Postol Debunks Kaszeta PDF
Postol Debunks Kaszeta PDF
Postol Debunks Kaszeta PDF
From: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 12:24 AM
To: Dan Kaszeta
Cc: Richard Lloyd
Subject: Questions About a Physics-based Analysis That Shows That Hexamine Could Not Possibly Be
Used in the Production of Sarin
Dear Mr. Kaszeta
As you know, Dick and I have been looking at issues associated with the mixing, manufacture, and
production of the nerve agent sarin. We have done quite a bit of work on this and have not been able to
confirm the technical accuracy of your conclusion that a sample of hexamine that was found by the UN in
the aftermath of the August 21, 2013 nerve agent attack in Damascus indicates a “smoking gun” that shows
the sarin was manufactured by the Syrian government.
We have reviewed numerous documents and scientific papers that contain information about the fabrication
of sarin and have found absolutely no references to the use of hexamine in the manufacture or
maintenance of sarin: A short, and hardly complete, list of these documents is as follows:
1. Handbook of Chemical and Biological Warfare Agents, D. Hank Ellison
2. Compendium of the Iraq’s Proscribed Weapons Programs in the Chemical, Biological and
Missile Areas, United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC),
June 2007
3. Stability of Iraq’s CW stockpile, CIA, 071596_CIA_72569_72569_01.
4. Chemical Warfare Agents: Chemistry, Pharmacology, Toxicology, and Therapeutics, edited by
James A. Romano, Brian J. Lukey and Harry Salem, CRC Press, (2008).
5. Monitoring Chemicals with Possible Chemical Weapons Applications, Fact Sheet 7,
(Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons)
6. Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq’s WMD, 30 September 2004,
Charles Duelfer.
7. Chemical Weapons Technology, US Department Of Defense, Office of the under Secretary Of
Defense for Acquisition and Technology, February 1998.
8. A Laboratory History of Chemical Warfare Agents, Jared Ledgard
9. Technical Aspects of Chemical Weapon Proliferation, from Technologies Underlying Weapons
of Mass Destruction, OTA, 934408.
Because we were unable to find any references to use of hexamine in the production and storage of sarin
we decided to do our own review of the plausibility that hexamine could be used as an acid scavenger in
the manufacture of sarin.
Our conclusions is that it is physically impossible to dissolve enough hexamine, even if it were desirable, or
chemically possible, to substitute hexamine for isopropylamine to scavenge the acid product of the
reactants Methylphosphonyl difluoride and isopropyl alcohol. The only possible way this conclusion could
be wrong is if it were possible to dissolve at least 37 percent by weight hexamine in isopropanol. The
information we have suggests that the solubility of hexamine in isopropyl alcohol is likely between five and
Fraudulent Claims Made by Dan Kaszeta Page 3 of 44 Pages
50 times smaller than the required 37 percent by weight. If you can provide a technical reference that
shows otherwise we would greatly appreciate the reference.
The analysis that leads to this very strong conclusion is outlined in the six slides below. We will briefly
describe the contents of each of the slides and invite you to review them so you understand the basis for
this strong conclusion.
Slide number one shows the two chemical reactions that are critical for the production of stable sarin. The
chemical reaction shown at the top of the slide simply shows the products of the reaction between
Methylphosphonyl difluoride and isopropyl alcohol. The products are sarin and hydrogen fluoride. As you
well know, the hydrogen fluoride has a powerful effect on sarin causing it to be transformed into other far
less lethal byproducts. As such, one of the very important additional reactions needed to produce military
grade sarin is the use of a chemical that removes the hydrogen fluoride molecules.
This is achieved by adding 28 percent by weight isopropylamine in isopropanol. The chemistry reactions
that occur with this substitution are shown in the second chemical equation in slide one.
Slide two shows the source that describes the amount of isopropylamine needed to adequately scavenge
the resulting hydrogen fluoride from the sarin. The source is solid, as it is a US government document that
is produced for individuals who handle and work with chemical agents.
Slide three shows how very elementary chemical reasoning leads to the conclusion that roughly 0.4 moles
of isopropyl amine are required per mole of isopropanol in order to remove the HF that is produced along
with the sarin. This indicates that each isopropylamine molecule is in reactions that lead to roughly 2.5
fluorine’s being removed from the bath of chemical products. This is an important result.
We have not been unable to find any papers that describe hexamine reacting with hydrogen fluoride or
being dissolved in isopropanol in order to function as an acid scavenger. However, we have found one
reference to a paper that was published in the Journal Of Canadian Research in 1950. The reference is
described as reporting that between one and four fluorine’s can be picked up by a hexamine molecule.
There is no information about under what conditions this occurs, but as you will see, this particular detail
plays no role in determining that hexamine cannot possibly be an acid scavenger in the production of sarin.
Slide four shows a simple ansatz that shows the minimum amount of hexamine that would have to be
dissolved in isopropanol for the hexamine to work as an adequate acid scavenger.
If one makes the heroic assumption that each hexamine can in fact remove four fluorine atoms from the
product chain, then it would require 0.25 moles of hexamine for each mole of fluorine to be removed. The
molecular weight of hexamine is quite high, roughly 140 grams per mole, which leads to the conclusion that
any mixture of isopropanol and hexamine that can function as a scavenger must contain at least 35 grams
of hexamine per mole of isopropanol. This leads to the conclusion that the hexamine would have to be 37
percent by weight soluble in isopropanol.
Slide five shows the only solubility data we have been able to obtain for hexamine in ethanol, methanol,
and acetone. One of the industrial processes for manufacturing isopropanol is simply to hydrogenate
acetone, which is chemically very close to isopropanol (see slide 6). The solubility of hexamine and
acetone is roughly 6/10 of one percent by weight. Even if the hydrogenation of acetone drastically changed
its solubility characteristics, the best case where there is information is methanol, which at best could
dissolve seven percent by weight hexamine. I suspect that the solubility of hexamine in isopropanol has
not been reported because the solubility is so low, but I would be surprised if there is not a source of
solubility data somewhere.
If you think you can point me to a scientific paper that lists the solubility of hexamine in isopropanol, the
matter would be completely settled that hexamine cannot possibly be used in the manufacture of sarin
unless hexamine has a drastically higher solubility in isopropanol.
This is extremely unlikely to be the case.
Dr Postol
Thanks for this. A lot for me to consider and digest. I will send a more detailed reply within a
few days.
Dan Kaszeta
From: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 1:27 PM
To: Dan Kaszeta
Cc: Richard Lloyd
Subject: Follow-Up On Questions About a Physics-based Analysis That Shows That Hexamine Could Not
Possibly Be Used in the Production of Sarin
June 13, 2014
Dear Mr. Kaszeta:
Fraudulent Claims Made by Dan Kaszeta Page 8 of 44 Pages
This is just a reminder that I am looking forward to receiving the technical information about my query of
last week on the solubility of hexamine in isopropanol and how the Syrian manufacturing process must be
altered to use hexamine rather than isopropyl amine.
Since my last note to you, I have done a lot more research on how or whether hexamine could be used as
a practical acid scavenger in the production of sarin.
It is now clear that hexamine has limited solubility in isopropyl alcohol. This means that the only way of
using it as an acid scavenger would be to use considerable volumes of hexamine saturated isopropanol
solution and then remove the excess isopropanol from the remaining mixture of sarin and excess
isopropanol. My initial “guesstimate” is that the volume of isopropanol in the end product will be perhaps 5
to 10 times larger than would be the case in the process that uses isopropyl amine.
As I have not received any information from you about the solubility of hexamine in isopropyl alcohol, nor
have I received any information about the fluorine capacity of hexamine, these estimates must be
considered approximate. However, it is now clear that a manufacturing process of sarin that uses
hexamine will have a very substantial additional set of processes to remove large volumes of isopropanol
from a relatively dilute solution of sarin.
In spite of a very determined effort, including consulting with an old college friend who is now an
internationally known organic chemist, I have not been able to find any technical information on the
solubility of hexamine in isopropyl alcohol. One possibility is that hexamine is not soluble in isopropyl
alcohol and hence, there is no solubility number reported for it.
I have done a fairly careful review of the chemistry literature on the phenomenology of the solubility of
organic compounds in organic solvents, and have concluded that it is likely that hexamine has a solubility in
isopropyl alcohol similar to that in ethanol and methanol. The analysis follows traditional chemical analysis
of material solubility.
Basically the assumption is that the “Polarity Index” of a fluid is an important indicator of the potential
solubility of a material in a solution. The polarity Index for water is 9, with essentially all other relevant
molecules having lower electrical dipole moments. There are additional differences that can be important –
since alcohols have an OH complex that increases the effects of hydrogen bonding that influence the
solubility of materials.
So, for example acetone, which is extremely close in chemical structure to isopropanol, has a hexamine
solubility of only 0.65 percent. However, Isopropanol which simply adds a hydrogen bond to the oxygen in
acetone and a hydrogen atom to the adjacent carbon atom could potentially have a much higher solubility
due to the introduction of an OH radical, perhaps five percent hexamine by weight. If this is correct, it
would essentially be due to the conversion of the double bonded oxygen to an OH radical. This,
uncertainty, of course will be resolved when I get solubility data for hexamine in isopropanol from you.
The following data shows both the polarity Index and the solubility by weight percentage of hexamine in
various solvents:
Solubility by
Molecule Polarity Index Weight Percent
Water 9 89.5 @ 20ºC
Chloroform 4.1 13.4
Ethanol 5.2 2.9
Methanol 5.1 7.2
Isopropanol 3.9 ??
Acetone 5.1 0.65
Xylene 2.5 0.1
trichloroethylene 1 0.1
Most Other Solvents Immiscible
Fraudulent Claims Made by Dan Kaszeta Page 9 of 44 Pages
Since the alcohols form a special class of solvent due to the hydrogen bonding from the OH radical, we can
make a “guess” for the solubility by weight of hexamine in isopropanol. We can then adjust our conclusions
when we get the actual solubility information I requested from you in my earlier email. I will assume five
percent solubility, but I understand the number could be different.
As shown in the email I sent you on June 6, assuming each hexamine molecule can scavenge 4 fluorine
ions, then hexamine would have to be soluble to 37 percent by weight.
Under the assumption that hexamine is only five percent soluble in isopropyl alcohol, and each hexamine
molecule can scavenge 4 fluorine atoms from the mixture, means that the volume of five percent hexamine
in isopropyl alcohol needed for the industrial production of sarin would be roughly 7 (37/5~7). If the
hexamine molecule can only scavenge 3 fluorine atoms, then the ratio of isopropyl alcohol to sarin after the
scavenging step goes to about 9 (44/5~9). If hexamine can scavenge only 2 fluorine’s, the ratio of
isopropanol to sarin in the end product would then be roughly 11 (54/5~11).
So, under the assumption of five percent solubility of hexamine in isopropanol we get a volume ratio of
between seven and nine of isopropanol to sarin in the final product solution.
If we then assume that hexamine is only 2.5 percent soluble by weight in isopropanol, the ratios of
isopropanol to sarin in the final product double. If, instead, the solubility of hexamine in isopropanol is 10
percent, the ratio of isopropanol to sarin in the final product is half of what we estimated relative to the 5
percent solubility of hexamine in isopropanol.
Thus, there are several critical pieces of information, that we need from you to provide scientific verification
for your statement that the presence of hexamine in a single sample taken by the UN following the attack of
August 21, 2014, is a “smoking gun” that the sarin came from the Syrian government.
To summarize, these pieces of data are:
1. We need a scientific reference that provides us with the solubility of hexamine in isopropanol.
2. We need a scientific reference that provides us with the number of fluorine’s that can be expected to be
scavenged per molecule of hexamine.
3. We need an explanation of what mass production processes are evident in Syria’s sarin production
methods that would indicate steps to remove very large amounts of excess isopropanol associated with the
use of hexamine, rather than isopropyl amine in the production of sarin.
As you are an expert with decades of experience in the area of chemical weapons, we assume you should
be able to provide this information relatively quickly.
We look forward to receiving the scientific references.
Best regards, Ted Postol and Richard Lloyd.
From: Dan Kaszeta
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 2:30 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Richard Lloyd ; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Follow-Up On Questions About a Physics-based Analysis That Shows That Hexamine Could
Not Possibly Be Used in the Production of Sarin
Dr. Postol and Dr. Lloyd
I apologize that my reply is delayed. I have a regular consulting job and clients that I must do
work for, so my efforts in this regard have to be shoe‐horned around other things.
The scientific reference I found regarding hexamine and HF is here, citing that a mol of
hexamine can bind up to 4 mols of who in turn cites a Russian source:
http://etheses.dur.ac.uk/6562/1/6562_3865.PDF?UkUDh:CyT ‐ Not being fully convinced of
Fraudulent Claims Made by Dan Kaszeta Page 10 of 44 Pages
this based on one document, I ran the basic concept past 5 chemists (2 with established
chemical warfare agent careers) and an engineer well versed in Sarin chemistry, all of whom
concurred with this basic finding, as amine‐acid reactions seem to be well understood in
general, even if this particular permutation is not often written about.
I will synopsize my thinking, but please understand that I am working on a more detailed
paperto send back to you. Let me synopsize my thinking, however.
The following factors are significant:
‐ Ever since I saw detailed photographs of the rocket remnants, I have pretty well figured that
the devices were not designed for in‐flight mixing as that is actually quite hard to do, as
demonstrated by the difficulties in the US M687 program, which I have studied in depth.
‐ Having seen your calculations, I can no longer support a hypothesis that a useful amount of
hexamine was somehow dissolved in isopropanol in a Volcano rocket. You are completely right.
The numbers do not work.
‐ Because the munition was not designed for in‐flight mixing, the DF and isopropanol had to be
combined before‐hand.
‐ The OPCW's documentation clearly states that Sarin was not kept on hand in Syria, but was
kept as binary components.
‐ Without some acid reduction step, it seems unlikely that Sarin heavily contaminated with HF
was going to last very long.
‐ US experience with mechanical methods for reducing HF were largely a failure, necessitating a
complete change in production path to a method resulting HCl as the residual in order to allow
for a complex heavy‐industry distillation process at great effort and expense. The DF +
Isopropyl process was not used, as I am sure you know, for the many thousands of tons of Sarin
made for the "unitary"/filled munition stockpile that the US amassed. This appears to not be
the case in Syria, and seems to not be the case because of the lack of degradation products of
the precursors used in the US method.
‐Much hexamine was present in the field samples. It was concomitant with the Sarin and/or the
immediate degradation products of Sarin in all of the places where a pool or droplet of liquid
may have been present. The one exception was in a head scarf (no Sarin, only degradation
products, no hexamine), which leads me to believe that head scarf had a significant vapor
exposure but not a liquid exposure.
‐ There's no mention of any HF‐Hexamine salts or complexes, the expected cocktail of
hexamine+ 1 to 4 HF molecules, in the field results. But the hexamine is there nonetheless. This
has bothered me and others for a while.
‐ 80 tons of hexamine were declared as a component of the Syrian chemical warfare
manufacturing program, a quantity seemingly difficult to justify for other reasons, as you have
so clearly stated that published uses of hexamine, apart from obsolete uses for WW1‐era
Levinstein mustard stabilization or as an impregnating agent to protect against phosgene
exposure.
‐ An OPCW staffer in a hearing to the US congress, suggested hexamine as an acid reducer.
‐ OPCW documents and media reports both talk extensively of destruction of filling and mixing
apparatus, both fixed and mobile.
All of this is circumstantial, of course, but leads to a combination of circumstances that are
difficult to explain. It leads me to at least one hypothesis:
Hypothesis: Refining HF out of the Sarin is a practical necessity and must have happened to
some degree. Hexamine was used as a "quick cheap and easy" refining method. This method
would have created a significant waste stream of hexamine‐HF complexes, which could easily
have been considered under the very broad and loose definition of "fluorinated effluents", of
which Syria declared a very large inventory ‐ 4.4 million liters. The hexamine‐HF complexes
could have been precipitated or sieved out. (I am currently researching other industrial
processes where amines are used for acid reduction, but have had to take advice on that as I
am no chemical engineer). The hexamine in the field samples would have been remnants of
unreacted hexamine, the vast majority of the hexamine used in the process having been sieved
out.
This refining process would have created a waste stream that would have been wasteful in the
Western sense, and create the sort of waste in the process that the old US Rocky Mountain
Arsenal engineers, even in the relatively environmentally un‐enlightened 1950s, would never
have countenanced. But I assume that the Syrian government would be less encumbered by
worries about the waste stream and was more worried about expediency.
I have yet no firm conclusion why hexamine would be superior to isopranolamine for this
particular task. However, I do have the following observations and ideas:
‐ We do not know at this time which would be superior as an acid reducer. This bears more
inquiry.
‐ Isopropanolamine's primary benefit was its solubility in isopropanol. If that isn't needed, then
it may lose its advantage. I know that other amines were examined for the US M687 program.
‐The vapor pressure of isopropanolamine is not inconsequential, whereas the vapor pressure of
hexamine is negligible. Perhaps there was concerns for flammability? This seems a low
concern, however, given the quantities of isopropanol clearly needed.
‐Hexamine is clearly synthesizable in a low‐tech industrial base and has other uses. Economic
and logistical considerations may have played a part, particularly if there was a supply chain
already in existence to produce hexamine for high explosives synthesis.
‐Isopropanolamine is clearly associated with binary Sarin and its procurement, mid‐war, may be
problematic. It would set off alarm bells, much like sodium fluoride or thionyl chloride
‐Isopropanolamine may have been reserved for some other weapon system that was intended
to have in‐flight mixing
‐We cannot exclude that some cocktail of amines may have been used, and we are only seeing
the non‐volatile one, because of the intervening days between use and sample collection.
‐ I have unconfirmed anecdotal information that hexamine may have been used by the
Yugoslavian (Tito‐era)military for acid reduction in Sarin. However, much of this information is
Fraudulent Claims Made by Dan Kaszeta Page 12 of 44 Pages
lost to us and remains shrouded in deep secrecy. I continue to research this angle. There were
clear military ties between the CBRN troops of the Yugoslav military and the Syrian military.
There is some possibility that this is a Yugoslav innovation that got exported to Syria.
I do not pretend that this explanation is perfect. However, we are in the area of Occam's Razor,
where we can only hope for "least bad" rather than best. The other explanatory narratives I've
heard, and I have heard many by this point, range from problematic to ludicrous.
If you have an alternative theory, I would love to hear it. Despite what may be said about me
on the internet, I don't have a political agenda in this. I just want to be able to square the
declarations with the environmental/medical samples and the reports of the actual incident.
I would be curious as to any alternative explanation you might have that accounts for the
hexamine, both in the government stockpile and the field samples. Indeed, if you have some
narrative or scenario, I think it would be intellectually stimulating if we could both write up our
scenarios from beginning to end, and then we could compare them. It would be very useful.
Best regards,
Dan Kaszeta
From: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 1:52 AM
To: Dan Kaszeta
Cc: Richard Lloyd ; [email protected]
Subject: Science-Based Questions We Have About Your Responses to Our Questions
We Do Not Understand Why You Have Raised the Question of Binary Nerve Agent
Ignitions
You you spoke extensively in your reply to us about the possibility that the chemical munitions used in the
attack of August 21, 2014 were binary.
We do not understand why you would raise this issue with us.
As you know, we were the first to identify how that munition worked. Roughly 2 weeks after our finding on
the design of the munition was published in the New York Times, the UN report on the attack of August 21
reported that it found exactly what we predicted would be found. There was never any evidence of any
kind that would lead an informed professional to believe that this munition was binary – and we certainly
never suggested this as a possibility.
It would be helpful to us if you could explain why you raise this issue with us?
We Cannot Find Any References, in the Scientific Literature or Quotes in the Press,
That Would SuggestThat There Is a Process for Making Sarin That Employs
Hexamine
In your response to us you said:
The Existence of Fluorinated Effluents Does Not, As You Suggest, Indicate the Use of
Hexamine in the Production of Sarin
Your claim that the existence of a waste stream of 4.4 million liters of “fluorinated effluents”leads to a
conclusion that “hexamine was used as a ‘quick cheap and easy ’refining method” does not indicate what
you suggest
The fluorinated effluents you describe are the result of the well-known procedures for making sarin.
Sarin is produced by mixing Methylphosphonyl difluoride with isopropyl alcohol.
The Methylphosphonyl difluoride is obtained by mixing Methylphosphonic dichloride with hydrogen fluoride.
This reaction is shown below:
<clip_image002[3][2].png>
As such, the existence of fluorinated effluents does not indicate that some form of hexamine-based
production of sarin occurred.
From: Dan Kaszeta
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 5:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Richard Lloyd
Subject: Re: Science-Based Questions We Have About Your Responses to Our Questions
Drs. Postol and Lloyd,
In order to clarify various points that I made and your various ripostes to them, I am conducting
some additional research and am consulting several chemists I have worked with in the past on
CW issues. I will give a more detailed reply when I can, other duties permitting.
Fraudulent Claims Made by Dan Kaszeta Page 15 of 44 Pages
Dan Kaszeta
Dr. Postol,
With reference to your previous email, I beg to differ. Public statements were indeed made. I
refer you to the following two sources:
1. CSPAN 13 December 2013.
http://archive.org/details/CSPAN_20131213_210000_Key_Capitol_Hill_Hearings
Please see the parts from approximately 4:53pm onward in this recording. This is a matter of
public record and CSPAN is a credible source.
2. Gwyn Winfield's interview with Ake Sellstrom.
The following was reported as the interaction between Gwyn Winfield and Ake Sellstrom, as
specifically stated by Mr. Winfield:
Gwyn Winfield:
"Why was hexamine on the list of chemical scheduled to be destroyed - it has many
other battlefield uses as well as sarin? Did you request to put it on the list or had the
Syrian’s claimed that they were using it?"
I communicated with Dr. Sellstrom by email on 4 February 2014. He did not deny making the
statement and confirmed to me that hexamine could be used as an acid scavenger. If you have
questions about the veracity of this, I suggest you can confirm with Gwyn Winfield
([email protected]) or Dr. Sellstrom.
As you can see, when confronted by the statements of someone who was on the ground and
was in direct contact with the experts in both field and lab, I'm in no position to refute such
established authorities. I am merely seeking to flesh out a hypothesis and scenario that
accounts for all of this.
As stated in previous correspondence, a more thorough reply will be forthcoming, pending
more research.
Regards,
Dan Kaszeta
Fraudulent Claims Made by Dan Kaszeta Page 16 of 44 Pages
From: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 1:05 PM
To: Dan Kaszeta
Cc: Richard Lloyd ; syr sis
Subject: Reply to Your Communications: Ake Sellstrom and OPCW public statements; and Hexamine as
acid scavenger
Dear Mr. Kaszeta:
Thank you for getting back to us so promptly.
As you know, we have been trying to get basic scientific data from you that would support your multiple
claims about hexamine being a “smoking gun” that shows that the Syrian government was the source of the
sarin in the nerve agent attack of August 21, 2013.
During this process we have not been able to obtain from you a single science-based piece of evidence for
your multiple claims. In fact, the only science-based statements you have communicated to us were either
wrong, misleading, or irrelevant to the issue we clearly laid out for you in our first email. It is deeply
problematic that you would make such assertions when you have absolutely no scientific evidence to
support them.
In your most recent email to us, you now claim that you have direct information from the head of the UN
team that collected samples, Professor Åka Sellström, after the August 21, 2013 attack.
You quote Professor Sellström with regard to your claims about hexamine as saying:
"It [hexamine] is in their [the Syrian government’s] formula, it is their acid scavenger."
You also say in your email that
I communicated with Dr. Sellstrom by email on 4 February 2014. “He did not deny making
the statement and confirmed to me that hexamine could be used as an acid scavenger.” If
you have questions about the veracity of this, I suggest you can confirm with Gwyn
Winfield or Dr. Sellstrom.
As you can see, when confronted by the statements of someone who was on the ground
and was in direct contact with the experts in both field and lab, I'm in no position to refute
such established authorities. I am merely seeking to flesh out a hypothesis and scenario
that accounts for all of this.
We have also been in direct contact with Professor Sellström by email, and he states that:
That the presence of Hexamine in samples taken by his UN team “in no way conclusively
points to the [Syrian] governement.
Sellström also states that:
“hexamin found in samples may be derived from other sources for example, explosives.”
On the separate matter of the solubility of hexamine in isopropanol, we have finally gotten a solid scientific
source. This technical information was provided to us with full scientific references by Syrian Sister, an
organic chemist who we conferred with when we were unable to get this basic information from you.
The solubility of hexamine in isopropanol is 0.6 percent by weight, which is essentially the same as its
solubility in the closely related material, acetone. This science-based information indicates that any
Fraudulent Claims Made by Dan Kaszeta Page 17 of 44 Pages
process that uses hexamine as an acid scavenger to produce sarin would require between 60 and 70
excess liters of isopropanol-hexamine solution per liter of Methylphosphonyl difluoride.
The standard process for manufacturing sarin uses isopropyl amine as the acid scavenger, which requires
only one liter of Methylphosphonyl difluoride per liter of isopropanol solution.
The 60 liters per liter number would be required if each hexamine molecule could retain four fluorine atoms
and the 70 liters per liter number would be required if each hexamine molecule could retain three fluorine
atoms.
Thus, your statement in an earlier email that
“Hexamine was used as a "quick cheap and easy" refining method.”
Is yet another of numerous examples of the complete absence of the scientific integrity of your claims.
In summary, you have not been able to provide a single reference to back up your assertions that
hexamine in the UN samples was a “smoking gun” that indicated the Syrian government executed the
attack of August 21, 2013. In addition, you have falsely ascribed claims about this assertion to the UN’s
Head-of-Team on the ground in Syria.
We do not claim to know who executed these attacks, but what has become clear to us is that you have
made numerous false science-based claims, invoked quotes that were not made by the individuals who you
cited, and have claimed scientific expertise that you have amply demonstrated you do not have.
Because your false claims have complicated the public debate on this most important question of who
might have executed the atrocity of August 21, 2013, we will be preparing a full documentation of the
communications between us and releasing them to the public.
Sincerely yours,
Ted Postol and Richard Lloyd.
From: Dan Kaszeta
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 2:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Richard Lloyd
Subject: Re: Reply to Your Communications: Ake Sellstrom and OPCW public statements; and Hexamine
as acid scavenger
Sir,
You seem to have misunderstood me at various levels and points. There seems to be some
miscommunication afoot. Perhaps I have not made myself clear, as it appears that some point
I made have not properly lodged themselves with you. Particularly with reference to the
hexamine and isopropanol solubility, it appears that you have not notice my point that it
actually does not matter. My operative hypothesis, which I summarized for you in previous
correspondence does not require hexamine to be dissolved into isopropanol. Indeed, I agree
with you that dissolving hexamine into isopropanol is not the way this situation could have
worked. If the solubility of hexamine in isopropanol still bothers you, might I suggest that an
empirical measurement cannot be too hard to do, as pure isopropanol and pure hexamine are
both probably easily acquired by the chemistry department at your institution for very little
money.
I am working on a very lengthy letter/article that will address most, if not all, of your concerns.
As you can understand, the gravity of the situation requires serious answers and I cannot just
type away in haste. As you can understand, this will take some time and there are only so many
hours in the day. Some of the books I need to consult require 48 hours advance notice to
summon at the British Library and the chemists I am consulting have regular jobs and work in
other time zones, so I am at their mercy and subject to their own priorities. I am consulting
with people who are far more versed in the chemistry than I am. As you know, I am not a
chemist so I often have to take advice from chemists and chemical engineers on various aspects
of this subject. It will take me several weeks to write the article that fully addresses your
concerns.
With regard to statements by Dr. Sellstrom, I can say that if you have some disagreement or
misunderstanding about what Dr. Sellstrom said, getting angry at me, who can only report what
was said on CSPAN, in an email to me, and in correspondence with Mr. Winfield. If Dr.
Sellstrom is saying something different to different people that can hardly be considered my
fault, as you understand. Indeed, such a circumstance muddies the waters of discourse more
than I ever could.
In the meantime, I plead to you to approach this discourse in a civil manner and to avoid
unnecessarily poisoning the discourse with accusations. I have only ever maintained a civil
tone, and I request that you afford me the same courtesy.
Can I also point out that you do not have my permission to publish what I considered to be
private correspondence between the two of us. By all means, let you, Dr. Lloyd and I continue
this dialogue amongst us.
Best regards,
Dan Kaszeta
From: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 2:32 PM
To: Dan Kaszeta
Cc: Richard Lloyd ; syr sis
Subject: Re: Reply to Your Communications: Ake Sellstrom and OPCW public statements; and Hexamine
as acid scavenger
Dear Mr. Kaszeta:
Thank you very much for responding so quickly.
I am sorry that you think I was being “uncivil” but I am not sure why you believe this is the case.
From: Dan Kaszeta
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 12:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Richard Lloyd
Subject: Communications
Dr. Postol,
Unfortunately and with great sorrow, I must ask that our communications now cease. This is
principally due to the activities of "SyrianSister".
Dan Kaszeta
London, UK
From: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 1:16 PM
To: Dan Kaszeta
Cc: Richard Lloyd ; [email protected] ; syr sis
Subject: Thanks for Alerting Us to Your Final Communication
UNITED NATIONS — Buried in the annex of a United Nations inquiry into chemical
weapons use in Syria is information that some outside analysts say could further implicate
the government of Syria in the deadliest of the five confirmed attacks.
The investigators, who released their final report last week, said they had found a chemical
called hexamethylenetetramine from environmental samples in Ghouta, the Damascus
suburb that was the site of the deadliest attack, on Aug. 21. Hexamine, as the chemical is
also known, can be used as an additive in the production of chemical weapons using sarin,
the nerve agent, according to analysts, along with other commercial uses. The Syrian
government happens to have a stockpile of hexamine; it is part of a list of chemicals
scheduled to be destroyed as part of the deal to dismantle Syria’s chemical weapons
program.
United Nations investigators who conducted the inquiry pointedly steered clear of assigning
blame for any of the attacks. The investigators have declined to explain Syria’s purpose in
amassing the hexamine, a common commercial chemical.
The hexamine connection was pointed out last week by Dan Kaszeta, an
independent security consultant and former officer in the United States Army’s
Chemical Corps. He argued that the presence of hexamine pointed to the
involvement of the government in the attack on Ghouta.
“I consider the presence of hexamine both in the field samples and in the
official stockpile of the Syrian government to be very damning evidence of
government culpability,” Mr. Kaszeta wrote on his website.
The Syrian government, which has denied carrying out any of the attacks, declared
possession of 80 tons of hexamine. It is listed among substances that need to be treated and
disposed, according to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, or
O.P.C.W., a group based in The Hague working with the United Nations to oversee the
dismantling of Syria’s arsenal.
Asked about the presence of hexamine in the annex of the United Nations panel’s report,
Scott Cairns, a chemical weapons expert who is a member of the panel, would say only that
hexamine is a chemical that could be used in the production of weapons using sarin. It is
also commonly found in heating fuel, as well as in conventional explosives.
Ron Manley, a chemical arms expert who headed the verification team at the Organization
for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons from 1993 to 2002, said hexamine was certainly
part of the government’s chemical weapons arsenal. Otherwise, it would not have been
listed on the items that must be destroyed.
“The fact that they declared it to the O.P.C.W. means it was part of their C.W. program,” he
said “There’s no doubt it was part of their program. What part it played we don’t know.”
Both Mr. Manley and Mr. Kaszeta said hexamine could be particularly valuable in reducing
the corrosive effects of what are known as binary sarin weapons. Those weapons can
produce highly destructive acids that can corrode even the metal cylinders that hold the
nerve agent. Hexamine can neutralize the acids, ensuring that they do not destroy the
weapon itself. That could explain, Mr. Kaszeta said, why the government had so much
hexamine.
While hexamine is not a common additive to stabilize sarin, both analysts said it could have
been used for that purpose.
Other chemists have said hexamine could have been used in the blaster components of the
weapons that dispersed the nerve agent, but that would not explain why hexamine was on
the list of chemicals in the government’s arsenal.
The United Nations investigators have repeatedly said that their mandate was limited to
establishing the facts of what happened and not who was responsible. They investigated
seven possible episodes in all, from March to August. In five, including Ghouta, they found
credible evidence that chemical weapons had been used. In Ghouta, they collected the most
information, including environmental samples from where the ordnance landed. Their final
report was submitted to Ban Ki-moon, the United Nations secretary general, last Thursday
and made public.
The investigation yielded few details on the four other episodes. The United Nations team
was unable to go to the site of the attacks in some cases and could not collect biomedical or
environmental samples directly. Unlike in Ghouta, some of the attacks appeared to have
been small-scale efforts, using unusual methods, including what witnesses described to be
plastic grenades dropped from helicopters.
The Syrian government, which has blamed insurgents for all the attacks, has been unusually
cooperative in getting rid of its arsenal since making the pledge to ban them in September.
The Syrian ambassador to the United Nations, Bashar Jaafari, told reporters on Monday
that in his country, “the chapter is closed.”
<img src="http://meter-svc.nytimes.com/meter.gif"/>
A version of this article appears in print on December 19, 2013, on page A18 of the New York edition
with the headline: Report Detail Could Further Implicate Syria in Chemical Attack, Analysts Say.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n10/letters
ARCHIVE
London Review of Books
BOOKSHOP CONTACTUS ABOUT THE LRB SUBSCRIBE
LATEST
Letters
Vol. 36 No. 10 • 22 May 2014 Year: 2014 Issue: 10
Whose sarin?
Jamie Allinson makes some false technical claims in his critique of Seymour Hersh (Letters, 8 May). What Hersh reports
is entirely plausible, and consistent with facts that emerged from our more limited but irrefutable technical studies of the
circumstances surrounding the nerve agent attack in Damascus on 21 August 2013. Our findings, which have become the
basis for the 'new' arguments being made against Hersh by people like Allinson, and supposedly knowledgeable non-
government organisations like Human Rights Watch and the New York Times, raise the most serious questions about
whether the White House lied about technical intelligence associated with the attack.
Allinson is correct that the improvised rockets he calls Volcanoes each contained about fifty litres of sarin, but wrong in his
claim that they were fired from a regime-held area 'to the north'. These claims are not original, but repeat those of Eliot
Higgins, a blogger who, although he has been widely quoted as an expert in the American mainstream media, has changed
his facts every time new technical information has challenged his conclusion that the Syrian government must have been
responsible for the sarin attack. In addition, the claims that Higgins makes that are correct are all derived from our findings,
which have been transmitted to him in numerous exchanges.
Before we began reporting findings from our analyses, there were published reports estimating that the sarin load carried by
the rockets was about five litres. We showed, from detailed engineering analyses of rocket debris, that the rockets contained
as much as fifty litres. This finding was hailed by members of the US government and non-government organisations, such
as Human Rights Watch and the New York Times, as proof that the Syrian government had executed the atrocity of 21
August. In a follow-up analysis, we found that it could not possibly have been the case that the deadly rockets were fired
from Syrian government- controlled areas as far as ten kilometres away, as claimed by the US government and non-
government organisations. We showed that the shape of the rockets resulted in extreme aerodynamic drag, limiting their
range to about 2 to 2.5 kilometres. This finding was met with great resistance in the media.
We also analysed the impact debris from the single rocket for which data was available (there is no data for multiple rocket
impacts despite Allinson's claim). We showed that those who argued that the Syrian government had fired the rockets had
incorrectly determined the direction of arrival as being from the northwest. We showed that the actual direction was from
the north. This new technical insight quickly prompted a new 'discovery'. There was a checkpoint to the north, close to the
area controlled by Syrian government forces, from which the deadly short-range rockets could have been launched.
However, if they had been fired from this location, the impact pattern of the rockets used in the attack would have required
them to have a range well in excess of five kilometres - which we have shown cannot be the case.
We do not claim to know who was actually behind the attack of 21 August in Damascus. But we can say for sure that neither
do the people who claim to have clear evidence that it was the Syrian government. The mainstream American media have
done a disservice to the public by allowing politically motivated individuals, governments, and non-government
organisations to misrepresent facts that clearly point to serious breaches of the truth by the White House.
This evening witnessed the odd spectaclei of Mr. Nigel Farage, MEP and head of the rightwing UK
Independence Party, giving ventilation to discredited theories. This is not the first time strange
utterances have come from Mr. Farage, but this time he has parked himself squarely in the lane of my
expertise. Sadly, he’s placed himself on the side of the brutal Assad dictatorship by repeating
conspiracy theories that somehow Syrian rebels perpetrated the 21 August 2013 attacks on themselves.
This canard has been proved to be substantially wrong. Others address it by means of analysisii of the
rockets used, but I rely on the technical aspects of the chemical weapon that was used. I am using this
particular opportunity to summarize the work myself and many others have done over the last months to
get to the bottom of the 8/21 attacks.
The UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights issued a UN reportiii that confirms what I
have known to be the case for some time. There is evidence tying the Sarin chemical warfare agent
used at Ghouta last year to the significant chemical warfare stockpile of the Syrian government. I
originally formulated my ideas in November of last year, and provisionally called them the ‘Hexamine
Hypothesis’, a theory which now appears to be vindicated. Indeed, I believe that the chemical
hexamine is a unique link tying the Ghouta war crimes to the Syrian government. This article explains
the what, why, and how of the ‘Hexamine Hypothesis’. Note: In spite of claiming knowledge of at least 20 production paths to
Sarin, Mr. Kaszeta could not produce even a single scientific or technical
paper on how Hexamine can be used to produce Sarin (T. A. Postol)
Two general categories of Sarin:
To the layman, Sarin is Sarin. But that’s simply not true. I have spent a lot of time and effort studying
the history of Sarin and the particularly obtuse history of industrial efforts to produce Sarin. There are
at least 20 production pathways to Sarin, each of at least 5 steps. I do not exclude the theoretical
possibility of additional pathways to Sarin being developed in a laboratory at some point in the future.
All of these methods rely on one of two reactions to produce Sarin in the final chemical reaction. For the
purposes of this discussion, we can divide Sarin into two basic categories, based on the final chemical
reaction.
DF + Isopropanol reaction. The simplest methods react DF and Isopropanol. Often, online sources,
some of which are of dubious provenance, refer exclusively to these methods. Most of the 20 or so
Sarin production pathways use this reaction. This reaction combines DF (methylphosphonyl difluoride)
with isopropyl alcohol. 1 mol DF + 1 mol Isopropanol react to create 1 mol Sarin + 1 mol HF (hydrogen
fluoride). By mass, this works out to 140 g of HF for each 1 kg of Sarin produced. As you probably can
understand, this residual HF is highly dangerous and destructive. It is corrosive to most materials and
seriously reduces the shelf-life of the Sarin. Indeed, this reaction is really only suitable for binary-type
weapons, and even then only if you do something about the residual HF acid. (More on this later.) The
Japanese Aum Shin Rikyo cult, which used Sarin in 1994-1995 in terrorist attacks in Japan used one of
the methods using this step. If you are making Sarin to keep for a long period of time, production
processes that use this reaction are not very useful as it is indeed hard to get rid of this HF. Saddam
Hussein's Iraq discovered this, because they used these methods, and the shelf life of their Sarin could be
measured in weeks. The US military used this method in the M687 binary Sarin artillery shell, and found
that, without some method to counteract the HF, the binary Sarin weapon systems barely survived
the six to ten seconds time of flight of an artillery shell.
“High quality Sarin” – Some critics have made points about whether or not the 8/21
www.cbrne-terrorism-newsletter.com
Fraudulent Claims Made by Dan Kaszeta Page 40 of 44 Pages
P a g e | 3
April 2014
Sarin was “high quality” or not. It should be noted that this DF + Isopropanol
reaction cannot make “pure” or “high grade Sarin” by definition. This process produces a
cocktail of Sarin and HF. It produces a mix that is, at best, 50% Sarin by mol or 87% if
you go by weight.
The DC+DF reaction (The "di-di" process.) - The US and the Soviet Union both realized that
DF+Isopropyl worked, but created Sarin that was not very useful for long-term storage. Both the US
and the Soviet Union wanted to have weapons that could be kept in long-term storage until they were
needed, not artillery shells and rockets that had only a few months shelf-life. In this method, equal parts of
DC (methylphosphonic dichloride) and DF are reacted with alcohol to produce Sarin and HCl. From an
economic and industrial viewpoint, these DC+DF methods are more complicated, because they require
effectively two parallel production paths, one for DF and one for DC. The important difference is the
residual contaminant in the Sarin. In the di-di process, the residual is hydrogen chloride (HCl) not HF.
While being corrosive and dangerous, is not as difficult to deal with the HCl as is the HF in the other
methods. More importantly, it is much more possible on an industrial scale to refine this residual HCl out of
the Sarin and get a high purity product. Getting rid of this excess HCl is still not easy and both the US
and the Soviet Union had to do a lot of research and spend much time and money to figure out how to do
it. These issues were eventually solved, but the effort to do so was measured in years and millions
of dollars. It was a complex industrial process and is still considered a secret. Indeed, the US had to re-
refine its earlier stockpiles of Sarin in order to ensure a long shelf-life for its Sarin.
www.cbrne-terrorism-newsletter.com
www.cbrne-terrorism-newsletter.com
Conclusion
I believe the regime committed the 8/21 Sarin attack. The following formula is a useful summation of
the evidence:
www.cbrne-terrorism-newsletter.com
Fraudulent Claims Made by Dan Kaszeta Page 43 of 44 Pages
P a g e | 6
April 2014
Dan Kaszeta is the author of “CBRN and Hazmat Incidents at Major Public Events: Planning and
Response” (Wiley, 2012) as well as a number of magazine articles and conference papers. He has 23 years of
experience in CBRN, having served as an officer in the US Army Chemical Corps, as CBRN advisor for the
White House Military Office, and as a specialist in the US Secret Service. He now runs Strongpoint Security,
a London-based CBRN and antiterrorism consultancy. Mr. Kaszeta also holds a part-time post as Senior
Research Fellow with the International Institute of Nonproliferation Studies and is a contributor to Wikistrat.
(Highlighting Added)
References
i http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/02/nigel-farage-syrian-rebels-chemical-attack ii
http://www.aug21st.com/slides/Bearing_Analysis.pdf
iiihttp://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/IICISyria/Pages/IndependentInternationalCommission.aspx iv
http://www.opcw.org/index.php?eID=dam_frontend_push&docID=16847 l
v
http://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/ADM/PSB/Tender/Request_for_EOI_OPCWCDB_EOI012013.pdf
vi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexamine
vii http://www.scribd.com/doc/51931634/Integrated-Binary-Production-Facility-Pine-Bluff-Arkansas
viii http://etheses.dur.ac.uk/6562/1/6562_3865.PDF
ix https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/commentaryanalysis/524969-524969-why-seymour-hersh-has-it-wrong- this-time
x http://archive.org/details/CSPAN_20131213_210000_Key_Capitol_Hill_Hearings - (scroll to 54:00 for
report.html?_r=0
xii https://plus.google.com/108344897173120412718/posts/62vsHPVJPua
www.cbrne-terrorism-newsletter.com