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09-14-2007 08:56 AM
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I I am required to advise on the this subject for a supportive software.for a long term aspect
which means either working manually with autocad and using manual labor or buying a more expansive software
which will same man hour

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in my checks I have crossed with several packages among other were Autocad's electrical, Aucotec elcad 7.3 and a FTZ
schem elect .

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can anyone help me by showing significant differences ?

much obliged
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Before the purchase of ecad our elementary schematics, relay protection diagrams, wire diagrams, ect were manually
created using Microstation or Autocad. We were putting a lot of design and drafting time into our schematics and
diagrams. I too was tasked to reduce engineering costs for our Substation Design Team. I began to research electrical
cad design software. I had looked at Eplan, Promis-e, and AutoCad Electrical. They were all good at what they do but
we needed a versatile software package which we could run with AutoCad and Microstation. Eplan seamed to be very
powerful, but they had their own cad drafting interface which was difficult to use. AutoCad Electrical did the job ok to,
although it didnt integrate directly with our Microstation drawings. Autocad electrical seemed to have more manually
update buttons than Promis-e and Eplan. Like cross-references would need to be updated by selecting a button, where
Eplan and Promis-e just automatically kept all that info up to date all the time no matter of the scenario. We ended up
choosing Promis-e. When we did our pilot testing, Promis-e integrated very well with our other business systems. The
Promis-e core database is in SQL, the same format as our business systems. Our test pilot consumed of over 100 pages
and the SQL database performed better than the AutoCad Electrical system and Access Database. Another cool feature
is the wiring diagram function, AutoCad Electricals seamed to function fine, but it involved more setup time with wire
routing. Promis-e has a shortest distance function which automatically figures out the preferred routing path for your
common signals. In addition, Promis-e wire diagrams are dynamic and you dont have to select an update button.
Since the implementation of Promis-e I figure we cut down engineering labor by 35%. We are now implementing the
integration with our Komax Machines. Promis-e generates a wire schedule with length and termination information and
that get imported into our Komax wire cutting machine. I figure once we fully implement this feature, that would save
about 25-35% on the manufacturing side. We hope to have this implemented in then next few weeks.
I would recommend contacting the Promis-e guys. They were very helpful thru the sales processes and still very helpful
on support topics. Their support plan allows me to contact Promis-es support department directly by phone. This has
helped out a lot, just being able to speak with Promis-e directly. They were able to offer suggestions and
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09-17-2007 12:18 PM in reply to: josephkalish
hey Jimmy

thank you for relating to my problem,your answer has given me much required data.specially referring to the data base
issue
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I still need to figure out what do aucotec offers ? which e-plan does not and vice versa but that is a different issue
have a great day
Joseph

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09-18-2007 06:53 AM in reply to: josephkalish
Hi Joseph,

Sorry I can't off much technical detail on the aucotec products. I briefly looked at them. I saw that they work with
VISIO, which didn't fit in with our engineering groups. We needed something to work with Microstation and AutoCad.
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09-01-2014 08:29 PM in reply to: SubStationDesignGuy

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I know its been a while since this thread has been active, but Im going through the same difficulty in finding a good
CAD Schematic software to implement alongside a Komax machine. I have been looking at Zuken, Promis-e and Eplan.
Any help?
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09-01-2014 10:30 PM in reply to: bchach

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As usual its formarly a question of what you will have as result!

Can you attache a sample perhoups as an excel to see what you will get as your wishes?

PS: http://www.komaxgroup.com/en/Wire/Products-and-Solutions/Products/Software-Networking/TopWin/ is not good

enough?
stay tuned &
Greetings from Switzerland

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09-01-2014 11:48 PM in reply to: josephkalish

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SubStationDesignGuy looks like hes got the right approach but heres my approach to looking at cad systems hopes it
helps you out

if you are going to purchase an electrical cad system follow these simple rules
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1) If they have a trial version on there website download and play with it
2) Make a list of what you want the software to do
3) Get the representatives from the various cad vendors to come and give you their supper demo probably a webinar
now days (remember the demo is to showcase what's good and hide what's not)
4) Have a serious think about what you have seen
does it do what you want? Is it easy to us? Do you need training? What the technical support like? What are the
ongoing costs?
5) Get back the various vendors and force them to demonstrate what you want to see the product do
You do not give them advanced information if they cannot do what you want or end up doing something extremely
complicated this tells you something about the product
if vendors software demonstrators have problems then you will definitely will have problems
6)But this may all be redundant as you may be forced to use the same cad products as you main clients are in an
industry where only one particular cad product is used

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7) remember its your or your companies money if they want some of it then they will have to earn it
and here is a list of electrical cad vendors to review its not all about a few vendors

Product
Company
Format
WWW
http://www.aveva.com/en/Products_and_Services/Prod
01 Aveva
Aveva
SQL Based
electrical
uct_Finder.aspx#open:12953794-EAE9-4F0B-96B9-37A12...
02 Cadprofi
CADprofi

http://www.cadprofi.com/main/en/products/cadprofi-electrical
http://w3.siemens.com/mcms/plant-engineering-software/en/comos15 Cosmos
Siemens
SQL Based
platform/Pages/Default.aspx
Man And
03 Ecscad

Sold by Autodesk
Machine
DWG
+
Database
http://elecdes.com/electrical-cad-software/elecdes-electrical-cad04 Elecdes
Scada Systems
orientated
software
05 Eleckworks Trace Software DWG + Database http://www.elecworks.com/index.aspx
orientated
06 Electra E6 Xetec Limited Visio based
http://www.xetec.eu/
electrical
Procad
Systems
DWG
+
Database
07 Elprocad
http://www.elprocad.com/Comparison-Feutures.html
Ab
orientated
Engineering
08
Aucotec

https://www.aucotec.com/landing/aucotec.php
base
09 Eplan
Rittal
Sql Based
http://www.eplan.co.uk/uk/start
http://www.ige-xao.com/software-editor/electrical-cad10 Ige-Xao
Ige-Xao Group SQL Database
and cad Engine software.html
Propriety cad
11 PCschematic Pc|Schematic
http://www.pcschematic.com/en/index.htm
A/S
format
DWG
+
Database
12 Promis e
Bentley Systems
http://www.bentley.com/en-GB/Products/promise/
orientated
DWG
+
Database
13 QC Cad
Ska Systems
http://www.qcecad.com/qc/en
orientated
Ftz
Informatique
http://www.ftz.fr/v4/en/cad-software-design/electrical-drawing14 Schemelect

Industrielle
schematic-diagram
DWG + Database http://www.intergraph.com/products/ppm/smartplant/
20 Smartplant Integraph
Electrical
orientated
electrical/default.aspx
http://www.solidworks.co.uk/sw/products/electrical16 Solidworks Dassault
SQL Based
Electrical
Systems
design/solidworks-electrical.htm
17 Winrelay
Ingerea

http://www.ingerea.com/WinRelay.html
Buhl Data
18 Wscad
SQL Based
http://www.wscad.de/en/electrocad/
Group
DWG
+
Database
19 Zuken e3
Zuken
http://www.zuken.com/en
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03ecscadbymum.dehttp://www.mum.de/DE_Elektrotechnik_CAE_Software_AutoCAD_ecscad.CAD
additionalInfo'stinline.ch/ecs

alsoagooddecisionguidance:https://www.cadspy.com/softwareuebersicht/elektrocad/elektrocad
loesungen.html

sorry,ididntfindlinksinenglish

stay tuned &

Greetings from Switzerland

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09-02-2014 12:22 AM in reply to: RePao

Yes i know about escad we are being told that an english version of the software will be released late this year or early
next year i had the promis e aero version which was written by escad and ran on bricscad it dd the job pretty good but
now its nearly 10 years later and technology has advanced it will be intresting to see what they produce and how it
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09-02-2014 01:47 AM in reply to: ccad2509

english Version of SW of corse it's avaible, but no english webpage, sorry for that!

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