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    PSV load calculation for gas expantion fire case


    Damoon Nasseri
    Lead Process Engineer at Foster Wheeler Energy Ltd

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    I have an existing Instrument air dryer with a PSV installed to protect


    against fire expansion.
    This is an existing facility and I am validating the original design, which
    is done 20 years ago.
    The problem is if I size PSV according to API, the existing PSV is not
    sufficient, and I was wondering if I can take credit (positive or negative)
    for having desiccant inside the drum and how much, as this is not an
    empty vessel.

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    Sam Izadpanah
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    Since the vessel is dry and there is no wetted surface, you need to be concerned with gas
    expansion PLUS water vapour coming off the desiccant. You can take positive credit for the
    volume occupied by desiccant but I think you should try to calculate the amount of water that will
    be released from the desiccant at high temperature. And it is a single component so it will
    probably come out of the adsorbent at the same time!
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    Saeid Rahimi Mofrad
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    You need to calculate the heat transfer rate inside the vessel through Q = h A (Tw Tg)
    Where
    h = free convention heat transfer = 0.59 (Gr Pr)^1/4 if (Gr Pr)< 10^9
    h = free convention heat transfer = 0.10 (Gr Pr)^1/3 if (Gr Pr)> 10^9

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    Gr and Pr are calculated at the film temperature of (Tw + Tg)/2
    A is the total vessel surface area below 7.4 m (basically cylindrical portion). Tw can be considered
    as 593C. Tg can be assumed as the water boiling temperature at the relief valve set pressure.

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    The relief load will be W = Q / water latent heat at relief valve set pressure
    This ignores the vessel content heating up period and MCp DT and simply assumes that all heat
    input is used for water vaporization.
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    Ahmad Ehsani
    Management Consultant at Oil and Energy Industries Development co. OEID/ Senior
    Technical Consultant at LUKOIL
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    Dont Worry About the size of the PSV. The vessel is full of desicant so there is small free space
    for air or gas . Also the water adsorbed by desicant is not too much to make problem in case of
    fire.it can be checked by reviewing the data sheet for dryer .
    The real vessel volume for PSV sizing in this case is much less than the apparent vesel volume .
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    I don't agree with Ahmad that there is no worry about the size of the PSV in this service. As far as
    there is a gas inside the system, the gas expansion needs to be considered. And in this
    particular case when the gas temperature reaches water boiling temperature, water will vaporize
    and over-pressurize the vessel. It is only a bit more complicated as the liquid inside the vessel is
    not in contact with vessel metal similar to fire - wetted case.

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    In fact, referring to API equation for unwetted vessels under fire, the gas volume has no effect on
    the relief rate. It does not matter if 80% of the system is filled with desiccant or 10%, the fire rate
    is function of DT/Dtime for the trapped gas. Therefore, fire case is applicable and the relief valve
    should be adequately sized for that. Furthermore, considering the fact that desiccants are porous
    the actual gas volume is most probably much more than the volume of those parts of the vessel
    where there is no adsorbent (which is anyway irrelevant).

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    The solution I have propoesd is indeed the basis on which the API fire equation for unwetted
    vessels has been developed. For more information, please refer to the paper titled as "The Basis
    of API Correlation for Fire Relief of Unwetted Vessels" on my website
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    Did you compare the API gas expansion method with the estimated water vaporisation rate as
    proposed by Saeid ?
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