K Propresentation

Download as pdf or txt
Download as pdf or txt
You are on page 1of 77

K -Series

K series : set reflashes by Hondata


K-Pro programmable ECU
Civic Si
Euro Civic Type R
K-Pro features
Laptop USB Programmable
12 fuel & 12 ignition maps
Best management software available
Programming time 1-3s (first time 30 s)
Integrated Wide band
Data-logging (4 hours) & map tracing
Sensor disabling
$500 upgrade for existing users!
Why use the Stock ECU
Honda have spent millions of $$$
Starts immediately all conditions
Idles
Good emissions and economy
Far less time to tune than replacement
ECUs
OBD II compliant
SMOG legal - but for off road use only
Whats in the ECU
Fuel and ignition maps
Instructions on how to respond
OBD II emissions checks
RSX-S ECU
Conservative ignition timing
Runs rich at high RPM
Overly sensitive to knock sensor
Tuned for emissions at high mileage
Once Tuned:
More power
same or better emissions
Better economy
What makes power

An engine is an air pump


Cram in as much air as possible
Give it the right amount of fuel
Ignite it at the right time
Expel the exhaust with the least power loss
VTEC

Variable timing electronic control


Different versions for Economy + power
Civic Si, Base RSX, Accord
Video
RSX-S TSX
Video
VTC - What is it

Variable Timing Control


50 Degrees Movement
Constantly changing
Honda’s gift to tuners
Settings for Power and emissions
VTC basics

Cam angle swing 50 deg


6 maps 0-50 (show on K-Pro)
Engine efficiency
Better breathing (esp headers + exhaust)
more cam advance
cam centerline about 25 degrees
compared B series engines
Cam advance
VTC Operation
Video
VTC Operation
Video
The K-Pro software

USB connection - inbuilt recommended


Minimum Windows 98 233 64 Mb ram
Window XP preferred with 512K ram
Internet connection for updates
Always check for updates
K-Pro features

Multiple table editing for VTC


Boost maps
Datalogging
Nitrous control
Switching features
Knock display
Dyno Procedure

Switch ECU to open loop


warm the car up. especially gearbox oil
Wait 10 seconds after starting
Stock engined knock retard variation
Coolant > 180F
3000 rpm for 15 seconds to stabilize IAT
Tour of features
A look around the different windows
Combine all tables - Simple tuning (fast)
Edit individual tables for fine tuning(precise)
Volumetric efficiency = how much air
Fuel proportional to air
Variation from 0-50 degrees
Cam angle zero = default position
Tuning procedure

Set VTEC to 7000 rpm & tune lowcam


Set cam angle to 0 Tune fuel then ignition
Select all for ignition
RPM ranges for fuel
Set cam angle to 10, 20, 30, 40, 50etc.
Set VTEC to 3000 rpm and tune Hicam
VTC NA

Assume Cams, 4-2-1 headers intake and


exhaust.
Low cam VTC 35-45 degrees
Hi cam VTC 50-55deg to 6500-7500
Then Retard from 50 to 25 by 8-85 rpm
10 degree advance 1 point leaner (from 16
to17:1) at 6000 rpm
Big cams clay motor, cam centerline
differences, physical stop. HC pistons
VTC 0-50 deg
Tuning VTC 6-8k rpm

Initial composite cam angle map


6000 - 50 degrees
6500 - 45 degrees
7000 - 40 degrees
7500 - 35 degrees
8000 - 30 degrees
8500 - 30 degrees
Tuning VTC 6-8k rpm
VTC final smooth curve
VTC Turbo

Exhaust backpressure > Na or JRSC


Cam angle / overlap needs to be reduced
Low cam VTC 20-30 degrees
Hi cam VTC 20 deg to 6500-7500
Maybe retard to 15 degrees from 7000 up
High Backpressure: retard VTC raise VTEC
Low backpressure: advance VTC lower VTEC
VTC @ the VTEC point

One of the most difficult tuning tasks


Cam takes 0.1s to rotate 10 degrees
start rotating cam angle before VTEC
VTEC switch Noise greatly reduced
Hardest to do on turbo motor
Sacrifice hp before VTEC to gain after
VTC @ the VTEC point

VTEC point 4000


Set VTC @ 5000 to
50 not 37 to match
hicam VTC angle
VTC Wild NA cams

Experimental cams (not yet available)


really Big bottom end lobes
reduce overlap in part throttle maps (set
VTC to zero
Add lots of timing at the low end (50-100
ft pounds gain in one example)
Raise idle speed
less vacuum lean out columns
VTC Supercharging
Similar to tuning big cam H.C. motor
Assume Cams, intake 4-2-1headers and ex.
Low cam VTC 45-50 degrees
Hi cam VTC 50 deg to 6500-7500
Maybe retard to 40 degrees from 7000 up
Loves overlap
Cam angle alters boost level in manifold
Boost does not = power
Picture of 2 boost curves /vtec point
JRSC boost curve 5 & 8 psi

Top curve may have intake restriction > 6K


JRSC dyno chart
Greddy RSX-S boost
Greddy K-pro tuning
Nitrous
Much safer with K-Pro
Best: dry shot
Great with boost
Use bigger injectors
Wet - poor fuel distribution
Low gear wheelspin
Switch off before redline
Must retard ignition
Too much too low = boom
Nitrous and Boost

Nitrous Intercooler!
Supercharger makes a good nitrous mixer
Increases boost 0.4 psi on JRSC
Turbocharger
small shot at low RPM spools turbo
JRSC 7 psi + n2o + vtec
VTEC @ 3K more power than VTEC @ 4K even
though boost is more
Nitrous cools & adds boost (0.5-0.7 psi)
belt slipping after 7500 rpm (red line)
40 shot through JRSC
7 pounds boost
Tightened belt lowered VTEC
40 shot at 3500 rpm
Civic Si - no jets installed
Intakes

Torque peak / lean spot at resonance point


Pressurised intake - 2 mph trap speeds
Use Datalogging to measure air pressure + temp
PRB Intake
PRC Intake
ITR intake gains

Effect
Toda ITB
Injector positioning

Towards the top of the runner


Machine / cast new bottom end plate
Bad for emissions good for power
20 C fuel temp drop 1% power
http://www.designengineering.com
CO2 fuel & intercooler Cooling
Pitfalls

Valve Spring pressure too high


Installing cam correctly
reversing TPS and MAP
Supercharging - not relocating map
Intake flow improvements
Exhaust flow improvements
The Effect of...

Cold Air intake


Hondata intake gasket
ITR intake manifold
Headers
cams
Exhaust
throttle body
higher Compression
porting
Engine Buildups
K20 Engine Stock
240
K20A2 tuning
230
220 -- Stock
210
200
190
180
170
160
150
140
130
120
110
100
90
80
70
60
50
40
2000 3000 4000 5000 RPM 6000 7000 8000 9000
Hondata Reflash
240
K20A2 tuning
230
220 -- Hondata ECU Flash (K20A2)
210 -- Stock
200
190
180
170
160
150
140
130
120
110
100
90
80
70
60
50
40
2000 3000 4000 5000 RPM 6000 7000 8000 9000
C.A.I.
240
K20A2 tuning
230
220 -- CAI
210 -- Hondata ECU Flash (K20A2)
200 -- Stock
190
180
170
160
150
140
130
120
110
100
90
80
70
60
50
40
2000 3000 4000 5000 RPM 6000 7000 8000 9000
Greddy Catback
240
K20A2 tuning
230
220 -- Greddy catback
210 -- CAI
200 -- Hondata ECU Flash (K20A2)
190 -- Stock
180
170
160
150
140
130
120
110
100
90
80
70
60
50
40
2000 3000 4000 5000 RPM 6000 7000 8000 9000
DC5 ITR cams + reflash
240
K20A2 tuning
230
220 -- ITR cams +reflash ( K20A)
210 -- Greddy catback
200 -- CAI
190 -- Hondata ECU Flash (K20A2)
180 -- Stock
170
160
150
140
130
120
110
100
90
80
70
60
50
40
2000 3000 4000 5000 RPM 6000 7000 8000 9000
Comptech headers
240
K20A2 tuning
230
220 -- Comptech headers
210 -- ITR cams +reflash ( K20A)
200 -- Greddy catback
190 -- CAI
180 -- Hondata ECU Flash (K20A2)
170 -- Stock
160
150
140
130
120
110
100
90
80
70
60
50
40
2000 3000 4000 5000 RPM 6000 7000 8000 9000
ITR intake, T.B. , Gasket
240
K20A2 tuning
230
-- ITR intake manifold TB + gasket
220
-- Comptech headers
210 -- ITR cams +reflash ( K20A)
200 -- Greddy catback
190 -- CAI
180 -- Hondata ECU Flash (K20A2)
170 -- Stock
160
150
140
130
120
110
100
90
80
70
60
50
40
2000 3000 4000 5000 RPM 6000 7000 8000 9000
Titanium exhaust
+ custom ECU tune
240
K20A2 tuning
230
-- Custom Tune
220 -- ITR intake manifold TB + gasket
210 -- Comptech headers
200 -- ITR cams +reflash ( K20A)
190 -- Greddy catback
-- CAI
180
-- Hondata ECU Flash (K20A2)
170 -- Stock
160
150
140
130
120
110
100
90
80
70
60
50
40
2000 3000 4000 5000 RPM 6000 7000 8000 9000
Ti Exhaust, pulleys
250
K20A2 tuning
240
230 --Ti Exhaust, pulleys
220 -- Custom Tune
210 -- ITR intake manifold TB + gasket
200 -- Comptech headers
190 -- ITR cams +reflash ( K20A)
180 -- Greddy catback
-- CAI
170
-- Hondata ECU Flash (K20A2)
160 -- Stock
150
140
130
120
110
100
90
80
70
60
50
40
2000 3000 4000 5000 RPM 6000 7000 8000 9000
Head port, valves,
Toda A cams
250
K20A2 tuning
240
-- Ported head Big Valve Toda cams
230 --Ti Exhaust, pulleys
220 -- Custom Tune
210 -- ITR intake manifold TB + gasket
200 -- Comptech headers
190 -- ITR cams +reflash ( K20A)
180 -- Greddy catback
-- CAI
170
-- Hondata ECU Flash (K20A2)
160 -- Stock
150
140
130
120
110
100
90
80
70
60
50
40
2000 3000 4000 5000 RPM 6000 7000 8000 9000
Start to Finish
250
K20A2 tuning
240
230 -- Ported head Big Valve Toda cams
220 Ti Exhaust, pulleys
210 Custom Tune
200 ITR intake manifold TB + gasket
190 Comptech headers
180 ITR cams +reflash ( K20A)
Greddy catback
170
CAI
160 Hondata ECU Flash (K20A2)
150
140 -- Stock
130
120
110
100
90
80
70
60
50
40
2000 3000 4000 5000 RPM 6000 7000 8000 9000
JRSC Supercharger
5 lb boost
300
290 K20A2 tuning
280
270 -- JRSC Race kit
260 -- Ron's car with boltons
250 -- Stock
240
230
220
210
200
190
180
170
160
150
140
130
120
110
100
90
80
70
60
50
40
2000 3000 4000 5000 RPM 6000 7000 8000 9000
Hytech Exhaust
12:1Pistons, cams, intake
300
290 K20A2 tuning
280
270 -- JRSC Race kit
260 -- Hytech Exhaust
250 12:1 pistons, cams, intake, exhaust
240 -- Ron's car with boltons
230 -- Stock
220
210
200
190
180
170
160
150
140
130
120
110
100
90
80
70
60
50
40
2000 3000 4000 5000 RPM 6000 7000 8000 9000
ITR cams, exhaust, CAI
300
290 K20A2 tuning
280
270 -- ITR cams + intake
260
250 -- Stock
240
230
220
210
200
190
180
170
160
150
140
130
120
110
100
90
80
70
60
50
40
2000 3000 4000 5000 RPM 6000 7000 8000 9000
K24 CRV bottom end

300

280 Just one last thing


290 K20A2 tuning

270 -- K24 CRV bottom end


260 -- K20A2 ITR cams
250 -- Stock
240
230
220
210
200
190
180 Announce the availability of the User
170
160
150
programmable ECU
140
130
120
110
100
90
80
70
60
50
40
2000 3000 4000 5000 RPM 6000 7000 8000 9000
JRSC Supercharger 8 lb
300
290 K20A2 tuning
280
270 -- JRSC Race kit 8 lb
260 -- K24 bottom end
250 -- ITR cams + intake
240 -- Stock
230
220
210
200
190
180
170
160
150
140
130
120
110
100
90
80
70
60
50
40
2000 3000 4000 5000 RPM 6000 7000 8000 9000
Hasport / Jackson Racing

2.4 Supercharged Civic Type R


170 ft lb torque @ 2000 rpm
293 hp @ 7800 rpm
Who uses Hondata

HART - Honda America Race Team


Improved economy 10% using Hondata
World’s fastest Civic - 204 mph
Ericks racing 9.99 second 1/4 mile
We have been using your HONDATA ECU for a few months now and are VERY
pleased with the performance of it. We feel that it is the best mod we have
done to the car so far.

Richie Newman
Honda Engineering North America Inc.
DC Sport RSX-S turbo

Another Happy Customer


K series Bang for the buck
Cold Air Intake (ram air)
ECU Reflash
Intake gasket
headers / Exhaust
K-Pro upgrade + tuning
Nitrous - Boost
Cams
K24 bottom end swap
Silly Questions
Why can’t I turn my steering wheel?
I have my ECU reflash by you guy's and I'm
planning to change my clutch to a
performance one is that going to affect my
reflash?
I just got my ECU back from you guy's and
now my radio doesn't work why?
I just got my reflash back and now my car
has a funny smell
More Silly ??s

Can I just buy the g-sensor, I want to use


it in my plane?
So If I have a non-vtec engine and I get
the Hondata, I will have VTEC right?
don't know anything about cars or tuning,
can you teach me what your system does
and how it works real quick?
So what do you guys do anyway?
Real Questions?

You might also like