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Andjar Asmara was an Indonesian writer, director and actor who was influential in the development of Indonesian theatre and film in the early 20th century. He established several theatre companies that performed original plays focusing on social issues. Asmara also worked as a film critic and director, helping to establish an Indonesian film industry that told stories from an Indonesian perspective. He directed over a dozen films before his death in 1946. Asmara played a key role in developing theatre and film as artistic mediums in Indonesia rather than just commercial ventures.

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Andjar Asmara was an Indonesian writer, director and actor who was influential in the development of Indonesian theatre and film in the early 20th century. He established several theatre companies that performed original plays focusing on social issues. Asmara also worked as a film critic and director, helping to establish an Indonesian film industry that told stories from an Indonesian perspective. He directed over a dozen films before his death in 1946. Asmara played a key role in developing theatre and film as artistic mediums in Indonesia rather than just commercial ventures.

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Contents
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1 GA Review
2 Informal review
o 2.1 Follow-up

3 Indonesian names

GA Review[edit]
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This review is transcluded from Talk:Andjar Asmara/GA1. The


edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the
review.
Reviewer: TBrandley (talk contribs) 17:04, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Early life and theatre: "he is recorded as establishing the


magazine Doenia Film". Huh? Reads funny.
Changed.
Early life and theatre: Link India
Not done, per WP:OVERLINKING, specifically "Avoid
linking the names of major geographic features and
locations,"
Legacy: "dramas" could please you clarify?
Dramas --> stage plays
References: Use actual sub-sections for Footnotes and
Bibliography, as per MOS:ACCESS
Got that already

Great stuff; perhaps even FA worthy. I'll put this on hold for now, for
the minors to be addressed. TBrandley 01:20, 2 September 2012
(UTC)
Wow, that was quick. Alright, looks good now. Pass. Well
done! TBrandley 01:26, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Might as well finish it before work, hehe. Crisco


1492 (talk) 01:31, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Informal review[edit]
This is looking pretty good, but I think it needs a little more work
before FAC. Reading this as someone who has no knowledge
of Indonesia, film, theatre, or any combination of these, I feel
after reading this that I am not quite in full possession of the
facts. There are little hints here and there that a bigger story is
taking place, but we are left in the dark. Given that details on
his life seem to be few (I'm assuming that you have exhausted
the sources), maybe fill in more of the background. Many
readers (like me) will have little or no idea about the big picture
at this time. He was one of the first Indonesian directors. Why
had there been none before, assuming that films were being

made? There are some hints that films were almost exclusively
commercial rather than artistic in conception. Again, why, and
what was said about this. This would draw out more why he
was significant. I'm assuming that the JIF was a big deal, but
this does not come across except in the legacy section says
that the company flourished. And there is an impression
throughout the article of his career chopping and changing quite
a lot from journalist to critic to writer. This may be a reflection on
the sources, but each of these seems a little under-developed,
and I get little sense of what he achieved in each of them, or
why he changed careers. But that may be
unavoidable. Sarastro1 (talk) 20:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
I've copy-edited a little, but feel free to revert anything I've
messed up or which you are not happy with. Some more
specific points and questions:
Lead

The lead is a little forced, like it is trying to cram the


information in quickly.
I think it needs a little expansion, as his significance does
not really come across and it is a bit abrupt.
"with the theatre in Padang": With a specific theatre, or the
generic medium of theatre?
"although he was mainly at the whim of the film production
house backing him.": This is a little cryptic.

I'll save this for later.

Perhaps this new lede is better?


Early life and theatre

"Initially interested in the circus, he gravitated toward


traditional theatre at a young age following visits from
the Wayang Kassim and Juliana Opera troupes.": I'm
not sure this works, as the circus thing just hangs. Is it
implying that this steered him towards the theatre? Or
that he first wanted to join the circus, then changed
route? Or just that he liked the circus when he was a
boy?

Circus removed as it doesn't seem to have had much of an


influence in his later works.

"from the Wayang Kassim and Juliana Opera


troupes": Any links for these, otherwise they are
just names.

Nothing as of yet (probably not notable)

"He and his friends would pretend to act in


stage plays that they had seen": Does not
seem particularly important, and breaks the
flow slightly.

Added because it shows the extent of his interest

"before moving to Batavia (modern day


Jakarta) to work as a reporter": Did he
move to work as a reporter, or move and
then become a reporter?

Fixed

"the daily Sinar Soematera": I'm


assuming this is a newspaper, but it
may be worth making it explicit if there
is no link.

Linked

"Padangsche Opera": Again, is


there a link? I think we need to
know at least what kind of level
this was. Was it a big deal, or
something quite minor?

Doesn't seem to have been that big, and I can't find


anything further on it other than it was headed by Amiruddin,
another person without an article.

"a Malay adaptation of the


Dutch-language magazine
Filmland": A little vague; does
this mean it used the same
concept/format, or that is was
a straight translation?

Clarified

"At the time, the country's


cinema was becoming
established, and Andjar
wrote extensively on local
productions": Cinema is
left hanging here. Are we
contrasting the success of
cinema with Andjar
persevering with theatre?
If so, this should be made
explicit, or the cinema

comment just seems out


of place. Or is it that he
worked in local film
productions? Again, this
should be made explicit;
the last we heard, he was
working in theatre. Also,
"wrote on" does not
quite sound right to me.
Either "worked on" or
"wrote for" would be
better.

Clarified

"the country's cinema":


I think it is better to
just name the country
here.

Changed to "the cinema of the Indies"

"The Indonesian
film historian
credits Andjar":
Who is the film
historian?

Dur. Done.

"The
Indonesian
film historian
credits Andjar
as inspiring
the marketing
for 1929's Njai
Dasima,
which
emphasised
that the cast
was
exclusively
native.": Why
is this
important?
Did this make
the film
successful?
And it may be
better written
as "According

to the
Indonesian
film historian
X, Andjar was
responsible
for the
[successful?
highly
successful?
unusual?]
marketing of
the 1929 film
Njai Dasima,
which
emphasised
that the cast
was
exclusively
native [or
"which
emphasised
the
exclusively
native cast",
but I think this
loses
something]"

Added some context in a footnote.

"He was
also
highly
critical of
The Teng
Chun's
Boenga
Roos dari
Tjikemba
ng (The
Rose
from
Tjikemba
ng; 1931),
among
the first
talkies in
country.":
Who is
"he": the
historian
or Andjar?
And

maybe
"sound
film rather
than
"talkies".
Or at
least pipe
it to
sound film.

Changed

"Duri
ng
this
perio
d he
spent
some
time
in
Meda
n":
Why?
Doing
what?

Not in any of the sources, trimmed

"u
n
d
er
A.
Pi
e
dr
o":
W
h
o?
A
g
ai
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li
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k
or
e
x
pl

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or
th
is
c
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st
b
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n
d
"u
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"
in
w
h
at
s
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s
e?
W
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s
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dr
o
a
pr
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d
u
c
er,
di
re
ct

or,
w
rit
er,
et
c?
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w
h
at
s
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n
s
e?
A
s
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n
a
ct
or,
w
rit
er,
et
c?

Clarified

"
h
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r
e
p
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e
d
l
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s
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T
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.
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p
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w
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p
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Clarified

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.
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"
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"
:
L
i
n
k
?

Linked above, next to Boenga Roos dari Tjikembang

Agree, nuked last bit.

Agree, changed.

Changed and add a note

Typo. Argh.

Agree

Avoid repetition, but reinserted

Clarified. Doesn't say what it was, exactly.

I only have what's in the article. Sadly, I don't even have any
information if he and Ratna had children.

Not especially necessary, as in this case it probably didn't


influence his commentary. Now, on Hamka's Tenggelamnya
Kapal van der Wijk or Marco Kartodikromo's work, Siregar's

political leanings are necessary as they influenced how he


judged the work.

They closed. Now implied but not explicitly stated above.

Tried to add more critical commentary on the plays. No


information on how the films performed commercially, and
no awards available :-(

Split

I think this is better.

Sure

This is both film and theatre

Fair enough

Changed to Dardanella

Thanks, you're a really good reviewer. Crisco 1492 (talk)


00:26, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

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