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is it possible to modify the output voltage/current of an smps ???   by kripton2035 on 10 Aug, 2012 07:56

hi,

I bought a 10w led light recently on ebay.


I thought it was really not bright compared to other led lights I have
ok it was cheap ...
so I opened it, and measured 11.2V and 0.58A on the led pins. this makes 6.5W and not  10W
that may explain the problem.

the power supply is a very small smps, after the transformer there is only a diode, a capacitor and the led (and a 20k resistor in // of
the led why ?)
at the primary there is an oscillator, a small mos and the transformer. no optocoupler.

is there a way to slightly increase the voltage and or the current of such supply ?
or is it only the transformer that defines them

thanks.

Reply #1   by hlavac on 10 Aug, 2012 22:04

Sounds like a unregulated isolated flyback topology.


Is the smps mains powered?

Given you don't change the transformer so your inductance is fixed


and your input voltage does not change there is only the frequency and duty cycle of the oscillator
left to play with, and the secondary side diode to improve efficiency.

I would first see what the voltage drop across the diode is,
the circuit may have been designed for a better one and later a cheaper bad diode was substituted.
Maybe replace the diode with one with lower voltage drop at the current it is working on.

After that, I would check the current waveform on the transformer for discontinuity.
If the off period of the switch is longer than the time it takes to dump the energy into the secondary
there would be room for improvement of power transfer.
You would need to tweak the duty cycle of the oscillator to match the off cycle with the dump time as closely as possible.

Reply #2   by kripton2035 on 11 Aug, 2012 00:43

good point, the diode is a SF24 which has a forward voltage of 0.85V around 600mA ...
I have in stock a SB560 which has only 0.45V at 1A... will try it
thanks for the tip !

Reply #3   by kripton2035 on 11 Aug, 2012 00:47


I fed the led directly with a power supply. to get 10W of power, it gives me 12.3V and 800mA
can I go with more voltage on these led or is it enought ?
10W leds are often given for a Vf of 9-10V
at what voltage can we go without too much risk to burn the led ?

Reply #4   by kripton2035 on 11 Aug, 2012 00:52


Quote from: hlavac on 10 Aug, 2012 22:04

Sounds like a unregulated isolated flyback topology.


Is the smps mains powered?

yes it is a 85-260V mains supply

Reply #5   by T4P on 11 Aug, 2012 01:36


Quote from: kripton2035 on 11 Aug, 2012 00:47

I fed the led directly with a power supply. to get 10W of power, it gives me 12.3V and 800mA
can I go with more voltage on these led or is it enought ?
10W leds are often given for a Vf of 9-10V
at what voltage can we go without too much risk to burn the led ?

I'm not sure about that but if it's current limited, well then it's ok
I'm not entirely sure a higher Vf will result in life shortening, or current limiting will not affect the life of the LED

Reply #6   by hlavac on 11 Aug, 2012 02:31


Quote from: kripton2035 on 11 Aug, 2012 00:43

good point, the diode is a SF24 which has a forward voltage of 0.85V around 600mA ...
I have in stock a SB560 which has only 0.45V at 1A... will try it
thanks for the tip !

Be careful about reverse voltage, SF24 has 200V but SB560 only 60V!

Flyback smps tend to use 1:1, 1:2 or 1:4 transformers which puts a significant part of mains voltage across secondary during the
switch on period!

Reply #7   by hlavac on 11 Aug, 2012 02:39

Your transformer is probably 1:2 (rectified 260V AC gives about 368V, 400V with 10% margin, original diode is for 200V or half that
for a reason)

Reply #8   by nctnico on 11 Aug, 2012 04:20


Quote from: hlavac on 11 Aug, 2012 02:31

Quote from: kripton2035 on 11 Aug, 2012 00:43

good point, the diode is a SF24 which has a forward voltage of 0.85V around 600mA ...
I have in stock a SB560 which has only 0.45V at 1A... will try it
thanks for the tip !

Be careful about reverse voltage, SF24 has 200V but SB560 only 60V!

Flyback smps tend to use 1:1, 1:2 or 1:4 transformers which puts a significant part of mains voltage across secondary during the switch on period!

From where did you get that? Maybe for higher output voltages like 24V the turns ratio is close to 1:4 but for lower voltages the turns
ratio is definitely larger. In any SMPS topology the peak output current reflects back to the switch (mosfet) divided by the turns ratio.

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