HSQC and HMBC For Topspin: About Sample Size, Tubes, and Sensitivity
HSQC and HMBC For Topspin: About Sample Size, Tubes, and Sensitivity
HSQC and HMBC For Topspin: About Sample Size, Tubes, and Sensitivity
About sample size, tubes, and sensitivity: When sample quantity is very limited, it
is advantageous to limit the amount of solvent in which it is dissolved. If a normal 5mm tube is used, however, this cannot be less than about 500L without causing serious lineshape (shimming) problems and the attendant loss of signal-to-noise. When one reduces the solvent quantity in a normal 5mm tube, it is important that the sample be centered within the coil. To do this, center the sample about the scored line on the plastic depth gauge. There are special tubes (made by Shigemi) that can be used to restrict the active solvent volume without causing line shape problems. They are available from www.shigemi.com or Aldrich for a higher price. See John Decatur.
Parmeter set
hsqcedsp.top hsqc.top hsqctocsy.top
Experiment
edited HSQC with CH and CH3 carbons up, CH2 carbons down standard HSQC HSQC-TOCSY gives a TOCSY spectrum resolved into the carbon dimension
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HSQC Procedure
1. Do not spin the sample. Lock, shim and take a normal 1D proton spectrum. Be sure to tune the proton channel of the probe (wobb). Determine the proton spectral region to be used - values of sw and o1p. sw is the spectral width and o1p is the center of the spectrum. For example, if you have peaks over the range 1 to 6 ppm, the optimum region is from 0.5 to 6.5 ppm. Always leave at least 0.5 ppm on the edges of the spectrum. The value for sw is then 6 ppm and o1p is 3.5 ppm. 2. Note the file name of the 1D proton spectra taken above. You may wish to use it as the F2 projection for the 2D plot. 3. Type new to change the filename, or preferably, simply increment the experiment number. 4. Read in the parameters for the HSQC experiment by typing rpar or hsqcedsp.top or hsqc.top. Type getprosol to update the pulse parameters. 5. Type wobb and tune the carbon channel of the probe (The carbon channel comes up on the wobb screen when the HSQC parameters have been read in) 6. The parameters below may be changed. Click AcquPars. The F2 column refers to the proton (direct) dimension and F1 column refers to the carbon (indirect) dimension. The normal range for the carbon spectral width is from 0 -165 ppm since carbonyls do not usually have directly attached protons. If you suspect you have an aldehyde, then the carbon range should increased to include up to 200 ppm or so. ns - number of scans. By default =1 but this can be increased to give greater signal-to-noise.
[the rest are optional] O1p [ppm] - center of proton spectrum sw [ppm]for F2 - proton spectral width O2P [ppm]- center of carbon spectrum sw [ppm] for F1 - carbon spectral width td for F1 - # of points in F1 dimension (# of FID's) fidres - digital resolution. Should be 3-5Hz/pt in F2 . Should be 20-80 Hz/pt in F1. Fidres is given by the ratio sw/td. Set the values of td in F1 and F2 accordingly. The digital resolution should be set according to your needs, i.e., use better (lower Fidres) resolution if are you interested in carbons that have nearly identical shifts and nearly identical proton shifts. Better digital resolution in F1 dimension requires longer experimental time. Often 80Hz/pt is sufficient. 6. Type expt to determine the time required for the experiment. Values of td in F1 and ns greatly affect the time. 7. Type zg to acquire data. Do not type rga or start. You will see the lock signal fall and rise. This is normal.
PROCESSING
When data acquisition is complete, type xfb to transform the data. You may transform the data before the acquisition is finished but the resolution of the 2D spectrum will be reduced. (Don't forget to re transform after the experiment is finished).
Display control
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To expand around a region, simply depress the left mouse button and drag the box around the desired region. To return to the full spectrum, click . To adjust the intensity, use
Phasing
The HSQC spectrum that you have just run is phase sensitive. You must phase it. An out-of-phase spectrum will look strange and will show dramatic intensity differences on either side of all peaks. To phase a 2D spectrum, one extracts individual 1D rows or columns and phases the 1D spectra. The columns and the rows must both be phased and they must be phased separately. If you have run the edited version, the color of the cross peak indicates the phase and thus the multiplicity. Blue and yellow/green represent opposite phase. CH and CH3 will have one color (yellow/green) and CH2 will have the other (blue). When printing with a black-and-white printer, the color information will have to be added by hand by the user (You!). Click to enter phasing. Phase the rows first. Position the cursor on a row that contains peaks. Click the right mouse button and select add. Then position the cursor on a row with a peak that has a different shift than the first, and right click and select add. The idea is to choose rows such that the peaks cover a large shift range. You may add more rows but usually two in sufficient. To phase rows, click will now be a red line on the largest peak. Adjust its phase using the zero-order button, phase of other peaks in the other row(s) using the first-order button, . Click . There . Then adjust the
Click to repeat the above process on columns. The columns will often not need much phase correction. When finished, click to exit phasing. NOTE to MestreNova users: Automatic phasing usually works. Under Processing, phase correction, select automatic along F2 and then automatic along F1.
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To execute linear prediction, you must re-transform the spectrum with xfb. Larger values of LPBIN and SI MAY give even higher resolution. It is possible to use 4*TD for LPBIN and 4*TD for SI. If you make LPBIN larger, also increase the value of SI. Trial and error is necessary to get the optimum spectrum. Linear prediction is normally done only in the F1 dimension. In the F2 dimension, it is better to adjust the digital resolution (Fidres) to the appropriate value before acquiring the spectrum.
Projections
By default, low resolution 1D projections are displayed at the top and left of your spectrum. One can replace the top projection with the high-resolution 1D proton spectrum you took earlier and the left projection with a carbon spectrum. Place the pointer over the projection, right click the mouse, and select external projection. Enter the exact filename as noted in step 2 above (including exact experiment number, etc) Sometimes, the chemical shifts of the 1D projection do not align with the 2D spectrum. See the above calibration procedure if this is true. Or, you may need to calibrate the 1D spectrum.
Peak Picking
You may create and annotate a list of peaks in 2D mode. It is easiest using manual mode. Under Analysis, select peak picking. At the bottom of the menu, select start manual picker. Place the cross-hairs directly over a peak and right-click the mouse to add or annotate a peak. One may delete an already selected peak. When finished, select save,
Plotting
See the intro handout for printing. To print using the plot editor, select File, Print. Select Print with layout start Plot Editor (plot). Select a LAYOUT such as 2Dinv208_11x17 and click OK. This automatically places the proton projection defined in the above step into the spectrum. The carbon projection, however, isnt brought in automatically. To bring in the carbon projection, one must right-click over the spectrum (within Topspin editor) and select edit. Check the click-box for left projection and then select Left Data Set and then choose a spectrum. To adjust intensities of the projections, right click the mouse over the spectrum and select 1D/2D edit. These buttons control the projection, To print, select file, print.
HMBC
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HMBC experiment is experimentally very similar to the HSQC. procedure for HSQC with the differences pointed out below. To run a HMBC, follow the above
Type rpar hmbcea.top or hmbc.top to read in the correct parameters for HMBC. The hmbcea.top gives better signal to noise and is preferred. To transform the data from hmbcea.top you must first type xfb and then xf2m.
The three bond couplings vary with dihedral angle (Karplus relationship) over the range 0-15 Hz. One problem with the HMBC is that one must pick a delay based on the value of the long-range carbon-proton coupling. A delay value that maximizes the intensity of cross peaks from 5 Hz couplings will minimize the intensity cross peaks from 10 Hz couplings. By default a compromise value of 8 Hz is set. If desired, however, one can run two HMBC experiments, with two different delay values of 5 and 10 Hz, in order to be sure that all cross peaks were observed. The HMBC experiment is not phase sensitive. Simply type xfb (and then xf2m if you are doing hmbcea) to process. Skip the phasing section. NOTE for MestreNova users: for the HMBCEA experiment, you must select magnitude along F2 that is found under Processing, Phase Correction.
Nitrogen-proton HMBC
There are several differences between carbon and nitrogen HMBC. First, there is a difference in sensitivity. Since 15N is about 1/3 as abundant as 13C, the sensitivity of the 15N experiment is 1/3 that of the 13C experiment. Scan times are 9 times as long for equivalent sensitivity. Another main difference is the presence of long-range couplings in the 15N HMBC. 4J couplings are often larger than 3J and 2 couplings so there will be cross peaks connecting atoms that are more bonds apart. The coupling values range from 3 to 15 Hz so it is important to cover this whole range by doing two versions with different values of cnst13. See the following paper for a series of examples of 15N HMBC connectivities: Kline, M., Cheatham, S., Magn Reson. Chem., 2003, 41, 307-314. To do 15N HMBC, the differences in procedure are as follows. Type rpar hmbc_n15.top to read in parameters. To do two versions with different values of cnst13, use 5 and 10 Hz.
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Since 15N is about 1/3 as abundant as 13C, the sensitivity of the 15N experiment is 1/3 that of the 13C experiment. Scan times are about 9 times as long for equivalent sensitivity. Carbon Time 10 min 40 min 12 hours 20 min 40 min 3 hrs 19 hours Nitrogen Time
Technique HSQC
HMBC
HSQC
CH correlation via one bond
C H
1
OH
1` 3` 6,6 ` 5.5 4 `
OH
3`
OH
4`
2 3
O O OH O
2`
OH
H 1
OH
2 3
OH
OH
sucrose
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7 Below is a 13C HMBC spectrum of sucrose without a C13 projection. Lines on the molecule show the connectivitites indicated by the cross peaks. For example, proton 1 (5.3ppm) has a cross peak at the shift of carbon 2 (105 PPM) that is located across the glycosidic bond.
HMBC
1 3 ` 1 6,6 ` 4 ` 2 34 ` 5,5 `
OH OH
3`
OH
C C H
C5,3 - H1
O OH
2`
O O OH
H 1
OH
2 3
OH
1`
OH
sucrose
C2`- H1
C2`H1`
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Use of HMBC NUS spectra to obtain 1D 13C spectra from mass-limited samples.
Carbon spectra from mass limited samples can be difficult to obtain when sample quantities are less than a 1-3 mg or so. HMBC (long-range C-H 2D correlation spectra) are much more sensitive than 13C direct observe spectra. Since quaternary carbons show cross peaks in an HMBC, its 13C projection may have every carbon peak that is present in a standard 13C spectrum. When a standard 13C spectrum is not obtainable due to limited sample, HMBC is a viable alternative. The problem with the 13C projection from a HMBC has been that its resolution has been very low. Its big broad peaks didnt even look like a 13C spectrum. Improving the projection resolution resulted in a prohibitively long experiment; the number of spectra, td1, had to be increased from 256 to 8K or so. Now with Topspin 3 software, available
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10 on 500 and 500 Ascend, there is the possibility of improved resolution through nonuniform sampling (NUS) for 2D spectra. The resolution of an 8K spectrum can be obtained with far fewer points. Shown below is a comparison of a standard 1D carbon spectrum (top) with the 13C projection from an HMBC (below) taken with NUS with td1=8K and an extreme sampling ratio of 10%. The intensities are not the same as the 1D carbon. The intensities in the 2D reflect long-range CH coupling values. To use NUS, follow the above procedure but with AMOUNT[%] set to 10.
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