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QW403.5,Changeofgroupnumber
bygerdmilThuNov21,20133:52pm
Dearall,
CouldyoupleaseexplaintheclauseQW403.5ofASMEIX?Ihavewentagainandagainthrough
thatclausebutIamnotabletounderstandwhatdoesitsay.
Forexample,QW403.5(c)definesthat:
aprocedurequalificationshallbemadeforeachPnumberGroupnumbercombinationof
basemetals
andimmediatelyafterthatitsays:
eventhoughprocedurequalificationtestshavebeenmadeforeachofthetwobasemetals
weldedtoitself
Tomyinterpretationthosetwostatementsareequaltoeachother.Moreover,IamnotsurethatIhave
fullyunderstoodtherestoftheQW403.5(c)regardingqualificationofcombinationofbasemetals,
etc.Couldyoupleasegivesomeexamples?
thanks
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Re:QW403.5,Changeofgroupnumber
bymohdThuNov21,20135:24pm
dear,
Asyouknowifimpactisrequired,thentheGroupnumberisanessentialvariable.
Let'sgivetwoexamples
Example1
sentence1:"aprocedurequalificationshallbemadeforeachPnumberGroupnumbercombination
ofbasemetals"
sentence2:"eventhoughprocedurequalificationtestshavebeenmadeforeachofthetwobase
metalsweldedtoitself'"
WPS1#P1G1toP1G1,ifnoimpactrequirement,thenqualifiesalsoforP1G1toP1G2,referto
sentence1&2
WPS2#P1G2toP1G2,ifnoimpactrequirement,thenqualifiesalsoforP1G2toP1G1,referto
sentence1&2
WPS3#P1G1toP1G2qualifiedwithimpact,qualifiesalsoforthecombinationofWPS1&WPS2
withimpact.
Example2
WPS1#P1G1toP8G1qualifiedwithimpact,qualifiesonlyforthiscombination,notP1G1toP1G1
&P8G1toP8G1.
Hopethishelp.
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Re:QW403.5,Changeofgroupnumber
bywefelWedNov27,201311:22am
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Mohd,
SinceIdisagreewithyour"Example2"aswellasIthinkweshallexplaintheclauseQW403.5in
moredetail,pleaseletmegivethebelowinterpretationandkindlyletmeknowifyourarein
agreement(pleasenotethatalloftheexamplePQRareconsideredtohavebeenperformedwith
impacttestandforalloftheproductionweldingexamplesthereisimpacttestrequirement).
Thestatement"aprocedurequalificationshallbemadeforeachPnumberGroupnumber
combinationofbasemetals"meansthattheweldingofP1G1toP1G2needsprocedurequalification
eventhoughprocedurequalificationtestshavebeenmadeforeachofthetwobasemetals
weldedtoitself.Inotherwordsifwehave:
PQR1:P1G1toP1G1
PQR2:P1G2toP1G2
thentheweldingofbasemetalsP1G1toP1G2needsseparateprocedurequalificationexceptifthe
PQR1andPQR2havethesameessentialandsupplementaryessentialvariablessincethebasemetals
areassignedtodifferentGroupnumberswithinthesamePnumber(specifiedbyQW403.5).
Regardingthestatement"whenbasemetalsoftwodifferentPnumberGroupnumber
combinationsarequalifiedusingasingletestcoupon,thatcouponqualifiestheweldingofthose
twoPnumberGroupnumberstothemselvesaswellastoeachotherusingthevariables
qualified",itmeansthatifwehave:
PQR3:P1G1toP2G4
thisPQRqualifiesfortheweldings
P1G1toP1G1,P1G1toP1G4,P1G1toP2G1,P1G1toP2G4,P1G4toP1G4,P1G4toP2G1,P1G4
toP2G4,P2G1toP2G1,P2G1toP2G4,P2G4toP2G4.
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Re:QW403.5,Changeofgroupnumber
bymohdWedNov27,201312:15pm
DearMrwefel,
Withutmostrespectwhatyousaidanddemonstratedbyexamplesiscorrect,butyouhavetoseealso
theessentialvariablesasperQW250.
AsIsaidP1G1toP8G1cannotqualifyforP1G1toP1G1becausewecannotweldthismaterials
(P1G1toP1G1)withER309L,amIright?
AsIsaidP1G1toP8G1cannotqualifyforP8G1toP8G1becausewecannotweldthismaterials
(P8G1toP8G1)withER309L,amIright?
WhenwequalifyWPSwehavetolookintothiscombinationaswell.
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Hopeitisclear.
reagrds,
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Re:QW403.5,Changeofgroupnumber
bywefelWedNov27,20131:35pm
DearMohd,
ThanksfortheexplanatorycommentsthoughIregrettotellyouthatIdon'tagreewithyourthoughts
becauseifyouhavequalifiedprocedureusingbasemetalsP1G1toP8G1andfillermetalER309L
thenyouqualifyalsoforP1G1toP1G1withthesamefillermetal(inrealitynooneusesER309Lto
weldcarbonsteelsincetheER309Lismuchmoreexpensiveformcarbonsteelfillermetals)aswell
asyouqualifyforP8G1toP8G1withthesamefillermetal(inrealityitisnotacommonpracticeto
weldforexampleSS316usingER309Lfillermetalsincethelattermaynotbetheappropriatefiller
metalfortheserviceenvironmentforwhichthematerialSS316hasbeenselected).
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