Michael Tellinger - Part 1

Whistleblower Radio, 14 January 2010

[Ed note: Normally the transcripts that had any parts in them
that had been difficult for the transcribers to hear were put in
“audibles” in square brackets in red for Bill Ryan to attend to, fix,
then he’d post the transcript; however, due to unexpected
interruptions in the normal working process in Project Camelot,
this normal process was not able to proceed forward, so the
audibles were left in the square brackets.]

Part 1:

[In the first ten minutes of this recording there were technical
difficulties connecting with Michael Tellinger on Skype. Kerry’s
comments re connection problems have been deleted, but
interesting bits of information she gave while waiting are included
here as preface to the Michael Tellinger interview.]

KERRY CASSIDY (KC): This is Kerry Cassidy, Project Camelot

Whistleblower Radio, and hopefully we will be on the air tonight
with Michael Tellinger. He is the author of Slave Species of God.
He is a wonderful researcher and he’s also a musician, which is
absolutely fascinating. He has basically been investigating the
genetic-engineering history of our species. He has got
archeological evidence that he’s been uncovering. He has two
websites. One is http://www.slavespecies.com/ and the other one
is http://www.adamscalendar.com/ . Adam’s Calendar will show
you some photographs of his wonderful discoveries in South... I
believe it’s South Africa, or somewhere in Africa.

[attempts to connect to Michael Tellinger were not successful at

this time on the tape]

We were on Mel Fabregas’ radio show, The Veritas

Show, [ http://www.veritasshow.com/ ] today, Bill Ryan and
myself. Project Camelot was interviewed for two hours, I think it
was, earlier today. That show was not live, contrary to what I
thought. It was pre-recorded and will be released, I believe,
possibly in a week or so. I’m not sure how they schedule the
releases of their shows, but that’s what I understand.
We believe that it’s possible that the Haiti earthquake was the
result of the weather wars that are happening behind the scenes.
And that is, I realize, rather stunning information. That’s a huge,
huge tragedy. It is quite likely that is part of an overall agenda
being rolled out, as we’ve talked about on Camelot from time to
time. Other than that, let me see if I can add some other
information. We do have a new whistleblower; actually I’ve got a
few of them.

It’s an interesting time now. We’re really having some amazing

things going on behind the scenes as well as on the more obvious
level. This new whistleblower was talking to us about synthetic
beings coming in through a stargate in the Gulf of Aden and that
right now there is a military buildup in the area – that’s alongside
Yemen, for those of you who don’t know and… [Kerry goes off air,
then back on]

As I was saying, we have a couple of new whistleblowers, one of

which is talking about synthetic beings that are being possibly,
maybe, coming back to this planet – beings that were created by
the Atlanteans and then taken off-planet prior to the destruction
of Atlantis and allowed to develop. They are basically robots that
are developing on their own, as artificial intelligence does have
the ability to do.

Supposedly they are on the way back to this planet. Meanwhile

our governments have created their own groups of synthetic
beings. The scanners that are being put in at the airports now are
part of this effort, I guess, to identify whether or not the person
coming through the scanner is human or not. That’s actually
what’s really, really going on. [Kerry goes off air, then back on]

Start of Interview:

KERRY CASSIDY (KC): This is Kerry Cassidy, Project Camelot

Whistleblower Radio, and I believe we are now on the air again.
Hopefully this will work. It seems that we’re having all kinds of
technical difficulties. Michael, are you on the air with me?

MICHAEL TELLINGER (MT): I can hear you, Kerry.

KC: Wonderful. [laughs] How are you doing?

MT: Excellent! I’m very glad to hear voices, finally. For a while I
thought we were going to have these strange gremlins creep in
and prevent us from having a chat.

KC: Exactly. Well, it wouldn’t be that unusual, I have to say. So,

for those of you that have hung on for the last, say, twelve
minutes while we’ve been getting ourselves hooked up here... I’m
on the air. This is Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot and we’re
on the air with Michael Tellinger.

Michael is an author-investigator and he has written a couple of

books – actually I think at least three – one of which is a very
well known book called Slave Species of God. This is all about the
evolution of man and basically calls into question a lot of the
preconceived notions of where we came from, how we were
genetically engineered. It follows along with the work of Zecharia
Sitchin, in my view, and maybe we can discuss that in more
depth.

Other than that, from what I understand you’re also a musician.

Isn’t that right?

MT: Yeah, that’s true, Kerry. What I find interesting is that when
I watched one of your interviews, one of your many interviews, I
noticed that quite a few of the people that you interview started
life as musicians. It seems that this musical vibrational frequency
seems to penetrate all forms of life, and especially those that
start to question life and origins at a later stage in their personal
lives.

I know David Wilcock is a musician himself, and Einstein was a

musician, and many of my other scientist friends are musicians
that played music in their earlier careers. It’s very interesting.

I grew up in a musical family; my mother sang opera in Europe,

and then when we moved to South Africa, she was very active in
the opera and the classical musical circles here. She still teaches
today at the age of 76. She still teaches music as a sort of a…
she’s known as “The Voice of Peyah”, a magician.

KC: Oh, that’s fabulous. It will interest you to know that I’m also
a singer/songwriter, of a sort. I was very much involved in music
and I actually have just got done recording an EP, I guess you
call it.

MT: Yeah.

KC: So I’ve been having a lot of fun with music myself. And yeah,
I think that there is a synchronicity there with quite a few people
that have musical backgrounds being interested also in science,
and for lack of a better word, the occult or the hidden.

MT: Yeah. You know what I find interesting, Kerry, is that if you
understand the concept of music and how music works, it’s a lot
easier to understand the vibrational frequency spectrum and how
it all fits together – and harmonic frequencies – and how things
can be harmonious; and resonant frequencies and octaves and
the concept of different dimensions when you break them up into
vibrational scales and so forth.

It really... just suddenly, the light… Once that penny drops for
you, you step out of the musical realm and you step into the
scientific realm and the penny drops for you, you see that there’s
an absolute parallel crossover from one to the other.

KC: Yeah, I have to agree with that. I know that, for example,
Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are working with something
they call Lotus, which has to do with healing abilities of crystals.
They’ve been investigating that for some time, I believe.

I also understand that you are using sound in... and maybe you
can correct me if I’m wrong, but from what I understand, you’re
actually using sound in order to help you in your archeological
work. Is that right?

MT: Yeah, it’s true to a large extent. It’s really the sound
“element” and the understanding of sound frequencies that got us
to... well, me specifically, to sit up and pay attention to the
structures of these ancient stone ruins: the kind of stones they
used, why they built in specific forms and shapes, and why
they’re all connected by these strange channels that we called
roads, originally.
It’s only when we started thinking of frequency, and specifically
sound frequency as a potential solution, the penny dropped for us
and we could unravel what I believe is one of the most amazing
discoveries in human history and the evolution of humans.

And also, presenting the evidence that many people like Zecharia
Sitchin... and many others that I’ve met with here in South Africa
– Credo Mutwa being the other one – people have been writing
and talking about the origins of humankind, and these “First
People” that lived here in Southern Africa, and have been
ridiculed for it for many decades.

It’s just really exciting to be finding and discovering, on a daily

basis, the physical evidence to support all those early writings,
often where people went on just feelings more than scientific
fact.

We now are starting to find overwhelming physical evidence and

proof for those first early civilizations of very early homo
sapiens living in South Africa and Southern Africa.

KC: So how is it that you are actually using music or sound to aid
you in your work?

MT: Well, what first caught my attention was the fact that the
stones that have been used to build these circular stone ruins,
these ancient ruins, they ring like bells – every stone. Especially
when we started clearing the sites to be able to take people to
them, the ones that we’ve chosen that are easily accessible... as
we started clearing the sites, I started realizing this strange,
incredible sound and noise that these stones were making.

I suddenly realized that this wasn’t just an accident because

these stones were making a completely different sound, and they
rang… As I say, they actually ring like bells, the most beautiful
crystal or metallic structures. And I’m going to be loading some of
these sounds onto my various websites very soon just so people
can actually hear it.

KC: That’s really fascinating. I think that that is so interesting.

How did you come to discover that they rang like bells? I mean,
you were moving them and they made sound? Or did you actually
have a theory and start, I don’t know, beating against them to
see if they made different sounds?

MT: No, it was... [laughs] You know, discovery is a strange beast.

It really is; and it takes, sometimes it takes a few days,
sometimes a few weeks, sometimes a few months, and this
particular discovery took us more than seven years to figure this
out. And many times these things happen by accident.

I already had a theory that the circular shapes of the stone ruins
were there for a specific purpose and reason, to generate energy
of some sort, and that these ancient civilizations used the energy
that they generated in these circular structures to extract the
gold and to crush the ore and to transport the ore... well, use the
energy that…

The moment you see a circular structure, the alarm bells should
start to ring if you know anything about frequency and sound and
generation of energy.

That’s exactly what happened to me. I just immediately felt

somehow, intuitively, I suppose – I’m not a psychic but I’m a
very strong intuitive and that’s been becoming more and more
active in my life. I realized that these were energy devices.

Then suddenly, a few weeks later, we accidently discovered, as

you said... while we were clearing the sites, I discovered that
these stones have this incredible ‘ring’.

So I went back on the mountains and I started experimenting

with these rocks and tapping them in different ways with different
objects and seeing how they ring. And then I discovered that not
only do they ring like bells, but different stones seem to have
been chosen for specific sounds and what seems to be very
specific reasons and uses in sound generation.

For example, the flat stones that they use to construct the walls
of the circular ruins have very distinct and separate frequencies.
We did a recording a few weeks ago, just before Christmas. I
went and spent the whole day, or actually two days, recording
the sounds. Then we sat and analyzed these sounds in a sound
studio and captured the frequencies, recorded the frequencies.
I mean, you know what I mean by frequencies, Kerry, since
you’re a musician, so you understand what I’m talking about.

We’re talking... these are stones in circular ruins, okay? We

captured from 200 hertz, which is very low frequency. The human
audible range goes down to, arguably, around 30 hertz. All right?
So we recorded from 200 hertz, all the way up to 60,000 hertz...
so 60 kilohertz, which is starting to approach the upper limit of
human hearing. That’s what we found.

So already we find that just the stones that were used to build
the outer circular walls have this amazing capacity.

Then what we find in among the stone ruins are these very
strange, sausage-like long stones. They differ in length from
probably about a meter, sometimes even longer, to a foot or two
feet. In diameter, they vary from two or three inches to probably
about six or seven inches.

These are like long crystals. And when you lift these stones up,
these long, sausage-like stones, those are the ones that ring
most beautifully and most clearly; and the sound carries. It’s
absolutely spectacular. It literally takes your breath away when
you hear it for the first time.

KC: Well, this is fascinating. I think it’s so interesting that you

would be a musician, have that background, and then also get
into sort of this really unusual field that you’ve sort of ended up
in, and I would love to know how you ended up in this field.

I know we had you on our show when we did the other rendition
of the Project Camelot radio show, and excuse me if I did ask you
this back then, but I am very curious to have you share with this
audience a little bit more about your background. I know that you
have a medical degree. That also seems like sort of out of left
field, [laughs] I have to say, in relation to archeology.

Then I also want to say that it seems to me that with the sound,
the frequency that these stones have... from what I understand
it’s possible they also used sound to move them into place, just
as they did with the Great Pyramid.
I’m seeing from your writings here that this find that you have,
this Adam’s Calendar in general, is located, possibly on a ley line,
or a longitudinal line, which is the same as the Great Pyramid. Is
that correct?

MT: That’s correct, yeah. I think maybe what I should do is put

into a larger perspective for your listeners and for the audience,
just so they will know what the bloody hell we’re talking about.

We’re talking about a discovery of a very large ancient settlement

of circular stone ruins that covered, at one stage over 200,000
years ago already… I know that’s a number that many
archeologists and historians really struggle with, but that’s their
own problem; they need to come to terms with that. There was a
very, very large ancient settlement of over ten million stone ruins
that I’ve counted. And there are more – I stopped when I got to
about ten million. [Kerry laughs]

And that changes our perception of ancient human history

completely. Whatever you held dear or close to your heart, or
whatever you believed before, flies right out the window. It forces
us to sit down and re-evaluate everything we thought we knew
about our ancient human history.

We’re dealing here with a vanished ancient civilization that

existed at the bottom tip of Africa, South Africa – and Zimbabwe
mainly – incorporating the Great Zimbabwe Ruins, incidentally,
for those that don’t know that yet.

All of these structures, every single one of them, were circular in

its shape, and each of them was linked by a road or a channel.
Now, that is highly irregular; you don’t see that in any ancient
civilizations at all.

It’s completely unbelievable for us to consider that such a

civilization could have existed that was so vast. It makes the
cities of today absolutely pale by comparison in their size.

And then in among all of these stone structures there are

thousands of kilometers of beautifully shaped and constructed
agricultural terraces that link all of these structures together.
KC: Okay. I’m sorry to interrupt you here... we’re about to go to
break. We’ll be right back on the other side of this hour, and this
is Michael Tellinger on Project Camelot Radio.

[break]

KC: This is Kerry Cassidy, Project Camelot Whistleblower Radio.

We’re on the air with Michael Tellinger, who has written a
wonderful book, Slave Species of God, and a couple of other
books as well. Michael, are you there?

MT: I’m here.

KC: Okay great. So, you were actually giving an overview of the
structures themselves, and that is also fascinating and I’d love
you to continue. I’d also like you to cover a bit of how you got
into this in the first place, after that.

MT: Okay. Where was I, Kerry? I think I was talking about the
agricultural terraces. Is that correct?

KC: Yes, exactly.

MT: So... [Michael gets disconnected]

KC: Hello? For some reason we’re having some trouble hearing
you, at least at my end. I don’t know if that’s true for everyone.

MT: Can you hear me now?

KC: Yeah, now I can.

MT: Okay. So just to put it into perspective, imagine the whole of

Southern Africa, pretty much most of South Africa, and including
Zimbabwe, being covered in a continuous stone settlement made
up of millions – over 10 million – circular stone ruins linked by
ancient roads.

All – each and every one – of these roads is walled on the sides
by stone walls. And then connected... all of this, in between all of
this, you have thousands of kilometers, miles, of agricultural
terraces that were neatly and beautifully constructed.

Which brings to mind, I asked you how many people must of

have lived here, and my estimate and my calculation would, say,
anything between 50- to 200-million people, you know... the
guess is yours... over a very extended period of time.

And those kind of numbers just do not jell with our understanding
of human history, especially when you start going back to
200,000 or 280,000 years ago.

The way that I got involved in this was because of my book

called Slave Species of God, as you mentioned earlier, that deals
with the origins of humankind and the evidence that points... that
we are a cloned race, a cloned species, that was specifically
intended for a very single-minded purpose, and that was to mine
gold out of the gold mines in Southern Africa.

Which brings us to the third important anomaly here among these

ancient civilizations, and that is the thousands of gold mines –
thousands of ancient mines that we’ve discovered.

Personally I’ve probably crawled through at least a hundred of

these ancient mines, and they all look very similar, you know.
Either they’re big holes in the ground or they’re long passages
and channels carved into the sides of mountains.

Some of them have survived. Some of them have been re-

excavated and reopened by the gold miners in the gold mine
rush, the Gold Rush of the 1850s, the mid-1800s, the same as
there was in California and Australia. There was a similar one
here in South Africa that then set up the city of Johannesburg and
opened up the Gold Reef.

Well, guess what? These guys didn’t discover the gold. This gold
was being mined here 280,000 years ago when it started,
according to my research.

KC: That’s really extraordinary. I’m wondering, just off hand,

whether or not those link-ups or some of your discoveries were
helped to any degree by Credo Mutwa, or other sort of indigenous
peoples to the region that might have had stories or so on, that
related to the discoveries that you’ve made.

MT: Definitely. Credo Mutwa has played a very important role,

and continues to play a very important role in these discoveries.

As I mentioned earlier, you know, Credo has been saying some

very remarkable things for decades, for over 50 years already,
and he’s been ridiculed for it and laughed at, you know, that he’s
a “madman” and so forth, by the establishment.

Well, fortunately we’re now discovering that everything Credo’s

been saying is true. And I’m discovering that, almost on a weekly
basis, everything that Credo has told me personally in the past
year and a bit has been turning out to be true.

First of all, just to link him to these discoveries... I met a chap

called Johan Heine, who came to one of my Slave Species of
God presentations in Pretoria.

After my presentation he said to me: Listen, I’ve got to show you

some photographs. I’ve been photographing these weird, strange
stone structures from the air for the last 15 or 20 years, and I’ve
been trying to show them to the authorities and the
archeologists, and so forth and they just keep telling me they’re
not important, they don’t mean anything.

So when he showed me these stone ruins, I just instinctively and

immediately knew that there was something really important
about them.

Well, a few months went by and eventually Johan organized a

helicopter [ride]. He runs the biggest forest firefighting project
here in Southern Africa, so he’s got helicopters and airplanes that
fly all over the place and fight forest fires and so forth. So he
organized a helicopter for us to go flying around and over these
ruins.

And I literally... my life was changed. In one day my entire life

changed and I realized that we were dealing with something so
monumental that it would probably consume the next decade of
my life or so. And since then 2-1/2 years have gone by and that’s
exactly what’s happening.
We realized that all the work that I was writing about and the
research I was dealing with in Slave Species of God was now
finding its roots and the physical evidence for these ancient
civilizations and the first people on Earth, right here in South
Africa – and it all revolves around gold.

I’m sure you’re aware of this from all the interesting people that
you’ve interviewed and spoken to over the years that you’ve been
running Project Camelot.

KC: Well yes, actually. We know in essence the Enlil / Enki story
of the origin of man, basically told in part by Zecharia Sitchin and
then picked up by some others. I’m just curious if you are aligned
with Sitchin’s view completely, or do you diverge in any particular
areas?

MT: Well, I suppose I’m in line with Sitchin’s work and his
writings. I’m becoming more in line with it the more I look at
these structures and the discoveries that I’m making. And the
discoveries Johan Heine made.

First of all, the stone calendar that we now call Adam’s

Calendar – that is the other book that I wrote with Johan
Heine, Adam’s Calendar, and that deals with the discovery of this
ancient stone calendar site at a place called Kaapsehoop in South
Africa in the Mpumalanga [province].

That is just spectacular because the calendar still works today,

but it is so... The structures, the attributes of the calendar are so
strange and so weird, that it really boggles the mind. And the age
of it is so staggering that you really have to dig deep into your
understanding of what’s been happening on this planet Earth.

What I find interesting is when you read through the works of

Sitchin, and especially the Lost Book of Enki, there are various
references. Now remember, when Sitchin wrote that he didn’t
know anything about this ancient civilization or the structures
that we’re discovering now.

The more I go back to that particular book, especially the Lost

Book of Enki, I’m finding incredible, very accurate references to
some of the things that we’re discovering.

For example, he mentions that about “40 shar” after arriving on

planet Earth, Enki built himself a special place of observing
– “observation in the deep Abzu, on the edge of a cliff overlooking
the valley” – all kinds of references like that. It was in line with
his “abode in the north”, which I believe was the Great Zimbabwe
and the “twin peaks” further up, which I believe are the two big
Pyramids in Giza.

And guess what? We find that Adam’s Calendar is exactly in line

with Great Zimbabwe and furthermore also exactly in line with
the Great Pyramid of Giza along the 31-degree longitudinal line
and 31-degrees east longitude. And that’s not a coincidence.

KC: That’s fascinating. I’m reading bits and pieces of the Lost
Book of Enki and find it fascinating myself. I’m wondering if you
are also then looking at that book now for further clues as to
what you might search for.

MT: Definitely. I was able to get myself an electronic copy of it,

so it’s easier to reference and find things, find specific references
that I’m looking for, which has helped tremendously. There is also
a wonderful reference to Enki’s younger son.

By the way, Kerry, I believe that you’re psychic yourself. I’m not
sure what your personal sort of strengths and paranormal
strengths are, but I pick up from the work that I’ve been
watching that you’re quite psychic.

KC: [laughs] Yes, thank you. I appreciate that. Yes, I am finding

more and more. Actually, I think, as you said, it’s becoming a
bigger and bigger part of my life as time goes on.

MT: Yes. Well, as I said, I’m not psychic, but I’m intuitive, highly
intuitive, and I’ve started to really trust that side of my psyche.
And whenever I read something or I suddenly have a weird
thought that I believe has been channeled to me by a Higher
Intelligence, or Higher Powers, or whatever, I take it and I run
with it.

I have been finding that since I’ve started doing that, things have
become a lot easier and it’s just amazing how things unfold.

Just to once again put things into some sort of chronological

order here, it was really the discovery of Adam’s Calendar by
Johan Heine in 2003 that really opened up the door to this
discovery and realizing how much larger and bigger this ancient
civilization is.

You know, Johan was told that these circular structures were of
no historic importance. They were just a bunch of
cattle kraal [Ed. note: corral] that were built by the migrating
Bantu people or the people during the South African Boer War –
they built them for their cattle or quick settlements while they
were migrating or something like that.

Well, you know, those were just such ludicrous and stupid
statements to make by historians and archeologists. And I can
understand why they would make those kinds of statements,
because they just had no clue or understanding of the size and
extent of this ancient civilization, how many of these stone
structures there are, and how big these ancient cities once were.

They just did not have a clue, so they would make silly
statements like: Well, you know, these structures were built by
the migrating Bantu people and they were moving south, and
they were probably built by the women and children, and stuff
like that.

And these are the stories that go into our history books. I’m
absolutely appalled by the lies and the inaccuracies that have
been written into our history books.

And then they make statements like: The channels or these roads
that you see that link these stone structures together, they were
built by the Gedi people or the Bakoni people to drive their cattle
on, and stuff like that. They just make stuff up and put it in the
books. [laughs] It just drives me nuts.

KC: [laughs] Well yeah, I think that that’s true and I think it’s
fascinating because I’m kind of looking over the Net and I’m
seeing that in many ways you’re actually out there doing some
work that isn’t being done. Even with all the people we’re
interviewing, there are not a lot of archeologists, or even people
that are researchers in general, that seem to be following your
work closely as I have been to some degree, and also because
I’m aware that it seems that you’re going down a road that most
people just simply are not.

I find it very fascinating. I see that they tend to want to sort of

paint you as somebody who is a dabbler, who sort of stumbled
into doing this on the side. But what I really see is that this in
many ways is really a mission for you.

MT: Yes, this definitely has become a mission. And the more
people say things about me or call me a dabbler – great. The
more they talk about you, the more other people discover your
work, you know, and that’s fine. I’m okay with that. [laughs]

KC: But, you know, actually it’s so groundbreaking that it’s,

again, one of those kinds of things that we come across on
Camelot, which is: Why isn’t this front page news? You know? In
essence.

MT: Well, I’ll tell you why. I can tell you why it’s not front page
news and this has been happening to me for the last 2-1/2 years.
I’ll get a phone call from a journalist – and incidentally that is
why I actually now close the doors to all South African journalists.
I do not talk to them anymore because they behave so badly and
like spoiled brats. They just seem to have no backbone or
journalistic integrity, if you want to call... if there is such a thing.

KC: Well, I hope so. [laughs]

MT: [laughs] Well... You see, you’re working outside of the field.
You’re not really working in the mainstream. You know, your
articles don’t appear on the 8 o’clock news and your interviews
don’t appear on 60 Minutes and so forth.

KC: Absolutely.

MT: You’re working out of the field yourself.

KC: Yes.
MT: I’m talking about the mainstream journalists, the people
from television and radio and the Sunday Times in Soweto. They
make an appointment with me... well, this is a while ago now,
when we first started making these discoveries two years ago.
And then they come and spend an hour or two interviewing me
and I tell them all the stuff that we’re discovering and then they
go: Okay, well this is just too far out. I can’t believe any of this –
which I can understand.

Once again I love this thing. People say: I’ve never heard of it,
and they use that as a scientific argument, you know... which is
fantastic! [laughs]

KC: [laughs] Exactly.

MT: They’ve never heard of if, it can’t be [unclear – sounds like

he says “supper”], you know.

And then these journalists run off to some professor or some

academic at university at Johannesburg or Cape Town, and
say: Well Michael Tellinger says that they’ve discovered
these... And what does this poor academic know? They know
absolutely nothing. They lead poor sheltered lives. I feel sorry for
these people in these little academic boxes behind walls in
universities.

You know, the last time these people were out in the field was
probably 20 years ago and now suddenly they get confronted by
some journalist that tells them this guy has discovered the
ancient Lost City of Enki or Solomon’s Gold Mines, and stuff like
that, and these guys: Ah, man, it’s a bunch of rubbish, you know.
That’s their answer.

And guess what the journalist does? The journalist goes back to
his office and later writes: Michael Tellinger is talking rubbish,
because professor so-and-so says he’s talking rubbish. And that’s
what happens.

KC: Yeah, exactly. It’s like a vicious circle.

One of the things that I can give you a clue to – and I don’t know
if you’ve ever heard this – and this is something that’s never
been said on the air before. I’m going to sort of cross some lines
here, but I’m not going to reveal my source, and so that’s the
only thing I can do here to protect the innocent, so to speak.
[laughs]

But Zecharia Sitchin was actually channeling – whether people

want to believe this or not – the Anunnaki, when he was writing
some of his books. This is something that I was told confidentially
by one of our sources.

It just boggles the mind when you take that into account and you
look at the work that he’s done. It does make logical sense
because he’s absolutely been prolific in this particular area.

So one might say that in some ways you have to be in some way
psychically, intuitively, tuned to an era, to a group of people, to
events, and so on, in order to even pursue it, I think, with any
diligence. And so perhaps there is something going on with that
in your own life, but I wanted to throw that out just in case you’d
never heard it.

MT: Yes, thanks Kerry. I appreciate that and that opens a very
important door to me, to be able to tell you that I’ve also
channeled the Anunnaki – not just on my own, but in a whole
group of people, so it’s not just me that can vouch for that.

I was fortunate enough to be visited by a very well known psychic

lady by the name of Jackie that works in Johannesburg. Jackie
brought two groups of people here to Adam’s Calendar during the
course of last year, 2009. Both times she had a channeling which
I was invited to after I told them everything I knew, shared all
my knowledge and information with them, told them what I
believed scientifically and what I believed intuitively and how the
two fit together.

I told them that I believe that the site was built by Enki and that
his youngest son, Dumuzi was buried there as well – and that is,
incidentally, also referred to in great detail, or in some detail in
the Lost Book of Enki and the whole thing of Inanna and Dumuzi
and how she buried him “on the edge of a cliff in the deep Abzu”.

I now believe that one of the sites at Adam’s Calendar is actually

Dumuzi’s grave, and how it’s linked to the Pyramids further in the
valley by a beautiful Golden Mean spiral and so forth.

So I went into this channeling and we actually channeled Enki,

and that’s what I’ll... [Michael’s voice is lost]

KC: Oh wow, you’re breaking up, so I hope I’m not losing you.
This is a fascinating story. Are you back, Michael?

MT: Yes, I’m here. Can you hear me? [phone sounds were very
broken up]

KC: Yes. Well, I think that some of the Powers That Be are
probably not happy with you saying that you guys are channeling
Enki. I think that this is probably true and I thank you very much
for coming forward with that. Have you been talking about this in
any other places of venues?

MT: No, this is the first time I’ve mentioned this anywhere to
anyone.

KC: Wonderful.

MT: So we actually channeled Enki, and he confirmed everything

that I intuitively felt and believed about the site. Adam’s Calendar
was commissioned and built by Enki; Dumuzi is buried there at
the site; and it was built as the flagship and the centerpiece of his
ancient beloved Lost City; and he spoke in that channeling.

I actually have transcripts of that channeling which I can sort of

somehow start making available when the time is right. He talks
about his ancient beloved city “here in the deep Abzu” and how
much he loved it.

And that just also made me realize a few other things, because,
you know, for a while... well, not a while... for quite a long time I
believed that the Anunnaki were these disgusting malicious
people, you know, the humanoids that just abused the Homo
sapiens and so forth – and that suddenly changed. My perception
of that changed and I’m seeing things slightly differently now.

KC: That’s actually very fascinating, I have to say, because in

reading the Lost Book of Enkiand finding out that Sitchin was
indeed channeling, and also because we are going down that road
in Camelot, investigating some of the ETs that are behind the
scenes – both the positive and the negative – in terms of
influencing the Powers That Be to do what they’re doing today...
In other words, this story isn’t over and I think there are clues
way-back-when in terms of what you’re investigating, what
you’re finding out.

The idea is also that there is a lot of confusion around who the
Anunnaki were. There is a confusion with reptilians. There are
people out there that are basically, as you said, they are having
points of view in which, in essence, all the Anunnaki are negative,
this and that and the other.

I, myself, have had a very stunning dream about what in essence

seemed to me to be an Anunnaki. And certainly I didn’t even
believe that there could be beings that were as tall as they have
been purported to be. I know there are skeletons that have been
found around the world... We also interviewed Klaus Dona. Are
you familiar with Klaus Dona, by the way?

MT: I’m not, I must admit, and I feel embarrassed to say that.
I’m not.

KC: No, no; it’s no problem.

MT: I thought I was well informed. [laughs]

KC: [laughs] No, I’m sure you are actually; we can’t all know
everyone. It’s just that Klaus Dona is someone who has been on
the circuit and we have done an interview with him in Vienna.
He’s one of those people doing similar things to what you are, in
terms of ancient archeology that is not accepted by the
mainstream.

We’re going to a break. We’ll be right back on this fascinating

discussion on the other side of the hour.

End of Part 1
Michael Tellinger - Part 2
Whistleblower Radio, 14 January 2010

[Ed note: Normally the transcripts that had any parts in them
that had been difficult for the transcribers to hear were put in
“audibles” in square brackets in red for Bill Ryan to attend to, fix,
then he’d post the transcript; however, due to unexpected
interruptions in the normal working process in Project Camelot,
this normal process was not able to proceed forward, so the
audibles were left in the square brackets.]

Part 2

KERRY CASSIDY (KC): Okay, this is Kerry Cassidy, Project

Camelot Whistleblower Radio, and we are talking to Michael
Tellinger, having a fascinating discussion about... well, actually,
the lost ruins of Enki and the Anunnaki and the early human
civilization, which is a lot earlier than most people are prepared to
accept.

So Michael, are you with me here?

MICHAEL TELLINGER (MT): I'm with you, Kerry.

KC: Great. Well, I've got some very excited people out there, just
listening to you, and hearing the link-ups that you've been
making, indeed with actual channeling and the Anunnaki.

I've got someone over here that's also been writing to me, talking
to me about how excited they are to be getting some validation
on certain subjects regarding the ruins that you have been
discovering. And so I think that that's real exciting, and perhaps
we can take some calls at the last 15 minutes of this hour. Prior
to that, I'd just like to get into more depth with you.

So, basically, you're in a position to be getting more information

a multitude of ways. And I'm wondering, where does Credo
Mutwa fit in with this? Has he been participating, for example, in
the channelings, or was he even instrumental in introducing you
to this woman, Jackie, and so on?

MT: No, not really, Kerry. I went to Credo to present him with a
copy of Adam's Calendar when we first released it just over a
year-and-a-half ago. I spent the day with Credo and I videotaped
our discussion for five hours. I'm about to release that,
incidentally, that video, on my website, www.zuluplanet.com for
those that are interested in Credo and what he has to say. It’s a
fascinating discussion for five hours with Credo and myself, so
that'll be available on zuluplanet.com in the next...

KC: That's very exciting. I can't wait to hear that. And was Credo
in touch with the Anunnaki, or was he in touch with reptilians, or
both? Or what is his take on all of that?

MT: Well, I think he's got probably a broader take than anyone
else I've ever heard of, or that I've ever met or spoken to. We
spoke, you know, in detail about the Anunnaki and so forth.

But the most important thing that came out of that meeting with
Credo was that he confirmed to me that Adam's Calendar was...
he was the first person to confirm to me that Adam's Calendar
was what we thought it was, that it was a very important site on
planet Earth.

He told me – and you'll see that in that interview – he told me

that it's the most sacred site on Earth. The other thing that he
said, he told me that it is where Heaven mated with Mother
Earth. And I didn't understand that at all.

Now, there are two important sites in southern Africa. Adam's

Calendar is one of them; that’s in South Africa, very close to
where I live at the moment. I live in a place called Waterval
Boven, which means “waterfall higher up” or “upper waterfall”,
which is pretty much in the center, in the heart, of one of these
ancient lost cities of Enki. We are surrounded by absolutely
astonishing stone ruins where I am right now.

Then the other ancient important site is in northern Botswana.

It's called the Tsodilo sites – serpent sites. And both of them are
directly linked to the creation of the human race.

Now, I didn't quite understand the link between those two until
quite recently. And what it seems like is that the serpent worship
site in northern Botswana, the Tsodilo site, that is where the
Anunnaki did all their experiments – all their cloning experiments
and messing with the DNA and so forth, until they finally had
what they believed was the fertilized egg or the genetic structure
that they were happy with.

And then it was at Adam's Calendar that the actual insemination

or fertilization process took place, and this was... [laughs] I
mean, you can imagine if you say this to people out there that
haven't been in touch with this kind of material or this research,
they just freak out. You know, they can't deal with it.

KC: [laughs]

MT: So when I take people to Adam's Calendar and I take them

through this sort of two-and-a-half kilometer stretch of the
mountain, and I show them all the stuff, and all the different
elements that fit together... I mean, they're blown away. It’s
truly a life-changing experience, and I think it's a very spiritual
experience, and it raises you to a different level of consciousness
that you never imagined you could go to before.

When you go to the main site, Adam's... the actual Calendar

itself... there's one area in there that is sort of surrounded by
three monoliths that have now fallen down. One of them is a very
Sphinx-looking-like monolith that is now broken – or statue,
should I call it.

And in the middle of those three, which is right in the center on

the north-south dividing line that splits the calendar right down
the middle, right in the center of that is where Jackie and the
other psychic ladies all confirmed that that is where the insertion,
or the actual fertilization process, of the seven Anunnaki birth-
mothers, or birth-females took place. That’s where they were
inseminated and impregnated with the fertilized eggs that then
carried the first homo sapiens.

Now that is when the words of Credo came back to me. That is
where Heaven mated with Mother Earth suddenly had a
completely different meaning. And you can imagine...

KC: Oh, yeah, absolutely fascinating. Well, I am looking at your

site, zuluplanet.com, and I am seeing as you're speaking some of
the photos of the area, which... The landscape is absolutely
stunning, I have to say that as well. So, I think the land itself
must exude some pretty powerful magic; or call it what you will.

MT: Yeah. I had a few people over the past year or so that I've
taken there that are, you know, highly psychic, and they
measured energies there. I mean, they've been there with all
kinds of tools and devices to measure the energy and the ley
lines and so forth. I can tell you that, confirming from at least 20
different people that have been there, there are at least five ley
lines that run right through Adam's Calendar.

KC: Yeah, that's really amazing. I mean, I have to say that I

myself am very drawn to this area, and I have been saying that
Camelot should come down there and film you, and I'm still going
to offer that again. If there are people listening to this show who
want to contribute to our finances to make that possible, you
know, I'm going to go down there and do some filming, because I
think it’s really very interesting.

And there's also an aspect of what you are doing... in other

words, what it means to uncover the real history of humanity, as
opposed to, you know, the lies that we've been told over
centuries and centuries as school children and so on. And what
you're saying in terms of how it changes people.

I do believe that it would change humanity in general if even this

idea were to become to be talked about and accepted in general
on the planet. There would be a different way of looking at, you
know, what it means to be human, and perhaps even affect
things like wars and so on.

MT: Absolutely, and this is why I'm so, you know, passionate
about this discovery and these findings. You said it earlier, this
is... right at the moment, I'm completely and utterly consumed
by this, you know. This is what I do, day in, day out. I don't...
you know, I don't have a job; this is what I do. I wake up in the
morning and I do more research. I go up the mountain and I do
more research and I find things, and then I put pieces of the
puzzle together, and have more material to be able to extrapolate
our theory further.
And this has led to some very, very profound – more connections
that you're not aware of yet that I’d like to bring up – which links
directly into first of all, what Credo Mutwa has been saying, what
Zecharia Sitchin has been writing about. And then also some of
the more scientific people that you've interviewed, like Dan
Burisch, and David Wilcock, and their discoveries and their
findings link directly into this.

This is what I do when I do my presentations and my seminars. I

tell people very clearly that you cannot separate anything from
anything. When you start reading and researching ancient human
history, you've got to be prepared to have a very open mind and
deal with every aspect of everything that you find.

Because the smallest little clue, or the smallest little statement

that somebody makes today that has absolutely no meaning to
you, like: This is where Heaven mated with Mother Earth,you
know, a few weeks or a few years later, suddenly that penny
drops and you go: Oh my God, how would I have been so blind?
This is such an important piece of the puzzle.

Just to tell you, for example, the work that Dan Burisch has been
doing... you mentioned earlier the Lotus Project that he's been
working on. Well, looking at your interviews with him and looking
at his work, I suddenly realized that that is directly and
inextricably linked to these ancient ruins right here, and the
effect that the stones have and had on these structures.

For example, I discovered that the stones used to build these

ruins are at least 50 percent silica dioxide, which is basically
quartz crystal. The rest of it is iron and aluminum. So we’re
dealing with a substance...

And these are very strange stones. This is not an average kind of
stone you pick up on a mountain. These stones were specifically
brought from the river beds – we assume they were brought from
the river beds – because they're all rounded and they look like
stones that have been, you know, well eroded through the work
of water over millions of years.

These stones are a very special consistency of silica dioxide and

iron and aluminum -- which immediately made, you know, the
alarm bells ring very loudly for me, saying: Well, if it’s silica, if it’s
quartz, pretty much 50 percent quartz crystal, if you can call it
that, we're dealing with substances that can hold information,
transfer information, transmit information, conduct all kinds of
energies and so forth.

Then I discovered Dan Burisch's work, where he talks about his

discoveries that silica oxide stones and rocks have this capacity to
transmit or emit these pockets of electromagnetic energy. And
suddenly, you know, you realize: Okay, we're dealing with
something really special here; this all links together.

And not only that, but when he talks about the fact that they
took, you know, he treated yeast cells and brought them back to
life, and they turned into animal cells of sort of unknown origin,
and they could create with crystals spontaneous life, I go: Okay,
hold on. We're not just dealing with an ancient city here; and
gold mining; and the knowledge of levitation and using different
energy, using sound energy to, you know, move things and crush
rock and levitate things and so forth, but we're also dealing with
a very advanced knowledge and understanding of how to
generate life!

KC: Exactly. It sounds like there's a conductive quality that these

sites might actually have, making even possible doing such things
as being in contact with Enki and other beings that are off-planet,
possibly. In other words, it sounds like it could be conductive
material. I do know that with Dan Burisch's work, one of the
things that was very obvious is that there was, as you say, the
ability to create life, or to allow life to come through it...

MT: Yeah.

KC: ...which is an interesting thing. Is that kind of...

MT: Yeah.

KC: ... where you're going with this?

MT: Absolutely. It's so clear to me now that these guys were so

way ahead of where, you know, the way that we think today.
And these structures that we're finding, were not only... You
know, they're different types of structures, and it’s... Again, it
took a long time. It took at least seven years for us to figure this
out, and two-and-a-half years of my personal time to figure out
what these different structures were for, and the different
shapes.

Some of them might have been just energy devices, devices to

generate energy, and then channel it down these ancient roads –
or these channels, which we now call channels – that they
channeled this energy.

And then others were places where they would crush the rock.

And other places where I found these hexagonal shapes, about 3

meters across – maybe not even... two-and-a-half, two to three
meters across – these honeycombed hexagonal-shaped ruins that
are clustered together, always on slopes, on mountain slopes, on
the hillsides, at a very steep angle, which would allow water to
pass through them and then separate the different metals
through vibrational frequency and so forth, and be able to collect
them at the bottom, which would be the easiest way to do that.

But to come back to...

KC: So is it possible they weren't just, in other words... My mind

is going a mile a minute here, and I have to... I'm sorry for
interrupting here, but I'd like to know if it's possible that they
were not only discovering gold, but they were also possibly doing
some transmuting of different metals, even possibly working on
creating gold.

MT: Yep.

KC: That’s one aspect.

MT: Yeah.

KC: And then the other aspect that comes to mind is that with
the power in these stones to actually allow for a certain amount
of, maybe, teleportation? Or something that Boriska, one of our
Indigo children that we interviewed talked about, which was when
people died on Mars, that they were... their souls, or their
essences, were incased in, he called it, in stones, and basically
were brought to Earth.

I'm wondering – and this is really far-fetched-sounding – but I'm

wondering if there was something going on like that. That
perhaps the souls that actually were put into these genetically-
engineered humans were possibly even from, you know, from
their home planet. In other words, possibly even using the bodies
as vehicles. I know this sounds quite far-fetched, but...

MT: Yeah, Kerry, you know, it might sound far-fetched, but it's as
plausible and as possible as anything else we're discussing. And
I'll tell you why, why it may actually just be so.

You might have actually just put your finger on a very important
aspect of this ancient civilization here, because I now believe that
these were not just, you know, dwellings and places for worship,
and places for work, and crushing stone, and separating the ore,
for example, and as you said also, transmutating the metals from
maybe the physical gold to white powder gold and so forth...
um...

Incidentally, that's where I believe the Biblical word “manna”

actually also emanates from here, which was the Nama,
Namaqua, the Sonqua. The Sonqua people lived in a place called
Namaqua. Nama could be the original word, in my opinion, for
what later became manna in the Bible; they just, you know,
twisted it a little bit.

Since this was the place where the first gold in the world came
from, and they were also transmutating it into white powder gold,
it is quite plausible that this was the Namaqua, the land of the
white gold, that in the Bible then became “manna from heaven”.
But I'm digressing a bit here. [laughs]

KC: Oh, right. That does sound logical, I have to say, and follows
some of the work that we've heard from Jordan Maxwell as well.
But go ahead; I'd love to hear the rest.

MT: What I believe as well is that many of these stone circular

structures – now that we know that they are pretty much silica
oxide, very strong crystal abilities – I believe now that many of
these were also cloning tanks. They were actually cloning humans
here en masse. And I'm not talking babies; I'm talking cloning
humans into an adult form.

Because, what you've got to ask yourself is... well, the physical
evidence is here. We have over 10-million stone ruins. So now
you’ve got to start putting the numbers together. Okay, how
many people lived here? As I said earlier, anything between 50-
and 200-million people. You do the sums and, you know,
assumptions yourself.

But let's say that even there were 50-million people. You know,
to breed and to create 50-million people from babies is not going
to happen overnight. And if you want to run gold mines, and you
want people to work in these gold mines, you're going to have to
come up with a very advanced cloning project to create these
people that can work in these gold mines.

So it is now clear to me that we're dealing – because of the

special properties of the silica oxide and the way that they could
generate life, and create spontaneous life, and create...
transmutate... cells from dead yeast cells into live cells, and all
these incredible and weird properties – I believe that many of
these were advanced cloning chambers. They were actually
cloning humans into adult forms.

KC: Yeah that actually makes sense, I have to say. And there's
also an aspect of that that would have been, you know, for... and
this is just... Again, I don't know, obviously what I'm talking
about here, but its amazing how there could be an aspect...
Because Enki and Enlil were famous -- and I do believe that this
element is correct -- for not getting along. And therefore Enki was
also involved in doing things that were perhaps, on a certain
level, secret...

MT: Yep.

KC: ...from what his brother would know.

MT: Yep.
KC: And so, it’s possible, as I said before, that there could be sort
of a teleportation of souls or energy, going into these clones. One
thing that we are getting – and this may sound like a completely
different topic – but we are getting information right now that
there are synthetic beings here on the planet, some of which are
created by our government, and some of which may be returning
that were originally created in the times of Atlantis.

But one of the things that has been told to me by a

whistleblower, is that not only that, we have some dolphin-
human hybrids there were being created in the lab by our
government, in an undersea base. And that these beings were
being inhabited, in essence, by humans that are living now.

In other words, the body is created, and then, very much like the
movie Avatar, that these humans are then inhabiting these
beings, inhabiting their bodies, and then allowing them to do
whatever they need to do. In other words, I don't know, carry out
a war, carry out exploration of space, and so on and so forth. If
the body is destroyed, the human is not.

MT: Yeah.

KC: And so, by the same token, if you take that, and you take
that into the days of the Anunnaki, it’s possible that something
like that might have been going on with them because they were
so advanced. Right?

MT: Yeah, and this is... We've got to maybe spend a bit of time
on this, because this is very important. The kind of lives we live
today in this ridiculously dumbed-down state that we're in as a
species, totally controlled by the media and the drug companies,
and our governments that are just obviously doing everything in
their power to keep us dumbed down and marching like little
soldiers...

We've got to step out of this, this terrible dream and tap into,
plug into, reality – what's been going on, on planet Earth for
millions of years, and what's been going on in the universe for
billions of years. I think it's really exciting that there are people
that are opening up to this and waking up to this reality.
One of these things you mentioned earlier I want to come back
to, which is again, another direct link. You said teleportation, and
etcetera. Well, many of these sites that we found – Adam's
Calendar being one itself – Adam's Calendar is still an active
portal. Okay? And that has been confirmed by a number of
psychics, and not just my friend Jackie and her group, but various
others that I brought there.

It was interesting. I had a team of people, a team of psychics

from twelve different countries – 24 people from twelve different
countries – from New Zealand, Brazil, Germany, Czech Republic,
USA, Canada, China [and] Japan. [laughs] It was quite
astounding, and they were all highly psychic people. When I took
them to Adam's Calendar, Kerry, it was like watching a bunch of
5-year-olds let loose in a candy store! [laughs] It was quite
incredible.

KC: [laughs] I can imagine, I have to say.

MT: They gave me so much information! I felt like a sponge. I

just stood there. I should have shared with them everything I
knew and everything I felt, and they just gave back. And they
just gave me all this information that they could feel and pick up
and psychically, intuitively, feel. So I learned so much from that
particular group.

But just to come back to your teleportation: Adam's Calendar is

an active portal. That I know. And we've seen some very strange
things there over the last few years that are really weird. The
magnetic and the energy fields there are absolutely weird – GPS
does not work at all inside the Adam's Calendar circle; it just goes
completely haywire. Makes no reason why it should do that, and
then a few meters outside of it, it works absolutely perfectly.

So that seems to confirm that there is a weird activity going on

there. And then various other sites, stone circle sites that I've
found are also active portals. That I've been told by some psychic
people.

And this is another interesting thing that directly links to the work
of David Wilcock. I know in his work he talks about the Montauk
Project, and you've interviewed various people on that as well.
They talk about the Montauk “chair”, the chair that they reverse-
engineered, and they found that it had 22 frequencies – 22
specific frequencies out of which all the other frequencies
emanated.

Well, that's exactly the direction that my research is going in as

well. And this 22 is becoming a very important number, because
22 is... In my new book that I'm working on with an absolutely
brilliant scientist, and he's obviously channeled from the highest
level. His name is [phonetic spelling] ‘Vilim deSwart’, and we’re
busy finishing a new book called The Secret Numbers of
God, which I think is going to just also open up a whole new
chapter and door to understanding how all these things fit
together.

‘Vilim’ has pretty much decoded the entire universe: All the
sacred geometry numbers, how it works, and why it works, and
how it links to the Source, or God, and created the link between
space-time and time-space, and how it works with a singularity.
He unpacks this so beautifully and so simply with basic geometry
that you actually go: How have we missed this all these years? It
is so simple!

Well, he's also unpacked the fact that, you know, 22 is a very
important number. Twenty-two is actually the number which
describes how we interconnect with the Divine. And that there are
22 images or patterns that actually describe the Infinite in a
limited world, or the 3-D time of God, or the Creator, the Creative
Source... how it transmits and how it manifests itself in the
physical world, in 3-D space. There are 22 patterns and 22
images.

So this is all important.

So now we've got the Montauk chair, that has got 22 frequencies.
We've got our new work, specifically ‘Vilim deSwart’s’ work that
shows that there are 22 images and patterns and frequencies
that pull all this together.

And we have, guess what? In these cloning chambers where I

believe the Anunnaki cloned the human race – and millions and
millions of them – guess what we have? We have silica oxide
crystal-like rocks that had the capacity to generate life. Okay?
And guess how many chromosomes the early humans had?
Twenty-two pairs of chromosomes. Okay? The 23rd is a sex
chromosome, the X and the Y, that were slapped on there later
once they wanted us to procreate on our own.

So there's a very direct link in all of this; and I believe also the
research going on with the DNA and the chromosomes and how
they are receptors of light and information – transmitters and
receptors of information and light, and all these things. I believe
that in there lies the secret to teleportation itself, that your
chromosomes, and these 22 chromosomes, and the 22
frequencies are responsible for allowing us to teleportate, or
travel through space-time, and time-space.

KC: Oh, wonderful. This is so great!

Okay, we're continuing on the other side of the hour, we're going
to break right now, and thank you so much, Michael Tellinger,
we'll be right back.

[break]

KC: …on the air with Michael Tellinger, this is Project Camelot
Whistleblower Radio.

Okay, Michael, so we’re going off down the rabbit hole [laughs]
and we’re…

MT: Yeah.

KC: …talking about teleportation at this moment, and the number

22 and how that factors in with the fact that these stones are
silicon – basically crystals for all intents and purposes; and that
they may indeed… that you’ve got a portal operating there.

You’re talking about in some ways almost what seems to be –

and this is sort of, maybe a corny way of putting it – but a direct
telephone line between this planet, via the Adam’s Calendar and
that area of the globe, back to wherever the Anunnaki originally
came from.
MT: Yeah, it certainly seems like that, Kerry. And the more you
look at it, the more it rings true. And that’s just incredible, you
know.

I wish I could play to you right now the ringing sounds of some of
these rocks; it has such an effect on people. I’m coming back to
the sound effect now, and just also the important moment that I
felt when it suddenly broke for me that this is what’s happening
here, that sound was used to create these devices, that sound
was used for the energy, that sound…

Also remember that Dan Burisch’s work – he suggests very

strongly that this spontaneous generation of life, the cells that
they created in his Project Lotus, and the reconstitution of dead
yeast cells came as a result of some sort of audio or sound
frequency.

Everything that we study... even in the Bible, it says, you

know: In the beginning there was the Word, and the Buddhists
believe in the Om as this primordial creative force, the sound, the
Om. And then you realize that the Om has six aspects, and six
frequencies that make up the central aspect of Om, the six
around the one – the six days of creation, and the seventh one is
in the middle, and so forth.

And these are all linked to vibrational frequencies in music, if you

understand that. And then you get the 12 spheres around the
one, you know, which is the 12 disciples around Christ. And all
these things.

Those are all images, imagery of vibrational energies and

frequencies that many people still haven’t figured out yet; and
this is how it all fits together so beautifully. When you start
putting it together, it just starts to fit like a glove! Everything
seems to work, and everything fits.

And this is what is so incredible with the work that I’m doing with
‘Vilim deSwart’ and his absolute clarity on unpacking all this stuff,
and showing how 3-D time transmutates into 3-D space; and how
it all works so easily and so simply. And then when we compare it
to the structures we have here, [laughs] and you just go: Okay…
Exactly what you said: we’re looking at an ancient site that was
directly connected to the rest of the universe. They could come
and go as they wanted. They could create life. They used the 22
basic frequencies of light or sound or whatever it is that you want
to call it, the primordial frequencies, that can create life and give
you the ability to go from 3-D Time to 3-D space, and so forth.

KC: And we’re also talking about the idea being that in essence –
and this is something Camelot has been also sort of exploring and
tapping into – which is the idea that we are all time travelers, in
essence.

MT: Yeah.

KC: And that this capability is built into our bodies.

MT: Yeah.

KC: It’s built into our… the abilities that we have that we have
forgotten that we have.

MT: Yes. And I think it’s linked to the fact that we’ve got these 22
chromosomes. Once again, originally it seems like we had 24
pairs of chromosomes, but two of them were fused. Chromosome
2 and chromosome 4, if I remember correctly now, were fused at
some stage, you know, early, back in time. Now, who would have
fused it? You know?

So, if you come back to the concept of cloning and creating a

humanoid species that can become a time traveler, by the
Anunnaki, cloned by the Anunnaki, they would have… And if it is
indeed so, which I believe it was, that they took a species that
already existed and they just messed with the DNA and they
created a new, more advanced structure for a being that could do
all these things, they fused two of the chromosomes so that we
ended up with 22 chromosomes.

So, they could create them, or they could suck this energy out of
the ether and create these humans on Earth to, you know, do
menial work for them initially. But also later the species evolved
into you and I that are now discussing all these weird things.
And…
KC: Right. Well, I think that there is some aspects of this which…
Obviously there are millions of aspects that we’re tapping on
here, but the idea of fusing chromosomes, and actually we get
into the “junk DNA”, the aspect that there was a point at which
humans were interfered with to basically stop their development,
to dumb them down, to keep them on this prison planet – in
essence you could even say where the souls might have gotten
locked into the bodies, losing their connection with the Source,
and so on and so forth.

MT: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

KC: There could be aspects of that that you’re actually tapping

into there.

MT: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I’m not sure how one can describe it.
But I think you put it very clearly. There were definitely aspects
of it, and there’s a lot of evidence that we’ve been dumbed down,
and we’re stuck on this prison planet. Some of us are tapping into
higher levels of awareness and consciousness and allowing our
DNA to…

Fortunately, whoever it was, whether it was malicious Anunnaki

or malicious other beings that did that dumbing down, fortunately
it’s very difficult to keep the DNA dumbed down. Because as we
now know – you know this well – our DNA allows itself to keep
evolving, and to keep improving and keep upgrading itself. And
Bruce Lipton shows that very clearly himself in his work.

KC: Yeah, so this is more work that David Wilcock has been, you
know, pointing to. If nothing else, he is basically joining dots that
other scientists have come across.

MT: Yeah.

KC: And so we are talking about a whole sort of transmutation

even of the human species, at this point.

MT: Yeah. And I want to come back a little bit, if I may, to some
of the statements that are also made about this ancient
civilization in The Lost Book of Enki. Because it talks about, you
know, Enki building his “beloved city”, and also, by the way, this
is what came out in my channeling with Enki. That came out and
he mentions this “beloved city”, and how much he loved it, and
how he loved the people.

This is, again, very consistent with the translations of the

Sumerian tablets and the constant tussle between Enlil and Enki.
The way he spoke, and the way that the entity that came through
the channeling spoke and referred to this place here, and the
energy forms, and the energy that they used... when I first heard
it, I didn’t understand it. It took me another six months or so to
try and figure it out, and understand what the hell he was talking
about.

But he spoke about the circular, the concentric cities, the cities
they built in concentric circles, and that went out. And that’s
exactly... when you look at the structures down here, everything
is built in concentric circles. And that’s just absolutely amazing.

KC: Wow. We are going to so many different areas here, and I

have to thank you for being willing to go down all these different
paths.

Obviously, as you say, you need to have an extraordinarily open

mind to be dealing with what you’re dealing with, to be
entertaining all the possibilities there. And I have to say that I
think it’s fascinating how this area of the world has even been
overlooked, and more or less ignored, and perhaps that’s been
purposeful.

MT: Maybe, exactly – purposeful. And maybe there was a good

reason for it, because just imagine if this kind of information was
unleashed 50 years ago; it would have just been shoved under
the carpet.

But now, because of people like you and Bill, and other projects
of a similar nature exposing lost ancient knowledge, and of higher
consciousness and higher developed civilizations that we have
forgotten about as a dumbed-down species, this allows us now to
take this knowledge and actually do something with it, to take
this information and share it on a much larger platform that we
may not have had 10 or 20 or 30 years ago. It would have been
lost, and probably lost for another, much longer period.

KC: As well as to possibly communicate across large distances

with the original Creators, who, some will say who are still here.
Some are actually on the planet now, from what I understand.

If you listen to Clark McClelland, you’ll hear him talk about seeing
some very, very tall beings that were interacting on the NASA
Space Shuttle and so on and so forth, apparently giving orders of
some kind. So there is a secret level to this that goes all the way
into the negative side of the equation and what is really going on
behind the scenes.

It may be that we are awakening, or that you are awakening

down there, a connection with the more positive side, the
positively-oriented intentions for the human race originally, and
opening some of those doors once and for all here. And so I have
to applaud you for all of your efforts, and for your wonderful
enthusiasm in this area.

What I would like to do is take calls from the listeners, because

this has been extremely exciting, I think, radio, very
extraordinary, where things are being discussed that are really
groundbreaking. So if we do have callers, feel free to call in.

The phone number is on our website,

on www.ProjectCamelot.org, and also on the MicroEffect.com, if
you go to that website and you want to find the call-in number.

But to continue, perhaps you can also talk about a little bit more
of what you’re finding out, just in terms of this area and these
really exciting things that you’re discovering. Maybe even more of
the channeled information that you’ve been getting… I can’t even
imagine what you may be asking, or tapping into there.

MT: Yeah, Kerry, I’ve been very fortunate to also… People from
all over the world e-mail me, and it’s just growing at an
exponential rate at this stage, so I’ve been also very fortunate in
people sharing their specific talents and gifts with me.

One of them is a chap in America. I’m not going to mention his

name, but he sent me some channeled information and some
remote viewing transcripts that he had of coming to South Africa
about 280,000 years ago, and describing the gold mines of South
Africa under those early Anunnaki and early settlement days.
They are absolutely staggering. It is mind-blowing stuff. You
actually... when you read it, you feel as if you are here.

The other information, the channeled information, that I was

given was that I was here over 200,000 years ago. I was part of
this. I cannot now remember if I was one of the Anunnaki or if I
was one of the sort of Earthling slaves, or what my function was.
That wasn’t quite clear. I need to go back and channel that
information again. But that is probably why I’m so obsessed with
bringing this information out.

And then, the other interesting thing I want to come back to, if I
can very quickly, is the confusion that exists between the
Anunnaki and possibly the Draco and the Lizard people and the
Reptilians and Orion or the Talls. I certainly have not been able to
draw any clear distinction between those, because they do cross
over on many occasions.

And even here at Adam’s Calendar, we have distinct alignments

with Orion’s Belt. Also just to mention for your listeners what I
didn’t mention, we have the first carved Sphinx, the first carved
Horus stone. We have the first Pyramids, and these are going
back to 280,000 years, okay? This is not just a few thousand
years ago.

So this is all linked to Adam’s Calendar, and very beautifully

linked with a Fibonacci and a Golden Mean spiral, clearly showing
us that these people had a clear understanding of energy and the
flow of energy, and clearly a lot more things than just that.

So we’re dealing with the origins of all these symbols. Plus also
the ankh, what we believe to be the Egyptian ankh. The ankh is
actually a Southern African, a South African symbol that came
from this first civilization here in South Africa. And I believe the
ankh to have been the source of the frequency, the vibrational
frequencies that were used to kick-start these cloning tanks,
these mining processing plants, the teleportation chambers, and
whatever.
The ankh was the frequency that got it all going. It was like a
key, like a tuning fork that got all these things going. And this is
where the ringing stones come into play.

KC: [laughs] It really, really is extraordinary. I mean, what you’re

talking about is just so actually mind-blowing and mind-
expanding. You know, Mike, we have some people calling in and I
do want to give them a chance to ask their questions.

MT: Yeah, let’s go ahead.

KC: So if you wouldn’t mind, I’m going to take Holly, it looks like
from Virginia, who is on the line. Holly, are you there?

HOLLY: Yes, I’m here.

KC: Okay, hello there. And you’re welcome to ask Michael a

question.

HOLLY: Okay. This is not a question, but actually a comment.

What you have described is really similar to what I read from the
book The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life by Drunvalo
Melchizedek. And I have been a fan of Project Camelot. The first
time when I heard the interview with Bob Dean and what he said,
that human was really genetically engineered by the Anunnaki, I
said: Oh, I have read this from the book “The Ancient Secret of
the Flower of Life,” and it has been described in detail there. And
now, when I listen to you … I plan to go and buy the book The
Slave Species of God. But from what you have said it is really
similar of what…

KC: Okay.

HOLLY: …Drunvalo Melchizedek said. And I think that this is really

like something true here, because I’m also like… follow this very
closely, and I can say that a lot of information are coming
together. This is really something true, not something that people
make up or anything. So I’m really excited. And now that I feel
that you are like talking with those psychics and then have a lot
of information, I’m really like excited and looking forward to hear
about those things.
So when are you going to publish or let us know about the things
that the psychics have told you?

MT: All right. If I could answer that... thank you very much. The
one thing that I have not mentioned at all in this interview for
two hours [laughs] is that my new book has just been released.
It’s called Temples of the African Gods and it’s available on
zuluplanet.com. You can order the hardcover book, or you can
even download the e-book if you want it immediately.

We’ve only printed 3,000 copies of the book because that’s all I
could afford. So I’d like to sell those online as quickly as I can so
we can get some money to print some more, because… KC:
That’s absolutely wonderful. And thank you, caller. I will go to the
next caller now. And Michael, you know, I’m definitely going to be
one of those people downloading your e-book. That’s really
exciting. All of your research is absolutely fascinating, and I will
be very interested in hearing about your next book even after
this.

Janet from New Jersey I believe is calling in. And are you on the
line, Janet?

JANET: Hi, Kerry. Hi, Michael.

KC: Hi there.

MT: Hello, Janet.

JANET: What you’re saying, Michael, is just fabulous. I have a

question about the Anunnaki. You claim that, or you suppose,
that they made the human beings, the angelic human beings.
Well, Anna Hayes from the Voyager Series says pretty much
everything you say, except she claims that they did not make the
angelic humans – us – they made the Neanderthal. What do you
think about that?

MT: I don’t think that they made the angelic beings. Personally,
at this stage, where my knowledge lies at the moment, I’m of the
opinion that they just made the Homo sapiens, not necessarily
the Neanderthals, but the Homo sapiens.
But it could be the Neanderthals as well, because we’re dealing
with another species down here in South Africa called the Boskop,
the Boskopoid humans
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granger-big-brain-boskops-2008.html ], that is a huge mystery to
historians, archaeologists, anthropologists. They have no idea
where they fit in, but they definitely fit into the Neanderthal kind
of humanoid. And they could have actually been the “First People”
that were cloned. It’s quite possible.

One of the great mysteries in all of this, and this is mind-

blowing... Imagine we’ve got this huge ancient city that covers
the whole of Southern Africa. It never stopped. It just went on
and on and on, and we have not found a single skeleton. Now,
that is a huge, huge mystery. You know, you’d imagine we’d be
finding…

KC: Yeah, actually I was going to ask you that. I was actually
going to ask you that when I think we went to break, and I was
mentioning the work of Klaus Dona, because there have been
large skeletons discovered in various other places around the
planet. But it’s very interesting to hear that you have not
recovered any large skeletons in that area that you’re talking
about.

MT: No, nothing. I must tell you that after, what, seven years of
trying to get some sort of engagement from the South African
government, we finally have an open door. I’ve been invited to do
a presentation to SAHRA – the South African Heritage Resource
Authority – on the fifth of February. I’m doing a presentation to
all the stakeholders: tourism and archaeology and heritage, and
the parks board people and so forth. I’m presenting all this
research and information to them.

The woman that runs it here in the Mpumalanga Province is so

excited about it, and she’s become, I suppose, if I can call her the
champion – Nkosazana Machete
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PALAEONTOLOGY UNTT OF THE HERITAGE RESOURCES AGENCY.
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Provincial Office (Mrs. Nkosazana Machete:
...www.eskom.co.za/.../501096%20-
%20Comments%20from%20SAHRA.pdf]. And I hope that with
her support and help now we can finally get the ears of the
government and start getting some funding.

I must tell you as well, I mean, you mentioned the

word funding earlier. At this stage, all this research, and the
foundation that we’ve set up, called the MaKomati Foundation –
and that’s another website listeners can go to – but all the
funding that comes into the foundation has come out of Johan
Heine’s pocket and my personal pocket. So we could certainly do
with a little bit of donation from people that can afford a few
bucks.

You know, go on to the MaKomati website, and if you can, help us

so that we can go out and do some more research.

KC: Absolutely!

MT: Otherwise, buy the book! [laughs] Buy the book so I can sell
some books so I can do some more research!

KC: Well, you know, that would be wonderful, and we would love
to encourage people to do that. And thank you, caller, we’ll go to
the next caller after this. But what I would like to say is, the
MaKomati, could you spell that for the listeners?

MT: Yes. It’s M A K O M A T I. M A K O M A T I.

It’s www.Makomati.org , actually. We just changed it to
Makomati.org, because it’s an organization, a non-profit
organization, a foundation, for the preservation, the
maintenance, and research on these ancient ruins.

And on that website you’ll see some beautiful photographs as

well. And there’s a donation button that you can go to. So…

KC: Wonderful. [Michael starts to speak / overtalk] Go ahead.

MT: Sorry... you wanted to take some more callers? If you want
to take some more…
KC: No, Well, if there was anything specific you wanted to cover,
because we do only have five minutes left. So if there’s
something specific you wanted to say.

MT: Very briefly, we have… I mentioned earlier, we have a very

distinct link to Orion’s Belt, Orion rising, so that Orions, or the
Talls, as some of your previous guests have also called them.

We also have a distinct link to various other star systems, like

Draco, very distinct link to Draco, and Tuban.

And therein lies a slight conflict, between the Draco, the

Draconians, and the lizard people, and then the Nordic or the
Talls, or possibly the Anunnaki. I’m not quite sure how the two fit
and how they cross over. I haven’t yet figured that out, and I
hope to get more clarity on that in the very near future because it
has become quite confusing, because they constantly overlap.

KC: Yeah. And I think we’re also talking about different times,
and different timelines, that may be …

MT: Yeah.

KC: …converging in the same area. Because you can’t have time
travelers who are in essence able to also cover different
timelines. And so you’ve got different beings that may have had
an impact, even on the creation of humanity, and so on, and had
their impact at different times in the process.

MT: Yeah. Yeah.

KC: So, I guess you’re tapping into all of that. We’re about to
actually close down here, and I’m very sorry that we didn’t get a
chance to get to the other callers.

Michael, this has been a wonderful, illuminating discussion, I

think, for all of the people out there, and for myself. I really want
to thank you so much for coming on the radio show today.

I do want to stay in touch with you. I’d love to take a trip down,
have Project Camelot do some filming and interview you down
there in person, and really get into this even on a deeper level. I
think that’d be fabulous. So we’d love people to contribute to that
effort as well.

Please buy Michael’s books, and let’s… [closing music over-rides

Kerry’s voice]

End of Part 2