Hondata Tuning Guide
Hondata Tuning Guide
Hondata Tuning Guide
Goals of tuning:
- The overall goal should be having educated customers: they should know what to expect from
tuning and not have unrealistic expectations
- Reliability is important: always know what is safe and what isn’t, depending on the project
- Repeatability of runs (know all the factors that affect it; synthetic gear oil, for example, takes
longer to warm up, water temp, air temp, etc.)
- Maximum power is really only “marketing power.” A complete tuning package also includes
easy starting, steady idling and good drivability.
- Road tuning is just as important as dyno tuning; the dyno only tells part of the story and real
world conditions are very different.
- Part throttle is very hard to tune (and also to sell as it takes much longer!)
- Tuning for economy/emissions. It IS possible to have BOTH power AND economy. Same for
emissions.
- A road car is at WOT (Wide Open Throttle) only 0.1% of the time and part throttle 99.9% of
the time.
- Part throttle tuning takes much longer (and costs a lot more), but done right makes for much
better responsiveness and fuel economy. Some of the replacement chips out there only go for
WOT top power. Some of those chips are very specialized, offer no ignition control, and
generate error codes. Simply switching those codes off is not a good thing.
- Psychology of VTEC: The VTEC “kick” really shouldn’t be there if the engine is well tuned.
Then the curve should be totally smooth. Interestingly, some people think the car with the VTEC
“kick” has more power when, in fact, it has less.
Reliability:
- How high do people rev? Some said as high as 10,500. This is hardly ever needed as power
drops off with most cams well below that. Hondata usually sets the rev limit about 500 rpm past
the power peak. That way when you shift you drop back to a good high rev point, but one with
lots of power left. How high should you rev? That depends on the strength of the rods and
pistons. And valve bounce can damage pistons.
- Don't set the rev limiter any higher than 8600 rpm on a stock engine.
- Running rich/lean? Proper rich/lean tuning is extremely important. An interesting point: the
Mugen thermostat and similar do not let engine ever warm up all the way so that tuning gets
harder because the engine keeps adding fuel.
- Ignition advance knock: If the spark is fired too soon, the piston is still coming up and the
flame front bops into the piston. That can mean broken rods, worn bearings, or blown head
gaskets. Sacrificing the last 5 or 10 hp in a highly tuned engine will greatly increase longevity.
- Knock: one problem is that knock sensor reporting to the computer is not very good and the
computer isn’t well equipped to accommodate. The knock sensor is actually a microphone; you
can put headphones on and hear the knocking and which cylinder knocks.
- Altitude: table columns 1-10 must be tuned for higher altitude operation
- Fuel pressure: Some people think higher fuel pressure is better. That is not always so. Low
pressure means cooler fuel, pump and injectors. Some pumps actually move lower volume at
higher pressure. Basically, higher fuel pressure does not appear what Hondata recommends. 50-
60 psi is the max Hondata recommends.
Dyno repeatability:
- They are loaded in the software and you can pull them up
- Study them: The lines are nice and smooth and parallel
Road tuning
- Dyno is different from road and different dynos load the engine differently
- Underhood airflow is different between dyno and road tuning
- WOT air/fuel seems richer on a dyno than on the road, up to a full AF point
- Don’t forget to switch back to enabling closed loop after tuning!
Knock
- The knock sensor is a tuned microphone. You can build one from a speaker amp ($30).
- The Civic Si ECU will not advance / retard on knock
- Knock sounds like a sharp ticking
- The knock counter resets every time the engine is started
Injectors
- Use saturated injectors (12 ohms) like the new 440 and 550’s from RC Engineering
- Stock Civic Si has 310 cc injectors
- 550 cc injectors at 50 psi fuel pressure can handle approximately 320-350 whp
- The Honda stock fuel pump is good for 250-290 whp
- Records a large number of sensor values from the car’s ECU and stores the data in a connected
laptop computer
- Can be used to adjust fuel to get to proper Lambda values
- Measures intake system efficiency with the MAP sensor that senses air pressure or vacuum in
the intake manifold (the ECU uses MAP input as an indication of engine load when adjusting
air/fuel mixture and spark timing)
- Shows short and long term fuel trim (computer adjusts short term according to Oxygen sensor
readings to a long term fuel trim value over a period of time, days, weeks) Watch for bad
Oxygen sensors! Resetting the ECU sets the long term fuel trim back to zero.
- Shows intake air temperature compared to outside
- Shows injector duty cycle (should be under 90%). 100% means the injectors always open and
cannot supply as much fuel as is needed.
General hints:
- Use a COLD AIR INTAKE! Something like the T1R Intake has better flow and is better than
the stock airbox, but does not perform as well as a CAI.
- Use the Hondata heatshield gasket to keep the manifold from heating up and also to help it cool
down quicker.
- Insulate/wrap your intake to keep air as cool as possible
- A CAI can provide an additional 0.3-0.7 psi more boost. Hot air costs boost pressure.
- The JRSC needs very little ignition timing retard vs. stock
- Turbo retard 18-20 degrees from 12 psi up
*Erick’s Racing 9.99 second ¼-mile Civic that has 300+ wheel hp on a 2.2 liter engine with the
stock ignition and 10,500 rpm limit.
- The stock Civic Si ECU does not run rich at high rpm
- The Civic Si stock ignition timing is not conversative
- It is VERY sensitive to the knock sensor
- Once tuned, there is more power, yet the same or better emission, and better economy.
The iVTEC system of the Civic Si is a combination of VTEC and VTC. VTEC basically creates
one camshaft profile for good low end drivability, torque and fuel economy, and a second more
aggressive “wild” camshaft profile for high end power (the “low speed” and “high speed”). VTC
rotates the camshaft by a total of 50 degrees which results in different valve opening overlaps by
changing the relative timing between the intake and exhaust valves. Both VTC and VTEC use oil
pressure systems controlled by the ECU. The combination of VTEC and VTC enhances the
effectiveness of VTEC and offers great tuning opportunities, especially smoothing the midrange
and adding power there.
Properly setting and manipulating the cam angles is the most important aspect of tuning the K-
Series engine. Basically, what Hondata does dyno runs with the cam angles fixed and see what
cam angle produces the highest power at each rpm range. Then they built a composite cam map
where the cam is at the angle that produces the highest power at each point of the rpm curve.
The FlashPro Manager software has datalogging built-in.Some of the handy “Parameters”
settings of the FlashPro Manager software are:
- For tuning, turn off closed loop because you want to be in open loop so that ECU doesn’t
constantly compensate
- Knock: “K. Count” is in the Sensors list and shows how often computer felt the engine
knocked. Knock is a stored value, long-term. You can go see where the knocks occur and then
see if the AF ratio is okay. If so, then check ignition advance. There can be dozens or hundreds
of knock counts in a second (zoom in to see closely).
While the variable cam timing is terrific for tuning, having a constantly moving cam also means
that it takes a longer time to tune all this. Doug has explained that when tuning a car and
developing the optimal calibrations, they actually do dyno’s at each angle then see what cam
angle is best for maximum power at each rpm. Doug has shown high-speed WOT dyno graphs
for each cam angle. In general, between 3000 and 6000 rpm, the larger the angle the better the
power. However, between 1500 and 3000 different angles produce best power, and at high rpms
also.
Proper tuning at the VTEC point and setting the VTEC point
Getting the VTEC point right, and setting the cam angles at the cross-over right, is very
important and one of the most difficult tuning tasks. If not done right, the curve is bumpy and
performance suffers. This can happen when the low speed cam angle at the switch-over is far
apart from the high speed cam angle, so that the cam needs to rotate by a lot. This can result in a
power dip for a few hundred rpm after VTEC while the cam rotates into proper position. As for
where to set the VTC point, it should be at the intersection of the low speed and the high speed
torque curve.
- Cam takes 0.1 seconds to rotate 10 degrees, so you have to start rotating the cam angle before
VTEC so that the low cam and high cam angles are not far apart at the VTEC Point
- Done right, the VTEC switch noise is greatly reduced; the difference in noise is because when
VTEC engages you’re really running a different engine
- It’s better to sacrifice a bit of power before the VTEC point to gain it back and more after
VTEC
- Getting the VTEC Point right is hardest to do on turbo motors (they generally want a high
VTEC point)!
- Cam advance should be biggest (50 degrees) right after VTEC Point and then all the way up to
6500-7000 rpm
- After 7000 rpm, gradually take cam angle back to 25 degrees at redline.
- In general, with high backpressure you should retard the cam angles and raise the VTEC point,
with low backpressure the opposite
- Use variable VTEC window, with lower boundary at point of highest power (intersection of
low-speed and high-speed torque curves) at 90 kPa and upper boundary at 5,800 at 25kPa.
- The longer the primary and secondary runners on a header the lower the VTEC point.
- Air/fuel ratio that makes best power at WOT under full load is 13-13.5
- If your cam angle is ever 0 at 8000 rpm, you have a major exhaust restriction which needs to be
looked at.
- Retarding the cam can mean picking up 40 horsepower at high RPM.
- Use a fixed VTEC point. Since the crossover is high, the VTEC point should be high, around
6,000.
- However, a tubular turbo manifold setup may need a VTEC point of 4000-4500 rpm.
In general, with high backpressure you should retard the cam angles and raise the VTEC point,
with low backpressure the opposite
For extreme cams, add lots of timing at low end for impressive torque gains, raise idle speed,
reduce overlap in part throttle.
Supercharged engines:
Nitrous:
Doug said the use of nitrous was much safer with the FlashPro. He recommended a dry system.
Wet nitrous system are not a very happy match with Civic Si because at redline, the Civic Si cuts
off fuel whereas nitrous continues, instantly leaning things to catastrophic levels. Nitrous works
quite well with boosted engines. They get higher boost (by about 0.5 psi) and the supercharger
acts as a nitrous mixer. Hondata tried a JRSC with 7 PSI and N2O. The nitrous dry system added
boost but they found the belt slipping at high RPM (Doug runs DC twin canister exhaust and
7psi on his car). Ignition should be retarded, the system needs larger injectors, and nitrous should
be shot off before redline. With turbo engines, nitrous can reduce turbo lag by spooling up the
turbine more quickly.
For tuning purposes it is important to know the resonance point (the rpm where the intake makes
that extra sound as if you were blowing on a bottle) of a CAI. For example, the AEM CAI on an
RSX-S has a resonance point of 5200, the short ram AEM V2’s is at about 5900. Longer pipes
have lower resonance points. There is a torque peak (and often a lean spot because an untuned
motor doesn’t get enough fuel) at the resonance point. You can tune for different intakes. Doug
has mentioned that pressurized intakes can really make a difference. Build a box around it to
force air into it.
Intake manifolds:
Doug has shown some dyno runs of stock Type-S versus the Integra Type R intake manifold
which has slightly fatter runners, and so should do better. However, the horsepower difference is
primarily at the high end where the Type R peaks at higher rpm.
Theoretical contemplation on injector positioning: They should be at the top of the runner. This
would be bad for emissions but good for power. Doug has spoken of the power benefits of
cooling fuel. 20 degree Celsius difference means 1% more power.
- Valve spring pressure too high is bad news as there isn’t enough lubrication.
- Cams can be installed incorrectly.
- TPS and MAP sensor can be reversed.
- The MAP was not relocated in a supercharger installation. (It must be AFTER the compressor.
- The supercharger belt can be slipping
A stock K20A2 engine makes between 160 and 175 wheel hp. That is quite a big difference in a
modern precision engine and it could be because of different sensitivity in knock sensor. Doug
went on to show dyno sheets of a variety of mods they added to a stock motor.
A Hondata reflash added almost 20 hp on top (the primary benefit is the mid range power), an
AEM CAI another 10 to about 190. A Greddy catback exhaust added a bit and ITR cams another
15 hp. Raceheaders from Comptech added an impressive 15 up to almost 230. A ITR manifold
boosted the high-end a bit and placed peak power more into the 8000s. Titanium exhaust and
pulleys added a few hp but not much. Finally they installed a ported big valve head with Toda
cams, for a result of almost 250 all-motor whp. Hytech exhaust, 12:1 pistons, cams and intake
raised that figure up to 270.
Another project (Hasport/Jackson Racing Civic Type R) replaced the K20A2 bottom with a K24
CRV bottom. This brought 40 pounds extra torque, but power dropped off quicker at the high
end. Initial peak power was 210 whp. They added an 8psi JRSC and got torque of over 230 foot-
pounds and over 290 whp.
- Intake Gasket
- CAI
- ECU Reflash
- Header/Exhaust
- FlashPro and tuning
- Cams
- Nitrous and boost
- K24 bottom end swap
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"It's not about peak power, It's all about peak performance on the road where driveability
and acceleration trump a big dyno number"