Competency Based Interviewing
Competency Based Interviewing
Table of Contents
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Section 1: Introduction
THE PURPOSE OF THE GUIDE THE ROLE OF THE INTERVIEW IN THE SELECTION PROCESS KEY STEPS TO IMPROVING THE INTERVIEW 20 20 21
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INTRODUCTION
The Purpose of the Guide
The Guide has been designed to assist those responsible for conducting employment interviews and making decisions about the suitability of applicants to UNICEF. It seeks to explain and clarify some of the best ways to enhance the quality of information gathered during interviews and therefore increase the fairness and effectiveness of the selection process.
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Review the Application Form or CV Interviewers should read the application forms or curriculum vitae prior to the interview; Interviewers should ensure that all pertinent information has been provided by the candidate; Taking into consideration the selection criteria and the critical competencies that were selected in the previous step, the interviewer should make a note of any experiences which are particularly relevant to the job so that they may be probed further during the interview. Other Interviewers If a panel interview is scheduled, the interviewers should decide (before the interview) on a specific format and on who will cover which competencies. Questions It is important to select questions that will explore various aspects of each competency being assessed; The application form or interview protocol will suggest areas the interviewer should cover
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2. FUNCTIONAL COMPETENCIES (depending on the functional area/level) There are eighteen Functional Competencies out of which a different combination of competencies is applied to each functional area and level. 28 Analytical and Conceptual Thinking Leading Vision and Change Building Trust Managing Resources Coaching Managing Stress Communication Networking Decisiveness Setting Standards, and Monitoring Work Planning
3. TECHNICAL COMPETENCIES (Technical knowledge/ Technical leadership; divided into two groups) Technical Competencies are: Common Technical Requirements (applicable to all functional areas): Professional work experience Must Acquire Language; and Function-Specific Technical Requirements (applicable to relevant functional areas only): Academic Qualification and Training Specialized Expertise Must Acquire
What is a Competency profile and what is its function in the interview process?
A competency profile identifies and describes the competencies critical for successful performance in a job, within a specific functional area and at a specific level. Each competency in the profile is defined and accompanied by statements of behaviour which describe standards of performance to which the incumbent should aspire. In the recruitment, selection and placement process, the competency profile along with the job description are used to identify the selection criteria for the post. The interviewer(s) should (typically) assess the foundational competencies and additional 3 to 5 competencies that are deemed most critical for success in the post under recruitment and that best reflect the key aspects of the role. The choice of competencies should stem from the interviewers knowledge of the position and from the critical incident and commonly occurring situations the future incumbent will face. A competency typically takes around 15 minutes to explore fully; therefore the exploration of four competencies will take approximately one hour. During the course of a structured interview, candidates should be assessed against these competencies. The comparative assessment of candidates against competencies enables the organisation to determine the strengths and weaknesses of various candidates and their potential to develop.
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OPEN refers to the need to open up the discussion in order to understand the breadth of experience a candidate has had in relation to a competency area. BACK refers to the gathering of specific evidence of the individual behaviour in those situations. Remember that it is an understanding of an individuals past behaviour that helps us to predict their future behaviour and therefore their likely performance within UNICEF.
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OPportunities ExperieNce
- establishing the opportunities an individual has had to demonstrate a particular competency - identifying specific experiences an individual has had which necessitated the use of a particular competency
- seeking specific evidence of how an individual has behaved in past, relevant situations - highlighting any feedback a candidate has had on their performance in a competency area - comparing an individuals skills and performance over time - understanding an individuals awareness of best practice or their knowledge of a particular subject. These questions can be particularly useful if a candidate does not have much experience
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Interview record Planning & Organising I led the team in developing the plan, + Set objectives and time lines, thought through the possible problems, + Ensured that project plan would not hinder the implementation of the office work plan, + Kept the supervisor informed at every step, + Decided not to adapt the plan, too much effort had been invested in getting it right, These comments in response to a question about Planning & Organising may be more relevant to another competency.
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When using the rating scale remember that the following factors can distort assessments: Halo effect this is the tendency to rate candidates highly on one criterion because they have impressed on other criteria; Central tendency - tendency to give candidates a middle rating rather than using the E or D rating which clearly indicate that the candidate strongly demonstrated the competency or did not demonstrate it at all; Response bias - a tendency to under or over rate; Logical error - not making a clear distinction between two competencies; Contrast effect - rating one candidate against another instead of against the competency.
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Definition
PLANNING, STANDARD SETTING AND MONITORING WORK
Sets clear and realistic objectives for work plans and programmes. Monitors performance against objectives.
9 Positives Indicators
Converts goals and strategies into measurable project activities. Foresees and anticipates future resource needs. Monitors the work of team members in respect to end results, to ensure that they are meeting objectives and quality standards in a timely manner. Identifies areas of potential risk in the project plan and takes preventative measures. Effectively manages the grey areas where no clear mandate exists. Use a systematic approach for monitoring project activities, results, expenditures, and timelines. Creates and implements customised review or quality control processes. Maximises the resources available to him or her to most effectively complete the task or project. Immediately takes corrective action or damage control in the event a project slips from schedule.
x Negative indicators
Does not develop clear and concise action plans. Has no sense of urgency to monitor progress; is unsure of status of the project at any given time. Unevenly distributes the workload. Does not utilise all available planning tools or resources. Involves more resources (people monetary, etc.) than necessary. Organises project plans at the last minute. Contingency planning is not utilised. Misses deadlines with serious consequences. Can only manage projects when there is face-toface contact; unable to successfully delegate that aspect to others. Allows ambiguity over deliverables. Takes on impossible workloads. Fails to monitor progress.
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What did you do? How much time did you have? What factors did you need to consider? What could you have done better to assist in the smooth implementation of the project? How would you rate the effectiveness of your planning on this occasion? How does your approach to planning and standard setting differ from that of other managers? What are the advantages and disadvantages of your approach?
Why did it happen? How were you responsible for this? What did you do to try an overcome this problem? What have you have done differently in relation to deadlines since this occasion?
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Sees the big picture or long-term implications of actions. Analyzes complex data and trends regarding local and world events and then uses this information to outline courses of action to accomplish objectives. Conducts analyses that provide for the best strategizing and positioning of UNICEF as a global partner and relief organisation. Seeks ways to increase global exposure and leverage that knowledge for new opportunities and potential for the organisation. Establishes mechanisms to prioritize in an environment of limited resources and unlimited challenges related to the problems of women and children as well as the internal demands of UNICEF. Studies and researches relevant literature and information on international trends in business. Engages UNICEF personnel in both strategic and operational planning. Establishes a clear link between the work of each functional area and the overall organizations strategy and goals. Successfully balances conflicting demands from the organisational, global, and political levels. Reads relevant literature on international trends.
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Has difficulty positioning specific functional area objectives and initiatives from a global mindset. Lacks a clear understanding of the current political, social, and economic factors that affect the global community. Does not maximise or leverage available information or literature on global trends and events. Struggles to translate a strategic vision into clear manageable action plans. Short-term thinkers; becomes distracted by internal UNICEF goals and objectives and loses sight of the bigger picture. Lack general awareness of international issues. Makes decisions that do not effectively utilise UNICEFs resources or mission and mandate. Does not understand that there are many facets to consider when developing a strategy (i.e., political, external interest groups, internal UNICEF interests, etc.) Only considers local issues.
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construct and communicate a critically important plan: What was the specific situation? What approach did you take and whom did you involve? How did you communicate the plan? What feedback did you have in relation to its effectiveness? What could you have done differently to improve your effectiveness? consider a number of possible scenarios when planning? What factors did you consider? How did you select the correct course of action? How did you minimise the risk of getting it wrong? timely intervention in the face of an impending emergency? What prompted the decision and what did you do? In hindsight, what could you have done differently? How would you rate your effectiveness on that occasion? How did you approach differ from that your colleagues may have adopted?
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9 Positives Indicators
Convinces others to see things in a different light and adopt new ways of thinking, acting or behaving. Recognises the sources and dynamics of power, and influence critical decision-makers. Has a tendency to turn a negative task or situation into a positive task or situation. Anticipates actions and objection. Understands the sources of influence and uses them to convince others. Uses compromise or negotiation skills to create a win-win situation while still achieving objectives. Knows when to employ subtle influences to build consensus and support. Formulates a realistic goal regarding what can be accomplished and wisely spends time and energy influencing others to reach that goal. Has the ability to overcome rejections and obstacles and make a positive impact. Uses creative and new approaches to convincing others. Gets buy-in and commitment from others. Gives others a sense of vision.
X Negative Indicators
Displays difficulty overcoming obstacles or resistance. Lacks basic influence and negotiation skills. Allows others unreasonable demands or expectations to go unaddressed. Is unable to convince others or make a positive impact on decisions. Uses threats or negative behaviour to get people to act. Targets energies and efforts on the inappropriatelevel of decision-maker. Becomes frustrated when faced with a situation that requires compromise. Does not understand how to properly influence others; does not accentuate the positives or whats in it for them. Rarely creates a win-win situation or achieve goal of persuading others. Does not appreciate the difficulties or constraints under which others are working. Actions and reactions focus solely on ones own interests. Fails to highlight critical issues. Does not push point of view. Fails to gain acceptance of ideas.
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outcome that allowed both parties to realise their goals: How did you do this? What factors did you need to consider? What feedback did you receive? How might your efforts on this occasion have differed from those of your colleagues? contacts to further the efforts of your organisation? How was this possible? What did you need to do in return? What do you do to build your networks?
Can you describe a time when you have been able to use your
Can you describe an occasion when you have not been able to
arrive at a mutually beneficial outcome? Why? What has been the impact of this? What might you have done differently to have achieved a better outcome?
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9 Positive Indicators
Comes across as extremely articulate, clear, and easy to understand. Communicates sensitive information in an effective and respectful manner. Captures and retains the attention of the audience. Conveys confidence and professionalism through speech and written material. Appropriately adjusts the content and approach to best suit the audience being addressed. Communicates effectively with all levels within an organisation. Actively listens to others to understand their point of view. Reports situations to the appropriate individuals in a comprehensive and accurate manner. Precise and succinct in conveying ideas to others. Conclusions are clear.
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Fails to communicate thoughts and ideas in a clear or easy to understand manner. Has difficulty commanding the attention of the audience. Is either overly wordy or overly short. Communicates in a manner that is inappropriate for the target audience (i.e., too formal/informal, too technical, too blunt, etc.). Experiences difficulty communicating sensitive or negative information. Does not convey a high degree of professionalism or competence when communicating with others. Communication is all one-sided; does not focus on or acknowledge what others have to say. Communiqus are not addressed or relayed to the appropriate individuals. Unable to adapt communication style to suit different situations. Gets sidetracked from main theme. Monotonous delivery. Uses jargon inappropriately. Assumptions are presented as facts. Vague or unambiguous wording. Documents and presentations are poorly structured.
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needed to explain something difficult to someone who does not have your knowledge or background: What information did you need to get across? What did you consider when constructing your message? How effective were your efforts? How did you measure this? have needed to complete. How did you organise the contents of it? What are the key differences between your writing style and that of your manager or colleagues? your ideas have not been fully understood by your intended audience. What was the situation? Why did they misinterpret your message? What could you have done differently if the situation arose again?
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9 Positive Indicators
Effectively links the purposes and functioning of team(s) to UNICEFs mission, vision, purpose, goals and results. Deals effectively with conflicting perspectives. Clearly defines roles and responsibilities and expectations for individuals as well as the team, thereby creating win-win situations. Encourages and supports the ideas and effort of other team members and finds or creates ways to help the team perform more effectively. Motivates others to want to contribute to the team. Provides constructive and timely feedback to others within the team, both positive and negative. Views and responds to feedback as a learning process as opposed to an affront on ones selfesteem or personal competence. Acknowledges that the overall accomplishments of the team are greater than individual accomplishments. Identifies the potential gains for all parties. Ensures that work pressures are shared across team.
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Puts up walls or barriers and alienates ones self from the team. Conveys a sense of apathy or indifference and does little to help the team perform effectively. Possesses a severe distrust of team members, a lack of energy, and little motivation to do work with others, thereby creating a negative work environment. Is not open to, nor listens to the ideas of others. Puts his/her personal interest ahead of the team and does not extend a spirit of collaboration. Actions and behaviours precipitate decreased team morale. Does not provide nor ask for feedback; lives with discourse instead of taking initiative to address conflicts or provide negative feedback. Reacts slowly to help team members unless he or she is certain that he/she will get credit for it. Does not share information readily with the team; protects ones own territory and information. Avoids socialising with the team. Fails to get buy-in from the team. Stays aloof from the team. Blames others for problems. Takes a long time to integrate into the team.
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Please tell me about a time when you have gone out of your
way to assist a member of your team: What prompted you to take action and what did you do? What was the outcome? How has that changed things between you? encourage a cooperative approach in your team: What did you say? How was this received? What has been the result of your efforts?
decision made by the majority of your team? What was the situation and what prompted the disagreement? What did you say to voice your concerns? What happened in relation to this?
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9 Positive Indicators
Makes logical and well thought out decisions. Makes decisions on the basis of logical inferences that are easy to understand. Considers possible implications and alternatives when making decisions and takes into account others perspectives before making a decision. Possesses the capability to make quality decisions even during highly stressful or ambiguous circumstances. Strategically weighs the consequences and severity of his/her options before making a decision. Does not make a decision based strictly on emotions or unclear facts. Shows good common sense as to when to tackle a problem independently and when to ask for help. Identify the issues, conduct research and gather relevant information and hypotheses potential solutions before making a decision. Finds solutions that have not been tried before. Can evaluate, foresee and anticipate the consequences of a problem. Identifies the risks involved.
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that you found challenging? What were the circumstances and the issues you needed to consider when making the decision? What has been the impact of this decision? What feedback have you received in relation to the choice that you made? decision that you later regretted? What lead to the need to make a hasty decision? How has this influenced your subsequent behaviour?
Can you think of a time when you were rushed into a quick How do you arrive at your decisions?
Could you describe an occasion when you have adopted this approach? What were the advantages of this style of decision making? What are some of the disadvantages of this style when compared with your colleagues style?
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9 Positive Indicators
Focuses on underlying causes as opposed to just the symptoms. Remains focused and do not become distracted by irrelevant or superfluous information. Conducts appropriate analyses and research from which to draw appropriate conclusions. Identifies the meaning of trends and interrelationships and makes appropriate predictions for projected advancements. Pinpoints the risks involved in a project at an early stage. Analyses highly technical or complex information that requires advanced technical training. Finds novel and creative solutions that have not been tried before. Asks the right questions and understands concepts quickly.
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Becomes overwhelmed or distracted when analysing information. Finds it challenging to make sense of new, complex information (e.g., many variables, quantitative and qualitative data, numerous if, then scenarios, many possible courses of action). Has a tendency to get bogged down in the details. Misunderstands or misinterprets the situation due to not focusing on the root of the problem. Relies too heavily on common sense or a gut feeling when interpreting complex information. Fails to identify the interrelationships between related issues. Overlooks or dismisses the simple solutions to problems Does not explicitly identify the risks or consequences associated with proposed solutions.
draw on your previous experience to solve a complex problem. What type of problem was it? How did your experience and knowledge assist? How effective was your approach in this instance? What feedback did you receive about your performance? existing skills were of little help to you in solving a problem. Why was this? How did this lack of experience influence your behaviour and approach to the problem? In hindsight, what should/could you have done differently?
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9 Positive Indicators
Communicates open and honestly with others Demonstrates trustworthy behaviour based on personal accountability and sounds ethics. Seeks out other course of action if pressure by influential personas to participate in less than ethical behaviour. Immediately addresses any situation in which a peer, staff member, etc. is acting in an untrustworthy or dishonest manner. Takes a clear stand on difficult issues and links all positive and ethical behaviour to UNICEFs mission for women and children. Models positive ethical behaviours; walk the talk. Tactfully confronts others, even those in supervisory positions, if their behaviour is less than ethical. Makes realistic promises and sticks to commitments. Keeps personal interests and agendas out of the decision-making process. Openly admits mistakes.
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Deliberately hides or keeps important information from others. Looks the other way if one observes unethical behaviour. Demonstrates inconsistency among principles, values and behaviours. Struggles to take a clear stand on a difficult issue and loses sight of UNICEFs mission for improving the lives of women and children. May confront the unethical behaviour or practices of peers and subordinates, but would not confront a superior or influential persona demonstrating unethical behaviour. Demonstrates acceptable ethical behaviour but does not actively promote or encourage others to do the same. Chooses tasks or projects that increase ones own visibility and status. Does not retain ownership and responsibility when things go wrong; blames others. Focuses on short-term gain. Picks tasks which increase own visibility and status. Spends time on what interests him/her, rather than what needs to be done.
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Tell me about the last time that you were faced with a
professional or ethical dilemma at work. What was the specific situation? How did you feel? How did you resolve the dilemma?
push through layers of bureaucracy. Can you think of a time when you have been able to do this? What prompted your approach? How effective was this? What were the disadvantages of adopting this approach? an unprofessional/unethical manner? What was unprofessional or unethical about their behaviour? What did you specifically do about their behaviour? What were the implications of taking action? How did you deal with the possible consequences? How likely are you to take action compared with your colleagues?
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9 Positive Indicators
Focuses on personal improvement and looks for opportunities to improve developmental areas. Recognises the importance of how he/she is perceived by others. Continually asks for feedback from peers, staff, supervisors, etc. Listens and responds appropriately to criticism. Actively chooses to participate in projects or activities that will leverage his/her strengths or provide him/her with developmental opportunities. Knows his/her limitations and when he/she is not capable of taking on a task without assistance. Capable of showing restraint when working under conditions of stress, frustration, or tension. Builds trust by demonstrating reliability. Knows ones own strengths, emotions, and limitations. Knows when and how to say no. Manages impulsive feelings by staying calm and composed. Holds oneself accountable. Seeks out fresh ideas from a variety of sources. Takes on fresh perspectives and risks in ones own thinking. Takes tough principled stands even if they are unpopular. Presents oneself with self-assurance and selfconfidence.
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Does not place a high value on how he/she is perceived or how his/her actions are reflected on the organisation. Ploughs through his/her daily activities with no regard for others feedback about his/her actions. Holds perceptions of himself/herself that are not in line or accurate with how others perceive him/her. Becomes defensive and does not readily accept constructive criticism. Does not take advantage of opportunities to leverage strengths or improve developmental areas. Has difficulty recognising his/her personal limitations and does not know when to say no or ask for assistance. Fails to speak up when one has a strong opinion. Seeks continuous approval and is constantly apologising. Does not admit own mistakes and assume responsibility. Does not follow through on promises and commitments.
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Could you describe a situation where you were very open with
your feelings? Why did you adopt this approach? What effect did it have? If similar circumstances arose, what, if anything, would you do differently? pressure? To what extent were your colleagues and team aware of the stress you were under? How did they know? What did you do? What was the outcome?
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9 Positive Indicators
Spends time developing mutually beneficial relationships with others. Takes the time to get to know internal and external partners on a personal level. Promotes policies, procedures, or structures that support strong relationships, both internally and externally. Follows through on commitments to build credibility and trust. Takes the time to learn the cultural customs, language, personal preferences, background, etc. of others. Readily offers co-operation and assistance to others and makes a strong effort to develop close and credulous relationships. Considers the feelings, concerns, and interests of others when making decisions. Encourage others to seek guidance and support when they have questions or are experiencing frustrations. Looks for opportunities for synergy between people/teams.
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Does not effectively utilise opportunities to develop strategic relationships with individuals or partners relevant to UNICEFs mission/mandate. Attitudes and behaviours do not foster positive ties with partners and do little to strengthen UNICEFs position for improving the lives of women and children. Is so focused on completing the task at hand, that little effort or emphasis is placed on developing and nurturing relationships with others. Focuses only on self-serving, once-sided relationships that create more animosity than trust. Reacts in a defensive or argumentative manner. Bases communication on strictly factual-level and does not seek to develop more personal relationships with others. Does not appreciate the difficulties or constraints under which others are working. Actions and reactions focus solely on ones own interests. Does not get involved in discussions and debate. Fails to appreciate the constraints that others are under. Refuses to help other team member. Is uncomfortable with people and makes them feel uncomfortable Gets into unnecessary conflicts.
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Please tell me about a time when you have tried hard to be very
frank and open. Why was frankness important? How did you approach the situation? What did you say? What did you do? How was your message received?
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9 Positive Indicators
Makes decisions in a timely manner based upon factual information, impact upon people, analyses, wisdom, and experience. Carefully considers both political implications and impact on the child when making difficult decisions. Makes thoughtful, outcome based decisions, even with ambiguous information under pressure and tight deadlines. Considers the severity or implications of a situation and makes provisions for damage control. Does not back down from a decision even under pressure, in the context of UNICEFs principles and values. Make tough and potentially unpopular decisions despite opposition. Effectively handles extreme decisions that fall outside of standard policies and regulations. Consult with others for input and counsel when necessary. Weighs up alternative courses of action. Emphasises personal accountability in his/her decision-making.
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Tend to need more time than others and struggles to make quality decisions in a timely manner. Reacts impulsively when making decisions. Has difficulty maintaining a balance between individual decision-making and team-based decision-making which calls for collective action. Fluctuates or second-guesses his/her decisions during times which require snap decision-making. Inconsistent in making appropriate recommendations for action. Makes a decision based on half-truths or unclear facts instead of focusing on substantiated data. Defers tough decisions to others. Procrastinates and delays action; does not escalate decision-making when doing so is necessary. Will not act unless complete information is available. Seeks to blame others for poor decision. Escalates decisions unnecessarily. Takes others advice without due reflection. Allows ambiguous situations to persist.
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someone who you believed was behaving inappropriately? What was the specific situation? What did you say and do? How was this received? What have been the consequences of your action? you had been less tolerant of another persons inappropriate behaviour? What delayed or prevented your action? What was the impact of this? How might your behaviour at this time have differed from that of your colleagues? to make at work? What made it so difficult? What things did you need to consider in making this decision? What were the implications of making an error? How did you feel about needing to make the decision? What feedback did you receive about the outcome you achieved?
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Name of Candidate External/Internal Nationality Date of Birth Gender Date and Place of Interview Face-to-face Interviewer(s) Ms. AAAA Ms. BBBB Mr. CCCC or
Ms. XXXX YYYY External Kenya 10/10/1965 Female 24 March 2004, Nairobi Telephone D
g) The interviewers must have the Job description and/or terms of reference together with all
relevant background information/CV of each candidate. h) The panel may wish to recommend learning / developmental support for the candidate. i) The panel should arrange for all interviewed candidates to receive feedback (please refer to the developmental coaching guidelines in the P2D portal
Technical Knowledge:
A. Academic Qualifications: University degree, preferably advanced university degree or equivalent background, in Social Sciences, Civil Engineering, Public Health, Environmental Sanitation, Sanitary Engineering, Hygiene, Education, or other relevant disciplines, with training in rural water supply, sanitation, hygiene, or a related technical field. B. Experience (Please select one below) Junior
Mid
Senior Ten to thirteen years of relevant professional work experience. Developing country work experience (for NO). Background/ Familiarity with emergency and security. 15 years professional experience.
Five to eight years of relevant professional work experience. Developing Developing country work country work experience (for experience (for NO). NO). Background/ Background/ Familiarity with Familiarity with emergency and emergency and security. security. C. Specialized Expertise:
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Worked briefly in NGO.
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Extensive experience as engineer in water purification.
Knowledge of water and sanitation practices and technology. Understanding of community relations. D. Languages:
Fluency in English Fluency in French Fluency in Spanish Knowledge of other UN working language(s)
D Mother tongue D D D
Junior-Level: applies to posts categorized as NO-A, NO-B, L-1, L-2, P-1, and P-2. Mid-Level: applies to posts categorized as NO-C, NO-D, L-3, L-4, P-3, and P-4. Senior level: applies to posts categorized as P-5 and above as well as Section Chief / Office Head (National and International Officers).
Assessment O N W D D E D
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Several of her technological ideas are now the standard for water purification.
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Seems a bit introverted, but very articulate. Aware of her own strengths.
Mainly worked independently throughout D career; never leaded a team/project with others.
Competencies Required
D D D
Very good understanding of technical issues. Proven record of solving problems quickly and effectively. Not a big networker. Focuses on own solutions, does not ask for others opinions. Never lead a team/project. Prefers to work alone, or be given clear instructions.
Junior-Level: applies to posts categorized as NO-A, NO-B, L-1, L-2, P-1, and P-2. Mid-Level: applies to posts categorized as NO-C, NO-D, L-3, L-4, P-3, and P-4. Senior level: applies to posts categorized as P-5 and above as well as Section Chief / Office Head (National and International Officers).
It would be beneficial for her to attend a project manager/team-leader workshop or training opportunity.
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