Handloads 38 Super
Handloads 38 Super
Handloads 38 Super
Powder Choices
In general, the trend has been to using slower-burning powders with lighter (115 125 grain) bullets. This provides good function for hybrid ports and
compensators (even with the newer lower IPSC Major power factor) by increasing the gas volume and pressure. You can get a good idea of the best
powder for a given bullet weight by selecting a powder that is reported to be used by the most shooters for that bullet weight. Some new powders have
been developed over the past few years which seem ideally suited for the .38 Super cartridge loaded to IPSC Major levels. Included are Alliant Power
Pistol, NobelSports Vectan SP2, and the newly-announced VihtaVuori 3N38. NOTE: Powders followed by an asterisk (e.g. WAP*, WSL*, WW540*,
WW571*, 452AA*, Solo 1500*, TRAP 100*) are discontinued powders. There may be some still in the pipeline, but they are no longer being
produced. Consider this when choosing a powder with which to develop a load.
Barrel Types
There are a wide variety of barrels in IPSC .38 Super guns, and a wide variety of compensators mounted on them. In addition to the normal variation inherent
even among guns that are of the same model and configuration, this will result in variations from the experiences of others as reflected in the velocities listed
here. As a rule, loads in barrels with hybrid ports take (often much) more powder to make the same power factor as loads in non-hybrid barrels, and tribrid
barrels take more powder still. When referring to the data, try to find a match to your barrel type. If you cant find a clear match, start your load
development down a bit more than the normally-recommended 10%: perhaps 15% down.
Bullet Choices
The USPSA and the international IPSC rules vary on the minimum bullet weight permitted in competition in the Open Division. The USPSA 14th Edition
(Redbook) rules allow bullet weights down to 112 grains, while the rest of the world, using the IPSC 14th Edition rules, permit no bullets lighter than 120
grains. 115 grain bullets are very popular in this caliber in the USA, but if you plan to compete in Canada or in other international matches you will need to
have a load which conforms to the international 120 grain minimum limit! There seems a trend for competitors to use jacketed hollow point bullets in IPSC
loads. This is generally because the base of such bullets do not have exposed lead, and so they leave less lead deposits in the compensator, although often
JHP bullets are more accurate as well. The competition bullet suppliers (Zero, Montana Gold, etc.) have added 115 grain and 124/125 grain JHP bullets to
their product lines.
Chronograph
It is not possible to safely develop a .38 Super IPSC load without using a chronograph. If you dont have one, seek out a shooter who owns one and who will
let you use it.
Please send additions/corrections to Jeff Maass at [email protected].
2
WHO
BULLET
John Coster
POWDER
6.33gr VV-N320
OAL
?
VEL PF
1440
136.8
() MINOR, Bianchi
5.0gr Bullseye
5.4gr WW231
6.3gr AA5
5.4gr Unique
7.3gr HS6
9.5gr HS7
?
?
?
?
?
?
1200
1200
1250
1200
1200
1318
132.0
132.0
137.5
132.0
132.0
131
(16) MINOR
(16) MINOR
(16) MINOR
(16) MINOR
(16) MINOR
(12) MINOR
Corbon Factory
115gr
FACTORY
1450
166.8
Factory Load
Timo Hietala/VV
Layne Simpson
Hornady 4th Ed.
Sierra 3rd Ed.
Layne Simpson
Ken Waters
Ken Waters
Butch Massoni
Timo Hietala/VV
Butch Massoni
Ken Waters
Layne Simpson
Ken Waters
Ken Waters
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Ken Waters
Hornady 4th Ed.
Sierra 3rd Ed.
Butch Massoni
Hornady 4th Ed.
Sierra 3rd Ed.
115gr FMJ
115gr Sierra FMJ
115gr Hornady XTP/HP
115gr Sierra JHP
115gr Nosler FMJ
115gr Hornady JHP
115gr Hornady JHP
115gr JRN
115gr FMJ
115gr JRN
115gr Zero JHP
115gr Speer TMJ
115gr Hornady JHP
115gr Sierra JHC
115gr Hornady FMJ
115gr Hornady FMJ
115gr Hornady JHP
115gr Hornady XTP/HP
115gr Sierra JHP
115gr JRN
115gr Hornady XTP/HP
115gr Sierra JHP
3.5gr VV-N310
4.8gr Bullseye
4.8gr Bullseye
5.1gr Bullseye
5.0gr 700X
5.0gr 700X
5.5gr 700X
3.4-3.7gr 452AA*
4.0gr VV-N320
4.0-4.3gr WST
5.3gr HP38
6.0gr HP38
5.8gr HP38
6.0gr HP38
5.0gr WW231
5.5gr WW231
5.8gr WW231
5.3gr WW231
5.5gr WW231
4.0gr WW231
6.3gr AA5
6.5gr AA5
1044
1144
1150
1200
1137
1219
1289
900
1044
960
1150
1152
1227
1157
1081
1147
1142
1150
1200
950
1100
1100
120.1
131
132.3
138.0
130
140.2
148.2
103.5
120.1
109+
132.3
132
141.1
132.7
124.3
131
131.2
132.3
138.0
106+
126.5
126.5
(20) MINOR
(12) MINOR
(16) MINOR
(19) MINOR
(12) MINOR
(14) MINOR, Accurate
(14) MINOR,Very Accurate
(8) Steel Load
(20) MINOR
(8) Steel Load
(24) MINOR,Bianchi Cup
(12) MINOR
(14) MINOR, Very. Accurate
(14) MINOR
(26) MINOR
(12) MINOR
(14) MINOR, Accurate
(16) MINOR
(19) MINOR
(8) Steel Load
(16) MINOR
(19) MINOR
1.280"
?
1.245"
1.180"
?
1.240"
1.240"
1.260"
1.280"
1.260"
1.220"
?
1.240"
1.240"
?
?
1.240"
1.245"
1.180"
1.260"
1.245"
1.180"
3
NOTE(S)
WHO
BULLET
Ken Waters
Tim Moore
Alliant Manual
Hodgdon 10/92
Ken Waters
Jack Harrington
Adam Benson
Tom Duda
Hornady 4th Ed.
Hodgdon 26th
Sierra 3rd Ed.
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Don Doyle
Sierra 3rd Ed.
Cliff Meek
Lorie Benson
Adam Benson
Beavis
Ronnie Jones
Winchester
Winchester
Ken Waters
Hornady 4th Ed.
Adam Benson
Lee Leonard
Ronnie Jones
Ken Waters
Karl Rehn
Lorie Benson
Adam Benson
Bill Mueller
POWDER
OAL
6.0gr Unique
4.3gr WSL*
7.3gr Power Pistol
6.0gr Universal
6.0gr SR7625
7.7gr SR7625
8.2gr SR7625
9.6gr SR7625
5.2gr WSF
8.0gr HS6
8.2gr HS6
10.0gr HS6
8.5gr WW540*
10.0gr WW540*
10.0gr WW540*
8.3gr SR4756
10.2gr SR4756
8.8gr VV-3N37
9.4gr VV-3N37
9.8gr VV-3N37
10.0gr VV-3N37
6.6gr WAP*
7.8gr WAP*
7.5gr 800X
5.8gr Solo 1500*
8.6gr VV-N350
8.6gr VV-N350
9.8gr VV-N350
9.0gr HS7
9.2gr HS7
10.3gr HS7
10.6gr HS7
11.4gr WW571*
VEL PF
1.240"
1.260"
1.255
?
1.240"
1.250
1.250
?
1.245"
?
1.180"
?
?
?
1.260"
1.180"
1.260"
1.250
1.250
1.125
1.255"
?
?
1.240"
1.245"
1.250
1.330
1.255"
1.240"
1.255"
1.250
1.250
?
4
1225
950
1345
1229
1167
1478
1465
1580
1100
1142.3
1200
1578
1139
1358
?
1250
1560
1436
1439
1587
1609
1190
1340
1215
1100
1458
~1565
1609
983
1444
1442
NOTE(S)
140.9
109.3
154.7
141.3
134.2
170
168.5
181.7
126.5
131.2
138.0
181.5
131.0
156.2
>175
143.8
179.4
165.1
165.5
182
185.0
136.9
154.1
139.7
126.5
167.7
~180.0
185.0
113.0
140
166.1
165.8
180
WHO
BULLET
Adam Benson
Lorie Benson
Adam Benson
Nobel Sports
Jeff Matche
Luca Cecchini
Chuck Bradley
Roy Stedman
Roy Stedman
Roy Stedman
Karl Rehn
POWDER
11.6gr AA7
9.6gr SP2
10.4gr SP2
11.0gr SP2
11.0gr SP2
11.0gr SP2
11.1gr SP2
10.2gr VV-N105
10.4gr VV-N105
11.0gr VV-N105
11.5gr VV-N110
OAL
1.250
1.250
1.250
?
1.240
1.255
?
1.250
1.245
1.250
1.250"
VEL PF
Darrell Muething
120gr Lead TC
5.7gr Universal
Bruce Cameron
Bruce Cameron
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
NOTE(S)
165.6
167.0
167.6
179.4
179.4
181
187
164.9
171.3
176.0
135.0
1.180 ?
7.7gr VV-N340
8.6gr VV-3N37
1.250 1395
1.245 1365
168.8
165.2
4.1gr Bullseye
4.8gr Bullseye
4.3gr Red Dot
4.8gr Green Dot
4.7gr WST
4.9gr AA2
?
?
?
?
?
?
926
1131
1127
1128
1129
1141
112.9
137
137
137
137
139
(26) SUB-MINOR
(13) MINOR
(13) MINOR
(13) MINOR
(13) MINOR
(13) MINOR
5.3gr Bullseye
4.5gr Red Dot
5.0gr Green Dot
4.6gr WW231
5.0gr WW231
5.2gr WW231
5.6gr WW231
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
1168
1119
1133
968
1012
1096
1150
144
138
140
120.0
125.5
135.9
142
(12) MINOR
(12) MINOR
(12) MINOR
(26) SUB-MINOR
(26) MINOR
(26) MINOR
(12) MINOR
1440
1452
1457
1560
1560
1580
1626
1434
1490
1531
1174
WHO
BULLET
POWDER
Dee Rawson
124gr Zero or MT Gold RMJ
Jack Harrington
124gr Montana Gold FMJ
Bret Heidkamp
124gr FMJ
Richard
124gr D&J FMJ
Dave Templeton 124gr Montana Gold FMJ
Tom Duda
124gr JRN
Roy Stedman
124gr Montana Gold FMJ
Roy Stedman
124gr Montana Gold FMJ
Bruce Cameron
124gr Star FMJ
Jeffrey Vince-Cruz 124gr Remington FMJ
Chet Whistle
124 gr Win JRN
Alan Samuel
124 gr Win JRN
Todd Jarrett
124 gr Hornady FP
Merle Eddington 124 gr Hornady FP
Roy Stedman
124gr Star FMJ
Jerry Barnhart
124gr Horn FMJFN
Vern Walls
124gr Win. FMJRN
Layne Simpson
124gr Horn FMJFN
Erik Warren
124gr Montana Gold JHP
Layne Simpson
124gr Horn FMJFN
Layne Simpson
124gr Horn FMJ
Layne Simpson
124gr Speer TMJ
Layne Simpson
124gr Speer TMJ
George Petrinac 124 gr West Coast RN
Darrell Muething 124gr Win MC
Winchester
124gr FMJ
Winchester
124gr FMJ
Alan Samuel
124gr Win FMJ
Layne Simpson
124gr Horn FMJ
Brian Agron
124gr Montana Gold FMJ
OAL
6.8gr SR7625
7.2gr SR7625
8.2gr SR7625
8.3gr SR7625
8.55gr SR7625
8.55gr SR7625
7.3gr Pwr Pistol
7.3gr VV-N340
7.5gr VV-N340
9.0gr HS6
9.5gr HS6
9.1gr WW540*
10.0gr WW540*
10.3gr WW540*
8.4gr SR4756
9.0gr SR4756
9.2gr SR4756
7.8gr VV-3N37
8.3gr VV-3N37
8.4gr VV-3N37
8.4gr VV-3N37
8.0gr VV-3N37
8.4gr VV-3N37
8.5gr VV-3N37
9.1gr VV-3N37
6.2gr WAP*
7.3gr WAP*
8.8gr WAP*
9.0gr WAP*
9.3gr WAP*
VEL PF
1.240
1.250
1.253
1.250
?
?
1.240
1.245
1.250
1.265
1.255
?
?
?
1.240
?
1.240
1.265"
1.250
1.265"
?
1.265"
1.265"
1.245
1.248"
?
?
?
?
?
1359
1478
1420
1430
1425
1450
1336
1336
1358
1340
1450
?
1497
?
1317
1452
1450
1325
1380
1423
1442
1342
1429
1340
?
1150
1270
?
1458
1415
NOTE(S)
168.5
170
176.1
177.3
176.8
179.8
165.7
165.7
168.4
166.1
179.8
>175
185.6
>175
163.3
180
180
164.3
171.0
176.5
178.8
166.4
177.2
166.2
>175
142.6
157.5
>175
180.8
175.5
WHO
BULLET
POWDER
OAL
VEL PF
Bruce Gary
124gr Montana Gold RN/CMJ
Roy Stedman
124gr Montana Gold FMJ
George Petrinac 124 gr Montana Gold FMJ
Layne Simpson
124gr Horn FMJFN
Layne Simpson
124gr Horn FMJ
Harvey Arnold
124gr Rem. JHP
Alan Long
124gr Horn FMJFN
Layne Simpson
124gr Horn FMJFN
Stanley Trzoniec 124gr Horn FMJFN
Layne Simpson
124gr Speer FMJ
Layne Simpson
124gr Speer FMJ
Bill Mueller
124gr FMJ
VihtaVuori
124gr FMJ/FP
VihtaVuori
124gr FMJ/FP
Jim Anglin
124gr FMJ
Andreas Schwichtenberg
124gr Speer FMJ (0.355)
Jeffrey Vince-Cruz 124gr Remington FMJ
Walter Hornby
124gr MT Gold FMJ
Rob Ryan
124gr Star FMJ
Nobel Sports
124gr Speer TMJ
Chris Kelly
124gr Zero FMJ
Chris Kelly
124gr Zero FMJ
Ronald de Hoog 124gr Fiocchi FMJ
Ronald de Hoog 124gr Fiocchi FMJ
Roy Stedman
124gr Montana Gold FMJ
Todd Bitokofer
124gr Horn FMJFN
Vern Walls
124gr FMJRN
Roy Stedman
124gr FMJ
John Larson
124gr Rem JHP
Tim Bacus
124gr Rem RMJ
7.8gr VV-N350
7.8gr VV-N350
8.2gr VV-N350
8.4gr VV-N350
8.4gr VV-N350
8.7gr VV-N350
8.8gr VV-N350
9.0gr VV-N350
9.0gr HS7
10.2gr HS7
10.2gr HS7
10.3gr WW571*
8.0gr 3N38
9.3gr 3N38
9.6gr 3N38
1.260
1.245
1.245
1.265"
?
1.244
?
1.265"
?
?
?
?
1.260
1.260
?
1355
1375
1344
1412
1431
1444
1439
1506
1200?
1335
1447
8.7gr SP2
9.0gr SP2
9.5gr SP2
9.6gr SP2
9.6gr SP2
9.6gr SP2
9.7gr SP2
11.2gr SP2
11.5gr SP2
9.9gr VV-N105
10.2gr VV-N105
10.2gr VV-N105
10.2gr VV-N105
10.4gr VV-N105
11.0gr VV-N105
1.247
1.265
?
1.250
?
1.245
1.265
?
?
1.245
1.250
1.240
1.245
1.250
1.260
Win. +P Factory
Corbon Factory
FACTORY
FACTORY
NOTE(S)
1110
1464
1445
168.0
170.5
166.6
175.1
177.4
179.0
178.4
186.7
148.8?
165.5
179.4
~180
138.8
181.5
179.2
1352
1373
1390
1393
1444
1456
1449
1476
1468
1385
1460
1444
1460
1450
1475
167.6
170.2
172.4
172.7
179.1
180.5
179.7
183
182
171.7
181.0
179
181.0
179.8
182.9
1240
1350
155.0
168.8
Factory Load
Factory Load
WHO
BULLET
Layne Simpson
Lorie Benson
Adam Benson
Dan Z
Bruce Cameron
Lorie Benson
Adam Benson
Howard Gootkin
Layne Simpson
Ron Iden
Tim Moore
Jeff Maass
Tim Moore
Lorie Benson
John Richards
Bruce Cameron
Adam Benson
Andy Zinser
Beavis
Don DuBose
Alan Long
Adam Benson
Lorie Benson
Howard Gootkin
Andy Zinser
Roger Kooi
Jeff Maass
Beavis
Mark Cicero
Alan Long
David Re
Frants Pedersen
Adam Benson
POWDER
OAL
5.0gr AA2
7.1gr SR7625
7.3gr SR7625
8.1gr SR7625
7.1gr VV-N340
8.3gr SR4756
8.5gr SR4756
8.6gr SR4756
7.1gr AA5
9.1gr HS6
9.4gr WW540*
9.5gr WW540*
8.8gr WW540*
8.0gr VV-3N37
8.3gr VV-3N37
8.4gr VV-3N37
8.5gr VV-3N37
8.7gr VV-3N37
8.6gr VV-3N37
9.1gr VV-3N37
9.2gr VV-3N37
7.7gr VV-N350
7.7gr VV-N350
8.0gr VV-N350
8.1gr VV-N350
8.5gr VV-N350
8.55gr VV-N350
8.6gr VV-N350
8.6gr VV-N350
8.8gr VV-N350
8.9gr VV-N350
9.6gr VV-3N38
9.8gr HS7
VEL PF
?
1.250
1.250
1.260
1.250
1.250
1.250
1.250
?
1.255
1.260"
1.262"
1.260"
1.250
1.250
1.245
1.250
1.250
1.245
1.250
?
1.250
1.250
1.250
1.250
1.250
1.262"
1.255
1.250
?
1.245
1.248
1.250
8
1077
1356
1340
1431
1285
1364
1331
1442
1119
1374
1440
1398
1400
1329
1352
1329
1321
1380
1402
1460
1470
1327
1359
1436
1380
1372
1430
1455
1465
1449
1472
1376
1322
NOTE(S)
135
169.5
167.5
178.9
160.6
170.5
166.4
179.4
138
171.6
180.0
174.7
175.0
166.1
169.0
166.1
165.1
172.5
175
182.5
183.8
165.9
169.9
178.9
172.5
171.5
178.8
181
183
181.1
187
172
165.3
(12) MINOR
(67) 5 non-hybrid barrel
(66) 6 AET Tribrid barrel
(60) Non-hybrid, 9-port comp.
(62) 5.5 Briley non-hybrid, EGW Comp, 92 degF
(67) 5 non-hybrid barrel
(66) 6 AET Tribrid barrel
(56) 5.25 barrel.
(12) MINOR
(71) Yanek/Infinity 6-port comp
(8)
MINOR
(8)
(67) 5 non-hybrid barrel
(74) 6 Comped RPM Revolver
(62) 5.5 Briley non-hybrid, EGW Comp, 72 degF
(66) 6 AET Tribrid barrel
(52)
(32) Non-hybrid, w/ comp
(58) Hybrid, w/comp.
(11)
(66) 6 AET Tribrid barrel
(67) 5 non-hybrid barrel
(56) 5.25 barrel.
(52)
(63) 4-port hybrid, with 3-port comp
ES=18!
(32) Non-hybrid, w/comp
(29)
(11)
(28) Super Comp brass.
(50) Hybrid, w/comp. 3N38 meters well.
(66) 6 AET Tribrid barrel
WHO
BULLET
Layne Simpson
Adam Benson
Lorie Benson
Adam Benson
Mark Cicero
Chris Fretheim
POWDER
10.0gr AA7
10.4gr AA7
8.6gr SP2
9.3gr SP2
9.8gr VV-N105
10.8gr VV-N105
OAL
?
1.250
1.250
1.250
1.255
1.260
VEL PF
1344
1326
1356
1320
1432
1510
168
165.7
169.5
165.0
179
188.8
(12) MINOR
(66) 6 AET Tribrid barrel
(67) 5 non-hybrid barrel
(66) 6 AET Tribrid barrel
(29) Non-hybrid, 6 port comp
(44)
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Tim Moore
S. Greenfield
125gr CS LRN
125gr Bull-X LRN
125gr CS LRN
125gr Bull-X LRN
125gr Bull-X LRN
125gr Bull-X LRN
125gr LRN
125gr Lazercast LRN
5.2gr 700X
4.8gr TRAP 100*
5.0gr HP38
4.8gr WW231
4.9gr SR7625
10.5gr HS7
10.0gr AA7
10.9gr SP2
?
?
?
?
?
?
1.260"
1.250
1114
1107
1119
1112
1108
1504
1408
1475
139
138
139
139
138
188.0
176.0
184.4
(13) MINOR
(13) MINOR
(13) MINOR
(13) MINOR
(13) MINOR
(26)
(8)
(38) Non-hybrid
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Alliant Manual
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Bill Chunn
Layne Simpson
Tim Moore
Beavis
VihtaVuori
VihtaVuori
4.6gr Bullseye
5.2gr AA2
4.7gr WW231
6.8gr Power Pistol
6.5gr HS6
8.5gr WW540*
9.5gr WW540*
10.4gr HS7
10.4gr AA7
11.4gr AA7
8.3gr 3N38
9.0gr 3N38
?
?
?
1.260
?
?
?
?
1.260
1.250
1.260
1.260
1041
1048
1052
1255
1054
1156
1390
1451
1385
1404
1270
1391
135
136
136
163.2
137
150.3
180
188.6
180.0
182
165.1
180.8
(12) MINOR
(12) MINOR
(12) MINOR
(27) MINOR, Book Max Load
(12) MINOR
(26) MINOR
(11)
(26)
(8)
(32) Non-hybrid, w/comp
(51) VV Starting Charge
(51) VV Maximum Charge
Dee Rawson
130gr Ranier RN
6.7gr SR7625
1.235
1310
170.2
USA
Remington
FACTORY
FACTORY
1.268" 1182
1.263" 1124
153.7
146.1
MINOR
MINOR
NOTE(S)
WHO
BULLET
POWDER
OAL
VEL PF
Jeff Maass
Jeff Maass
8.8gr WW540*
7.5gr VV-N350
1.262
1.262
1343
1284
181.3
173.3
ES=19
MINOR, ES=17
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Tim Moore
Jeff Maass
Layne Simpson
Don Doyle
Tim Moore
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Chet Whistle
Jim Nelson
Dave Butterfield
Tim Moore
Layne Simpson
Karl Rehn
Jeff Maass
Layne Simpson
Karl Rehn
Bill Sahlberg
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
8.7gr HS6
8.7gr HS6
8.9gr WW540*
8.8gr WW540*
9.0gr WW540*
8.9gr WW540*
8.9gr WW540*
9.0gr WW540*
8.0gr VV-3N37
8.0gr VV-3N37
8.0gr VV-3N37
10.5gr AA7
10.8gr AA7
10.9gr AA7
10.0gr AA7
10.5gr AA7
8.4gr VV-N350
7.7grVV-N350
8.0gr VV-N350
9.3gr HS7
9.3gr HS7
9.7gr HS7
9.7gr HS7
10.2gr HS7
?
1.265"
1.260"
1.262
1.265"
1.260"
1.260"
?
1.265"
1.265"
?
1.255
?
?
1.260"
1.265"
1.255"
1.262"
?
1.255"
1.250
1.265"
?
1.265"
1340
1327
1333
1300
1328
?
1333
1339
1324
1324
1348
1296
1363
?
1333
1328
?
1309
1346
?
1340
1351
1361
1350
180.9
179.1
180
175.5
179.3
180.0
180.0
180.8
178.7
178.7
182.0
175.0
184.0
>175
180
179.3
>175
176.7
181.7
>175
181
182.4
183.7
182.3
(26)
(4)
(8)
10
NOTE(S)
(4)
(8)
(8)
(26)
(4)
(4)
(26)
(7)
(7)
(8)
(4)
(8)
(26)
(8)
(33) In Craig Caspian
(4)
(26)
(2)
WHO
BULLET
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Mark Cicero
POWDER
10.0gr WW571*
10.0gr WW571*
10.0gr Blue Dot
10.0gr Blue Dot
9.3gr VV-N105
OAL
1.265"
?
1.265"
?
1.255
VEL PF
1349
1368
1328
1347
1318
182.1
184.7
179.3
181.8
178
(4)
(26)
(4)
(26)
(29) Non-hybrid, 6 port comp
Craig Teller
Tim Moore
8.5gr WW540*
8.0gr AA7
1.258" 1179
1.260" 1286
165.0
180.0
(10) MINOR
(8)
David Bartlett
Pedro Pineda
Pedro Pineda
Syd Chai
145gr LSWC
145gr LRN
145gr LRN
145gr H&G #335 LSWC
8.4gr HS7
9.5gr AA7
9.0gr AA7
8.7gr AA7
?
1.270"
1.270"
1.275
1262
1276
1207
1242
183.0
185.0
175.0
180.1
(8)
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Pedro Pineda
Layne Simpson
Beavis
Layne Simpson
Beavis
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
4.3gr AA2
6.1gr AA5
4.9gr SR4756
7.5gr WW540*
8.6gr HS7
9.5gr HS7
8.6gr AA7
10.4gr AA7
8.0gr Blue Dot
10.2gr AA9
?
?
?
1.27"
1.280"
1.260
1.280"
1.250
1.280"
1.280"
984
1011
1003
1260
1220
1234
1212
1203
1215
1204
144
148
147
186.5
179.3
181
178.2
176
178.6
177.0
(13) MINOR
(13) MINOR
(13) MINOR
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Alliant Manual
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
4.8gr AA2
4.0gr WW231
6.5gr AA5
6.2gr Power Pistol
6.4gr WAP*
6.5gr VV-N350
7.0gr VV-N350
7.0gr VV-N350
7.0gr VV-N350
?
?
?
1.275"
?
1.265"
1.265"
1.265"
?
1004
859
989
1155
1118
1093
1211
1216
1244
147
126.3
145
169.8
164.3
160.7
178.1
178.8
182.9
(12) MINOR
(26) MINOR
(12) MINOR
(27) Alliant Max Book
(26) MINOR
(4A) MINOR, ES=11!
(4) ES=16!
(4)
(26)
11
NOTE(S)
(73) 5 Barrel
(5)
(32) 6-port Hybrid Bbl
(5)
(32) 6-port Hybrid Bbl
(5)
(5)
WHO
BULLET
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Beavis
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Beavis
VihtaVuori
VihtaVuori
Nobel Sports
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
POWDER
8.1gr HS7
8.5gr HS7
8.4gr HS7
8.7gr HS7
8.5gr HS7
9.0gr HS7
10.0gr HS7
8.3gr AA7
8.7gr AA7
8.7gr AA7
8.7gr AA7
10.5gr AA7
7.7gr 3N38
8.0gr 3N38
8.0gr SP2
8.2gr Blue Dot
10.3gr AA9
10.4gr AA9
OAL
?
1.280"
1.280"
1.280"
1.280"
?
1.260
?
1.280"
1.280"
1.280"
1.270
1.260
1.260
?
1.280"
1.280"
1.280"
VEL PF
1014
1214
1207
1202
1207
1231
1275
1021
1220
1220
1194
1244
1200
1223
1253
1223
1212
1209
149
178.5
177.4
176.7
177.4
181.0
187
150
179.3
179.3
175.5
182
176.4
179.8
184.2
179.8
178.2
177.7
(12) MINOR
(5)
(6)
(5)
(5)
(26)
(32) 6-port Hybrid
(12) MINOR
(5)
(6)
(5)
(32) 6-port Hybrid Bbl
(51) VV Starting Charge
(51) VV Maximum Charge
(45) Maximum Book Load
(5)
(5)
(5)
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
3.5gr Bullseye
3.5gr CLAYS
3.5gr AA2
4.0gr AA2
4.0gr TRAP 100*
4.0gr HP38
3.7gr WW231
4.0gr WW231
6.5gr AA5
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
971
982
883
974
933
951
915
964
1192
145.7
147.3
132.5
146.1
140.0
142.7
137.3
144.6
178.8
(26) MINOR
(26) MINOR
(26) MINOR
(26) MINOR
(26) MINOR
(26) MINOR
(26) MINOR
(26) MINOR
(26)
12
NOTE(S)
WHO
BULLET
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Don Doyle
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Karl Rehn
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
POWDER
6.0gr HS6
6.5gr HS6
7.5gr WW540*
7.6gr WW540*
6.0gr WAP*
6.5gr WAP*
7.2gr WAP*
6.7gr VV-N350
6.9gr HS7
8.4gr HS7
8.0gr HS7
8.5gr HS7
7.0gr AA7
8.5gr AA7
8.2gr Blue Dot
10.0gr AA9
OAL
?
?
1.260"
?
?
?
?
?
?
1.280"
?
1.255"
?
1.280"
1.280"
1.280"
VEL PF
1093
1140
?
1258
1118
1179
1236
1244
1011
1211
1240
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Syd Chai
Dave Kleber
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
8.4gr HS7
8.7gr HS7
8.7gr HS7
8.9gr HS7
8.5gr AA7
9.0gr AA7
9.7gr AA7
8.5gr AA7
8.2gr Blue Dot
10.5gr AA9
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
NOTE(S)
1015
1207
1238
1215
164.0
171.0
>175
188.7
167.7
176.9
185.4
186.6
151
181.7
186.0
<175
152
181.1
185.7
182.3
(26) MINOR
(26) MINOR
(8)
(26)
(26) MINOR
(26)
(26)
(26)
(13) MINOR
(5)
(26)
(8) Almost Major
(13) MINOR
(5)
(5)
(5)
?
1.280"
1.280"
?
1.280"
1.270
?
1.280"
1.280"
1.280"
1142
1196
1196
1292
1156
1187
?
1188
1223
1214
171.3
179.4
179.4
193.8
173.4
178.1
>175
178.2
183.5
182.1
(26) MINOR
(5)
(5)
(26)
(5) MINOR
(73) 5 barrel
(7)
(5)
(5)
(5)
?
?
1029
924
159
143
(13) MINOR
(13) MINOR
13
WHO
BULLET
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
POWDER
5.4gr AA5
4.5gr Herco
7.0gr WW540*
4.8gr SR4756
8.2gr HS7
8.4gr AA7
7.8gr Blue Dot
10.0gr AA9
OAL
?
?
1.280"
?
1.280"
1.280"
1.280"
1.280"
VEL PF
952
893
1174
933
1219
1171
1159
1165
147
138
182.0
144
188.9
181.5
179.6
180.6
(13) MINOR
(13) MINOR
(5)
(13) MINOR
(5)
(5)
(6)
(5)
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
8.5gr HS7
8.4gr AA7
8.0gr Blue Dot
10.0gr AA9
1.280"
1.280"
1.280"
1.280"
1156
1147
1163
1144
182.6
181.2
183.8
180.8
(5)
(5)
(5)
(5)
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Pedro Pineda
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
4.3gr Bullseye
4.6gr Green Dot
4.1gr AA2
5.4gr AA5
4.5gr Herco
7.0gr WW540*
8.0gr HS7
7.2gr AA7
8.2gr AA7
8.1gr AA7
10.0gr AA9
7.9gr Blue Dot
?
?
?
?
?
1.280"
1.280"
?
1.270"
1.280"
1.280"
1.280"
936
988
944
917
932
1153
1159
956
1125
1147
1133
1155
149
158
151
146
149
184.5
185.4
152
180.0
183.5
181.3
184.8
(13) MINOR
(13) MINOR
(13) MINOR
(13) MINOR
(13) MINOR
(5)
(5)
(13) MINOR
14
NOTE(S)
(5)
(5)
(6)
WHO
BULLET
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
POWDER
8.4gr HS7
8.4gr AA7
7.9gr Blue Dot
9.7gr AA9
9.9gr AA9
OAL
1.280"
1.280"
1.280"
1.280"
1.280"
VEL PF
1133
1140
1138
1094
1128
181.3
182.4
182.1
175.0
180.5
(5, 26)
(5)
(5, 26)
(5)
(6)
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
8.3gr HS7
8.2gr AA7
7.8gr Blue Dot
9.7gr AA9
1.280"
1.280"
1.280"
1.280"
1109
1090
1062
1094
188.5
185.3
180.5
186.0
(5, 26)
(5)
(5, 26)
(5)
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
Layne Simpson
8.0gr HS7
7.9gr AA7
7.6gr Blue Dot
9.1gr AA9
1.280"
1.280"
1.280"
1.280"
1039
1044
1031
1012
187.0
187.9
185.6
182.2
(5)
(5)
(5)
(5)
15
NOTE(S)
Notes:
1. (RFU).
2. From article on barrel life in Handgunning, January/February 1994, pp.20-24. Bullet diameter was 0.355". Velocity is 'typical' from 12 barrels.
3. From Handloaders' Guide, Stanley Trzoniec, pp106, 126.
4. Layne Simpson's "Bench Topics" column in Handloader #167, pp. 14-15, 54. Velocities measured from 5" CW Custom barrel. RP +P nickle
cases, WSR primers. N350 powder showed very low extreme spreads. Notation 4A: Vihtavouri Oy reloading manual 'maximum' load.
5. The Custom Government Model Pistol, Layne Simpson, 1992, pp. 513-515. 1.280" may be too long for reliable feeding in some (many!?)
guns, quoting Chuck Warner.
6. Layne Simpson, "Heavy Bullets In The .38 Super", Handloader #158, July-August 1992.
7. From the videotape "Top Guns of the USPSA" (1992 USPSA Nationals).
8. Personal communications via Internet (Karl Rehn - [email protected], Ronnie Jones - [email protected], Tim Moore - [email protected],
Don Doyle - [email protected] David Bartlett - [email protected], Butch Massoni - PDEEM%[email protected]), Cliff Meek
[email protected], Todd Bitokofer, [email protected]..
9. Personal communications at Barnhart School, August 13-14, 1994. Best OAL will vary by gun.
10. Personal communication at Barnhart School, August 13-14, 1994.
11. Posted on USPSA BBS (719) 254-4367.
12. Layne Simpson, Handgun Quarterly, July/August 1991, pp. 26-30.
13. Layne Simpson, Handgun Quarterly, September/October 1991, pp. 20-24.
14. Ken Waters" Pet Loads, Volume 2, pp. 535-540.
15. Shooting Times, October 1994, pp 34-35 (Citing Winchester Data).
16. Hornady Reloading Manual, 4th Edition.
17. Hodgdon Reloading Manual, 26th Edition..
18. Hodgdon Reloading Manual Supplement, 10/92.
19. Sierra Handgun Reloading Manual, 3rd Edition.
20. Timo Hietala is one of the Vihta Vuori folks developing their next loading manual. He can be reached via INTERNET ([email protected]).
21. From 1994 European Bianchi Cup Supplement To Target Gun Magazine, September 1994.
22. Alan Samuel ([email protected]). From Internet 6/6/95.
23. Darrell Muething. Personal communications, 4 August 1995.
24. Article Shooting Secrets of a Champion (Mickey Fowler), Handguns Magazine, January 1996, pp. 78-83.
25. From IPSC Mailing List (Internet). Bill Mueller, ([email protected], [email protected]). These two loads are for Hybricomped barrel
with hybrid ports and traditional compensator. Bill advises backing the loaddown approximately 1-grain for barrels without hybrid compensator.
26. Layne Simpson, A Modern Look at the .38 Super, Handloader, April 1996, pp. 16-19.
16
Notes (Continued):
27. Reloaders Guide for Alliant Smokeless Powders, 1995.
28. David Re, via email (IPSC-L), 1/22/98, 11/19/98 ([email protected]). Using Super Comp brass. Dave reports that the measured velocity of this
load in his gun has increased dramatically as the barrel wore over ~14000 rounds (power factor 179 increased to 187).
29. Mark Cicero, via email (IPSC-L), 1/27/98, ([email protected]). Using Winchester nickle-plated +P brass.
30. Harvey Arnold, via email (IPSC-L), 1/19/98, ([email protected]).
31. Vern Walls, via email (IPSC-L), 3/3/98, 11/20/98 ([email protected]). Uses Supercomp brass, WSR primers. EGW 4 chamber compensator and
non-hybrid barrel. Reported soft recoil.
32. Beavis, via email (IPSC-L) 11/16/98 ([email protected]).
33. Bill Sahlberg, via email (IPSC-L) 11/15/98 ([email protected]).
34. Richard, via email (IPSC-L) 5/7/98 ([email protected]). Gun has a Nowlin barrel with hybrid ports and 7-port Millenium compensator. Crimp is
0.378. SR7625 load is softer-shooting than SR4756 or N350 loads shot in same gun.
35. Tom Duda, via email (IPSC-L) 5/7/98 ([email protected]).
36. Chris Kelly, via email (IPSC-L) 11/5/98 ([email protected]. Velocity Extreme Spread measurements in the 2731 fps range.
37. Ronald de Hoog, via email (IPSC-L) 10/31/98 ([email protected]).
38. Sherwyn Greenfield, via email 11/98 ([email protected]).
39. Luca Cecchini, via email (IPSC-L) 10/9/98 ([email protected]).
40. Chuck Bradley, via email (IPSC-l) 10/31/98 ([email protected]).
41. John Larson, via email (IPSC-L) 1/26/98, 11/18/98 ([email protected]). Non-hybrid barrel, with 5 chamber/11 port compensator. Using
SuperComp brass. This load is compressed.
42. Bret Heidkamp, via email (IPSC-L) 5/21/98 ([email protected]).
43. Tim Bacus, via email (IPSC-L) 5/13/98 ([email protected]). Tim used either Montana Gold or Remington 124gr FMJ, and reports that the
Federal SR primers look great.
44. Chris Fretheim via email (IPSC-L) 11/17/98 ([email protected]). 7-port comp gun shoots very flat, very loud. Crimp is 0.379.
45. Nobel Sport published data. Nobel Sport web site (http://www.nobelsport.snpe.com/gb/PAGES/frame_t.htm)
46. Bruce Gary, via email 3/19/01 ([email protected]). SV gun, 5-port comp, no hybrid ports. Bruce reports feels good, lots of gas to make
comp work, and very consistent.
47. Erik Warren, via email 3/29/01 ([email protected]). Erik uses a 5-chamber comp on a Nowlin barrel (no hybrid ports), RP brass,
WSR primers,. This load leaves a little cornmeal residue.
48. Lee Leonard, via email 3/18/01 ([email protected]). Lee loads in .38 SuperComp brass. Non hybrid barrel with 5 port compensator.
49. Roy Stedman, via email 3/18/01 ([email protected]). Gun is STI non-hybrid.
17
Notes (Continued):
50. Frants Pedersen, via email 2/23/01 ([email protected]). STI, Schuemann HybriComp barrel, with 4 hybrid and 4 port compensator.
Remington Nickelled brass, and H&N 125gr bullet is sized 0.356. Frants provided the first data Ive seen for Vihtavuoris newest powder,
3N38, which was specifically developed for .38 Super IPSC-type loads. He reports that the powder is fine-grained like 3N37, with a
Burning rate between 3N37 and N105. He reports that the loads ar more consistent than those using N105.
51. VihtaVuori / Nammo Lapua R&D, via email 3/13/01 ([email protected]). This information for the new VihtaVuori 3N38 powder was
sent by Janne Pohjoispaa. The test barrel was 5.5 inches (no hybrid or compensators on test barrels!)This data should eventually appear
on their web site at: http://www.vihtavuori.fi/vihtavuori/index.html.
52. Andy Zinser, via email 11/25/00 ([email protected]).
53. Brian Agron, via email 2/22/00 ([email protected]). HybriComp barrel.
54. Dave Templeton, via email 9/25/99 ([email protected]). Ultimatch (non-hybrid) barrel with 7-port compensator. The SR7625 load
is compressed, and seems to bulge the brass.
55. Roy Stedman, via email 3/17/99, 6/18/02 ([email protected]). Gun is STI non-hybrid.
56. Howard Gootkin, via email 3/23/99 ([email protected]). Testing is in 5.25 barrel by Briley. (No information on compensator). Bullets were either
CP or Zero FMJ, and primers WSP.
57. Rob Ryan, via email (IPSC-L) 11/3/99 ([email protected]). SVI gun with Briley barrel (non-hybrid) with Springfield 7-port compensator.
Uses .38 SuperComp brass.
58. Don DuBose, via email 1/22/99 ([email protected]). Schuemann hybrid barrel with Camparie Custom Hybrid 4-chamber, 10 port
compensator.
59. Jeff Matche, via email (IPSC-L) 12/23/98 ([email protected]). Non-hybrid barrel.
60. Dan Z, via email (IPSC-L) 2/14/00 ([email protected]). STI with 9-port comp (non-hybrid). Remington brass.
61. Jack Harrington, via email 3/19/01 ([email protected]). SV with non-hybrid barrel, STI comp. WSR primers.
62. Bruce Cameron, via email 4/16/01 ([email protected]). 5.5 Briley barrel with EGW 9-port compensator. All velocities measured with Oehler
35P chronograph with 4-foot rail.
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Notes (Continued):
63. Roger Kooi, via email (IPSC-L) 4/19/01 ([email protected]). Bullet is Zero 125gr JHP (0.355). 4-port Hybricomp barrel with 3-port
compensator.
Supercomp brass.
64. Walter Hornby, via email (IPSC-L) 4/23/01 ([email protected]). Velocity varies 1360 to 1420, depending on weather.
65. Jim Anglin, via email 7/2/01 (mailto:[email protected]). SVI with a Barneys Va comp Schuemann AET barrel with Two ports drilled 3/4"
apart they are milled in the barrel with a 1/8" tapered mill . My barrel is 5.3 inches long chambered 9x23 using 9 super comp s/l brass.
66. Adam Benson, via email 6/11/01, 7/2/01 ([email protected]) . SuperComp brass, Federal primers, 6 AET Tribrid barrel.
67. Lorie Benson, via email 6/11/01, 7/2/01 ([email protected]) . SuperComp brass, Federal primers, 5 non-hybrid barrel.
68. Andreas Schwichtenberg, via email 7/16/01, 1/23/02 (mailto:[email protected]). STI 5.5 Competitor, 5 Schuemann barrel,
No-Hybrid Barrel, WSPM Primers, Starline brass. Best load this gun.
69. Dee Rawson, via email 6/17/01, 12/19/01 ([email protected]) . STI with S2 compensator. WSR primers.
70. George Petrinac, via email 5/4/02, 6/5/02 ([email protected]). SVI IMM Hybrid with 6 ports, 6 port comp and AET barrel.
71. Ron Iden, via email 5/18/03, ([email protected]).
72. Jeffrey Vince-Cruz, by email 4/15/03 ([email protected]). STI 5 cone barrel w/6-port comp. Loads were .38 SuperComp. Starline .38
Supercomp brass, Federal 205 primers.
73. Syd Chai, by email 10/18/03 ([email protected]). 5 Wilson ramped barrel, Win Small Pistol Primers, Win or Rem. +P brass.
74. John Richards, by email 10/23/03 ([email protected]). RPM 6 comped revolver. Federal Small Magnum Primers.
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