stored in it
into Revit, if you export it out as an MAJ and open it back in AutoCAD the COST data does not
come though.
Why? MAJ’s don’t store cost data so exporting to/importing from Revit doesn’t have access. A
DWG file is more like an ESJ (Archive Estimate) which does store the cost data.
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Tip #53 (Jubel)
If you are a long-time customer and have an older Fabrication database/configuration, your
materials may need a few tweaks. Several releases ago, Autodesk added the ability to flag a
material as “Pipework” (as opposed to “For Machines”). This allows you to set a single material
(e.g. “Carbon Steel”) and then use the dropdown typically used for Sheetmetal gauges for the
schedule/spec. (e.g. “Sch 40”, “Sch 80”, etc.) Review your materials and streamline them. This
can also help with Fabrication performance.
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Tip #55 (Darren)
If you want to use the (MAPFILTER) function from AutoLISP, the filter syntax can be a little tricky.
Use the MAPFILER command and build your filter there, then look at the MFILTER.MAP file using
Notepad to see the codes and syntax to use.
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Autodesk\Fabrication <year>\CADmep
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Autodesk\Fabrication <year>\ESTmep
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Autodesk\Fabrication <year>\CAMduct
Effective Diameters can also be used for control Round duct if it’s needed.
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Tip #57 (Greg)
When setting up Piping Materials, you may notice the “Length” column. You can enter a Length
but this will NOT control the length that pipe is drawn in the software. This column is used
exclusively with Linear Nesting reports to the report knows the stock length of the material you
want to nest to.
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Tip #58 (Darren)
Another area where you can have materials you’ve deleted/renamed/moved keep coming back
is in the Developments. Each ITM has a material associated with it, but many ITM’s also have
Materials applied to the developments. It’s possible to have a mismatch between Item materials
and Development materials. Look in the ITM properties to verify the settings.
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Revit Fabrication Parts Wishlist Items should be posted to the Revit Ideas Station…
https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/idb-p/302
Review and vote on Items you agree with to increase the changes they get added into the
products. Because the Revit Ideas station gets a lot of non-fabrication items added, you may want
to search on the term Fabrication to quickly find Fabrication part related wishes.
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