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RESEARCH REPORTS
When students come to school they often bring understandings which actively interfere with the
curriculum offered by the formal educational setting. Although the discourses of science and religion
have often been incommensurable at the institutional level, religious discourse has rarely been studied
as a potential interference with the learning of scientific discourse at the individual level. In a two-year
study with 23 students we identified different interpretive repertoires on which pupils draw to talk in
sometimes contradictory ways about controversial issues such as abortion, euthanasia and the origins of
humankind. These contradictions may interfere with students' science learning. We illustrate in detail
two students' scientific and religious discourses.
When students come to school they often bring understandings which actively
interfere with the curriculum offered by the formal educational setting. Much
research has been conducted to try to understand how everyday talk about phe-
nomena developed prior to instruction interferes with the science talk students
encounter in school. This literature is commonly described by labels such as
'misconceptions', 'alternative frameworks', 'naive conceptions', 'pheno-
menological primitives', and 'conceptual change'. Other sources of interference
with science instruction are less charted. Thus, although the discourses of science
and that of fundamentalist Christians have often been incommensurable at the
institutional level, religious discourse has rarely been studied as a potential inter-
ference with the learning of scientific discourse at the individual level.
We engaged in this study to construct an understanding how religious dis-
course interacts with scientific classroom discourse in some students but not
others. In this study, some students made conflicting claims in their scientific
and religious discourses which they could not resolve. These conflicts interfered
with learning science. Other students developed mechanisms which allowed them
to eschew such conflicts, and others did not experience any conflicts. We expanded
a framework developed for the analysis of scientists' discourse to make it suitable
for the analysis of scientific and religious discourse. Although there appear to be
marked conflicts between scientific and religious discourses in other cultures (e.g.,
conflicts between Islam and science (Anees 1995)), 'religion' in this study refers to
public and personal dimensions of Christian faith. T o maintain the authenticity of
individuals' voices, we chose an alternate literary device that mixed authorial and
personal voices distinguished by different type faces.
Background
The boundary between science or technology and religion has long been the site of
individual, institutional and cultural conflict. In order to minimize the conflict at
the institutional level, some countries, such as the USA, have elevated the separa-
tion of church and state to a fundamental principle enshrined in their constitutions
(O'Connor and Ivers 1988) while other countries such as the former USSR have
consistently suppressed any role for religion. This separation at the institutional
level was also formally pronounced on behalf of organized science by the National
Academy of Science (NAS) (1984:6) in Science and Creationism. NAS took the
position that 'religion and science are separate and mutually exclusive realms of
human thought whose representation in the same context leads to misunderstand-
ing of both scientific theory and religious belief.
Although the differences between scientific and fundamentalist Christian dis-
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courses have been argued repeatedly in court, little research exists with respect to
whether or not such differences might interfere with students' appropriation of
school science talk. In spite of the formal separation between science and religion,
many people do not make such a separation at the personal level (Lawson and
Wester 1990, Lawson and Worsnop 1992). Hence, when there is a conflict between
their scientific and religious knowledge, students have difficulties learning the
subject matter of their curriculum. Students with strong commitments to crea-
tionist discourse about the beginning of the universe are less prone to understand
evolutionary biology than their peers. It is alarming then that a large number of
students and university administrators favour the teaching of creationism.
Research conducted in several public universities in Ohio showed that between
80 and 94% of the students favoured the instruction of creation science (Bergman
1979, Fuerst 1984). A survey of approximately 28% of the Ohio school board
presidents revealed that more than 52% want creation science to be taught along-
side the theory of evolution, and do not believe that this means introducing reli-
gion (Zimmerman 1991).
We can then expect to have students who employ religious discourses that they
and their parents regard as incompatible with canonical scientific classroom dis-
course. These religious discourses may be even more problematic for science
instruction than students' intuitive and mundane discourse about natural phenom-
ena ('misconceptions') which are not linked to religious explanatory schemes. The
research presented in the article arose from these concerns. In the context of high
school science, we wanted to understand the interaction of scientific and religious
discourses, and students' management of conflicting knowledge claims within and
across discourse domains.
Study design
This article was developed from a data base established in the context of a two-year
longitudinal study of physics students' views about knowing and learning. The
larger study was concerned with physics students' ontological, epistemological and
sociological claims about the nature of physics knowledge, the evidence they mus-
tered in support of these claims and their views of learning. The entire data base
contains more than 2,5000 pages of transcripts (interviews and class discussions),
student essays and short responses. Four reports, each co-produced by an outside
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university researcher not directly involved with the students, dealt with various
aspects of the data base (Lucas and Roth 1995, Roth and Roychoudhury 1993,
1994, Roth and Lucas 1995). The present article, co-authored by the teacher and
one of the students deals with the interaction of students' scientific and religious
discourses.
research experience in both fields, and ten years of experience teaching science,
mathematics and computer science.
This article is unusual for educational research in that it is co-authored by a
teacher and a senior high school student. This collaboration came about in the
following way. During one of our many conversations, Todd had asked if he could
participate in the study as a researcher, for he was interested in how others talked
about science and religion. We came to an immediate agreement to work jointly on
data analysis, writing the manuscript, and conducting member check interviews
with other students. We jointly presented different aspects of our work at inter-
national conferences. Our collaboration was facilitated by a relationship of trust
that we had built over three years. While we do not deny the differences between
our life experiences and expertise in educational research, these differences were
not used to set up a relationship based on differences in power. By using individual
voices, we set apart instances where we speak with our individual voices.
many opportunities to meet formally and informally after school to complete this
project. Like the majority of faculty (approximately 90%), Roth did not attend the
chapel services which were optional for teachers.
Todd and Brent, along with 21 other students attended the elective junior and
senior physics courses taught by the senior author. In both the junior and senior
physics courses, about 70% of class time was devoted to experiments. Most of the
research questions were student-framed; students planned and conducted the
experiments, interpreted their data and submitted reports. The only conditions
were that they had to deal with the content matter specified by the Ministry of
Education and that they were convincing (not necessarily 'right') in terms of
design and results. The remaining class time was spent on reviewing textbook
materials and questions, preparing collaborative concept maps and discussing
supplementary readings. These included essays, individual chapters and books
such as 'Objectivity in science' (Suzuki 1989), such as 'What every school boy
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should know' (Bateson 1980) and Inventing Reality: Physics as Language (Gregory
1990). These texts raised questions about the objectivity and rationality of scien-
tific inquiry and knowledge taken for granted in the students' science textbooks.
Finally, to meet the provincial requirements for proficiency in physics content, the
students read the pertinent textbook chapters on their own and completed about
six end-of-chapter questions per week.
The teacher took a very personal stance to knowing and learning. He provided
students with continuous feedback on their work, including the essays. The stu-
dents received an 'A' for the completion of an essay, but were not required to
espouse any one particular worldview. The same stance was evident in the whole-
class discussions of readings. Each discussion was intended as a forum, an oppor-
tunity for students to talk through important and difficult issues in an environment
of trust. For the teacher, it was not an issue of indoctrinating students to a different
kind of truth but presenting knowing as something personal. Elsewhere (Roth and
Lucas, 1995), more detailed evidence is provided of the non-dogmatic nature of
the class discussion and response to student essays.
The two case studies featured in this article are based on the interviews with and
essays written by two students, Todd (second author) and Brent.
Todd: Having been brought up in a household where science and religion were
both part of daily life, it was easy for me to bring the two beliefs together. This co-
existence of science and religion continued at our school where both chapel ser-
vices and science are part of the daily experience. Thus, for me, the notion of God
became all-encompassing including science and the knowledge constructed
through its procedures. At the school, I liked very much and did well in all my
subjects, including sciences—biology, chemistry and physics. Besides sciences, I
also took a keen interest in philosophy, poetry and fine art all of which were part of
my course work towards graduation. I was one of the chapel wardens, and a
member of the chapel choir. In my conversations with Michael, the senior author,
I came to know that my discourse could be labeled 'social constructivist'.While
this might be surprising, I do have a significant spiritual-religious life. These
labels, however, like so many, do not express my specific discourse at the time
of the study. (I elaborate on science and religion below.) My contribution also
presented us with a problem which we had to resolve as we wrote this article. I
often felt tempted to change or add to my earlier written and spoken statements.
Michael, on the other hand, felt that the article should be about high school
students' discourse rather than a story of my changing discourse in the process
of our inquiry. That is a different story which I would like to tell in another place.
So we decided to present my views as we reconstructed them together from the
essays, formal interviews, personal notes and informal conversations at the time I
attended Grade 12.
Brent: In his last two years at school, Brent was moderately successful student; his
grade point average was about one-half standard deviation below the mean. He was
less successful in his two sciences, chemistry and physics: barely passed one and
failed the other. Brent had selected these science courses in part because of his
parents' wish that he become a medical doctor ('My parents sort of pushed me').
In order to enter the prerequisite science programme, he had to complete the
senior-level physics and chemistry courses. He had a keen interest in theatre
arts, a subject in which he received an 'A', and was actively involved in several
drama productions at the school. During the two years at the school, he repeatedly
talked about his deep religious commitments and the conflicts he experienced as he
learned chemistry and physics. His peers also knew him as an avid debater with
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respect to religious issues. Brent was also a chapel warden and a member of the
chapel choir.
Brent's parents had a very strong influence. Brent indicated that both in his
church and home he was 'scared into' the belief that he would go to hell unless he
believed in God. Physics and chemistry, on the other hand, taught him that he was
merely made of atoms, indicating that there was no afterlife. He considered science
teachers to be atheists who refuse to belief in God and who indoctrinate students,
attempting to make them believers of science. On the basis of such tensions,
paired with the observation that some of the high-achieving students were not
religious at all, he concluded that science was only for atheists. He constantly
felt caught between his parents and church on the one hand, and school science
on the other. For as long as he could remember, his parents did not help him to
overcome the conflicts he felt between scientific and religious knowledge claims,
and merely told him to believe in a supreme being.
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Credibility
This study satisfies a number of criteria required to establish the credibility of
interpretive research (Guba and Lincoln 1989). Both authors lived at the school,
interacted with each other and students in a variety of contexts, and built trust
between themselves and other students; this satisfied the criterion of prolonged
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Interpretive Repertoires
When we asked participants to talk about controversial issues (evolution versus
creation, abortion, euthanasia) they drew on two realms for answers—science and
religion. When we asked participants to characterize the knowledge claims made
by the authorities in the two realms, they drew on the rational and subjective
repertoires. The rational repertoire was introduced to classify statements that
referred to the rationality of scientific and religious pursuits. The subjective reper-
toire was introduced to classify statements that referred to social and personal
contingencies which make scientific and religious knowledge claims less than reli-
able (figure 1). The following quotations illustrate two claims to rationality in the
scientific enterprise (Quadrant I).
Social construction: [Physics] tries to model the universe because scientists understand
that they can't really know what nature and science really is, but, so I guess the closest
they can get is to make a model of it, a representation of what it is. And I think as long
as the math part of it, as long as that is accurate and your predictions that you get from
using your mathematical model, as long as those are accurate, it doesn't—I don't think
it matters.
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covered them? It is obvious that these laws exist in nature, and scientists discover
them. In retort to this question, one could ask, 'Was there no gravity on Earth before
Newton clearly defined it?' Of course there was.
Students talked about the Christian God and formal religious organizations.
Typical student statements that illustrate the rational in religious discourse
(Quadrant II) were:
Social construction: In contrast to the personal experience of God, there are also the
socially constructed organized religions and their practices. Because of their nego-
tiated character these practices vary across denominations and religions.
Absolute: God exists, because of all the miracles that he has done and everything from
the past and the history says in the Bible . . . When I hear what other people think
how the Earth was created, I say, 'well that is wrong' . . . I would think that religion
is completely by the book of God, is not artificial, because I have grown up that way.
The existence of a subjective repertoire is based on the observation that students
talked about personal and social contingencies of scientific and religious knowledge
claims that cannot be publicly accounted for in rational terms. As before, these
knowledge claims may be absolute or socially constructed. Examples of the sub-
jective dimensions in students' talk about science (Quadrant III) are:
Social construction: Well that's—the social environment will create the biases—it's the
way a scientist or any person has been brought up that will shape his thoughts, his
mind and this will influence. There was—last year we read this essay by David
Suzuki. And he cited an example of thinking that I think it was, white men are
more intelligent than black men because [they had bigger brains].
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Absolute: Science is based on fact and the knowledge will not change because of his or
her social environment. Man constantly searches for numerical answers. Therefore if
he is affected by his surroundings, he will no longer be scientific.
Students who talked about the personal dimensions of religion did so in absolute
terms. Thus, a typical statement was 'I think truth lies within ourselves, in no one
else; you can't run your life based on a book, you just have to look within yourself.
Among the students, there was nobody who felt that the personal experience in the
religious-spiritual domain was a matter of construction. However, the teacher's
view (stated in the design section) that even one's personal experience is mediated
by discursive practices of the community within which one participates is an
example of the social construction of personal dimensions of religion. 6
Science
Over the course of his junior and senior years, Todd's view about science and
scientific knowledge changed. Whereas he initially talked about the existence of
scientific truths, the absoluteness and infallibility of scientific knowledge and the
possibility of objectivity, his current discourse is radically different. His view of
the nature of science as an effort to construct explanatory schemes which are
negotiated in a social forum of the scientific community is not unlike that pre-
sented in recent developments in the history and philosophy of science, social
studies of science, and epistemology (Hesse 1980, Knorr-Cetina 1981, Rorty
1979, von Glasersfeld 1987). Thus, although there is a world which is experien-
tially real, it is impossible to know such a world as it really is. He argued that
constructions are useful in dealing with this world, but we can never know the
functional relationship between this knowledge and the world. As a community,
scientists construct language games (Wittgenstein 1968) which are deconstructed
when they are no longer viable in the light of sufficient new experimental evidence.
In terms of our framework, Todd described scientific knowledge as socially con-
structed (Quadrant I, figure 2a).
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Todd: Science is a language game. It allows us to talk about the world in a com-
munity of knowers which shares a common language. This language allows us to
create tools—concepts and theories—to talk about this world, predict and explain
events, and thus create our knowledge of this world. We are now forced to ask
ourselves, what shape do these tools and truths take and how are they used by us?
The answer takes us to the beginning of one of my essays where I stated that it is
'with words, with sounds, all joyful, playful and obscene' on which scientific
knowledge is based. The language we create and use to describe our observations
becomes the tool itself. By changing the language we not only change the law and
principles science is stating but we also change a previously accepted truth and
effectively make a new one. Thus, it is language and the way in which we choose to
define the phenomena we observe that is at the core of our knowledge; it is through
these words that we arrive at the images and ideas that allow us to predict and
explain our observations. This holds true for everything in our lives, it is through
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our language that we communicate our ideas, thoughts, and feelings, and it is also
through them that we are able to learn through the recreation of our perceptions
within our minds.
When the personal and subjective come to bear on the realm of science, mea-
surements, procedures and interpretations have to be considered tentative until, in
the light of new evidence, they are revised. The social and subjective also lead to
specific sociocultural rather than universal interpretations of scientific experiments
such as brought forth by science in communist USSR or Nazi Germany. But the
subjective also accounted for the shifts in 'social truths' over time. That which is
accepted today as valid knowledge may be error tomorrow, and the outrageous and
unacceptable ideas of today become the truths of tomorrow. 7 Because scientific
knowledge is socially constructed and always tentative, such variations in truth
value are characteristic features of the epistemology; they do not conflict with
Todd's discourse (Quadrant III, figure 2a). But while scientific knowledge is
socially constructed (an epistemological claim), Todd makes absolute statements
about the existence of the world (an ontological claim).
Todd: I find myself asking continually, does not the way in which we choose to
describe what is occurring in fact create our reality? Now that we have progressed
in science to a point that we are determining the relationship of things that are no
longer visible to us and are at times almost unimaginable, it seems that reality
becomes what man makes it. The way in which we describe things and think they
are becomes what is real for us, until a time that a new and better way is thought of
to replace the old; this in turn becomes our new reality. But this language has not
only such a descriptive quality to be used in understanding the phenomenal world,
but can also be used reflexively, to think about our thinking, language, and knowl-
edge. It lets us conceive of our knowledge as being constructed, and as having a
precarious relationship with that which it describes, including language
itself . . . Although I believe that the world is constructed, a construction
mediated by language, figural models, and perceptions, I do not consider myself
a solipsist. I believe that there is a world in which we are thrown, a world which we
sense as experientially real, about which we have no doubt.
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For Todd, knowledge claims shared within organized churches are like those of
other institutions; they are negotiated within communities. That is, these knowl-
edge claims bear the same marks as those in other public arenas such as science,
art, or music (Quadrant II, figure 2a).
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Todd: In contrast to the personal experience of God, there are also the socially
constructed organized religions and their practices. Because of their negotiated
character these practices vary across denominations and religions.
ent ordering stories that make sense in their respective contexts. In fact, the
evolutionary changes in the animate world can be viewed as a continuous crea-
tion of a world in which God is immanent (Peacocke 1991:462). But in this
view, God is not some kind of spiritual gas permeating the universe like the
nineteenth century ether, but 'all-that-is in its actual processes is God, manifest
in his mode as continuous creator . . we could say that the world is in God,
that there is nothing in the world not in God'. Such an understanding of God
and His relationship to the world Peacocke calls 'panewtheism' which views
God as including and penetrating the whole universe so that every part exists
in Him, but that God transcends this world, is more than, and not exhausted
by, the universe. As for evolution, it is a process of emergence in which God's
work can be seen at work, continuously creating in and through the material
world.
Todd: Religion and God are part of a spiritual realm of human beings. Our experi-
ence with God is always a personal one. This experience has an ontology similar to
the reality of material objects and events phenomena: it is experientially real. But
in addition, this personal experience is also the only source of truth and permits me
to make truly ethical and moral decisions. The experience of God is a spiritual one
which includes all the wonders of human existence; it includes all those things like
love, beauty, truth and goodness which cannot be explained by science, and may
have no place in science. I mean, just look at intangible things, like love and
beauty. I think that equates to God for me. You do not understand why, but
you know that these things exist. You know certain things are beautiful, and you
know you love certain things, but you cannot explain why, you just do. It's like
beauty: if you are sitting at night down by the lake, having a beer or a smoke or
whatever. All of a sudden the sun goes down, and the colors appear in the sky and
on the horizon. It is beautiful, that is IT, that is beauty, you cannot say why, you
can't define it. In my view, God is not a material or physical being, and cannot be
perceived or described in any way. Whenever I think of God I get a picture of
nothing, but try to think of nothing, and that's God, and that's: well think of
nothing that's as close as you can get to everything, and that gives you God. If
you are infinite then there is no such thing as change, but is all-encompassing, so
we can't apply change to infinite things, I mean that's like saying is God good-
looking, or is God plain, or, I don't know, tall, we can't apply the term to infinite
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things. The essence is that things came from God, and they are part of God, God
doesn't have two hands, doesn't have a face, doesn't have a mind, God just is.
ethical dimension for making informed choices about dealing with issues such as
abortion, euthanasia, AIDS, or genetic engineering. Scientific and technological
rationality always are subservient to market or political pressures, while the reli-
gion-informed, personal ethic provides 'true' standards. With a number of theo-
logians, particularly those in the tradition of his own Anglican Church, Todd
believes that any ethic has to be contingent on the particulars of each situation.
Thus, rather than seeking an absolute, immutable and dogmatic ethic, he favored a
situational ethic (Fletcher 1966). This ethic is not informed by either scientific or
religious dogma but by the specific relationships of the individual case in its socio-
cultural, economic, scientific and spiritual context.
mean, it is totally situational, both are prime examples, with huge gray areas and I
think for me I would be very internally very case related.
Science
Brent described science as a human effort that yields absolute truths (Quadrant I,
figure 2b). He used the subjective repertoire in the realm of science to account for
the errors due to the emotional engagement and personal investments of the scien-
tists in the products of their labor (Quadrant I I I , figure 2b). Here, Brent encoun-
tered a problem; he had to account for the difference between the absolute truths
generated by scientists and the erroneous knowledge they produce because of their
personal engagement. In this case, Brent made use of the T W O D which assures
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Religion
Brent said that religious knowledge claims are rationally accountable and based on
the Bible and the existence of God. Knowledge claims shared by the members of
churches therefore have an absolute status (Quadrant II, figure 2b). These claims
are supported by the Bible and members' knowledge of God's existence.
Brent: We know of God because he reveals himself in a very understandable way.
We know that God exists, because of all the miracles that He has done in the
past. History and the Bible say that He is the person that made the Red Sea go
apart, He is the one who multipled the bread and the wine. This is why we
believe that there is God. This is the reason why Christianity is probably one of
the most popular religions there ever was. There are a lot of people, even
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Muslims and others believing in God. All in all, God in any religion has become
the main focus and that's why people assume that there is a God, because more
people believe it.
Religion, I find it very hard to understand how I believe in God; I can't
touch Him, I can't see him. But then the Bible says, 'this woman was blind, and
she touched his clothes and she was able to see again. She touched him, and she
was able to see again'. I want something like that, I want something to believe in.
God put Adam and Eve on earth, so that is one reason that there is logic behind
the existence of [physical] forces. There are forces and similar things, created by
God, that keep Adam and Eve down there, gravity and whatever, they stay,
that's all.
In accordance with his need for concrete experience, Brent took most of the
Biblical accounts as literal descriptions. In this, he resembled many fundamentalist
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Christians who engage in the legal debate of science versus religion although his
own Presbyterian church does not promulgate such discourse. Besides the literal
truth of the Bible, Brent's discourse shared two other features with that of those
fundamentalist Christians who argued against science in court: the irreconcilable
differences between religion and science, and the superiority of biblical wisdom
over scientific knowledge (Gieryn et al. 1985). First, religion stands against science
as in an engagement of two armies trying to conquer each other, or like two orators
vying for the audience's approval. Any positive acknowledgement of the viability
of a scientific account for the present state of the universe could only come at the
expense of biblical authority, a victory for science and ultimately the devil. He
often used military metaphors to describe his discussions on science and religions
('I put up a big fight', 'I shot down his argument') or qualified statements as more
or less persuasive ('I put up a pretty good debate', 'his argument would be a lot
more diverse than mine', 'the listener would find it more convincing'). Second,
faith in the Bible is more valuable than scientific knowledge because only religion
is able to provide man with purpose and ethico-moral standards. However, Brent's
own accounts were little informed by the ongoing discussion of creation science
versus evolution (such as his own account about the age of the earth) so that he did
not and could not make use of fundamentalists' discursive strategies (O'Connor
and Ivers 1988, Overton 1983). He recognized this lack of persuasiveness, and for
that reason always found himself in the position of the underdog in discussions
with teachers or groups of peers. Comparing Brent's and Todd's talk about God's
relationship with creation, we notice that Brent stressed the externality of the
creative acts—He is creating something external to Himself—while Todd held a
reformed view (Peacocke 1991), where God is immanent in and of the creation.
Brent's discourse about his personal religious experience transpired certainty.
His knowledge claims equal the absolute status of the church's public knowledge
claims (Quadrant IV, figure 2b).
Brent: I need to see or touch in order to believe, and this causes me some pain. For
I have asked God for signs or something like that. Moses and people like that they
got their sign. Whereas I am just a little boy—I feel like I am a little boy now—who
does not have a God because he didn't give me the sign. I believe in God—I think
I believe in God—and that there is an afterlife for me. There is actually something
there for me, so that I wouldn't got to hell and I will be up there with the angels, or
something like that . . . To be 100% sure that there is God or something from
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coconut whatever you want to take; science and religion don't just connect in a way
that they can work with each other. There is nothing in science that says anything
about God, there is nothing in science at all; and there is nothing in religion that
says anything about science. So how can they associate if they don't mention
anything at all? For myself, that is logical enough. There is nothing at all.
Chemistry and physics, however, they do connect, because chemistry needs phy-
sics and physics needs chemistry in some ways; religion never says anything about
science and science never says anything about religion, that is the way I think.
Physics offends my beliefs, probably because of something that I have grown
up with all my life. Science completely goes against what God has created, the so-
called power person who created everything; and people who are in the sciences are
saying that ' y ° u know, it wasn't him at all'. To me that is a direct insult. In a way, I
could take that very lightly, but I just can't accept the fact that science and religion
go together. In science, I feel like I am drawn away from religion and that really
worries me a lot, because I feel I am being taken away from what I have been a part
of, which is religion. If I go towards religion, I feel like I am not giving science a
chance at all, and therefore I feel like I am not giving science a chance and I can't
see myself doing that, because I am a person of morals.
I have to refute your claim that the universe was created four billion years ago.
I think that the earth has been created 50,000 years ago, by my belief that is
probably the only firm foundation that I have, I think it is 50,000 and not five
millon. I don't see what possible proof scientists could have that the earth is like 50
billion, how they can say it takes 50 billion years for fossils. When I hear you and
other people talk about how the Earth was created, by referring to the theories of
Big Bang and evolution, I say, well that is wrong. I believe that you are wrong and
I am right—I am right because God has taught me so; and you are wrong because
God did not bring you up that way, you are misinterpreting what the world
actually is.
Brent's scientific and religious discourses both included accounts of concrete
experiences. Lacking concreteness easily led Brent to doubts and disbelief. While
he accepted scientists' (and technologist') authority, he found himself at a loss
when it came to abstract concepts or theories. He associated many of his problems
in learning science with the irreconcilable conflicts between the religious dis-
course—which he learned at home from his parents and in church—and the scien-
tific discourse to which he was introduced at school.
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Conclusions
This study allowed us to explore the complexities in students' scientific and reli-
gious discourse. Our analysis in terms of interpretive repertoires accounted for
students' talk in different contexts. The strength of our analytic scheme of inter-
pretive repertoires lies in the fact that it accounts for the conflicts in discourse
without constructing individuals as 'irrational', and it accounts for the discursive
strategies used to resolve these conflicts.
Our analysis suggests that science teachers may have to consider helping stu-
dents to develop discursive mediation devices; these would allow students to deal
with conflicting situations. Cobern (1993:949) pointed out that science classroom
learning environments 'can be improved, especially with regard to students who
typically do not do well or who do not like science, if teachers are aware of stu-
dents' world views' (p. 949). The questions that remain to be addressed are related
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allow students to experience science as but one form of inquiry, with a limited
realm of applicability. Such a course needs to be truly interdisciplinary, in which
no single discourse is privileged, such as in some 'science in society' courses, where
scientific discourses dominate at the expense of the social and humanistic dis-
courses.
Acknowledgements
We are grateful to Brent, the student who participated in the study and who
continued to encourage us in our work as we talked to him about our draft ver-
sions. He expressed his sincere hope that this study might help those who experi-
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ence similar belief conflicts. We thank Bill Cobern for repeated feedback and
encouragement; Anita Roychoudhury and Michael Bowen for their help in reflect-
ing on the study in all its phases; and Ken Tobin, David Gruender and Lanny
Kanevski for comments on earlier drafts.
Address correspondence to Wolff-Michael Roth, Faculty of Education, Simon
Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada V5A 1S6. E. mail address via Internet:
[email protected].
Notes
1. Because of the problems associated with mapping talk and text onto underlying cognitive
representations (Edwards and Potter 1992), this article takes as its central tenet the
primacy of language as a reality-constituting practice. Rather than focusing on under-
lying 'beliefs' and 'conceptions', we studied students' discourse. This aspect of our
approach is explained in greater detail in the section on interpretive repertoires.
2. Todd, the co-author of this article, is identified by his real name throughout the manu-
script. He currently studies medicine at the University of Western Ontario. This article
was drafted while he was still a high school student. Brent and Ian are the pseudonyms
for two other students.
3. It was also implicit in the conceptualization and design of the study, was part of the
ecology of the interview situations, and unavoidably determined the reading of the data
sources.
4. Incidentally, Feyerabend (1991) suggested that scientific discourse shares some essential
features with orthodox discourse in some Christian denominations.
5. We both lived in the same residence. One of us was head boy, a senior student repre-
sentative, the other served in an advisory and supervisory position. Our positions
entailed daily contacts which often evolved into prolonged discussions on topics that
ranged from the strictly academic to the personal, aesthetic and ethico-moral.
6. For an interesting account of the discursive construction of Self see Edwards and Potter
(1992).
7. As a graduate student, Louis de Broglie made the proposal to treat matter as wave. This
proposal is said to have been treated as outrageous by professors and graduate students at
de Broglie's institution until Einstein, during a visit to de Broglie's institution, recog-
nized it as a major advance in theoretical physics.
8. Todd maintained that evolution and creation, for example, are different but socially
constructed ordering stories. We use the complementarity principle when speakers
invoke different descriptons to explain a phenomenon, all of which may they regard
true depending on the context.
9. The emphasis is Brent's.
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