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Testing 409 Relay

The document discusses troubleshooting a fuel pump relay (409 relay) in a vehicle that is not priming the fuel system. The key points are: 1. With the key turned to the on position, 12 volts is present at terminal 30 of the 409 relay, which is powered by fuse S163, but power is not passing to terminal 87 which powers the fuel pump fuse. 2. Terminal 86 is also receiving 12 volts from the ignition switch, but the relay is not engaging to pass power to terminal 87. 3. The document asks if anyone can provide information on which relay contacts need to be energized to pass power from terminal 30 to terminal 87 to troubleshoot the issue further.

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Testing 409 Relay

The document discusses troubleshooting a fuel pump relay (409 relay) in a vehicle that is not priming the fuel system. The key points are: 1. With the key turned to the on position, 12 volts is present at terminal 30 of the 409 relay, which is powered by fuse S163, but power is not passing to terminal 87 which powers the fuel pump fuse. 2. Terminal 86 is also receiving 12 volts from the ignition switch, but the relay is not engaging to pass power to terminal 87. 3. The document asks if anyone can provide information on which relay contacts need to be energized to pass power from terminal 30 to terminal 87 to troubleshoot the issue further.

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Testing 409 relay

Hey guys, getting my car back together and wanted to prime fuel system to make sure no leaks
before I put her back on the ground... Problem is turn key to position 1 (key on) and fuel pump doesn't
prime or run at all.... I have 12 volts on fuse 163 on battery fuse panel, also have 12 volts to terminal
30 on 409 relay but won't energise to 87 that passes power to fuse 28 which is the fuse for fuel
pump.. This is the info I've found so far on that relay

Terminal 30 - power from Fuse S163


Terminal 31 - ground
Terminal 85 - to Engine Control Module
Terminal 86 - from ignition switch (D15)
Terminal 87 - to fuel pump circuit - Fuses S228, S232, S234, & S243
Terminal C - from crash signal circuit
Terminal TK - from door contact switch circuit
I have 12V at Terminal 30 and Terminal 86 with key in ON position. But Terminal 87 is not reading
12V.

Most likely the TK signal won't work on my car as my micro switch is toast and car doesn't sense door
is open (as I'm sure that a lot of people have that problem) But that part of it shouldn't matter... I even
disconnected the starter plug and tried to see if cranking key onto position 3 would energize pump but
no go...

I can't find Groggory's Fuel pump troubleshooting DIY so if anyone can tell me what contacts
energize the relay to pass power from terminal 30 to 87 that would be great

If anyone has a bentley repair manual on there computer its pic No. 47/14 page #97-441 and No.
47/15 page #97-442 that is needed for me to show people what I've tested.. I tried taking pictures of
them but don't turn out very good so would be pointless for me to post up..
ok in this pic I have 12 volts on J17 (409 relay) at pin 17/30 and that comes from fuse panel on battery S163

Power does not pass to pin 23/87 which powers fuses S243, S234, and fuel pump fuse S228

With Key on to position 1 I get 12v to pin 19/86 and also from ECU (J220) I get 3.4 V to pin 16/85, not sure what
kind of a voltage signal I'm supposed to get from ECU if its a 5 V signal or supposed to be 12V???

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