Maus II Discussion Notes
Maus II Discussion Notes
• 5-5:50:
⁃ Opening discussion
⁃ Opening of “Auschwitz (Time Flies)” chapter (Art as author)
⁃ Opening pages of comic (Representation of Francoise)
• 6-6:50:
⁃ Conflict between Art/Vladek’s perspectives (NO LATER THAN 6:20)
⁃ Hitchhiker scene (NO LATER THAN 6:30)
⁃ Photo of Vladek/related scene (NO LATER THAN 6:40)
⁃ Final scene (NO LATER THAN 6:45)
• 7-7:50:
⁃ Talk about issues from last assignment
⁃ Talk about final paper (essay itself, proposal, and bibliography)
⁃ Go over proposals (start no later than 7:30)
• Start: story about Spiegelman (highlights both the issues the book presents and
Spiegelman’s perspective on them)
⁃ Maus I is published in 1986, Maus II in 1991
⁃ Both are unprecedented success for comics, especially in terms of appealing to
readers who would have no interest in the medium otherwise
⁃ Maus II makes the NYT bestseller list (mark of prestige and attraction for a non-
traditional comics audience)
⁃ Bestseller list is divided into works of fiction and non-fiction: Maus is put on the
fiction list
⁃ Spiegelman writes letter to the editor (read quote)
⁃ NYT responds by eventually moving the comic to the non-fiction list
⁃ Before they do, an editor responds (informally; not in print) by suggesting
that they only classify the comic as non-fiction if they go to Spiegelman’s
house and a mouse answers the door
⁃ Highlights the complexities of the questions of how to depict history
⁃ Questions that are at the heart of Maus (as a whole)
⁃ Introduced in vol. 1, but tackled even more explicitly in vol. 2
⁃ As we see in the quotation, Spiegelman believes very deeply that this is a
work of non-fiction
⁃ Justifiably so: Spiegelman spent time interviewing his Holocaust
survivor father and doing extensive research to complement his
father’s perspective
⁃ P. 133 in vol. 1 (bottom tier): “I’ve just gotta write this
conversation down before I forget it”
⁃ Tape recorder at p. 73: Spiegelman puts an emphasis on his
commitment to accuracy
⁃ We’ll talk today about how Spiegelman does and
doesn’t continue this commitment in vol. 2
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⁃ At the same time, I think that Maus wants us to ask what a word
like “non-fiction” or “truth” even means in any context
⁃ All the more troublesome in the case of representing
histories of mass violence (true of representing the
Holocaust, also colonialism and slavery, as we saw in
previous weeks)
⁃ Vol. 1, p. 131 (last panel): “In some ways he’s just like the
racist caricature of the miserly old Jew”
⁃ Spiegelman acknowledges that his representation
of Vladek plays into Jewish stereotypes
⁃ Turn to next page: “I’m just trying to portray
my father accurately!”
⁃ Throws his hands up
⁃ Depiction of Vladek is inextricable from
stereotypes, but also the product of Art’s
commitment to accuracy
⁃ Interrogation of truth in the comic’s central means of
representation: the work is rooted in Spiegelman’s
interviews with Vladek and other research about the
Holocaust
⁃ On the other hand, the use of cartoon animals works
directly against the commitment to accuracy (I.e. In
every image, we see that this is a product of
Spiegelman’s imagination)
⁃ This is true, to some extent, with all comics:
we talked in Louis Riel about how Brown’s
voice constantly asserts itself through the
images, we saw the use of superhero and
Christlike imagery in Nat Turner
⁃ Reminding us that these historical
works are also the products of artists
with particular perspectives
⁃ *Maybe* (up for debate)
Spiegelman’s use of the animals
makes his artistic influence over the
depiction of the history even clearer
than in any work we’ve seen thus far
⁃ Spiegelman is grappling with these issues throughout both volumes of
Maus, and most in II
⁃ Mask calls attention, as Spiegelman often does, to ways in which the comic has
been purposefully crafted (also seen in chapter title) (ask: what can you tell me
about it?)
⁃ here, “Auschwitz” (name of concentration camp)
⁃ Corrective to previous chapter title: “Mauschwitz”
⁃ There, Spiegelman employs the cheap play on words to
keep the comic separate from the actual Holocaust (where
there was a very real Auschwitz)
⁃ Once we’re in the comic, we know that it’s Auschwitz, but
Spiegelman separates them at 1st (here they’re less distinct)
⁃ “Time flies” (inadequacy of metaphor)
⁃ Link back to p. 56 in vol 1: “we had to move mountains”
⁃ Metaphorical phrase, but also describes what Vladek
actually does
⁃ Calls attention to the inadequacy of metaphor to
represent the Holocaust (I.e. If metaphors are
supposed to exaggerate something, here we’re
confronted with the inability to exaggerate the
Holocaust)
⁃ Our entire story is told through metaphor:
Spiegelman calls attention to the inadequacy of his
entire project (think back to fiction/non-fiction
tension)
⁃ Likewise, here we have a metaphor made literal (“time flies when
you’re having fun”)
⁃ Irony of the very un-fun act of discussing the Holocaust w/
a survivor (emphasized by the image of the burning Jewish
victims)
⁃ Literal flies swarming the corpses (non-diegetic: calling
attention to the “bleeding” of the chronologies)
⁃ i.e. The victim of the Holocaust are inextricable
from Art’s present
⁃ “Time flies” contrasts with what we see in the beginning of the
chapter: time is not going forward, but Art is instead continuing to
be stuck in the past of the Holocaust
⁃ Like Vladek on the stationary bike in vol. 1, pedaling but
not going anywhere, Art continues to ruminate on the
Holocaust
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⁃ ASK: what about the visual depiction of the flies? Flies disrupt the
story contained within the panel by breaking out of it
⁃ Unlike the other title page images (contained within
panels), flies disrupt the contained space of the panel
Another use of animals, but here they’re clearly not
supposed to be people
⁃ (ASK: what else on page?) P. 41: corpses like crumpled paper underneath desk
⁃ (i.e. Holocaust/present day colliding/“bleeding”: especially w/ corpses in
“Prisoner” in vol. 1 [103])
⁃ They’re also the product of Art’s creation: sitting in this chair, at his desk,
he has created these corpses (what my office tends to look like)
⁃ Back to Vladek on the stationary bike in vol. 1: not moving forward,
expending effort of pedaling while continuing to relive his past experience
⁃ Here, Art continues to create Jewish corpses
⁃ P. 41: Nazi guard tower outside Art’s window (bottom panel)
⁃ “We’re ready to shoot!” (at this point, we don’t know that this refers to the
journalists)
⁃ The only frame of reference we have for these words comes from
the Nazi tower (I.e. Art as victim of Nazi shooting, as we’ve seen
that many Jews were)
⁃ As we end the page with the corpses, we’re left with the suspense of what
the “shoot” means
⁃ P. 42: we have the temporary relief of seeing that the shooting does not refer to
the Nazi tower we saw at the bottom of p. 41, but the journalists we see on p. 42
⁃ As we see their interrogation of Art (window without tower in 1st panel)
(think back to Dr. Manhattan’s hostile interview in Watchmen), we see that
the journalists aren’t something to be relieved by at all
⁃ P. 42: marketers/reporters talking with Spiegelman about work
⁃ Bottom of p. 42: shrinking Art (ask: what do we make of this?)
⁃ Art feeling powerless to deal with the pressure that Maus has
brought on (back to vol. 2 title)
⁃ Last tier: “I want…my mommy!” (double meeting of childishness
and Anja’s absence)
⁃ Who, of course, he can’t have, both due to her suicide and
the destruction of her diaries
⁃ Also important to think about w/ the fiction/non-fiction tension: a
deviation from reality that’s separate from the central animal
metaphor
⁃ Image of the shrinking Art gives credit to the classification
of the comic as “fiction”
⁃ *But*, the image is very true to what Art feels at this time
(non-fiction)
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⁃ P. 43: “Sometimes, I just don’t feel like a functioning adult” (ask: what’s here?)
⁃ Image of Art as child comes before this
⁃ 2nd tier: window has barbed wire and guard tower (“bleeding” of settings)
⁃ Art walks to therapist’s office: corpses litter the sidewalk (I.e. They’ve
gone beyond his office) (return of “spotlight motif” from I [35, 51, 69])
⁃ 3rd tier: animals in therapist’s office
⁃ Caption: “Can I mention this, or does it completely louse up my
metaphor?” (louse itself being a small insect)
⁃ Suggestion of honesty here: Spiegelman is presenting his
struggle with how to tell the story (undermined by the
tongue-in-cheek pun)
⁃ Bottom tier: “Framed photo of a pet cat. Really!”
⁃ *Somewhat* like rat on p. 147 in vol 1: reminding us that these
animals exist outside of Spiegelman’s metaphor
⁃ “Really!”: plea for the reader to take him seriously
⁃ Emphasizing the veracity of Art’s depiction
⁃ Direct contradiction of bottom of p. 16: “In real life you’d never
have let me talk this long without interrupting”
⁃ We’ve read this already, so it’s in our minds
⁃ Spiegelman is training us to doubt the completeness/
accuracy of anything in the comic
⁃ Now, when we see “really,” we know to be skeptical
⁃ P. 44-45: Art talking to therapist (ASK: how can we relate this scene [especially
45] to the comic as a whole?)
⁃ 2nd tier: “I’m not talking about YOUR book now, but look at how many
books have already been written about the Holocaust. What’s the point?
People haven’t changed” (45)
⁃ But, of course, therapist’s words *do* refer to Spiegelman’s book
(how could they not?)
⁃ Art chooses to present this conversation as he does (he
could have not shown a Holocaust survivor questioning the
very premise of the comic)
⁃ 3 tier: Therap - “Anyway, the victims who died can never tell
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THEIR side of the story, so maybe it’s better not to have any more
stories”
⁃ Maus works against this by featuring the voice of a
survivor, but still one filtered through someone who didn’t
experience the Holocaust firsthand
⁃ Notable voice we don’t get in the comic: Anja (she speaks
entirely through Art and Vladek)
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⁃ P. 14-16: Conversation between Art and Francoise (we get an explanation of why
Art wants to write about the Holocaust at all, and why he does it the way he does)
(ask: what about this conversation is significant to the comic?)
⁃ “I mean, I can’t even make any sense out of my relationship with my
father…how am I supposed to make any sense out of Auschwitz? … Of
the Holocaust?” (14, 3rd tier)
⁃ Essential struggle of book: figuring out how to represent
something he can’t understand
⁃ Struggle w/ both the Holocaust itself and his personal relationship
w/ his father (I.e. Struggles w/ father in part because of the
Holocaust)
⁃ Issues that he’s discussing w/ therapist on p. 46: how to capture
both what the Holocaust looked like and how it felt
⁃ “I know this is insane, but I somehow wish I had been in Auschwitz with
my parents so I could really know what they lived through! I guess it’s
some kind of guilt about having had an easier life than they did” (16, 2nd
tier)
⁃ Suggestion of possible motivation for the book (to experience)
⁃ I.e. He gets to do that (SORT OF) by writing the book
⁃ But, of course, he doesn’t actually have the experience of
living through Auschwitz
⁃ Emphasized by the cartoonishness of the talking animals
⁃ Specific mode of representation: “There’s so much I’ll never be able to
understand or visualize. I mean, reality is too complex for comics…so
much has to be left out or distorted” (16, last tier)
⁃ Literal explanation of why Art draws the book as he does
(distortion is exactly what he does throughout the comic)
⁃ Back to p. 46: regardless, still trying to imagine details
⁃ With those details, and the distortion used to emphasize Art’s experience,
the work still gets the “non-fiction” label
⁃ *But*, it’s nonfiction presented in the only way Spiegelman sees
as fit (I.e. Because “reality is too complex”)
⁃ Next panel: “See what I mean…In real life you’d never let me talk this long
without interrupting”
⁃ Spiegelman openly reminding us that this is a comic
⁃ Somewhat comparable to scene at p. 133 in I: “I’ve just gotta write this
conversation down before I forget it!”
⁃ There, Art is calling attention to his commitment to accuracy
(while openly highlighting his work’s essential inaccuracy in every
drawing)
⁃ Here, Spiegelman states explicitly that we’re not meant to treat the comic
as having a 1-to-1 relationship with life
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⁃ Since we end up with the diagram in the comic, Art’s desire for
precision wins out (I.e. He reminds us that he controls the story—
as w/ orchestra)
⁃ Timeline interrupts Vladek’s speech quite literally in 1st tier
—juts into his speech balloon, which ends w/ Art cutting
him off
⁃ Also covers up part of image of Vladek in 1st and 2nd
tiers
⁃ Francoise’s speech balloon covers it up in the 3rd tier
⁃ Back to beginning of II: starts w/ Art being concerned w/
how to represent Francoise
⁃ There, the decision to represent her as a mouse
appears to come more from her desire than Art’s
(reflected in speech balloon covering up Art’s
timeline)
⁃ Fra in last tier: “I was worried. You were gone a long time”
⁃ Ironic because Art/us have been listening to this
story in which Vladek has been separated from his
wife for much longer and under threat of Holocaust
⁃ Again: “bleeding” of history (ways in which
stories overlap)
⁃ Also: reminds us of the difference between
Art/Vladek’s perspectives (Art and
Francoise *aren’t* in the Holocaust, so the
trivial separation compared to what Vladek
and Anja experience feels like a big deal)
⁃ Art gets to have the last word in the context of the comic: solves
the problem as he sees fit
⁃ *Also* think back to Art’s specificity w/ dates on p. 41 (specific
references to days on which things happen)
⁃ We see here that dates are a preoccupation for Art (who
tells us the story)
⁃ Contrasts w/ Vladek: “So?… In Auschwitz we didn’t wear
watches”
⁃ Direct connection between Vladek being a survivor
and his lack of interest in time
⁃ *But* Art isn’t a survivor, and this, in part, allows him to
be more interested in time
⁃ As we have throughout both volumes, we see the
discrepancy between Art and Vladek
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⁃ Here, it’s evidence for Art, and us, of the reality of Vladek’s
story
⁃ Also evidence for Vladek himself: reminder of his
experience
⁃ “Bleeding” of history: photo is evidence for Art, Anja, Vladek, and
us, but all in different ways
⁃ Comes right before sequence w/ Gypsy: she sees Anja’s past and tells her
that Vladek is alive (presumably some license taken here)
⁃ Levels of narrative: Art gets this story from Vladek, who must
have gotten it from Anja
⁃ (i.e. Many places where the story could have changed, as we
assume it must have)
⁃ We get Anja’s perspective (I.e. She had to have told this story), but
it’s through Vladek’s voice
⁃ As we saw with the destruction of the diaries, her voice is
lost (only left filtered through Vladek, which is then filtered
through Art) (i.e. Vladek’s heroism at p. 53)
⁃ Important: place where we do get Anja’s voice is also where the
comic dips most clearly into fantasy
⁃ Exaggeration of animal metaphors
⁃ Gypsy moth shows exaggeration/crudeness of
animal metaphor (Gypsy itself is an outdated term)
⁃ One place where I’m sympathetic to the
Harvey perspective: that Spiegelman is
playing into racist notions w/ the animal
metaphor
⁃ Also Swedish reindeer in Stockholm (124-25)
⁃ P. 131: half-Jewish children born to German woman
and Jewish man is shown w/ stripes of cat, but
mouse head (maybe too far)
⁃ Exaggeration reminds us of just how
artificial Spiegelman’s metaphor is
⁃ In these pages, animal metaphor gets pushed farther
than it has been in the rest of the comic (perhaps to
the point of crudeness)
⁃ Fantastical feel to story itself - P. 133: image of Richieu in
overalls (what we see in photo at beginning of beginning of
book, and p. 89, 109, etc. In vol. 1)
⁃ Clear moment of fancy: we can’t expect the fortune
teller to be able to see exactly how Richieu dresses
⁃ After fantasy: Photo of Vla
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⁃ 5 potential tools of any proposal (you don’t have to use all of these, but any
sentence you write in a proposal should probably fall in one of these categories):
⁃ Outlining field
⁃ Explaining what past criticism has been done and how it relates to
your work
⁃ Tool you’re least likely to use for this assignment: I’m not
expecting you to read everything that’s been written on Maus and
find a gap in it (for example)
⁃ *But*, you might read a critic that you really want to respond to
(I.e. My response to Bruno on NT)
⁃ From the criticism that you do read, you might see a gap
that your paper will address
⁃ Justifying research
⁃ Also less important, in the sense of needing your paper to have
appeal beyond the confines of this class (it doesn’t)
⁃ I’m not looking for you to explain, for example, how Fun Home is
a significant contribution to lesbian coming of age stories (beyond
the scope of a 3,000 word paper)
⁃ *But*, in the thesis statement, I will be looking for you to explain
why your observations are significant for your understanding of
the comic you’re writing about (something I commented on in a lot
of papers: a central part of a thesis statement in an English paper)
⁃ The justification might not be in your proposal separate from your
thesis statement, and it might not be significant beyond your
reading of your comic, but that’s enough (I.e. What about your
argument is new or different? What are you saying that someone
else might not pick up on or disagree with relative to the comic?)
⁃ Introducing paper
⁃ Giving the reader some idea of your topic
⁃ More specific than the comic you’re writing about: what
specifically about it does your essay concern?
⁃ Summarizing paper
⁃ i.e. What will your paper say about this topic? What’s going to be
in the body of your essay?
⁃ Key for this: keep in mind that you only have 300 words for
summarizing a 3,000 word paper
⁃ Stick to the main points of your paper (as you see it at the moment)
⁃ Also key: the proposal is in no way a binding contract
⁃ You can, and should, change your ideas for your paper as
you work
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⁃ *But*, this gives you a basic roadmap for what your paper
will be about, and gives me a chance to help you to develop
that roadmap
⁃ Main argument
⁃ Thesis statement
⁃ Most important part: ensuring that you have a clear and concise
argument about your subject
⁃ This is also the part that’s most likely to change: as you write about
your comic, and read secondary sources, your argument very likely
will change
⁃ That’s a good thing! If your argument is good (meaning arguable),
you can/should argue with yourself
⁃ A place for me to help you develop that argument
⁃ Not all of these necessarily have to be present in every proposal you make,
but those are your basic tools
⁃ In expressing those five aspects:
⁃ A particularly useful tool is metadiscourse
⁃ Metadiscourse = Discourse about your paper’s discourse
⁃ I.e. “This paper discusses, I argue,” etc.
⁃ Useful for all academic writing, but particularly in proposals,
where you need to be as precise and efficient as possible
⁃ “I argue” tells your reader that it’s the central argument of your paper
⁃ Your argument should also make sense and you should be clear
about how you’re going to support it, but none of those things will
matter if your reader can’t even figure out where your argument is
⁃ “This paper discusses/examines/etc.” makes your area of interest very
clear
⁃ Started every proposal I’ve ever written this way (I’ve had a good track
record of proposals being accepted)
⁃ Other key aspect for clarifying the focus of your paper: title
⁃ Title should reflect argument/objective/focus of paper (reflecting as much
of paper as possible without being *too* broad)
⁃ Undergrad thesis supervisor: “You don’t know if you have a good
argument until you have a good title”
⁃ When you have as little space as you do in a proposal, every word
becomes even more important for conveying information about your paper
to the reader (I.e. Titles are very important for telling your reader
something about your paper)
⁃ This is why I commented on many of your titles: in proposals and longer
essays, titles are a great place for providing information about the paper
⁃ A way to do titles: Colon, and phrases before and after
⁃ Tony: “play title” and “work title”
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