Dr. Jeff Moore // #LeadershipThursday // www.ptonice.com  In today's episode of the PT on ICE Daily Show, ICE Chief Executive Officer Jeff Moore discusses pursuing mentorship with individuals who are not too far removed from your current situation so that they can best understand your needs & optimize a path to facilitate your growth. Jeff argues that often, individuals seek mentorship from those so far removed that they can no longer understand what it is like to be in that situation or the steps needed to continue to see growth. Take a listen to the podcast episode or check out the full show notes on our blog at www.ptonice.com/blog. If you're looking to learn more about courses designed to start your own practice, check out our Brick by Brick practice management course or our online physical therapy courses, check out our entire list of continuing education courses for physical therapy including our physical therapy certifications by checking out our website. Don't forget about all of our FREE eBooks, prebuilt workshops, free CEUs, and other physical therapy continuing education on our Resources tab. EPISODE TRANSCRIPTION JEFF MOOREAll right crew, what's up? Welcome back to the PT on ICE Daily Show. I am Dr. Jeff Moore, currently serving as the CEO of ICE and always thrilled to be here on a Leadership Thursday, which of course is a Gut Check Thursday. The open is over. We are back in business with Gut Check Thursday and we've got a doozy. We've got every two minutes, you're going to do 15 calories on the bike, and then you're going to do as many thrusters as possible in the remainder of that two minute time period. at the weights of 135 for the gents and 95 for the gals. Then you're going to keep repeating that, right? Every two minutes you've got to get your 15-12 cal on the bike done before you start knocking out thrusters. The workout is over at 30 thrusters. I just did this the other day. I finished in the 7th round, 13 minutes and change. It's rough. There's not a lot of rest by not a lot I mean none. Think about scaling that weight if you're not getting over 5 reps in those first rounds. If you don't feel that's doable, maybe knock a few pounds off or you might be there. for a while because that bike only chews up more time as you get more fatigued. So give that a bit of thought. It's a wonderful workout. Make sure you tag us, Ice Fisio, Ice Train. Love watching you do all these workouts and sharing them across our social media platforms. Team, welcome to Gut Check Thursday. Welcome to Gut Check Thursday and welcome to Leadership Thursday. where I want to share a huge hack on mentorship that I think is so underappreciated. So the title of today's episode is Optimization via Degrees of Separation. Speaking of mentorship, and the hack that I want to share with you is how to recognize who you should learn from and who you should be teaching. An area that is incredibly plagued by low intention. The organization of that is not something people give a ton of thought to. It's plagued by low intention and one very common mistake. A COMMON MISTAKE OF MENTORSHIP: FOLLOWING THE LEADER So let's open with that common mistake. The common mistake in this, in the space is that most people think they want to learn from the star player or the leader of the organization or the person who they recognized that brought their attention to that area. They think they want to learn from that key person. You almost never do. Who you, you might want to work in their system, right? Like that absolutely makes sense. You might want to move towards their position. That totally makes sense. But who you want to learn from is very rarely that individual. You want to find someone who can over deliver for you and it will almost never be that person. The principle that we're talking about in today's episode is that you can talk across a river, you can yell across a lake, but you can't hear each other across the ocean. What I mean by that is the farther