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Case: 99-7625 (JCSO)

Date: April 26, 1999

By: Investigator R. Vette

At: West Metro Task Force

Other Officers: Investigator T Acierno

1U: Interview with Christopher Morris, Gary Morris (Natural Fatherof Chris) and Attorney John
Richilano

DETAILS:

1. On April 20, 1999 Investigators Vette and Acierno interviewed Christopher Morris along with
his attorney and father. At approximately 7'43 PM. and priorto any questioning Investigator
Acierno advised Christopher Morris, his father and attorney of their Miranda rights from a
Departmental Advisement form. All stated they understood and agreed to speak with
investigators. Christopher Morris and his father bothsigned the advisement waiver form.

2, Investigator Vette asked Morris to explain what had occurred since he woke up this morning
to the time he was brought to the Sheriff's Office Chris Morris saidthat when he woke up this
morning he was getting ready for bowling class which is held at the A..'vlF Bowling alley located at
the intersection of Belleview and Federal Blvd. Chris Morris saidthat this is his first period
Columbine High School class. Morris said class was to held this weekMonday throughThursday
although the schedule changes from time to time. Morris said that Eric Harris was to pick him up
around 5.50 A.M. although Harris never showed up. Chris Morris said he waited for Harris until
around 6 00 A.M. so he drove his ownvehicle (1985, red, Dodge, Lancer) to the bowling alley
and attended class. Morris said that he likes to get III class early so he can get a good bowling ban
andshoes andthe bowling lanes are turned on about 6 30 A.M. Chris Morrissaid Eric Harris
never caned him saying he wouldn'tbe picking him up this morning. Morris also saidthat Dylan
Klebold at one timeused to pickhim up for bowling although hasn't done so for about a year

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Morris said during class be never saw Harris or Klebold and assumed they weren't comingto
school. Morris said that he has never seen Dylan Klebold or Eric Harris miss bowling class unless
they were sick, but both never missed class together, ChrisMorris said that today his bowling
teammates were Nate LNU, Eddie Day, Terry Sabe and Mike Pavalonin (all last names
phonetically spelled) which are all Columbine High Schoolstudents ChrisMorris said that each
gametakes between 15·20 minutes and class is usually done about 7 20 AM"

3" Following the bowling class Chris said he drove directly to Clement Park and was listening to
music and looking for paperwork he needed to bringto class, ChrisMorris said that during this
time his vehicle overheated" Morris said this was just prior to S,00 A,M. so he let the car cool
down in Clement Park. (Morris later changedhis story and said that he drove from the bowling
alley to McDonald's to get something to eat, by himself, then responded to the area of Columbine
High Schoolwhere the school kids smoke and ate what he purchasedfrom McDonald's. Morris
described this area as being on a street above the student parking lot. Morris said while in this
smoking area he spoke to. George LNU, FrankLNU and another male individual whose name he
couldn't recall, Morris said this conversation onlylasted a few minutes while he was eating
Morris said once he finished eating he drove to Clement Park where his car overheated and spoke
to another male individual while waitingfor his car to cool down" Morris could not remember this
persons name.) Chris Morris said once the vehicle cooled down he drove closer to the Columbine
High School so he didn't have as far to walk when he left the school. Morris said he then went to
his second period Science class with Mr. Freezen (Phonetic) then to his third period
Govemmenr/Economice class. Chris Morris said following this class he went to his car and drove
to Cub Foods where he purchased Mountain Dew and other items, then drove to Cory Freezen's
house, (Son of Science Teacher, Me Freezen) whereMorris said that he hangsout at a lot
following school. Chris Morris said once at Cory's house they began playing Nintendo games for
approximately thirty minutes to an hour when Cory received a telephone call from his mother
saying that there had been a shooting at Columbine High School. Chris Morris said he and Cory

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Freezenthen attempted to drive to the schooland got to Cross Drive near the movie theaters
turned around and went to the International House ofPancakes (mOP) in an attempt to find
school mends. Chris Morris said that he and Cory Freezen didn't see anyone so they drove back
to CoryFreezen's house which is on the other side (West)of Southwest Plaza. Chris Morris said
while on there way back to Cory's house he received several pages on his Motorola pager ( 303-
505-9051) and attempted to return the calls once at Freezen's house. Morris said one of the calls
was from his girlfriend, Nichol woo said that she was at the mop Morris said that he and Cory
then got into Cory's truck since Morris' vehicle was beginning to overheat again and drove back
to the mop attempting to locate Morris' girlfriend. Morrissaid that Nichol had already left by
the timehe and Cory arrived so they drove to Nichol's houseand found her there. Chris Morris
said once at Nichol's house she told him that she believed one of the people involved in the
shooting at Columbine High School was "Dylan" Chris Morris said that he is familiar with Dylan
who works with him at BlackjackPizza and is on his same bowling team. Morris they didn't stay
at Nichol's house long because Cory was worried about hisdad so they drove back to Freezen's
house to wait for telephone calls or anyword that Cory's dad was alright. Chris Morris said once
back at Cory's house Charles Phillips called saying that he had heard what had happened on the
news Morris said that Charles Phillips, his brother, and a neighbor who heard the report on the
newsand knew Mr Freezen, then came over to Cory Freezen's house Morris said they were all
watching the news when they reponed that the people involved were wearingtrench coats and
possibly involved in a group calledthe trench coat mafia. Chris Morris said he knew the only
people wearing trench coats at Columbine High School wereEric Harris and DylanKlebold,
becausehe stopped wearing his about a year ago and dido't know anyoneelse other than Harris
and Klebold who wore trench coats. Chris Morris said things began sounding familiar and be not
only remembered the two wearing trench. coats but also remembered that the two had been
shootingbowling pins in the mountains. Morris also said that Harris and Klebold had been
involved in blowing thingsup around work and explained that Harris and Klebold both had been
in trouble at Blackjack Pizza and were told not to light firecrackers or anything else. Morris said

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Harris and Klebold would take the gunpowder out of the firecrackers and compact or pressurize
it. Chris Morris said after realizing this, he and Cory Freezen both believed that Harris and
Klebold were involved. Morris said he then called 911 in an attemptto speakto a Detective and
explain that he believed he knew who the suspects were.. Morris said once he calledthe Sheriff's
Office he was beingtransferred on the telephone and it was disconnected. Morris said that his
mother, who works at Cherry Hills Police Department, then paged him so he returned the
telephone calland told his mother what had taken place, Chris Morris said that his motherthen
had him speak to a Cherry HillsPoliceDetective. Chris Morris said the Cherry Hills detective was
to pass on the information to JCSO and didn't remember his name. Chris said he then hung up and
decided to again try calling the Sheriff's Office, Chris Morris said he was transferred to a
Detective and told the Detective his story Investigator T. Acierno confirmed this information as
he wasthe Investigator Morris had spokento when be called the second time, Chris Morrissaid
Investigator Acierno told him to stay at Freezen's residence and the police would come by and
talk with him. Morris said the police arrived at Freezen's residence and told him to remove all of
his property from his pockets. Morris said he did so and was placed in handcuffs and brought to
Clement Park where he was taken to a van where several peoplequestioned him Morris said
following the questioning he was brought to the Sheriffs Office

4. Chris Morris explained approximately 6 months ago Dylan Klebold brought what Chris
believed as a pipe bomb to work. Morris described the pipebomb whichappeared to be
approximately 2' round and 12" longwith capsat both endsand a fuse, Morris said that he and a
number of employees saw the pipe bomb and Morris told Klebold to get it out of the business,
Morris said that Klebold mumbled something to the effect that you put shrapnel inside and Morris
said he didn't want to know anything about it,

5. Morris said approximately 4 weeks ago Eric Harris or "Reb" as he wanted to be called, told
Morris that he wanted to put a trip bomb in the fence behind Blackjack Pizza. Morris said there is

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a holein the fence behind Blackjack Pizza where a lot ofldds go through to gain access to the
other side and Harris wanted to set a trip device so when kids came through the fence it would go
off. Morrissaid he saw the trip device whichwas a CO-2 cartridge filled with gun powder Morris
saidthe cartridge had matches wrapped around the outside with a string attached as the tripping
device, Morris said when the string was tripped it would causethe matches to tight, whichwould
light the fuse, and the cartridge would explode, Morris said he told Eric Harris net to put the trip
bomb in the fence. Morris said he is unsure whetherHarris ever did or not. Christopher Morris
said he then began realizing that Klebold and Harriswere settingolf to many bombs and that they
were making bombsthat could aetuallyhurt someone Chris Morrissaid it was around this same
time that he heard from employees at work that Eric Harris was tryingto have someone purchase
weapons for him at a gun shaw Morris was unsure whether this occurred although he believes
someone did buy the guns for Harris, possibly through PhilDurana former employee of Blackjack
Pizza, becauseDuran had mentioned to Christhat theyhad gone shooting bowling pins Morris
saidthat he heard from several different people that Harris got the guns although he (Morris)
neversaw anyof the guns Morris said that PhilDuran later told him that they were playing with
an AK-47 althoughhe never mentioned purchasing thegun for K1ebold or Harris. Morris said
that he has only fired one gun in his life which was at camp and the onlygun he ever saw Harris
with was a pellet gun Morris said that PhilDuran would be hard to track down since he has a
newjob in the telecommunications field and was out of State.

6. Investigator Vette asked Morris what time he made it to his first class. Morris said that his first
class starts at 8.20 A.M. and he was outside waiting to get in the class at 8'10 to 8 15 A.M
Morris said that class is finished at about 9'20 A.M. Morris said that there is a five minute passing
period and he went to his next class Governmem/Economic which starts at 9 25 A.M and goes
until 10'15 A.M. Chris saidat 10'15 A.M he left class once it was finished and drove directly to
CubFoods where he was in the store about 5 minutes purchasing foods items then drove directly
to Cory Freezen's house. Morris estimatedthat fromthe time he [eft school at 10:15 A.M. until

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he reached Cory Freezen's house was about twenty minutes or about 10'35 A.M Moms also
stated that he had his CubFoods receipt at CoryFreezen's home which may show the exacttime
he was at Cub Foods, (this receipt was not recovered).

7 Chris Morris said that Klebold and Harrisboth have computers although they were taken away
by theirparents about a year ago because HarrisandKlebold werearrested for breaking into a
vehicle and stealing computer parts. Morris said thatbothHarrisandKlebold were on Jefferson
County Diversion for the violations and believes they were released fromDiversion about a month
ago. Morriswas asked if he knew for what purposes Harris and Klebold used the computer for?
Moms said that both Harrisand Klebold used the computer for playing games between
themselves. Morris said that a game called "Quake" which is much like the game "Doom" was
played almost everyday by Harris and Klebold. Morris said that ali you do in the games is kill and
blow up people and he (Moms) didn't take much interest in the games Morris said he was
unaware ifKlebold and Harrisused the computer anything else, Investigator Vette asked Morrisif
hewas into computers? Morris said that he likes computers and etlioys programing games. Moms
said that he also wishes to be II computernetwork administrator someday after he takes all the
classes Morris was asked if he owns a computer Morris said that he does own II computer
although has no Internetprovider. Morris said that he kind of useda mends Internet provider
whose is named, "Chuck" although doesn't usedthat anymore. Morris said that he once used
America On Line, about 5-6 months ago although could no longerafford the service Christopher
Morris said that his screen name is "Grunt257" Morris said that he andCory Freezen have played
games between computers without having an Internet provider by simply calling each others
modems

S. Chris Moms was asked if he had anything illegal in his home or anything in his home that
would relate to this investigations? Morrissaidthat the onlything he couldthink ofwas a butler
fly knife which wasgivento him as a present, by"Chuck" and some fireworks from last fourth of

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July Investigator Vette askedMorris ifhe had any explosive devices bomb making material or
anything of that kind? Morris saidthe only think he had was the firecrackers, which he obtained
from a fireworks stand.

9. Investigator Vette asked Chris Morris if it would be alright to search his bedroom for any
evidentiary items? Morris said that Investigators could search his room. It should be notedthat
Defense Attorney JohnRichilanc was present during all of the interview. Furthermore,
Investigator Vette told Morris that he would like to take his (Morris) clothing, which couldassist
investigators in the elimination of suspects. Morris agreed and advised that investigators could
take hisclothing. Investigator veee also asked to takeMorris' computerwhich was in his
bedroom. Morris agreed. Investigator Vetteexplained that he knew nothing of computers and
computer people wouldbe broughtin to view the contents of the computer. Morris again agreed.
Investigator Vette explained that he would try to get someone to look at his computerright away
although he was unsure when investigators would be done withhis computer Attorney Richilano
said inthe past it has taken about three weeks.

10. Investigator T. Acierno read Chris Morris and his father the consent to search form Which was
signed by beth allowing officers to search.Morris' bedroom for evidentiary items. Investigators
then made arrangements to meetChris Morris, his father and Defense Attorney Richilano at Chris
Morris' residence of; 5466 WestPortland Drive. Upon arrival, Investigators met with Morris'
mother who had apparently beentelephoned by Chris Morris, his father or attorney and she had
the computer disconnected and waiting at the front door (inside). Investigator Vette adived
Morris' mother that a consent search hadbeensigned and Investigators were going to search his
bedroom. Shortly thereafter, Marc Allen Morris (brother of Chris) arrived and provided
Investigator Vette with Chris Morris' clothing. Marc Morris saidthat his brotherwas afraid to
come home since the newsmedia was present. Mark Morris said every bit of Chris Morris'
clothing he was wearing this date was in the paper sack.

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11. Investigators responded inside the residence andto the upstairs (southwest) bedroom. A
search was conducted as well as photographs taken priorto the search, Nothing of evidentiary
value was immediately observed. Paperwork, photograph negatives, fireworks, computer CPU
and miscellaneous items taken into custody (see evidence property unit report, dared04-2Q.99)
andtransported to the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office Evidence/Property Bureauwho will
continue to maintain care, custodyand control of the items. Investigators cleared the residence at
approximately 11:16 P M

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The following is a telephone transcript of a
conversation between Christopher R. Mo=is and Philip J. Duran on
April 24, 1999 at approximately 12:48 p.m. at Denver, Colorado.

The transcript has been cOl\1Pared to the audio tape

recording from which it was made, and to the best of my ability,
the transcript is a true, complete, and accurate record of the
recording.

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04/24/1999 It Denver! Colorado (telephonically)

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Christoph..r II. MQrris and Philip J. Duran .On 04/24/1999 2

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(tone sound)
Christopher R. Morris This is Christopher R. Morris todays
date is four twenty-four ninety-nine.
It is approximately twelve forty-eight
p.m.. I'm attempting to contact Philip
Joseph Duran at telephone number, area
code, three zero three, nine tr.ree
seven, eight six four eight. I am
making this telephone call from the
offices of the F-B-I, Denver, Colorado.
(phone ringing)
(tone)
(dialing number)
(phone ringing)
Philip J. Duran Helle.
Morris Is Phil there?
Duran This is him.
Morris Hey. Phil, how ya doin' man?
Duran Pretty good.
Morris Hey this is Chris.
Duran Oh hey what's up Chris.
Morris Net much man. This whole thing sucks.
Duran Yeah.
Morris Jesus.
Duran Yeah •••

Morris Man.

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3

Duran " .it's pretty, crazy man.

Morris Yeah. The media's gain' psycho, I don'
know man it's like ... I'm jus' tryin' to
call everybody right now you know.
Yeah totally.
Morris Tryin' to give everybody a buzz, aa ,
Duran Totally, so what's been gain' on man?
Morris I don' know man. I've been hearing
somthin', that un, that the media is un,
they don't have this yet but un ... Eric
and Dylan were showin' a tape in the
Tech Lab recently ... of you guys up
shoot in' . And he was he's showin' that
in the Tech Lab they haven't got ahold
of that yet but I've had a couple people
ask me about it. I don' even know what's
up with that. I saw it, I saw it once
but uh , they're like gain' crazy on that
thing.
Duran Jesus yeah I know dude, it's pretty ... 1
don' know man, so why'd they take you
away?
Morris It well, I came down there 'cause I
thought! knew who it was inside. And I
went down to try and 9'i ve some
information and they, they just
questioned basically but, you know they
had they handcuffed to do it and
everything. But uh, yeah I've just been
kinda, kinda ya know layin' low hidin'
out right now from everything.
Duran Yeah totally I, fuckin' saw you on the
news man I was just like oh God ...

Morris Yeah I know.

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Duran · .. Unintelligible (UI) Morris.

Morris I know uh ..• it's just like it's it's real
psycho right now I ...
Duran Yeah.
Morris · .. I've been hidin' out at different
people's houses and things.

Duran liuh?

Morris I've been bidin' out at different

people'S houses and things.

Duran Geez.
Morris It's, yeah (laughs), it's pretty crazy.
Naw I been, I've jus' been raadin' the
newspaper tryin' to figure out ...hat
...hat's been goin' on.
Duran Yeah.
Morris They keep askin' me you knew askin' me
questions I have no idea I'm (sigh), I
know as much as they do in the
newspapers.

Duran Yeah fuckin' New York Times and C-N-N

have showed up my parents house tryin'
to find me..•
Morris Shit yeah.
Duran · .. because I worked with him.
Morris Yeah I know they're gorma be cheokin'
everybody at Blackjack oalling
everybody •..
So my dad's been tel lin' 'em..•

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Morris · .. talkin' to everybody .

Duran ... to get the fuck off our property and
shit and , ..
Morris Yeah.

Duran I'm not talkin' ...

Morris Naw.
Duran · .. to anybody dude they can all piss off
I'm not feedin' in to this dude.

Morris Yeah I know I know it's a bunch a, it's a

bunch of crap out there right now. Naw
1 I was jus', I was lookin' in the
newspaper today ... you know on those
things?

Duran Uh huh.
I think Eric and Oylan went and used
those, those things they had recorded.
t think they used the saltle ones.

Duran 1 don't know I heard they ...

Morris Their their shotguns or whatever.

Duran · ... they had a video of them like

walking through the halls like
pretendin' to do it or some shit dude.
Yeah they had somethin' like that and
then they had the other one uhm, when
you guys were just up doin' target
practice. I think they used the same
shotguns and everything. That's why the
media's like goin' crazy after that
they're tryin' find out that ..• geez •
. Somebody, they were asking me about that
1 ..• 1 ciidn't know about that {coughsl.

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Duran Yeah fuclcin' ..• they had that last dude
so I don' lenow.
Morris Yeah they, what were you guys out there
dain' in like Deer Creek Canyon or
whatever or ... ?
Ouran No.
Morris No that wasn't Deer Creek it was uh ,
what was it it was uhm •••
Duran Rampart.
Morris Rampart that's what it was. You guys
were up there yeah 'cause I remember
them talkin' about takin' the bowling
pins up and everything.

Duran I don' lenow dude it's ...

Morris I don' knew •

Duran ... just insane right now man.

Morris Yeah, do you lenow if they, did they get
those like when Brie turned eighteen did
they go out and bUy those, the shotguns?
Duran I have no clue dude.

Morris Did they steal 'em, ah man. Because

they keep askin' me all this and I'm like
I I have no idea you lenow. Tryin' to
find these things out.
Duran I have no clue dude.
Morris Yeah. Yeah they, one big thing I was
wonderin'. do you know, like one of your
one of your buds got uhm, got some of
those for 'em because I remember their
askin' you and you you were like no.

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Duran Yeah I told 'em no man , I just said

wait till to your eighteen dude.
Morris One of your friends, who was that guy,
Dylan was telling me about one of your
friends who, who said somethin' about
goin' down to show with 'em.
Duran Yeah we all told 'em wait till their
eighteen dude none of us would.
Morris (sigh) yeah.
Duran All I can say is I'm glad I didn't dude.
Morris Yeah this whole thing is is kinda crazy
rm....
Duran Yeah it'lII jUlllt fuckin' ••• I den' know I
even flew back in to town a day early I
was in Chicago dude.
Morris Oh damn. I'm ...

Duran And ! walked into a T-e-I into Chicago

about twenty minutelll after it happened
dude and. I was just like what the fuck
dude.
Morrilll I know. I know.
Duran That's why I called my house and luckily
my brother and sister both maae it Qut.
Morrilll I know yeah.

Duran My sister was up in office auae, fuckin'

hidin' unaerneath a desk and then she
saw •••

Morris Shit..

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Duran. ... a bunch of kids rur.ning up the han
and she took of with 'em.
Yeah and j u.st .•.
My brother was sittin' at the street
light ..• fuckin' when the first pipe bomb
went off. My cousin had just left the
cafeteria like five minutes before dude.
Morris (sigh) My girlfriend was right inside
there.
Duran. Was she okay?
Merris Yeah she's okay one of her. her brether's
friends get shot right next to him but
uh, (sigh) I'm still tryin' to figure out
why they did it you have any idea?
Duran. I have no clue dude ...

Morris I never noticed anything.

Duran. ... I never ever saw this comin' dude

that's why I was just like what the
fuel\:.
Morris I know I know. Haa Jesus man.
You know I might (UIl I tell you (UI)
it's like aw God man ...
Morris Yeah ...
Duran ... don't be worse man.
..• yeah. No I made sure I didn't have
anything to do with it but uh .•. uh you
know, God it's just so, you know it just
pisses me off that they go and do
somthin' like this.

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Duran I can't believe it dude.

Morris (sigh) I know.

Duran I totally couldu't believe it man.

Morris No but yeah but (sigh), they even were

tellin' Dylan unm, I haven't heard him,
talkin' you know about the about the
guns thing. Everything I'm still tryin'
to figure all this out because they said
they got some, from one of your friends
a.t a gun show. So I wanted to try and
figure out if that was true but ...

Duran Maw man.

Morris Hey God man this is ...

Duran Really ...

Morris 'Cause I wanna find out all about this

junk man you know, this is this is bull.

Duran Yeah I was, go=a try and get ahold of

you but I was lik.e naw I probably better
not.

Yeah, I mean, I jus' wanna (stutteringi

uh, are you gonna say anything in
particular like if they see if they get
a.hold of that video? 'cause I don' know
I I haven't been !lavin' anything about
it.

Duran Oidn't do nothin' man. I don' know.

(sigh) (01) I'm jus' you know, callin'

everyone I'm tryin' to get ahold of Bob
and everything.

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Duran I don't think Bob's at home I've driven
by his house and I haven't seen his car
there.
Morris Yeah, I saw him the day it happe.ned.
Driving down the street.
Duran Really?
Morris I've jus' been, you kno...... {sigh} that
they they, ...hen they talk to me they're
gonna be talkin' to like everybody at
Blackjack, Billy James r mean they're
goin' through the records and they're
gonna pullout everybody.
Duran Yeah I kno....
Morris It's hat they're sayin'.
Duran I kno .
Morris (sigh} so other than that how you been?
Duran Alright dude and like I said I ca, flew
back a day early from my job... you know
and ...

Morris Yeah, hopefully that things goin' okay.

Duran Yeah it was goin' great dude and then
you know, I fuckin' .•. r was gonna fly
back Tuesday but then I was like no I
<ii' r don't you kno... I didn't ...a nt to
risk my job already.
Morris Yeah yeah.
Duran So carne Thursday one of the other guys
was le' was already he wall leavin'
Thu:t'Sday anyway so I asked him if there
was anyway they could get me a flight,

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and they flew me back Thursday and I got

back about one o'clock.
Morris Yeah this (laughs), man the first thing
I did when I heard abOut this whole
thing is I ran down, I tried to get to
the school to find my girlfriend.
Duran Yeah like I said I went I fuckin',
called my brother and sister right away
and make sure they were both okay.

Morris Yeah.
Dural;' One of my brother's frienas was in the
fuckin', locked in a closet in the
science room for like ...
Morris Gee" .
Duran .. . three and a half hours and another
one of 'em, I guess he had to zun down
fucldn' hallway dude and jump over a
bunch of a dead bodies to get out.
Morris Shit.
Duran They've both been seayin' at our house
'cause they're both pretty messed up they
were twin brothers.
Morris God. Man I'm just, rill jus' pissed you
know I wanna know how they fricki:n' got
these damn guns ya know. This is, you
know ..•
Duran I wanna know why the fuck they just did
it dude I don't •.• it's just insane dude.

Morris I know you work with somebody and shit.

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Duran I know dude. Workin' for a year and I

just, you know it's jus' like what the
fuck.
Morris Jeah I know I know. (sigh) it's just.
Shit well you know I wanna see you know
hope you're feelin' good and everything.
Duran Yeah I'm alright like I said I'm just a
little bit shakin' but, you know I jus'
been kinds hang in' and ... you know go up
to, the memorial service tomorrow.
Morris Hey on the, on the video, uhm Dylan er,
I think it was Eric on it, he had a
sawed off, double barrel, didn't he?

Duran I thin' I don't remember dude. It was

awhile ago when I saw that so ...

Morris But yeah 'cause, 'cause when I was I was

lookin' at I saw you and everybody else
and and like uh, I don' know maybe your
fiance or whatever but, I I was 100ldn'
in the paper and they actually showed
acme uh clips of 'em, I think they used
the same things they were goin' up
shootil1' with, with you. Po you know if
they like, took those from their dads
house, to bring 'em?

Duran I have no clue dude. I have no clue.

Morris Hmm, man I don' know. (pause) Hey hold

en one second somebody's saying
1I0methin' , •.

Duran Okay.
Morris H • here bold on.
(no voices)
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Merris Yeah I'm sorry 'bout that man, my uhm ••.
Duran Yeah they knew ...
Morris •.. jus' (laughs) .
Duran . . . they fuckin' never told us anything
dude so ...
Yeah ti' God I jus', I hope ! can find
somebody knows Somethin' you know I
wanna, ! wanna know as much as everybody
if not more 'cause, you know, ! mean!
hu.'19 out with 'em everyday and, I didn't
learn anything you know. It's it's kinda
pisses me off.
Duran I know dUde we worked with 'em, fuckin'
for over a year and it's just ...
Morris Yeah I mean they even told a few people
I guess to get out of the school that
they knew.
Duran Yeah that's what I heard.
Mords Yeah, Jesus_
Duran You know fuckin' Brooke and •••

Morris Yeah Brooke's and everything like that

they were they told 'em to basically to
get out.. (sigh)
Duran Like if the and I mean, luckily my
brother, was suppose ee , he wasn't
suppose to leave campus that day 'cause
he's a sophomore.

Morrill Yeah I was, I was uh, I did I didn't

even go to my fourth hour that day I've
been, like not goin' to it for like the

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last, the last couple weeks you know and

I didn't go.
Yeah.

Morrill I don' you know.

Duran My brother was suppose to be there and

fuckin' he uh, luckily my dad had given
him, my dad had let him take his car
that clay .•• 'cause he had some art thing
that he was suppose to go •.•
Morris Yeah yeah .
. . . or some shit take a bunch of friends
and like I said they were, sittin' up at
the street light gettin' ready to
leave ...

Morris Gsell: •

Duran . . . that's when the shit started

happenin' .
Morris I know I I went down I actually went
down and called them when I went down
there to try and help 'em 'cause, you
know I'm sittin' there you're goin' you
know I remember they they Dylan brought
in a pipe bomb once before and things
like that and ...

Duran He had?

Morris (sigh) I don' know (sigh) ...

Duran Yeah I mean, like you said I mean I was

out in Chicago when I heard about it you
know I just walk in this T-C-I and
fuckin' Columbine High School and I'm
jus' .••

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Morris Yeah I know naw I jus' wanted to ask you
about the guns thing to because Dylan
said he was gettin' some money together
for ya, like a couple weeks ago.
Duran No.
Morris So I don' know.

Duran Like I said I wouldn't I was jus' like

man, I'm not eighteen I'm like I, you
know you SUys are my friends and all
but ...

Morris Yeah yeah .

Duran ... I just don't want to de that and you

know, luckily I'm, I'm glad I didn't.

Morris Yeah ... yeah.

Duran Definitely glad I didn't,

Morris Yeah I jus', it's all chaotic man you

know I gotta, gotta fisure things out
slowly I SUess you know.

Duran Yeah I'm pretty much you know gettin'

everything from the media and the
media's just:. full of shit you know.

Morris I know yeah there ...

Duran Marilyn Manson and Doom and ...

Morris All these things are the cause of it,

yeah I know.
You know I'm just like what the fuck
dude, they didn't even listen to Marilyn
Manson.

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Morris Yeah I know, they didn't listen to any

of that junk. I mean Dylan did but,
man, well Eric lias ..•
Duran Naw they didn't really listen to it that
llIUch though.
Morris Yeah yeah, well E:dc was gettin' into
lilte the the ...
Duran (UIl?

Morris Hmm.

Duran What'd ya say?

Morris Hitler was get or er uh Eric was gettin'
into that like Hitler stuff though
Which, you know was kinda strange I mean
he started readin' the books on him and
everything. Whole bunch lately but you
know I didn't even think about that.

Duran Yeah.
Morris Jesus,

Duran I wouldn't, 1 mean like I said dude it

was jus' ... you know 1. ,.didn't seem any
different than what I normally ... you
know then 1 ...
Morris I mean ...

Duran .•. then llIOst kids are you know just,

playin' video games •.• you know fuckin'
workin' and shit like that and Ann said
that uh, Dylan worked Monday night.

Morris Yeah I heard that he was suppose to be

"'Orkin' that night or whatever and •..

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Duran Or he came in or someehing Ann said he

came in or he was workin' Monday night
she, she couldn't remember.
Morris Yeah I was suppose to work Tuesday. I
think Blackjack's closed for awhile now,
for a good long while.
Duran Uhm, he said he may open on Monday.

Morris Oh yeah.
Duran But he's sayin' if nobody wants to come
back he understands.
Morris I'm ncc , but I mean I already gave my
ewo weeks you know.
Duran Yeah he even had uh, I guess he even had
the F-B-I come out on Wednesday and,
sweep the store.
Geez man ehat's, that's some uh, some
bigger stuff.
Duran Yeah it's pretty orazy like I said I
haven't, I haven't seen Billy around and
(In I by, didn't see his car and I've
driven past there twioe.
(no voioes)
(sigh) Geez man. This (laughs) I don't
know what to say about this whole thing.
Duran I know. Insane dude.
Morris God.
Duran That's about it.
Morris Yeah, I mean I feel, I feel sorry I mean
feel sorry for 'em but at the same

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time .•• you know I, it's kinaa like one

of those, you just, pissecl at 'em. But
you know one of those how eoula they do
that.

Duran Totally elude.

Morris (sighl I don' know I mean ...

Iluran You know and ... the thing I don't, they

keep sayin' that they're racist but I
just ... r don't know I mean, you know
they knew I was Mexican they never
fuckin' ... you know they never really
sai d anything Cluae ancl...

Morris Yeah. I'm just worried about that video

thing man because that's why r wanted to
call you, they may try and and you know,
they're gonna be eallin' you about that
dang thing 'cause r saw it in class and
everybody was watchin' it dude like like
thirty students.

Iluran (sighsl

Morris We're all sittin' there watehin' with you

and, ana Dylan and all them aoing the
..hoot in' up there at at Rampart.

Duran Yeah. I'm sure they'll, question me but

like I said I don't ...

Morris Yeah.

Duran I don't fuekin' know dude they wou1dn',

never told us anything.

Morris I don' know I'm jus' tryin' tao .. I'm jus'

tryin' ta figure out you know ...

Iluran Yeah.

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Morris ... ! just know Eric and Dylan went up

there and you. ! don't even know whose
those other two people were.

Duran Oh, that was my friend and bis

girlfriend.

Morris Oh, his girlfriend?

Duran Yeah.

Morris Cool. I didn't know i f that was yours

or not 'cause ! dido't get a close enough
look.

Duran No, my girlfriend hates guns.

Morris Yeah.

Duran Now I'm kinda start in' to hate guns too.

Morris Yeah. (sighs) Yeah I've been..• kinda

bidin' over the last oouple days it's
kinda interesting it's uh, it's uh new
thing for me, (laughs}

Duran Yeah. I jus' ...

Morris Just hide everywhere. Hidin' at my

brother's and evel;jf'thing like that.

Duran I've just been kinda stayin' in the house

you know, I went over to my parents and
stuff and I drove by, you know, Clement
Pau::'k,

Morris Yeah they, they won't let back any

anybody baok in the sohool or anything I
guess you know.
Yeah, my mom went and laid flowers and
you know...

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Morris Yea.h well you know, du' I gotta. go but

maybe I'll I'll try and call you again
you know, talk to you later about this
you know.

Duran Yeah I, I'm suppose to be leavin' again

on Sunday or Monday.

Morris Okay, yeah cect . But uh, I'll I'll

probably t.ry and t.alk to you before then
you know it's jus' ...

Duran Well you gonna be at the memorial

service tomorrow?

Morris I may try it's jUs' you know my face is

kinds famous. (laughs)

Duran Yeah ..•

Morris So I may try and go. Uh ..• where where

are you gain' on your t.rip this time?

Duran Uh back to Chicago again.

Morris Back to Chicago again?

Duran Yeah ...

Morris Cool.

Duran •.• we fucking got like, t.hirty more

sites they just found for us to do
'cauae . ~ .

Morris Shit.

Duran .•• T-e-I just got bought by AT&T so now

all those ..•

Morris Yeah I b.eard about that.

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Duran ...AT'T site$ are tumin' into T-C-!

sites.
Morris You gotta convert all that crud?
Duran Yeah, so they found a group of shit but
it sounds like this job's gonna last up
till December though.
MQrris (sigh) That's ay uh, that's U11 that's uh
bit of money you can collect for awhile.
Duran Well they were sayin' when they first
started they told us August, but then
when I started the training classes they
said they wanted it done by July first.
MQrris So yeah they keep changin' the dates on
Va.
Duran Yeah now it's, it's goin' up to December.
MQrris Yeah, well, you know hey I'll try and,
maybe I'll call and drop ya a line yeu
know t.omorrow, maybe you know ... Jus'
depende on things ...
Duran You know like I liaid I'll be so I'll look
for you and, you know (UII •••
MQrris Cool I'll try and, I'll try and come by.
Duran Alright.
MQrris (UI) •

Duran Okay cool man.

Morris Talk to ya later.
Duran Alright..
MQrX'1s Bye.

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Duran Bye.

(hangs up phonel

(pa.usel

(continuous dial tone)

Morris This is Christopner Ricnard Morris I
just completed a. phone
call •.. witn ... Phil Joseph Duran, a.t one
oh two ... p.m., on ... four uh twenty-four
ninety-nine.

(End of conversa.tion and transcript)

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FEDERAL BUREAU OFINVESTIGATION

4/26/S9

Christopher R. Morris, date of birth June S, 1981, home

address 5466 West Portland Drive, Littleton, Colorado, home
telephone number (303) 972-8864, was interviewed at his attorneys
office, Richalano and Ridley PC, 1800 15th Street, Denver,
Colorado. Morris was advised of the identities of the
interviewing Agents and aSked about his knOWledge of the events
that lead to the shootings at Columbine High School on April 20,
1999. Morris was also asked about his knOWledge concerning the
purchase of weapons by Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.
Also present during the inte~!iew was Dr. Gary Morris,
Morris' father and John Richalano, Morris' attorney. Morris.
provided the following infortration:
Morris stated that he had no knowledge of, nor did he
participate in the events that lead up to the shootings at
Columbine High School (CHS).
Morris stated that he was one of the founding members
along with Joe Stair (phonetic) and Tad Boles of what the other
CHS students coined as the "Trench Coat Mafia". As a freshman at
CHS, Morris was picked on because of his size. Between his
freshman and sophomore years he grew a lot and he and a few
others began donning the black trench coat/slickers in order to
intimidate the kids that picked on them. Morris admitted he had
a bad temper but he got his temper under control by the time he
was a junior at CHS. The Trench Coat Mafia picture in the 199B
CMS yearbook was a joke as far as Morris was concerned and it
provided comic relief to the kids that wore the black trench
coats.
Morris began to know Harris and Klebold in his junior
year when the three were in the same video production class and
by the beginning of Morris' senior year he was good friends with
both Harris and Klebold. Morris stated that Harris and Klebold
shared many of the same interests in computers, computer games,
etc. About the time Morris began not wearing his trench ccat,
both Harr~s and Klebold began to wear theirs. Morris believed
that they wore the coats for self protection. Morris stated that
Harris was not a very big person and was more susceptible to
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six feet tall. Morris recalled that Harris was depressed about
his size and getting picked on. Morris was aware that Harris'
nickname was "Reb' and Klebold's nickname was "Vodka".
Morris hegan working at BlackJack Pizza, located at
pierce Street and Ottawa Avenue in the Pierce Street Shopping
Center, Littleton, Colorado, in October 1996. By Fall 1998
Harris, Klehold, Nathan Dykeman, and Philip Duran all worked at
the above BlackJack Pizza. Morris recalled that sometime before
Thanksgiving 1998 Klebold brought into BlackJack Pizza a pipe
bomb to show his friends. Morris recalled he got very mad at
Klebold and told him never to bring another bomb into the pizza
shop or for that matter never show another pipe bomb to him
because he knew how stup~d it was to have a pipe bomb and how
much trouble Klabold could get into if the police found out he
had a pipe bomb.
After Christmas Morris began to think that Harris was
becoming more depressed. Far what reason Morris did not know.
Morris stated that about two months ago he began drifting away
from Harris as their interests were changing. Morris had a
girlfriend, Nicole Markham, and Harris began getting into German
music and books that didn't interest Morris. Morris recalled
going to a German heavy metal concert with Harris that featured a
band called Ramatein. Morris also recalled that Harris began
reading books on Hitler and concentration camps. Morris stated
that he was involved with his own life and not Harris' and the
two grew apart.
Morris had bowling classes on Monday, Tuesday, and
Wednesday with Harris, KIabold, and Dykeman and would associate
with the above individuals during school hours but stopped doing
social things with them. On occasion Harris would pick up Morris
at Morris' home and drive him to bowling class and on some
occasions Harris would drive Morris home from school.
Approximately one month ago Harris brought a C02
cartridge filled with what Morris thought was gunpowder into the
ElackJack Pizza. Harris told Morris that it was a "trip bomb"
for the unknown people that were crawling through the fence
behind BlackJack. Morris told the interviewing Agents that the
BlackJack employees were constantly fixing the fence that unkno~~
people were crawling through and it annoyed the BlackJack

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employees. Morris thought a trip bomb was a little extreme for
people crawling through the fence. Harris told Morris the trip
bomb was just to scare the people. Morris described the trip
bomb as a C02 cartridge wrapped in duct tape and fused with
matches and a string. Morris stated that possibly Klebold and
Dykeman were at the BlackJack Pizza when Harris brought in the
trip bomb.
Morris recalled on another occasion, Harris and Klebold
had set off a device behind BlackJack Pizza but Morris was not
sure what kind of a device it was.
Morris restated that over the last month or so he did
not see Harris or Klebold mUCh. except at school, because he was
hanging around Corey Friesen a lot. Friesen knew Harris and
Klebold. Morris did attend a birthday get together for Harris on
Harris' lath birthday. Morris stated that Harris, Klebold,
Morris, Friesen, and Markham went to the Draft Bar, located at
Southwest Plaza Shopping Center, to celebrate Harris' birthday.
Morris went to prom Saturday night, April 17, 1999 with
Mar~~am. Morris and Markham went with another couple, George
(last name unknown) and a friend of Markhams, whose name Morris
could not recall. Morris stated Klebold went to prom with Robin
Anderson and Dykeman went to prom with Christi Epling. Harris
did not go to prom as he oould not find a date. MorrkS stated
that he and others tried to help Harris find a date to prom but
they were unsuccessful. Harris did attend After Prom and Harris
actually went into the school for After Prom with Morris, Markham
and the other couple. Harris, and Klebold played the poker
tables together and everyone seemed to be having a good time.
Morris said he last saw Harris and Klebold sometime around 1:30am
- 2:00am. Morris and Mar~~am left After Prom at approximately
Sam. Morris and Markham went to Markham's residence and stayed
there until Sunday afternoon.
On Sunday April 18, 1999, Morris spent the afternoon
between Friesen's residenoe and Morris' residence installing
stereo equipment in his car.
On Monday, April 19, 1999, Morris followed Harris to
bowling class at Belleview Lanes and was there with Harris,
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King Soopers for donuts. Morris returned to school and attended

his classes. Morris did nOt recall if Harris and/or Klebold
returned to classes on Monday, Morris stated after his classes
were over he returned to his residence where he took a nap. At
approximately 2:00pm Markham arrived at Morris' residence and
woke him up. At 2:30pm Morris followed Markham back by CMS where
Markham had to stop for a choir robe fitting. Morris did not
stop at school but continued on to Friese~s residence, Morris
stated that at about 3:30pm Markham also came to Friesen's
residence and the two left and went back to Markhams residence.
At approximately 8pm Morris left Markham's residence and returned
to Friese~s. Morris and Friesen then went to see their friend
Charles Phillip II who was working at Video City, located at
Kipling and Jewell, Lakewood, Colorado. They stayed at Video
City until approximately lOpm talking to Phillips and playing
video games. At lOpm Morris and Friesen returned to Friesen's
residence and played the video game Friesen had rented at Video
City. Morris went home at 12 - 12:30am.
On Tuesday, April 20, 1999, Morris waited for Harris to
share a ride to bowling class. At 5:50am Harris did not show, so
at approximately 6:00am Morris drove himself to the Belleview
Lanes. When he arrived at the bowling alley he picked up his
bowling ball and shoes and waited for the others to arrive. Soon
thereafter Dykeman showed up and asked where Harris and Klebold
were. Morris told Dykeman that he did not know where the other
two were and Morris and Dykeman continued on with the class and
bowled two games, beginning at 6:30am.
When bowling class was over, Morris went to McDonald's
and then to Clement Park. Morris was having problems with his
car overheating and thought he would leave his car at Clement
Park instead of parking at the CHS parking lot. Morris began
talking to the unknown male parked beside him and eventually
decided to take the chance of his car overheating in the student
parking lot and gave the kid a ride to CHS parking lot.
Morris attended his second hour class, which started at
8:20am. This class is with Kenneth Friesen, the father of Corey
Friesen. Morris then went to his third hour Government/Economics
class taught by Mr Tenoli (phonetic). This class began sometime
after 9:00am and ended at approximately lO:15am. Morris stated
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of the classes prior to April 20, 1999 and had not attended far
several days/weeks, as he knew he was going to fail the class
anyway.
At approximately 10:lSam, April 20, 1999, Morris left
CHS and went to Cub Foods, in a close by shopping center, on his
way to Corey Friesen's house. Morris stated that at the time of
the shootings he was playing computer games at Friesen's house
with Corey. Morris stated it was not until Mrs. Friesen called
and told the boys ahout the shootings and questioned whether they
had heard from Kenneth Friesen.
As the facts of the shooting began coming over the
television Morris began to suspect that Harris, Klebold, and
possible others were involved. Morris made numerous attempts to
contact Jefferson County Sheriff's Office (Jeso), to tell them
what he knew about Harris and Klebold. Morris stated that scso
kept putting him off or the line was constantly busy so he
decided to go to Clement Park so he could tell what he knew.
When Mcrris arrived at Clement Park he was eventually detained by
JCSO and later debriefed.
Just weeks prior to the CHS shootings Morris began to
notice that Harris was becoming more aggressive and was picking
fights with other people, This made Morris very angry because it
appeared to Morris that Harris kept expecting Morris to bail him
out of these fights. Morris also recalled approximately one week
before the CHS shootings that Harris had asked Morris if he could
store some fireworks at Morris' house. Morris declined, telling
Harris that it would make his Mom too mad. Neither Morris or
Harris brought the subject of fireworks up after that exchange.
Morris was unaware of any Websites that Harris had.
After the shootings, Morris stated that his girlfriend,
Markham had recalled in retrospect that approximately one to two
weeks prior to the shooting she had observed Harris and Klebold
in the CHS cafeteria looking over a piece of paper. Markham went
up to them and asked what they were doing. Markham told Morris
that were trying to hold the paper back where she could not read
what was on it so she teasingly grabbed the paper from them. On
the paper was a diagram of the school cafeteria along with the
location of the cameras.

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Christopher R, Morris
Morris was then aSked by the interviewing Agents about
any knowledge he ~~y have of where the weapons used in the
shootings came from, Morris stated that he did recall another
BlackJack Pizza employee, Phil Duran, had taken Harris and
Klebold shoot~ng, and believed they had gone to gun shOWS
together. Morris had overheard Duran talking to Harris and
Klebold about the gun shows. Approx~mately three weeks to one
month ago Morris also overheard two other BlackJack Pizza
employees, James and Billy (last names unknown), talking about
Harris and Klebold having purchased a gun from Duran or one of
Duran's friends. Morris recalled that the gun they purchased was
an AJ{-47 or a "Tech'. Morris stated at the time he did not know
what a Tech was, and in fact at first thought they were talking
about a computer. In any event Morris thought to himself that
this talk about guns was not good, However he had no idea of the
events that were going to happen at CHS on April 20, 1999.
Morris was aware that Duran lived in a house with
several other people to include another BlackJaok Pizza employee,
Angel (last name unknown).
Morris was aware that Duran was a marijuana smoker, as
were Harris and Klebold. Morris knew this because Duran had
offered him some at one time when Duran was giving Morris a ride
home from work. Morris stated he observed Harris and Klebold
smoking "pot" on one occasion. Morris had no reason to believe
that Duran was a threat to him Or Dykeman.
Morris concluded the interview by stating that he was
mOre than willing to assist in this investigation and was asked
again if he had knowledge of, or participated in the planning or
execution of the shootings and bomb planting at CBS. Morris
restated that he did not and as further proof, if had been aware
of the events of April 20, 1999 he would not have allowed his
girlfriend, who he stated he loves, in the CBS cafeteria at the
time of the shooting, or his girlfriend's little brother, who
came running into the cafeteria telling everyone to get down
because of the shooting. Nor would he have had his best friend's
dad, Kenneth Friesen, in the school at the time of the shootings.

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Christopher Richard Morris, date of birth June 9, 1981,
5466 West Portland Drive, Littleton, Colorado, Social Security
Account Number 521-63-0154, was interviewed outside Columbine
High School, Littleton, Colorado. After being advised of the
identity of the interviewing Agent and the purpose of the
interview, Morris provided the following information:
Morris was at Corey Friesen's home, a friend from
Colu~~ine High School, watching television when he saw a report
on the shooting at Columbine High School. As he listened to the
report, he thought he knew who was involved and came back to the
school to provide information.
Morris believed the two students who were involved to
be Eric Harris and Dylan Klebcld. Harris alsc goes by the nick
name of "Reb" and Klebold "Vodka" . Others he thought
might be involved were (a recent graduate of
Columbine) and elt this because and
as and Kleb d.

Morris was the first to start wearing a black trench

coat. As others started wearing the coats, Morris stopped. He
did this because it was no longer a statement of his
individuality. Morris stated that he and the others were
insulted by other students because of the trench coats. Harris
and Klebold continued to wear the black trench coats and Harris
wore his all the time. Morris believes Harris did this because
the coat made him feel tougher. The name "Trench Coat Mafia"
came about after Morris discontinued wearing the coat.
Besides bowling early in the morning, Morris' classes
(for the morning schedule) were: first period - no class; 2nd
hour - Mr. Friesen; and 3rd hour· Mr. Tinnelly. On April 20,
1999, Morris went to bowling. but Harris and Klebold were not
there. After bOWling class, Morris went to school and attended
his scheduled classes. After 3rd hour, he left campus to get
something to eat and then went to Corey Friesen's house. Corey
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that Harris and Klebold were involved, he felt he should find his
girlfriend, Nicole Markham (303-904-3538 - blocked number), He
found his girlfriend, then decided to come back to columbine to
see if he could provide Some information.
Morris advised that Harris and Klebold had been making
bombs for some time. They had been reading "The Anarchis~s'
Cookbook" and a number of different books about Hitler and the
Nazis. Morris was unaware of any Web sites frequented by Harris
or Klebold. Both Klebold and Harris were knowledgeable in bomb
making.
Klebold, Harris and Morris all worked at the Blackjack
Pizza (Columbine and Pierce, (303) 978-0600). About six months
prior to April 20, 1999, Klebold and Harris set up a trip wire
explosive device on a gate behind the Blackjack Pizza. They made
a special showing cf the device to Morris. He told them to~get
rid of it. Harris and Klebold also brought a pipe bomb to the
Blackjack Pizza. Again, Morris told them that having the devices
was a federal offense and that they could go to jail. This was
important to Morris as he knew that Harris and Klebold had just
come off Diversion for some other offenses. Morris described the
pipe bomb as being made of PVC pipe, about 10 inches long and
having a fuse at one end. He was told it was filled with screws.
Another explosive had a fuse and was made from a C02 cartridge,
The manager of the Blackjack Pizza was Bob Kirges (phonetic). He
is no longer there. The new manager is Chris Lowell (phonetic).
These individuals may have knowledge about the bombs at Blackjack
or about Harris and Klebold.
Morris did not know of any steady girlfriends for
either Harris or Klebold, but did say that Klebold took Robin
Anderson to the Prom. Morris described his relationship with
Harris and Klebold as not close. They were not close friends and
he did not know much about either's personal life. However,
about two weeks ago Morris was privy to a conversation with
Harris. This conversation took place at the morning bowling
class. Harris was saying, "Wouldn't it be fun to kill all the
jocks?" Morris did not think Harris was serious, but Harris
continued with comments about blowing up the school. Harris said
they could put bombs on the school's generators and that should
blow up the school. As Morris wanted nothing more of this
conversation, he began talking to someone else.

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When aSked if Morris thought Harris and Klebold would

set booby traps and explosives in the school, he stated that from
what he had heard so far, he believed they might. When asked
where Harris and Klebold may have gotten the guns, Morris stated
that the shotgun may have been from Klebold's father as he had a
number of guns and was a hunter. Morris thought that other guns
may have been obtained through an older boy (early 20s> at the
Black Jack Pizza. He mentioned Phil Duran as someone who might
have more information or who might have actually gotten guns for
Harris and Klebold. Morris recalled that Harris and Klebold used
to get pins from bowling and use them for target practice.
At this time, the interview was concluded.

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PARKER, BRENDA

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WITNESS BREl'l'DAPARKER, DOB 2119175,1045 t;. ~ Ave, Broomfield,

Colorado, (303) 439-7269

INTERVIEWER: Agent JERRY W. ME~'lS, Colorado Bureauof Investigation, 690

Kipling Street, Denver, Colorado, 80215, (303) 239-4211

DATEJTIME OF
INTERVIEWS. July 14, 1999

PLACE OF
lNTERVIEW: 1045 E 9"'Ave., Broomfield, Colorado.

ASSIGNMENT
SYNOPSIS A report was received through the Northglenn Police Department
indicating BrendaPAAKER knows someofthe TCM members
associated withthe Columbine High School shooting.

PARKER was contacted byphone on July 13, 1999 She stated

she briefly dated Eric HARRIS earlierthis year. PARKER agreed
to an interview at her home on July 14, 1999

PARKER was interviewed in her homeon July 14, 1999 She

statedshe recognized HARRIS and KLEYBOLD whentheir
pictures were shown on the news in association withthe
Columbine Shooting. She statedshe bas neverattended
Columbine High School, and that she met HARRIS at one of the
Denverarea mallsin mid January of 1998. Shecould not recall the
specific mall PARKER stated shewas shopping with a girlfriend
Ken UN UNKand HARRIS and KLEYBOLD started following
themaround. PARKER statedsheand her girlfriend went into a
female clothing store and HARRIS and KLEYBOLD followed
them inside. She stated they all began to talk and she agreed to
meet Harris AT 88TH and Wadsworth Blvd the following day.

PARKER stated sheand HARRIS began to communicate on the

phone dailyand wouldgo cruising in her Mustang. She stilted
KLEYBOLD was withHARRIS most of the time she was with
him PARKER staledtheywould just drivearoundand talk about
racingcars, and where theyworked. ShestaledHARRIS told her
they worked at Blackjack Pizza,and when she wouldgo bythere
they would give her free pizza. She statedshe also met a guy
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Chris's lastname, but heworked at the pizza store, andwas friends
with HARRIS and KLEI130LD She statedChriswas described
as wearing glasses, withbrown hair, had a medium build, and wore
armytype clothes a lot. PARKER statedthey never mentioned
weapons, drugs, or any typeof destructive activity She stated she
was really into racing her car andthat warall"!hey ever talked
about PARKER stated she andHARRIS alsowent bowling once
and to Bandemier Race track,

PARKER described HARRIS as polite, happy, nice, andvery

complementary to her She stated KLEYBOLD was quiet,and
kind of goofy looking, and he worefunny looking clothes, She
described his clothes as loose/baggy type, but never sawhim wear
a trench coat. Shestated she wentto HARRIS'S home withhim
once but shedid not go in. Shestated HARRIS went inside and
changed his clothes. Shestated his car was a blackHonda z-door
She stated she never sawanyweapons or drugs in his car
PARKER stated HARRIS hada brother named Kevin who went to
school in Boulder and they went to see him once She Slated he
usually wornjeans, tee shirts, a backward baseball cap, and a
flannel shirt, She Slated he was clean cut, and she never saw him
wear a trench coat,

PARKER described he relationship with HARRIS as friends She

stated theywere neverreally serious, he wasjust fun to be with,
PARKER statedshe and HARRIS had intimate relations on two
separate occasions. She stated shedid not remember any scars or
birthmarks on him because it was darkwhen they weretogether
She stated he was a smoker, but never saw him do anydrugs. She
was uncertain if he had a pierced ear, but Slated he never wore an
earring or anyotherjewelry that sheremembered. PARKER
statedthey weretalking in the fall of 1998 and she found out he
was only 17yearsold, Shestated she felt he was too young, and
she wasshocked, PARKER stated aftershe found out he was 17
they sort of grew apart, anddid not hang out anymore.

PARKER statedshecalled him on the phone in January or

February of 1999 to seehow he was doing. She stated heseemed
very different, and was not friendly like he was before She stated
he was quiet, but he made no mention of weapons, drugs, or any
type of destructive plan,

PARKER statedHARRIS hadhelped her with her computer when

they were together, Shestated her account was
[email protected] Shestatedhis address was something with
Reb at A 0 L or Prodigy, but shecould not remember Shestated

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 she never got hers to workand they did not communicate on the
computer,

PARKER called the Reporting Agent on July 16, 1999, and stated
she bada photo and a recorded message of HARRIS The
Reporting Agent responded to herhomeandJl,icked up the items,
A evidence tracking form was used to document the items taken.
A copyis attached to this report. The tape and photo were
reviewed withLeadInvestigator, Kate BATTEN. The photo could
not be identified as anyone related to the case. The tape was
reviewed and no information concerning weapons, drugs, or the
Columbine High School was found. The voiceon the tape did not
sound like otherknown HARRIS recordings. The tape andphoto
werereturned to PARKER by theReporting Agenl

PARKER stated shehad metBrooks BROWN last yearthrough

EricHARRIS She staled shecalled BROWN around the tirst of
July, 1999 to seehow he wasdoing, Parker statedtheywent out
together on the weekend ofJuly 18,and 19, 1999 Shestatedthey
did not discuss Columbine. HARRIS, or KLEYBOLD Shestated
BROWN did not mention anyone else involved in the shooting,
and stated shebad no infbrmation to add PARm did mention
thatBROWN had moved out of his home andwas living in an
apartment in Denver The Reporting .<\gent toldPARKER that he
had not spoke to BROWN, andreally had no questions about him,
however, someone from the Columbine TaskForceinvestigating
the shooting may havesome additional questions for her
PARm agreed to answer any additional questions investigators
hadfor her

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Agent
Colorado Bureau of Investigation

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918199

ControlNumber 4744-2

WITNESS BRENDA PARKER, DOB 2/19175, 1045 E. 91h Ave. Broomfield,

Colorado, (303) 439-7269

INTERVIEWER: Agent JERRY W. MEANS, Colorado Bureau of Investigation, 690

Kipling Street, Denver, Colorado, 80215, (303) 239-4211

Investigator DONESTEP, Jefferson CountySheriffDepartment,

200 Jefferson Parkway, Golden, Colorado, (103) 205-0922

DATEITIME OF
INTERVIEW September 7, 1999, at approximately 5. 11 p m

PLACE OF
INTERVIEW: 1045E. 91h Ave, Broomfield, Colorado

ASSIGNMENT
SYNOPSIS: Jefferson County Investigator, DonESTEPcontacted the
Reporting Agenton September 7, 1999 Investigator ESTEP
stated he badreceived information fromthe Federal Bureauof
Investigation (FBI)regarding Brenda PARKER The information
received from the FBI identified PARKER as making statements
on the Internet, connecting herselfto the Columbine shooting

Brenda PARKER wascontacted on September 7, 1999 in her

home, at the aboveaddress. PARKER slated she had been busy
working on her Internet business she operates from her home She
statedthe name of her company is !Be-10 and the address is
http://www.wppwired.comkgi-binlmivll?! PARKER stated her
emailaddress is b1llmatrix@aol com.

PARKER stated she keeps in touchwith Judy BROWN (Brooks

BROWNS mom) Shestated the last time she talked to Brooks
BROWN was approximately 2 weeks ago, when they met and
went to the movie, BlairWilCh Project She statedthey discussed
how they each weredoing, and really did IlOt talk aboutthe
Columbine shooting.

PARKER stated she spends a lot of time on the Internet, talking in

chat rooms and comments on bulletin boards, She stated she met a
girl named Catherine on the Internet approximately 2 months ago
She stated Catherine livesin Boston, and they havetalkedon the

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phone,but neveractually met PARKER stated Catherine used to
have a web site dedicated to Eric HARRIS and Dylan
KLEYBOLD The web site created by Catherinewas called "A
Memorial, Tears for Eric and Dylan" PARKER stated the web
site contained pictures ofKLEYBOLD and HARRIS, a list of their
friends, and some of their biography

PARKERSlated she does not knowCatherine's last name, but she

knows Catherine has a boyfriend namedPaul and a roommate
named Alex. PARKERstated she and Catherine have been
planningon meetingeach other, but the first trip had to be
cancelled, Parker stated Catherine is coming to Denver on October
lO, 1999, and going to staywith her, She stated Catherine wants to
see Columbine High School

The Reporting AgentaskedParker if she discusses the Columbine

shootingwith people on the Internet. She staledthat people she
meets on the Internet always want to ask her questions about
HARRIS and KLEYBOLD She statedshe tells people what kind
of people they were, and bow bad she feels about the incident, but
that is really all she bas talked about PARKERstated HARRIS
told her his theory about a "Purple Monkey", and she had
mentioned that to somepeopleon the net She statedthe purple
monkeytheory had something to do with the moon and a monkey,
but it really was just a made-up story from HARRIS

The Reporting Agent asked PARKER if she had ever told anyone
on the Internetthat she was involved in the shootingor had any
prior knowledge, PARKER stated she had never told anyone she
knew about the shooting Investigator ESTEP asked HER if she
knew who "VODKAREB" was on the Internet, and she stated that
was her Internetname She stated Catherine is known as
"BOSTENBITCH" PARKER was asked if she ever wrote
messagesto Catherine about being involved in the planningof the
snooting. She denied having any prior knowledge, and stated she
did not know anything about it until it was reported on the news

PARKER was shown a partial copy of a messageposted on the

trenchcoaticp bulletin board, The messagewas written by
VODKAREB and staled

Ok well I see that I can't trustANYONE in this club so I tookmy

pies and saying I am aulahereI

P.s, whoever copied thepies likeI said not to, I Will find out who
you are andyou betterwatch your back' OB GAWD whydidn 'I I

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just go along with the plan? I could be with them right /UJW BUr
NO 1 WAS CHICKENSHIT and now 1 have IQ be stuck here all by
myselfwith pathetic little STUPlDHEADSI Well not nt more! I
guess 1 will do what I should've done on -1-20 BoomI No more
pain!

PARKER read the Internet message and statedshe remembered

writing part of it, but statedthat someone must have addedthe last
part. She statedanyone in the club could have addedthe last part

PARKER wasgiventhe entire typed conversation between

VODKAREB and BOSTONBITCH and asked to review it She
took approximately 20 minutes to readthe conversation and then
stated shewroteit to Catherine. She stated she was describing a
dream she had to Catherine. The Reponing Agent and Investigator
ESTEP readvarious portions of the conversation to PARKER. and
told her it sounded more like a discussion between two people than
a description of a dream she had After a lengthy discussion on the
written conversations content PARKER admitted shewrote it. She
stated it was nottrue and stated shehad no prior knowledge of the
Columbine shooting incident Shestatedshe made-up all the
comments she had written to Catherine. PARKER statedshe had
no intention of causing hannto herselfor anyone else She stated
she has no life and spendsway too much time on the Internet.

PARKER continued to deny writing the threatening portion of the

Italic statement written above Shestatedshewould take a
polygraph, andcooperate with anyaddition interviews that were
needed.

TheReporting Agent and Investigator ESTEP met away from

PARKER and discussed the information obtained during the
interview. PARKER was counseled about the seriousness of
claiming to participate in the shooting, whenindeed, that did not
occur, She stated it was stupid of her to write that type of stuffand
stated it would not happen again. The Reporting Agent and
Investigator ESTEP concluded the interview and leftthe residence,

Investigator reviewed the interview with Jefferson County District

Attorney, Mark PAUTLER No further action wasassigned at this
time

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ROBERT GENE PERRY, DaB 09/12/1980, address at 7836
South Newland Street, Littleton, Colorado, telephone 303-904-
9153, was advised of the identities of the interviewing agents
and the purpose of the interview. PERRY was interviewed in the
presence of his parents, JAMES PERRY, work telephone 303-534-
4000, cellular telephone 303-904-9153, and LYDIE PERRY, work
telephone 303-744-6126. PERRY provided the follOWing
information:
PERRY dropped out of COLu~INE HIGH SCHOOL (CHS) a
couple of months ago and recently started a night jcb at SAFEWAY,
located at Ken Carl and Pierce, in Littleton.
PERRY had been interviewed by law enforcement officers
during the evening of 04/20/1999, concerning his involvement in
the TRENCH COAT MAFIA (TCM) , and his alleged associates, ERIC
HARRIS and DYLAN, PERRY could not recall what DY~~'s last name
was,
PERRY's sist;er, LYDIE, was in the cas cafeteria on
04/20/1999, when the shooting began. she escaped the incident
unharmed.
PERRY met; HARRIS and DYLAN briefly last year during the
latter part of the school year. At t;he time, bcth were beginning
to associate with members of the TCM, PERRY did not consider
them to be actual members, but bot;h were good friends of TCM
leader, CHRIS MORRIS.
PERRY did not consider either HARRIS or DYLAN to be
goed friends of his.
HARRIS was described as an angry, bitter person, Like
a lot of the other TCM members, he had been constantly picked on,
taunted, and had food thrown at him by some of the other student;s
at CHS. DYLAN, a follower of HARRIS. was a lot more easy going
and friendly.
The last t;ime PERRY had any contact with HARRIS or
DYUL~ was circa January 1999, when he said hi to them outside of
the school,

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PERRY's family had a computer, but he never
communicated with either HARRIS or DYLAN over the Internet.
PE~~Y's Internet provider was AT! Worldnet. He spent so much
time on the computer that his parents started restricting his
aCcess to it.
PERRY was the first person in the TCM who started
wearing a trench coat. Before then, their group was known as the
/<1Freaks .11' One student, unaffiliated with their group, came up
with the name TCM because of PERRY'S trench coat.
PERRY could not afford an expensive oil-skinned
Australian duster, so he wore a cheaper, all-cotton black trench
coat. PERRY was the only member of the TC}l who wore an actual
trench coat. The rest of the members were an Australian duster.
PERRY was into che "Gothic'" or "Goth" movement in Denver
and enjoyed wearing black clothes. The true "Goth" movement was
considered non-violent, whose members felt more at home and
comfortable during the night,
. The TCM initially tried to be a "Goth" group, but its
members were too aggressive and violent for the movement, Some
TCM members still liked to dress in Gothic style.
FERRY stopped associating with the TCM during the first
day of school, circa August, 1998, after MORRIS threatened him
with physical violence. MORRIS was angry that LYDIE FERRY had
insulted him over a girl and PERRY had made a point to pass the
message directly onto MORRIS. Afterwards, MORRIS had threatened
to beat-up and kill PERRY.
MORRIS was considered to be more aggressive and violent
than the ather TCM members. He constantly picked fights with
other students. PERRY considered himself to be a "pac i.f i at;" and
was afraid of guns. FERRY did not like violence of any kind and
did not own or possess any guns. PERRY stopped associating with
the TeM when they became increasingly violent, They would
constantly get into violent confrontations with other students
using baseball bats and knives as weapons.
At no time did any TCM members make any bombs or
explosive devices while PERRY associated with the group.

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ROEERT GENE PERRY, DOB 09/1Z/80 .Pigo .3 _

PERRY identified the fOllowing individuals as TCM

members:
CHRIS MORRIS (leader of the group)
TADD BOLES
ANDY THOMAS (a friend of MORRIS')
HORST (LNU) (a student at CHATFIELD HIGH SCHOOL)
JOE STAIR
BRIAN SARGENT
CHUCK (LNU) (one of the founders of the group; lived in
Golden, Colorado)
CORY FRIESEN
ERIC JAClCBON
JOSH (LNU) (a friend of SA.'WENT's)
PERRY and STAIR had talked casually in the past about
"Type A" napalm. Neither of them really wanted to make any of
it.
LYDIE PERRY was friends with a lot of the TOM's
girlfriends, but was not considered to be a member herself.
LYDIE attempted on many occasions to talk her girlfriends out of
associating with them. LYDIE was good friends with MORRIS'
girlfriend and oould identify a lot of other TCM members.
PERRY was shown a CHS class photo taken in Maroh 1999,
and identified MORRIS as the individual wearing sunglasses and a
black beret in the middle, back row of students. PERRY could not
identify any of the other students in the photograph.

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 04126/99
(Reference Rapid Start LCNIt 54 & 1123)

On April 26,1999, ROBERT GENE PERRY, DOB 0911211980, was contacted at

his home, address 7836 So Newland Street, Littleton, Colorado 80128, 303~904~9153. ROBERT
PERRY, was advised the identity of the interviewing investigator's. ROBERT PERRY was
advisedthe purposeof the interviewand provided the following Informanon:

ROBERT PERRY advised he has recently obtained a job working a graveyard shift
at Safewayon Ken Caryland South Pierce. So as not to interrupt his sleep patterns he stayed
awake from 04/1911999, to 0412011999. ROBERT PERRY stated between 8 am and II am he
was talking to his Grandmother, who resides at their home. He stated at II am he went to his
bedroom in the basementand went to sleep, at 1140am he was awaken by his motherstomping
on the kitchen floor which is directly above his room. he wentupstairs and his mother told him
what she had heard over the news about the COLUMBINE maH SCHOOL (CHS) shootingthat
was taking place. ROBERTPERRY returned to his room gotdressed and prepared to go the CHS
to checkon the welfare of his younger sister, LYDIE PERRY, DOB 11/28/81.

ROBERT PERRYadvised When he gOI dressedhe discussedLYDIE's class

schedule with his mother and determinedLYDIE was mostlikely in the lunchroom. At
approximately 12 noon he began to walk to CHS looking for LYDIE, at approximately 1215 p.rn.
he met up with his dad who had left workand was driving a possible route L¥DIE may have
taken. ROBERT PERRYand his father (UM PERRY) returned to their home. ROBERT PERRY
advised they receive a telephone call from PAULINE COLBY who stated she has not gone to
school today due to a illness and had received a call from anotherindividual that staled L¥DIE
was at the COLUMBINE PUBLIC LIBRARY) (CPL,) ROBERT PERRY and his father were
leaving to pick up L¥DIE when KRISTINE TIfEIBAULT, arrived at their home. after a brief
discussion with her, ROBERTPERRY and his fatherwentto the CPL and pickedup L¥DIE and
JENNlFER COLBY. then they returned to their home. ROBERTPERRYadvised after they
returned home with LYDIE the entire family left to do someshopping then went OUI to dinner and
were together for the rest of the night.

ROBERT PERRY was asked to describethe trench coats that were worn by the
members of the Trench coat Mafia. He provided his blackovercoat and explainedthe others had

04/26/1999 Littleton, Colorado

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INVESTIGATOR GARY CLYMAN & INVESTIGATOR DONA~ ESTEP DNJTTF-DT

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174A-DN 57419
ROBERT GENE PERRY OOB 09/12/1980 04/26/1999
purchased the western duster style coat. He advised the following list of members all had the 2
duster type coats:

CHRlS MORRIS
TAD BOLES
DYLAN
ERIC HARRIS
JOE STAIR
CHUCK or CHARLES
HORST

ROBERT PERRY advised last year ZACK HELTON, a student at CHS locatedthe
student locker combinenons on the computer, he loaded the combinanoas onto a disk and bragged
to !lim aboutthe discovery. ROBERT PERRY was certain HELTON had told CHRlS MORRIS
aboutthe locker combinations.

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 lIC/HSP510.CAR/V1S
,.CODMVOOOO.C00300001.TXT ATTN: CAR V1S
jljERY ON:LIC/H1I4096
*** ccrc INFO HIW BE USED FOR CR!MINAL JUSTICE PURPOSES ONL'I '<*'.
***
ONLY COLORADO DMV FILES WERE SEARCI-lED - COLORADO PIN ." OLN ***
***
CONFIRM W1T~1 COLIC"Ooo BEFORE T"I<.HIO EI,For,CEMENT ACTION ***
~olct.<"",
V~ 'v>.. \
1."{.\, 'l"t STATE OF COLORADO
COLORADO VEfIICLE REGISTRATION

'Nt. "ERRY JAMES R DATE: 04/21/1999

·NER~_ PERRY i.vo IE J fI11E: Ol:23:03
INER3:
aVER:
'DRESS: 7836 S NEWLAND 5T LITTLETON CO 80123
CENSE; 1-1114096 MAKE: PLY VIN, 1P4G~.4-,R4P)(632974
DENSE STATE; CO STYLE: sw TITLE: HB29H67
PIRATION, 10/1999 YEAR, 1993 TAl.'!; 11P449722
,SURED STATUS' INSURED PASSENGER - REGULAR DESIGNER
'UNTY CODE: 11 VALID EMISSIONS TEST REQUIRED
·ssage sent 4/21,199 1:.:23

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 LIC/~iBP510.CARiV1S
:.CODMVOuOO.CO,X'.)Cl001. TXT 'HTN: CAR ViS
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'.''* cere IHFO MeW SE US EO FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE PURPOSES ONLY ***
*** ONLY COLORADO OMV FILES 'tlERE SEARCHED ,. COLORADO PHI" QUI ***
.",,* CONFIRi1 WITH COLICOOOO 8EFORE TAKING ENFORCEMENT ACTION ***
~o\oe, .. -t 7.:.-..- r\ STATE OF COLORADO
COLORADO VEHICLE REGISTRATION
v~'k "L
NER, PERRY LYOIE J DATE: 04/21/1999
I,ER2: PERRY JAMES R TIME: 01:23:17
INER3::
,rVER:
IDRESS: 7836 S NEWLAND ST LITTLETON CO 80128
DENSE: ~mp510 MAKE: TO)' 'lIN: JT2EL43AXN013750S
GENSE STATE: co STYLE: 40 TITLE: l1R201359
PIRATION: 02/2000 YEAR: 1992 T'lEl: 111..112964
rSUF,EO STATUS: UNKNOWN PASSE1"1GER - REGULAR DESIGNER
IUNTY CODE: 1l. VALID EMISSIONS TEST REOUIRED
':5' re s.errt 4/2.1/99 l::24

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 NAM/PERrll' , R08ERT o • DOE'i091280. CAr,/Y IS
.CODMVOOOO.C00300001.TXT ATTN: CAR VIS
QUERY ON:NAM/PERRY,R08ERT G D08/19800912
"'** cere INFO MAY 8E USED FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE PURPOSES ONLY *,"*
*** ONLY COLORADO OMV FILES WERE SEARCHED - COLORADO PIN ~ OlN ***
*** CONFIRM WITH COOLNOOOO BEFORE TAKING ENFORCEMENT ACT TON .**
STATE OF COLORADO
COLORADO DRIVER RECORD

]"" ". GENE PEHRY DATE: 04/21/1.999

5, ',EO/LAND ST TIME: 01:34:39
qL~,ON CO 80128 INSURED STATUS:

LAS::
.ORADO PIN: 99-089'-0892 SSN: $23-3,;,,-6056 COL CLASS:
;ENSE NUMBER: 990890892 LICENSE TYPE: PROVISIONAL IDENTIFI
[GHT: 6 05 vIEIOI-IT: 130 ISSUE DATE: 19990330
'R: BROWN EYES, BROWN EXPIRATIOi'l: 20010912
101'1 : N SEX: MALE BIRTH DATE: 19800912
JORSEMENTS:: NONE
iTRICTIONS:
:VIOUS STATE AND LICENSE:
,UlAR LICENSE STATUS: MAY APPLY FOR COLORADO LICENSE
1MERCIAL LICENSE STATUS: MAY APPLY FOR COLORADO LICENSE
,sage sent 4/21/99 1: 34

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 NAM/PERfiY J _D08/ 123055 _Cf'1RlV18
n

.CODMVOOO'J.C0030000L TXT elTTN, CAR Vl",

QUERY ON,NAM/PEF,RY,J D08/19551230
***
CCle INFO MAY BE USED FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE PURPOSES ONLY ***
'** ONU COLORADO DIW FILES WEPE SEAROHED _. COLORADO PIN" OlN ***
*** CONFIRM WITH COOLNOOOO 6E:FORE TAKING ENFORCEMENT ACTION U*
STATE OF COLORADO
COLORADC DRIVER RECORD

ML PERRY DATE' 04/21/1999

36 NEWLAND ST
~~ TIME' 01, 21,11
TTLETOM CO 80128 INSURED STATuS; INSURED

lAS::
_ORADO PIN' 92-HlO-1384 SSN, 523-88-5520 CDL CLASS,
:ENSE NUMBER; 921801384 LICENSE TYPE; ADULT REGULAR lICENS
toNT, 5 09 WEIGHT: .L8S ISSUE DATE' 19981.22B
fR, BROWN EYES' BROWN EXPIRATION' 20031230
lOR, Y SE,>t, MALE BIRTH DATE; 19551230
JORSEMENTS: NONE
HRICTIONS, CORRECTIVE LENSES -
"VIOLS STATE AND lICENSE,
"ULAR LICENSE STATUS; VAL ID
1HERCIAL LICENSE STATUS, NOT APPLICABLE
,sage sent 4/21/99 1,21

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CODMVOOOO .000300'0')1. TXT ATTN: CAR Vl<.
QUERY ON:NAH/PERRV,L 008/19570418
**"
CCle H,FO MAY 8E USED FOR CRIMINAL JUSTlCE PURPOSES OI"LY ,,**
*u ONLY COLORADO DMV FILES WERE SEARCHED ,. COLORADO PIN" OLN *"'*
*** CONFIRM WITH COOLNOOOO BEFORE TAKING ENFORCEMENT "'CTION '"**
STATE OF COLORADO
COLORADO DRIVER RECORD

)_ ANN r NE PERRY DATE' 04/21/1999

',6 ~uclTH NEWLAND ST TIME: 01,25,24
'1 LETON CO 80123 INSURED STATUS' INSURED

AS:
,ORADO PIN, 95-119-0512 SSN: 000-00--0000 COL CLASS:
ENSE NUMBER: 951190512 LICENSE TYPE: ADULT REGULAR LIGENS
GMT: 5 11 WEIGHT: 150 ISSUE DATE' 19950429
R: BROWN EYES: BROWN EXPIRATION: 20000418
jOR: Y SEX' FEMALE BIRTH DATE: 19570418
,ORSEMENTS, NOI-.lE
:TRIcnONS:
VIOUS STATE AND LICENSE'
,ULAR LICENSE STATUS: VALID
lMERCIAL LICENSE STATUS, NOT APPLICA8LE
,sage sent 4/21/99 l:25

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• PERRY. LYDIE (mother) ,

JC, 001·010863
 · ! .

FEDERAL BUREAU OF l'IVESTIGATrON

05(05(99
LYDIE JEANINE PERRY, born 04(18($7, residence at 7836
South Newland Street, Littleton, Colorado, was advised of the
identity of the interviewing agent and the purpose of the
interview. PERRY was interviewed at her residence and provided
the following information:
PERRY went to bed on 04(19/99, at approximately 2:00 am
to 3:00 am that evening. PERRTs son, ROBERT PERRY, was in his
bedroom as she went to bed. ROBERT's bedroom was located in the
basement of their house.
PERRY got up tne next morning, on 04/20/99, at
approximately 11:30 am. PERRY recalled hearing ROBERT and his
grandmother talking downstairs before she gOt out of bed. at
approximately 10:00 am. By the time she got out of bed and went
downstairs in the family room to watch television with her
mother, ROBERT had gone downstairs to his room to go to bed.
ROBERT worked the night shift at the local SAFEWAY and
slept during the day.
At approximately 11:45 am on 04/20/99, PERRY began
seeing che news repOrtS of the COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL (CRS)
shoocing. She immediately yelled at ROBERT to get cut of bed and
he came-up from his rocm dressed only in a blanket.
PERRY was concerned about che shooting because her
daughter, LYDIE PERRY, attended eRS.
They then called PERRY's husband, JIM PERRY, ac work
and advised him of the shooting.
ROBERT then got dressed and wearing his black trench
coat departed their residence to go check on his sister.
As he traveled home, JIM ran into ROBERT before he
reached CHS and drove him back to their house.
As they arrived at the house, PERRY was on the phone
with a freind of LYDIE's, who was among the students being

tnvestigauon (to 05/05/99

.·il<l 174A-DN-57419 Date dictated 05/05/99

~ SA Mark Holstlaw/man
JC·001.010864
This document comams neither recommendations ncr conclusrons of lhe FlU it <S tM proyeny of the FlU and l$ loaned to your il,¥c<",,}.
It.and its contents ilf1;: mn to be uutnbured outsH.1i: JOUr agency
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gathered at the COLUMBINE LIBRARY (CLl, who advised that LYDIE

was with her and was O.K.
JIM and ROBERT then drove to CL and picked-up LYDIE and
returned home.
JIM advised he and LYDIE talked with ROEERT at 1:15 am
on 04/20/99, before taking her to school that morning. At 11:45
am, his wife called him at work to advise him of the CHS
shooting. JIM left work at 12:00 pm and started driving home.
Enroute, he ran into ROBERT walking towards the school and picked
him up and continued home, arriving at about 12:25 pm. When they
arrived at home, PERRY was on the telephone with a friend of
LYDIE's, who advised she was at the CL waiting to be picked-up.
JIM and ROBERT then departed their residence and reunited with
LYDIE at approximately 12:30 pm to 12:45 pm. The three
eventually arrived back at their residence at about 1:00 pm. The
entire family then drove to HOBBY LOBBY at approximately 2:00 pm
and afterwards, went out to eat.

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JC- 001-010866
PROGRESS REPORT
CASE # 99-16215
CASE TYPE: Assist to Jefferson County
DATE TYPED: 04120/99
Investigator KevinHeaton

On 04/20/99 at approximately 1900 hrs.. this Investigator was asked to interview a subject
at the Arapahoe County Sheriffs Office, identified as beinga member of the Trench Coat
Mafia. The subjectwas identified as'

PHILLIPS, CHARLES
DOB- 05111179
II 771 W Asbury Place
Lakewood, CO 80228
(3OJ) 988-8235

PHILLIPS advised that he received a call from his mother at approximately 1100 hrs
PHILLIPS stated that his grandmother lived in the area of Columbine High School and
went to check on her at approximately 1300 hrs PHILLIPS thenwent to a friends
residence at approximately 1330 hrs.. identified as.

FRIESEN, CORY

PHILLIPS said he watched the news and knew the suspects had to be.

ERIC "Reb"

And

DYLAl\!

When asked how he knew this, PHILLIPS said the news identified the suspects as being in
the TrenchCoat Mafia. ERIC and DYLAN werethe only subjects' part of the group they
could not locate. ERIC and DYLAN .iso attend Columbine High School.

PHILLIPSthen provided names of additional members

FRIESEN, CORY

MORRIS, CHRIS

NICOLE

ERIC
And

DYLAN

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PROGRESS REPORT
CASE # 99-16215

When asked what their group stood for, PHILLIPS said they are not into sports, listen to
different type of music, and enjoy video games

This Investigator then asked why they were considered outsiders, PHILLIPS said they
didn't fit into any specific group

This Investigator then asked if the group promoted violence, guns or explosives.
pHILLIPS said they did not. and he had never seenany member in possession of any
weapons

PHILLIPS then stated that he graduated from Columbine High School in 1997 and
doesn't associate withthe group as much. He last saw ERIC and DYLAN a month ago,
when they went bowling.

This Investigatorthen asked if there had been any recent conflicts. or if the suspects had
talked about committing these crimes PHILLIPS said there had not been any recent
conflicts, nor did anyone talk about committing these crimes as far as he knows
PHILLIPS said ERIC and DYLAN did get picked on a lot however

This Investigator then asked if anyone else in the group had provided any information.
PHILIPS said NICOLE briefly mentioned incident, statingthat she saw two peoplecome
into the SChool with guns, but did not identify the suspects.

When asked if this could be sexually motivated, due to reports from the media that the
suspects were homosexual, PHILLIPS said he believes them to be heterosexual

This Investigator then asked how they came up with the name "Trench Coat Mafia"
PHILLIPS said they all wore the trench coats and a student asked them, "Do you think
you're the Trench Coat Mafia?" They then adopted the name

ThisInvestigator asked if ERIC or DYLAJ'l ever talkedabout bombs in the past.

PHILLIPS said last summer they mentioned dry ice bombs and pipebombs, but he never
saw any

PHILLIPS also stated that they are into German Techno music, and saw a concert
together. a couple years ago

This Investigator asked if there was any significance to today's date PHILLIPS said he
heard it was Hitler's Birthday.

This Investigator askedPHILLIPS if they practiced Nazi or German beliefs. PHILLIPS

said; "No,';

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CASE # 99-16215
PHll..LIPS finally stated that the group is into computers. PHll..LJPS said he has two
internetaddresses:

DES_ENGAL @ AOL.COM (<hlrman for This Angel)

PUTERFNORD @ AOL.COM

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 ARAPAHOE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE
5686 S. Court Place
Littleton, Colorado 80120-1200

FAX TRANSMITTAL SHEET

To: J"efu:<'"sot'\ Cwofr Sher'ffs offi\,e.. Date; tll(2093

Dmd'",: Ac.ie<''I''lO fA'f :WFl,71·t5'2' Time: _".'5"""'1"""<-- _
From: .r"ve$t.~..t;(' Mit Pl thJ'!}iYJ 2",,79'£- 0/7~ f
FRQM' FAA (303) Phone (303)
734-5144 Sheriff's Administration, , 734-5101
734-5l8a Patrol., ". "" .. ",. '" "" , 797-4422
734-5166 Head~~arters - Second Floor 795-470a
795-7684 Records Center""."."., ,.". 795-4780
795-4919 Communications Center .. , , " . " . , 795-4711

795-5864 SIS Investigations .. " " " " " " " " 795·4735
708-3491 Detention Administration. ' " , 708-3407
708-3590 Justice Center Booking., 708-3532
708-3433 Training 708-3430
795-4949 Littleton Detention .. , ........•.. ,., 795-4933
795-4754 Environmental Crimes" ", ., 795-4758
822-5308 Byers Substation .. "" (303) 822-9244
671-8925 District 5 Substation 671-S908

Total number of pages /1''2- ,including this page.

Remarks:
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P898_1__ of 3 ease No. _
Denver Po/il;ll Department

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STATEMENT
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I have read the foregoing stllitement and the facts """rained therein are true to the best of my Knowledge and belief. I
do not maintain that It contains all of the facts or details of the incident, but only those facts about which I have been
asked.

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STATEMENT
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I have red the fortJgOillg statement and the /'8ct:$ contained therein are true to the bat of my knowledge and beiiefc J
do not mIIinrllin that ;r conUlins all of the facts or details of the incident:. but only those lSCllS ebout which J have been
askt!d.

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SUPPLEMENT X JCSO GALLEGOS 99·7625-U
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WITNESS,

CHARLES PHILLIPS JR.

(3li3) 988-823.5

INVESTIGATION:

On may 17, 18 and 19, 1999. I left messages for Charles Phillips Jr. to call me back in reference to the shooting at Columbine

High school. On May 20.1999,1 was finally able to talk briefly to Charles Phillips Jr.. I asked him ifhe had any knowledge
or association to any membersor formermembers of the Trench Coat Mafia. Phillips said that he had already been interviewed
by Denver Police Detective Jeff Ruetz. phone number 0003-640-1155. Phillipssaid that he was busy and did not have time
to be reinterviewed at that lime.

I was unable to obtain any additional information from Charles Philips Jr., please refer to the interview conducted by Det. Jeff
Ruetz for any additional information.

D1SOPSITlON:

Open.

Unil Number Sllpel'\lisof InitiBls and. DaUl Ass.igned To Page

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PHILLIPS II, CHARLES 0 .. DOB/05-17-79

871 South Arbutus Street
Lakewood, CO 80228
(:\03) 985-9032
Work: 7-Eleven
9200 West Alameda Avenue
Lakewood. CO 80228
Pager: (303) 203-6206

INVESTIGAnON:
11-03-99, I had an opportunity to speak with Chuck Phillips and clarify some information that he had provided in :
interview with Investigator Kevin Heaton of the Arapahoe County Sheriff's Department on 04-20-99, I asked Chuck if he
could provide me with additional information in reference to his whereabouts on 04-19-99 and 04-20-99. Chuck
explained that on 04-19-99 that he was working at Video City and his shift ended between 10:15 and 10:45 p.m. After
leaving Video City, Chuck told me that he went home and at the time, he was Jiving at 11771 West Asbury Place in
Lakewood, Colorado. Chuck told me that he remained at this home for the rest of the evening and on 04-29-99, between
the hours of I J :30 a.m, and 12:00 p.m., he received a phone call at his residence. Chuck was awoken by his mother and
told about the shooting incident at Columbine High School. After Chuck spoke with his mom, he explained that he called
his father at about 12:15 p.m, After he ended his conversation with his father, he then went to his grandmother's
residence at about 1:00 p.m, Chuck told me that his grandmother lives in the area of Columbine High School, telling me
that her address is 6885 West Rowland Avenue and his grandmother's name is Charlotte Phillips. Chuck remained at his
grandmother!Js house for about thirty minutes and at about i:30 p.m., he went to Corey Friesen's home, where he
remained and continued to Walch news media reports reference the shootings at the high school. Chuck was asked who
else was at Corey Friesen's residence. He told me that his mend, Chris Moms was there and there were several neighbors
of Corey Friesen. I asked Chuck if he was present then when the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office responded to the
-sen residence and picked up Chris Morris. Chuck told me that he was present when that occurred.

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I confirmed that Chuck graduated from Columbine High School in 1997 and I asked him to tell me what his relationship
was with Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. Chuck explained that his senior year. both Eric and Dylan were sophomores.
He knew both of them from school and he later workedwith the two of them at Black Jack Pizza. Chuck explainedthat
he bad a Theater Productions class with Dylan and thalls when he first came to know both Dylan and Eric. I asked Chuck
to describe Eric Hams and Dylan Klebold for me. He told me that they were just ordinary kids and he had no idea that
they were capableof going into the high school and committing the shootings. Chuck Was asked when he last saw Eric
and Dylan. He told me that It was a month prior to the shooting, March 1999, and they had gone bowling at Belleview
Lanes, located at South Federal and Belleview Avenue. Chuckwas asked If he noticedany problems associatedwith Eric
or Dylan and if they talked about any potential shooting at tbe high school. Chuck stated that he did not see anything out
of the ordinary which wouldlead him to believethat the shooting was goingto occur. I asked Chuck if Eric or Dylanever
talked about the Anarchist Cookbookand potential ways to make pipe bombs and Napalm. Chuck told me that is aware
f the Anarchist Cookbook. He luis seen it on the Internet before, but doesn't recall Eric or Dylan ever talking about to-
COOkbook. I asked Chuck if he bad ever experimented with the making of pipe bombs or Napalm. He told me that he h".
never experimented in making any of those devices. Chuck was asked if Eric of Dylan ever spoke about any type of
weaponsor if he badany knowledge or if he participated in any weapons training or shooting with Eric or Dylan. Chuck
told me that be bad never seen Eric or Dylan with any weapons and he had never participated in any shooting. Chuck
explained that he is not an advocateof being a gun owner and explained the only weapon that he has ever shot was a BB
gun.

Prior to concluding this interview., I asked Chuck if he bad any additional information to pass on referenceEric Harrisor
Dylan. He told me that he has no further information.

ADDITIONAL INFORl\1ATION , F.B.I.CASE NUMBER 4·DN-57419.

DISPOSITION; Case open, pendingfurther investigation

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I have read the foregoing staremenr and the facts corw,ined therein are true to the best of my knowledge and belief. I
do not maintain that it contains all of the facts or details of the incident. but only those facts about which I have been
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Rusch, Jessica Ann. dobl02·12·83 Student at Columbine High School
WIF 5'04" 130 BLN/BLU
5888 West Fair Drive
Littleton, Colorado 80123
(303)730.2868

Rusch, Gary A., dobI07·15-57 WIM

same address as above
Work; 13426 West Center Drive
Lakewood. Cciorado 80228
(303)986-4371

Rusch. Cindy A•• dobl05-21l-57 WIF

same adcress as above
.ork; same as above

Deputy Steve Luciano

lCSO l (303)271-5665

INY£STIGATION
On04-21·99, between thehours of 0004 and003.5, DeputySteve Luciano and myselfconducted an interview with Jesstca Ru.scn
at her residence located 5888 West FairDrive. Littleton, Colorado, in reference to the Columbine High School incident. JCSO
had obtained information from Jessica's boyfriend. Patrick McDuWee, doblOS·30·SI, thatshe identified one of the gunmen at
the Columbine HighSchool as beingan individual known as _ _

Jessie. Rusch provided us with the following information concerning the incident at Columbine High School and what she
observed the day of 04--20-99. Jessica statedshe Was in the Science room for5th period, and tbat the Science room is located
onthe second level of Columbine High School. Sth period starts at 11:15 a.m., and endsat 12:05 p.m.. Jessicastatedshortly
afterclassbad started, she hearda loud explosion in theschool, and initially thought it wassome type of a Seniorprank. Shortly
afterthe loudexplosion, shehearda seriesof gunfire, accompanied by a lot of screaming and yellingfrom other students from
'hin the school, After determining that there was a problem at theschool. the students locked the Science roomdoorfrom the

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inside. Jessica Staled sne was huddled with her lhend, JenniferSmail, and alone pomt they observed an individual at the door
to the Science room. and this party was carrying a large weapon.

I asked Jessica to give me the details about the subject she observed near the Scienceroom who was carrying the weapon. She
SlllIed the individual was abouI6'OO" tail. skinny. and she describedhis mannerof dress being in all black. telling me that the
pony hada blackbaseball cap on thatwas on backwards. Shesaidhe had a blackface mask. blackjeans. and a black trenchcoal
Jessicasaid underthe baseball cap. she could see the individual'shair.anddescribed it as being brown in color. curly. and about
collar length. She statedshe did not know the age of the individual. 1askedJessica if she could identify that personand tell me
the individual' 5 name, She told me she could nOI. bot she had a conversation with her boyfriend, Patrick McDuffee. after the
incident. She described the individual that she saw at the Science room door, and they came to the conclusionthai it w a s .
_because McDuffee knew he was associated with [he gang knownas the Trench Coat Mafia.

askedJessica if she could tell me how many times she has either seen or spoken w i t h ' " She said she has seen him
around school probably three or four times. and that it would have been last year. I again asked Jessica how she came to the
conclusion that the individual she saw at the Science room door was _ She stated her boyfriend, McDuffee. is
associateswith members of the Trench Coat Malia. I asked her howdose of an association her boyfriend has with this group.
She Slated she doesn't know. but he knew Ot knows quite a few of the members of the group. She then reiterated that after she
described the gunmanshe observed in Columbine High School that it was Patrick McDuffee that said it sounded like~• • •"
_from the description thai she gave.

Jessicastated the individual she observedin all black, who wascarryingthe long gun, was unable to get into the Science room.
and walkedaway from the door. Jessica staled after the pony with the gun disappeared from the window, that a teacher known
as Mr. Sanders enteredinto the classroom from an adjoining classroom. andthat he had been shot in the hack area. Jessicastaled
students then renderedaid to Mr. Sanders. Jessica told me that they remained locked in the Science room anywhere from three
to four hours before they were removed by SWAT Teams.

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After Jessica provided her initial statement. I then asked her to try and give me a description of the long gun that 'he saw the
suspect carrying. She stated she could not tell me what the gun, as far as the brand or caliber was. she just knew it was a long
gun. Jessica did say that her friend, Jennifer Small, told her it was a sawed off shotgun.

Jessica was asked if she knew of any other individuals who belong to the Trench Coat Mafia other than the suspects that were
initially at the school. She stated the only other person she knows involved in this group is a Joe Stair. and she relayed the
information that afier she was taken from Columbine High School, that she remembers seeing Stair north of the school near
Clement Park at the soccer fields, and that Stair was talking with a law enforcementofficer. She described Stair as being in a
Columbine Rebels gym shirt and biue jeans. and she described his longblondish hair. Jessica said 'he saw him as she was bemg
taken to Leawood Elementary. I again asked Jessica if she knew what her boyfriend, McDuffee·s. relationship was with the
•
Trench Coat Mafia. Again. she told me he knows several members of the group, but she did not know the relationship. and as
-,< as she knows he is not a member of the group.

At the conclusion of our interviewwith Jessica, I providedher witha business card and asked that she contact me if she has any
additional iuformation to provide.

DlsrosmQN: Open. pending further investigation.

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Date: of ttanseripfic n 4/23/99

Brian Benjinmin Sergeant, date of birth May 27, 1980,
place of birth, Mandan, North Dakota, Social Security Account
Number 502-94-4944, Colorado Drivers License 96-102-0843, of 7496
South Pierce Court, Littleton, Colorado, 80128, home telephone
number (303) 979-4225, was interviewed. After being advised of
the nature of the interview and the identities of the
interviewing agents, he provided the following information:
Frank Vanachek, Special Agent, Colorado Bureau of
Investigation t was present during the interview.
Sergeant is a junior at Columbine High School (CHS) ,
located in Littleton, Colorado.
Sergeant was shown a photograph from the Denver Post,
dated April 22, 1999. Sergeant advised that the photograph was
taken in mid-June, 1998, at the residence of Kirsten Thiebault.
Sergeant identified the following individuals in the
photograph, commonly ~,own at CHS as the Trench Coat Mafia. The
term TCM was given to the group as a derogtatory nickname. Chris
Marris purchase a black trench coat twa years ago and the rest of
the group began wearing them to school. Sergeant bought his
black trench coat from Morris but hasrrt worn it recently.
(Orginial photograph will be placed in a 1-A envelope and a copy
is attached to the FD-302l :
1. Josh Barnes
Sergeant has known Barnes for approximately e to 9
years and contacted Barnes 6 months ago. Barnes graduated from
Hertiage High School in 1998.
2. Joe Stair
Sergeant has known Stair for apprOXimately 3 years,
having contacted Stair approximately 2 months ago. Stair
graduated from CHS in 1998 and is working at the Arby's in
Southwest Plaza Mall. Amanda Stair, sister of Joe Stair, attends
CHS.

4/23/99

by SA William J. Petoskey
JC- 001-010883
This ~ment -contai.ns neither reeomm,ndation$ JiOr l:o~!u,ilJns of d;l; FBr It is m~ property of the FBl and is !CJ;f1ttu IU l".... "lIl;~"~, ,
it &nd its -C'Ql'ltel1t1 an: OOt to be distributed outs4!,youragency
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3. Chris Morris
Sergeant has known Morris for approximately 4
years . . Morris contacted Sergeant on April 23, 1999 regarding the
shooting at CHS. Morris is a senior at CHS and likes Duarcraft,
which is a role playing game like Dungeons and Dragons.
4. Pauline Colby
Sergeant has known Colby for approximately 1 year,
but hasn't been in contact with Sergeant since July, 1998. Colby
is a junior at CHS and hasn't spent much time with the group
photographed in the picture during the 1998-1999 school year.
S. Nicole Markhim
Sergeant has known Markhim for approximately 3
years. Markhim is a junior at CHS and is dating Morris.
6. Horst Last Name Unknown (LNUJ

Sergeant met Horst LNU 8 or 9 months ago and was in

contact with Horst LNU 4 Or S months ago .. Horst LNU is a friend
of Barnes. Horst LNU is a senior or has graduated from Hertiage
High School.
7. Chuck LNU

Sergeant has known Chuck LNU for 1 1(2 years and

contacted Chuck LNU on April 22, 1999, at the Arapahoe County
Sheriff's Office while giving statements. Chuck LNU graduated
from eRS in 1996 and is a friend of Morris.
8. Kirsten Thiebault
Sergeant has known Thiebault for 2 years and
Thiebault Js a junioJ: at CHS.
9. Erin Adams

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Sergeant has known Adams for approximately 2 years

and Adams is a junior at CHS.
10. Kirsta Hanley
Sergeant has known Hanley for approximately 1 1/2
years and Hanley is a junior at CHS. Hanley is a friend of
Markhim and is dating Eric Jackson, a senior at cas.
Sergeant advised that the following individuals
associate with the TCM:
Nate Dykeman
Dykeman is a good friend of Chris Morris and a
senior at CHS. Dykeman usually ate lunch with Eric Harris and
Dylan Klebold. Dykeman, Harris and Klebold all wore black trench
coats in in September, 1998. Dykeman drives a white Ford truck
with a 4" lift kit.
Eric Jackson
Jackson is a good friend of Morris and drives a
white chevrolet Blazer with a blue trim.
Nicole Dickey
Dickey is a freshman at CHS, transferring from
Colorado Finest, an alternative high schOOl.
Thaddeus Boles
Boles is a good friend of Morris and works at Echo
Star Communications. Boles dropped out of CHS in the fall, 1998
and is working on his Graduate Equalivancy Degree (GED). Boles
has a home telephone number of (303) 973-9159.
During the 1997-1998 school year, Sergeant did not like
athletes due to the athletes making fun of him and his
associates.

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4

During the summer, 1998, Sergeant only saw friends that

were in the photograph on a limited basis due to scheduling
conflicts,
In the fall, 1998, Sergeant did not talk to Eric Harris
or Dylan Klebold, only to greet each other while passing in the
hall. Sergeant made friends with some athletes at CHS and did
not have the anmonisity against the athletes like Harris and
Klebold. Dykeman was seen during the school day spending alot of
time with Harris and Klebold, wearing a black trench coat.
Sergeant had a video productions class with Dykeman in the fall,
1998 and a bowling class with Dykeman in the spring, 1998,
On Monday, April 19, 1999, Sergeant observes Dykeman,
Harris and Klebold leave the commons area of CHS at apprxoirnately
11,10 AM. CHS has an open campus sO students can leave campus
and have lunch, Sergeant left campus and had lunch with Dickey,
Kirsta Winer, John Paul Zerger and Frank zerger. Sergeant
returned to campus at apprxoimately 12:35 PM because he has no
5th hour class. Upon returning to CHS, Sergeant picked up Dickey
and drove her to her residence. Sergeant then drove to his
residence and spent the afternoon at home, due to an illness.
Dickey called Sergeant that evening to discuss personal matters.
On Tuesday, April 20, 1999, at 6:30 AM, Sergeant picked
up Dickey and drove to John Paul Zerger and Frank Zerger's
residence, arriving at approximately 7:10 AM. Sergeant, Dickey
and the Zerger's drove to CHS, arriving at approximately 7:30 AM.
Sergeant did not recall seeing Harris's red Honda Civic or
Klebold's black Volkswagen.
Sergeant was in the ACE Reom, an alternative English
class from 7:40 AM to 8:20 AM, and then went to a drawing class
until 9:20 AM,
At approximately 9:25 AM, Sergeant walked to the math
room and talked to Dickey and Zerger. At 9:30 AM to 10:15 AM,
Sergeant was in Relationships and Family class, After class,
Sergeant went near the choir room with Dickey. At 10:20 AM,
Sergeant went to his Government/Economics class to study for a
test until 11:10 AM.

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Sergeant and Frank Zerger left the school building and
drove to the north side of the school to pick-up Dickey. The
group were going to Burger K~ng for lunch. After lunch, Sergeant
drove to the Cooper ? theatre, across Clement Park from the
school to smoke a cigarette. A short time later, Sergeant heard
sirens and Dickey received a numeric message on her pager.
Dickey called home and was advised by her mother of a shooting at
CHS.
Sergeant, Dickey and Zerger drove in the direction of
the scheol. Three friends of Dickey were walking down the
sidewalk and advised sergeant of the shooting at CHS. Dickey
asked about Sara LNU, a friend. Sergeant, Dickey and Zerger
drove to Sara uVU's residence and talked to Sara LmYs mother.
Dickey then received a numeric message on her pager from Nick
LNU.
Sergeant and the group went to Frank LNU's residence,
where Sergeant met Kirsta LNU's ex-boyfriend. While at Frank
~~s residence, Dickey got into Frank LNU's car and Sergeant
following Frank LNU and Dickey to Boles's work place. sergeant
went to his home late Tuesday afternoon.
At apprxomately 7:00 PM, Tuesday evening, Sergeant went
to the Arapaho COlli~ty Police Substation to give a statement.
While at the substation. Sergeant recognized Chuck LNU, Corey
Freisen, Markman, Morris and Sheri Markman.
Sergeant does not recall Harris or Kelbold speaking
German exoept for German lyrics from the music group, Ramstien.
Sergeant does not recall Harris or Klebold having
knowledge of explosives or bombs. sergeant is familiar with the
Anarchist Cookbook, a book containing recipes for explosives and
scams.
Sergeant did not communicate with Harris or Klebold
through the internet. He did receive an occasional message from
Morris and knew Morris had a web page.
Sergeant advised that Robyn LNU, a close friend of
Harris and Klebold, may have additional knowledge. Robyn LNU is
a senior at CHS.

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STATllHSN'I'

NAME (LAST,FIRST,MIDDLE INITIAL) MAKING STATEMENT IS

Rogers, Nick: X Officer Witness
Person adviSed
RESIDENCE STREET ADDRESS c:~ COtTNTy STATE Z!:? COD!
2100 S. Clay St. Denver Denver CO 80123
RESIDENCE PHONE BUS INESS PRONE SOCIAL SECJRITY NO.
937-4612 9374612

DATE OF BIRTH/SERIAL NO.

86-0:17

BUSINESS STREET ADDRESS COt"NTY STATE ZIP CODE

Same

OFFICER TAKING STATEMENT SER::AL NtlMBER DATE

Columbine High Schoel

LOCATION WHERE STATEMENT T~~ 2100 S. Clay St.

On 04/20/99 at approximately 1130 ~rs. myself and Detective d. Wykoff

responded to Columbine High Schco: en shccs fi=ed. Upon a~iva: we
were directed to begin a search of the surrounding area of the high
school for any possible ehp:osi7es, A=ter a search of the areal I was
then directed to respond to a library west of the scene, to debrief
witnesses as they came oue of the sc~ool.
I began interviews of kids that had come out of the scbcol, and during
the interv-iews, was directed to a young man who was identified as an
ex-member of the t=ench coat mafia. I began to intarview this
party{strai~) ~ During the ince~,~ew he related that he was no lcnger
a member of this group but, did give me an idea of, the g:::oups
mentalit:y. He wane on to relate e.b.at the aC':ive members/ were known to
him as Christopher, and Robert both seniors. I was then to:d that these
parties have extensive know:edge in military tactics, as well as in
trip wires, and pipe bombs. I immediately contacted the command post
and related chis i~formaeicn. I t~en ccntac~ed cha Jefferson Cc~~ty
Investigators who took: this party to be interviewed else where.
I then began to coordinate with the other investigators, relaying any
intelliqence i:l.formacion to t~e command center! that was obcai.:led from
interviews. (
:)OSer k. S"J"<:.,..,r)
I have read the foregoing atal:ement and the facts contained therein are
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true to the best of my knowledge and belief. I do not maintain that

it conta.iIl$ a.ll of the facts or cletails of the incident. but only "hose
facts about which I have been asked.

Dat.e
A.M.
P.M.
Time Statement'COmpleted

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 DENVER POLICE DEPARTMENT
NARCOTICS UNIT
Jeffeo Case 1199·7625

REPORTED BY: Detective Marcus L. Fountain, 91036

DATE OF REPORT: May 13, 1999

TYPE OF REPORT: Interview of Joseph Stair

Oil May 12, 1999, at approximately 1200 hrs., Denver Police Detectives Marcus L.
Fountain, badge It 91036 and Joel Bell, badge It 91009, interviewed Joseph Stair DOB
061381l. The interview took place at 7097 W. Frost Place, Littleton, Colorado. Stair's
girlfriend, Laura Bryan, was present part of the time.

During the interview, Stair related the following information:

Stair stated that on April 20, 1999, he wok. "p at approximately 100 hrs. Stair ate, then
played video games at home. At approximately 1200 hrs., his sister, Amanda Stair, called
home and spoke to his mother and that this is wben he first heard of the shootings at
Columbine. Stair watched the news for an hour or so, then he and his mother responded to
the library near Columbine High School to pick up Amanda. Stair was briefly interviewed
by a police oMcer at the library. That off',.er took Stair to the command post, where Stair
spent another 10-15 minutes being interviewed. Amanda went home with her mother while
Stair was being interviewed. After the interview, Stair was driven home by a pollee officer.
By the time Stair arrived at his home, it was approximately 1530. Stair reported to work at
1600 hI'S. (Arby's at Littleton Blvd. and Broadway)

As far as the trench coat mafia is concerned, Stair stated that he is one of the founders.
Stair stated that he, along with Chris Morris, John Beachem, Eric Dentrau, and Cory
Friezen, started the group around 1994 or 1995. Stair stated that they all shared the same
interest in movies, video games, and bowling. Stair stated that he met Eric Harris and
Dylan Clebold through Chris Morris approximately two years ago. Stair added that he
hung out with Harris and Clehoid only occasionally and didn't know them very well
outside of school. Though Stair stated that he liked video games, and has played Doom, he
also stated that he had not played any video games with Harris and Clebold.

Stair stated that he played Doom at his grandfather's house. When Stair was asked to give
detectives his grandfather's address and telephone number, Stair stated that he didn't
know either. Stair stated that he only knew his grandfather's first name, which is "Fred".

Stair has a computer, which he stated was built by Erie Jackson in June of1998 for Stair'S
birthday. Stair stated that he had never communicated with Harris or Clebold via
computer, though they had mentioned to him that they had a web slgbt. Stair stated that he
wasn't interested ill Harris and Clebold's web sight. Stair stated that he talks on-line to
Brian Sargent, John Beachem and Tad Bois occasionally. Stair signed a consent for his
computer to be searched and provided his password, which is "NAT ASHA" and his screen
name, which is "DERNOCK".
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Stair stated that the last time he saw Harris and Clebold was around December of 1998
around Columbine High School. Stair stated that they were in Clebotd's BMW. He talked
with them and smoked a few cigarettes for a while, then left the area. Stair stated that he
has not had any contact with either of the two since then.

Stair stated that he has no guns and doesn't like them. Stair stated that when he was a
sophomore in high school, he developed an interest in bombs. Stair cheeked out a book
from a library and read up on how to make bombs. This book taugbt Stair about napalm
B, field to air explosives and melctev coektails, Stair stated that he was no longer
interested in bombs.

Stair stated that he pays his mother $200.00 per month rent for living In the house and
occupying the northeast basement bedroom. Stair signed a eenseat for Detectives Fountain
and Bell to search his bedroom. While searching the bedroom, detectives noticed
newspaper articles about a previous murder suicide involving a former Columbine student
killing his stepfather and then killing himself. These articles were on the dresser mirror.
Deteetives also found a newspaper article about Hitler. Detectives found what appeared to
he a gun rack inside of the wall behind the door to the bedroom. There were no guns in it.
Joe Stair stated that it must have been built by the previous homeowners. Detectives also
found a notepad that had what appeared to possibly be the beginning of plans for a truck
heist, which included a short U,t ofum... Stair stated that it was probably written by
Nathan Guest, who lived with the Stain from approximately February to May of 1996.
Detectives also found a blue folder wbich contained miscellaneous pllpers and a photo of
Stair and Eric Deutrau. Detectives noticed a dark colored trench coat hanging on the
closet door. Detective Fountain asked Stair if the detectives could take the trench coat, the
blue folder, the Hitler article and the notepad. Stair agreed. Detective Flnlntain made it
clear to Stair that various tests may be performed on the eoat, These items were placed
into evidence at the Jefferson County Sheriffs'Department.

Detective BeD came across a 1998 Columbine High School year-book. In the book,
Detective Bell found several written messages from various students. One message in
particular read, "Chico' Groove", lind then directly under it, "Yo Joe•.•Stay different,
better tban the norm! Jocks suck dick. rCM!! Later <<.VODKA-»"

Stair also agreed to take a polygraph and gave detectives his work schedule for the coming
week.

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CONFIDENTIAl. CONFIDENTIAl

mBJECT JOSEPH STAIR

PREDfCUIO:.'1

Forensicpolygraph psycho-physiological diagnostic techniques were used to determinewhetherthe

subject was being truthful or deceptive.

PROCEDFBF

The subject was examined on May 14, 1999 at approximately 1357 hours. Standard polygraph
techniques were utilized for this evaluation. Prior to the administration of the examination, the
subject read and signed the •Arvada PoliceDepartment standardpolygraphrelease. The subject was
advised of his rights per Miranda at lJ58 hours. Subsequentto the advisement. the subject waived
his rights and agreed to speak with this examiner.

A pretest interview was conducted during which time the subject stated his purpose for taking this
polygraph examination was because he was asked if he wanted to come and do this. The subject
further stated that he wasn't involved in this and had nothing to hide regarding the murders at
Columbine High School.

In discussingthe issues surrounding the murders at Columbine High School, the subject stated that
the Trench Coat Mafia was first started by a group of his friends and himself with the original
members being Cory Friesen, Eric Dutro,John Beachem and himself. The subject stated that when
this group was initially formed, he did not have a black trenchcoat but did get one as time went on.
The subject described the Trench Coat Mafia as a "support group" for the members against other
students at school. The subject further stated that this organization was developed during his
sophomore year.

The subject stated that he was a senior at Columbine High School when he initially met Eric Harris
and Dylan Klebold. The subject stated that he sort of became friends with Dylan Klebold but that
Kleboldwas never a member ofthe Trench CoatMafia. The subject statedthat Dylan Kleboldreally
neverhung aroundwith the primary members of theTrenchCoat Mafiabut mostly hung aroundwith
Chris Morris.

The subject stated that he first met Eric Harrisduring his senior year a short time after he initially
met Dylan Klebold. The subject stated that he met Eric Harris, who was in the company of Dylan
Kleboldat that time. The subject stated that EricHarris was also not a member ofthe Trench Coat
Mafia and in fact hung out less with the members of the TrenchCoatMafia than what DylanKlebold
did. The subject further stated that he did not get to know either one of them very well but would
see Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold at lunchtime. The subject stated that he never got to be good
friends with either one of them and that he never socialized with them outside the school.

The subject stated that the last time he saw Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold was six or seven months
ago. The subject stated that they were together and parked in Dylan Klebold s car near Columbine
High School. The subject stated that he was walking to work during that time and observed them
parked on the street along with Chris Morris in the car, The subject stated that he hopr ed in the car
during which time they listened to the stereoand caught up on old times. The subject further stated
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thathe never communicatedwith eitherEric Harris or DylanKleboldby telephone Or computer. The

subject further added that he had no close ties with either Eric Harris or Dylan Klebold,

The subject stated that Eric Harrisand Dylan Kleboldnever talked to him about doinganything like
they did at Columbine High School. The subjectstated that they would say something like, "I'm
going to get back at that guy," or "I'm going to kill him," but that this was always said in a joking
manner. The subject furtherstatedthat theywould also say things such as they were going to burn
the school to the ground or blow it up but according to the subject, half the students said something
like this, with it also being said in a jolti".!! manner. The subject further stated that no one ever
seriously said anything about shooting srudenrs like they did on April 20"'.

The subject stated that he was "completelyshocked" when they did this on April 20"- The subject
further added that his sister was in the library when this thing began and that he is glad that she is
okay.

The subject stated that on April 20, 1999, he was home in the morning and got up at around 1100
hours. at which time he played videogamesuntilhis sister telephoned home. The subjectstatedthat
his sister then advised him and other family members of what was taking place at Columbine High
Schoolregardingthis incident. The subjectstatedthat his sistertelephoned their homebetween1130
hours and 1200 hours and informedthem at that time of the armed attacktiling place at Columbine
High Scncot, The subject stated that his mother and he watched the event on TV for the next hour
with him adding that his mother was in no conditionto drive because of this event upsetting her so
much. The subject stated that he had no idea who could be doing this while he was watching the
event on TV even though they mentioned the fact that members of the Trench Ccar Mafia were
possiblyinvolved in this incident. The subject further stated that he was completelyshocked when
he learned that the primary suspects in this incident were Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, The
subjectstated that neitner Eric Harris or Dylan Kleboldever talked about guns or makingbombs or
explosive deviceswith him. The subjectstatedthat he personally learned how to makea bomb from
several books that he obtained at the library but that he personally never made one. The subject
further admitted that he has never fired or even held a gun in his life. The subject also added that
he never went with anyone who even practicedshooting guns.

The subjectstated that the last time that he was on Columbine High Schoolpropertywastwo months
ago and that the last time he was in the school building was approximately nine months ago. The
subject furtheradded that he does not know who could have helped Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold
plan out this incident that took place at Columbine High School.

There were no further statements made by this subject during the pretest portion of the interview
The subject was then examined with an Axciton computerized polygraph system which is
periodically calibrated to insure its accuracy and reliability. The instrument was correctly calibrated
and in properworking conditionwhen this examination was conducted. Four polygraph charts were
administered on the subjects.

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.ESITITS

Polygramstwo, three and four contained following relevantquestions:

4. Regarding Columbine High School, did you personallyparticipate in planning that armed
attack?

Answer: "No."

6. On April 20, 1999, did you know for sure that an armed attack would occur at Columbine
High School?
Answer: ~O."

8. Regarding Columbine High School. didyou knowingly provide any of the weapons used in
that armed attack?
Answer: "No."

The subject'S psycho-physiological responses to the foregoing relevant questions were indicative
of him answering the questions truthfully.

DIAGNOSTIC OPINION

After carefulanalysis of'this subject's polygrams, it is theopinionof the examiner that thesubject
has told substantially the truth.

~L,JL..., ./
J~;(VOl1d ohe, Examiner
Nikk
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174A-DN-57419
Rapid Start LCN~ DN52

KRISTINE Tr~IBAULT was interviewed over the telephone

on 04/28/1999, by INVESTIGATOR DONALD ESTEP IDNJTTF-DT.
TrlEIBAULT provided the following informacion:
THIBBAULT was asked if she saw ROBERT FERRY on
04/20/1999, she stated she did. THEIBAULT explained after the
information about the activities occurring at COLUMBINE HIGH
SCHOOL were being broad cast by the media she went to ROBERT
PERRY's home where she made contact with him. THIEBAULT advised
she did not see ROBERT FERRY at FAM SILVA's horne that day.

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fD.302 (Rev !Q..6·95)

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dale of tniuscrlpoon 04/28/1999

Information provided to FBI Denver from a confidential

source indicated that source was conversing with two individuals on
the internet who call themselves _ a n d _ f r o m Littleton,
Colorado. During chat, ~ra~about~ingto make the
bombs used at Columbine Jl'~Chool and _ _ bragged about helping
place the bombs. ~rovided a phone~er of

IIIIIIP~
eC k S
of internet resource
number as belonging to
ltt eon, olorado 80123. A
pr~ntout is attached to this FD-302.

Checks of the CRS student list show _ to be a

junior at CRS.

04/25/1999 (telephonically)

R~I 174A-PN-574J9 l)a.. dictl... ai/Lsi] 999

SA Matthew R. Hellman ~
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