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hello all,
i would like to know if the CHAR datatype is case-sensitive??
i.e. should i write code like this to recognise the character or not

e.g.
char = category;
if (category == 'M') or (category == 'm')

cheers..

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Please mail to the list, and not directly to me.

You did get a result that corresponded with what you expected, and you
made the incorrect assumption that your code was doing what it was
expected to do.

It doesn't.

You then made the assumption that the code was working two days ago, and
somehow have stopped working. That assumption was also wrong, since the
behaviour of your code has not changed since two days ago.

That was the reason why I asked you to come back and describe exactly why
you think a bitwise or operation or the char() would help you figure out
if you received three integers or not.

An integer does not have any extra magic attributes that you can look at
later to decide if it received a valid inter value or not. You must
specifically check the cin >> i assignment, to see if an integer was
received or not.

Please read the following:
http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/input-output.html#faq-15.3

It does show the simplest C++ way to input integers, making sure that you
really did receive integers.

/pwm

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008, sam Ruma wrote:

> Well, see the attached file.
>
>
>
>
> Per Westermark <pw...@ia...> wrote:
>   No, your code was not working fine two days ago. It was only you who did
> incorrect testing of your code, and assumed that it was working!
>
> Exactly what do you think this line mean:
> if(a|b|c == char())
>
> Note that | is a bit operator.
> And what do you think char() does?
>
> /pwm
>
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, sam Ruma wrote:
>
> > This code was working fine two days ago. But today it is acting weird. It runs fine but the result is wrong. It is suppose to give me a message whenever I enter character instead of number.
> > =====================================================
> > #include
> > #include
> > using namespace std;
> > int main()
> > { int a,b,c;
> > cout << "Enter 3 integers a,b,c \n";
> > cin >> a>>b>>c;
> > cout <<"\n";
> > if(a|b|c == char())
> >
> > {
> > cout <<"Please don't enter characters. Enter numbers only.\n";
> > }
> > else
> > { if(a!=b && b!=c)
> > cout << "Scalene\n";
> > else if (a==b && a!=c)
> > cout <<"Isosceles\n";
> > else if (a==b && a==c)
> > cout <<"Equilateral\n";
> >
> > }
> > system("pause");
> > return 0;
> >
> > }
> > ========================================================
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>
>
>
>
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Do you need to ask?

Dev-C++ is a free IDE that has it's development stopped since a couple of
years. Management do like Microsoft since the Microsoft tools costs money,
and money means a budget and a manager wants to control a large budget...

/pwm

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008, sam Ruma wrote:

> Which one is more important at job market Microsoft Visual C++ or Dev-C++?
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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Which one is more important at job market Microsoft Visual C++ or Dev-C++?

       
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No, your code was not working fine two days ago. It was only you who did
incorrect testing of your code, and assumed that it was working!

Exactly what do you think this line mean:
if(a|b|c == char())

Note that | is a bit operator.
And what do you think char() does?

/pwm

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, sam Ruma wrote:

> This code was working fine two days ago. But today it is acting weird. It runs fine but the result is wrong. It is suppose to give me a message whenever I enter character instead of number.
>   =====================================================
>   #include<iostream>
> #include<cctype>
> using namespace std;
> int main()
> {    int a,b,c;
> cout << "Enter 3 integers a,b,c \n";
> cin >> a>>b>>c;
> cout <<"\n";
>   if(a|b|c == char())
>
>   {
>   cout <<"Please don't enter characters. Enter numbers only.\n";
>   }
>    else
>     {     if(a!=b && b!=c)
>  cout << "Scalene\n";
>       else if (a==b && a!=c)
>  cout <<"Isosceles\n";
>        else if (a==b && a==c)
>    cout <<"Equilateral\n";
>
>  }
>   system("pause");
>  return 0;
>
> }
> ========================================================
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Never miss a thing.   Make Yahoo your homepage.

Hello,
For information about C and C++ functions I allways look at:
http://www.cppreference.com/

By the way, DevCpp is not a compiler, but an IDE. For compiling it uses a 
compiler, standard (but not neccessarily) a version of MinGW.
Wobien


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "raghu vamsee" <rag...@ya...>
To: <dev...@li...>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:52 AM
Subject: [Dev-C++] Header file functions


> Hello,
> To every body.I am completely new to Dev C++ compiler.
> Earlier I used to use Borland c++ compiler.
> I am having little problem knowing about the functions present in header 
> files in INCLUDE directory.
> Earlier I used to learn about functions by clicking help and exploring the 
> functions and their functionality.
> Here I am finding difficulty.
> CAN ANYBODY TELL ME HOW TO KNOW or FIND
> 1) NUMBER OF FUNCTIONS IN HEADER FILE(ANY HEADER FILE IN INCLUDE 
> DIRECTORY)
> 2) EXAMPLE OR EXPLANATION JUST LIKE IN BORLAND C++.
>
> Thanks to everybody.
>
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Hello,
To every body.I am completely new to Dev C++ compiler.
Earlier I used to use Borland c++ compiler.
I am having little problem knowing about the functions present in header files in INCLUDE directory.
Earlier I used to learn about functions by clicking help and exploring the functions and their functionality.
Here I am finding difficulty.
CAN ANYBODY TELL ME HOW TO KNOW or FIND 
 1) NUMBER OF FUNCTIONS IN HEADER FILE(ANY HEADER FILE IN INCLUDE DIRECTORY)
 2) EXAMPLE OR EXPLANATION JUST LIKE IN BORLAND C++.
 
 Thanks to everybody.


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This code was working fine two days ago. But today it is acting weird. It runs fine but the result is wrong. It is suppose to give me a message whenever I enter character instead of number.
  =====================================================
  #include<iostream>
#include<cctype>
using namespace std;
int main()
{    int a,b,c;
cout << "Enter 3 integers a,b,c \n";
cin >> a>>b>>c;
cout <<"\n";
  if(a|b|c == char())
  
  {
  cout <<"Please don't enter characters. Enter numbers only.\n";
  }
   else
    {     if(a!=b && b!=c)
 cout << "Scalene\n";
      else if (a==b && a!=c)
 cout <<"Isosceles\n";
       else if (a==b && a==c)
   cout <<"Equilateral\n";
   
 }
  system("pause");
 return 0;
 
}
========================================================

       
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frederico schardong wrote:
> Hi
> I must find a function similar sleep(), but function who I try must be 
> based on nanosecond or microsecond (no milesecond)
> =)
> tankyou!
> 
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google  man usleep
google  man nanosleep

Take a look at:

http://webster.cs.ucr.edu/AsmTools/HLA/

It should allow you to get your feet wet while leveraging your
existing skills and knowledge.

also, join the mailing list.

-Robert


On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 5:56 AM, hhh hhh <the...@ho...> wrote:
>
>
>         I am, like many of you, a C/C++ coder... However I must say that I
> wish to learn Assembly...
> One of my ambitions is to write a even small SO, and even though I know that
> most things can be accomplished by C...
> I have to say that writing code near clock speed is an idea that seduces me
> very much.
>
> However, and this is why I am asking for help, I can't seem to learn it by
> myself, reading tutorials... Please, do any of you know a really good, I
> mean, Bible-like ASM book ?
>
> I wish to learn ASM for the main processores, but specifically x86
> processors, and then move to others... And there is a good point to this...
> I wish to test my programs, with some old computers that I own... Obviously
> making my first steps into SO development.
>
> So... any book really worth reading ?
>
> Thank you in advance :D
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Check for OS specific functions.  I believe Solaris has a nanosleep,  also see:

http://www.mkssoftware.com/docs/man3/nanosleep.3.asp

That's from a quick google search.

hope this helps,
Robert

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 4:51 PM, frederico schardong
<fre...@gm...> wrote:
> Hi
> I must find a function similar sleep(), but function who I try must be based
> on nanosecond or microsecond (no milesecond)
> =)
> tankyou!
>
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Hi
I must find a function similar sleep(), but function who I try must be based
on nanosecond or microsecond (no milesecond)
=)
tankyou!

anybody go to fisl 9.0 in Porto Alegre - Brasil?

 
       I am, like many of you, a C/C++ coder... However I must say that I wish to learn Assembly... One of my ambitions is to write a even small SO, and even though I know that most things can be accomplished by C...I have to say that writing code near clock speed is an idea that seduces me very much.However, and this is why I am asking for help, I can't seem to learn it by myself, reading tutorials... Please, do any of you know a really good, I mean, Bible-like ASM book ?I wish to learn ASM for the main processores, but specifically x86 processors, and then move to others... And there is a good point to this... I wish to test my programs, with some old computers that I own... Obviously making my first steps into SO development.So... any book really worth reading ? Thank you in advance :D
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Hello Philip :     That is a good question, but easily answered with a overview of CreateThread in msdn2 .    The following is an excert from http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms682453(VS.85).aspx :<quote>A thread in an executable that calls the C run-time library (CRT) should use the _beginthreadex and _endthreadex functions for thread management rather than CreateThread and ExitThread; this requires the use of the multi-threaded version of the CRT. If a thread created using CreateThread calls the CRT, the CRT may terminate the process in low-memory conditions</quote>    Hopefully that answers your question.Happy Coding :D


From: phi...@pb...To: dev...@li...Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:18:29 +0100Subject: [Dev-C++] Recommended threading API?


Hello everyone,
 
I have a quick question regarding the multithreading functions on Windows in relation with MinGw. Does it matter if I use _beginthreadex or CreateThread, is one better than the other when using MinGw or are they the same? I am asking because I read somewhere that applications that have a static link to the c runtime library should not use CreateThread, but I do not know if this is true for MinGw executables. Any information on this would be very much appreciated.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
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Hello everyone,

I have a quick question regarding the multithreading functions on Windows in relation with MinGw. Does it matter if I use _beginthreadex or CreateThread, is one better than the other when using MinGw or are they the same? I am asking because I read somewhere that applications that have a static link to the c runtime library should not use CreateThread, but I do not know if this is true for MinGw executables. Any information on this would be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Regards
Philip Bennefall

Come on you know the answer!!
Just a standard "for" loop
Calibratiog might get a bit tricky

----- Original Message -----
From: frederico schardong
To: dev...@li...
Sent: Tuesday, 25 March, 2008 4:42 AM
Subject: [Dev-C++] sleep();


sleep() is base in miliseconds, but I need some pauses in nicro, or
nanoseconds.

any sugestions?

tanks!



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sleep() is base in miliseconds, but I need some pauses in nicro, or
nanoseconds.

any sugestions?

tanks!

Twanny Azzopardi wrote:
> Hello coders!
>  
> Please try to compile the attached C program and tell me what I am missing.
>  
>  
> Best regards,
> Twanny.
> 

compiles fine for me

$ ls -rlt
total 32
-rwx------+ 1 Administrator None  2207 Mar 22 12:38 main.c
-rwx------+ 1 Administrator None  1292 Mar 22 12:38 Makefile.win
-rwx------+ 1 Administrator None   830 Mar 22 12:38 Project1.dev
-rw-rw-rw-  1 Administrator None  2028 Mar 22 12:38 main.o
-rwxrwxrwx  1 Administrator None 12737 Mar 22 12:38 Project1.exe

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Reid Thompson <rei...@at...> wrote:
> Reid Thompson wrote:
>
>  > heh  the !one! thing for me is jVi..
>  >> I just prefer Eclipse.
>  forgot to note, I do basically all of my editing in VIM.  If I need to trace
>  code, I use Source Navigator.  If anyone needs a great tool to utilize to learn
>  a new code base, or trace through code, I recommend giving it a try.  Or you
>  could use it for your IDE if you want.
>
>  http://sourcenav.berlios.de/
>  http://sourcenav.berlios.de/screenshots/
>
>  the original user docs
>  http://sourcenav.sourceforge.net/online-docs/userguide/index_ug.html

I found a fascinating little editor called Ultimate++:

http://www.ultimatepp.org/
http://www.ultimatepp.org/www$uppweb$idess$en-us.html

It's really... different.  In an interesting way.  It also has a decent editor.


For those looking for a more up-to-date DevC++, I think most of the
DevC++ movement got re-incarnated into the wxDev-C++ project.  I think
it also includes a GUI Builder for wxWidgets, which is a very good GUI
library in case you're looking for one.

http://wxdsgn.sourceforge.net/

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On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Reid Thompson <rei...@at...> wrote:
> Chris Miller wrote:
>  > On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Reid Thompson <rei...@at...> wrote:
>  >> Chris Miller wrote:
>  >>  > On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Reid Thompson <Rei...@at...> wrote:
>  >>  >> I've done some very simple stuff with it.  Basic hello world, etc.
>  >>  >>  Worked fine in that context.
>  >>  >>
>  >>  >>  As a note.  Netbeans is the framework that SUN is basing their entire
>  >>  >>  development suite on, for SOLARIS and INTEL chipsets.  I.E. Sun Studio
>  >>  >>  12 is 'Netbeans' -- I'd expect it to be able to do most anything you'd
>  >>  >>  want. for that matter, I think Sun Studio 12 is available for free
>  >>  >>  download...
>  >>  >
>  >>  > Good grief!  That's a shame, since I gave NetBeans a good, long try
>  >>  > and found it completely inferior to Eclipse in every way save for Java
>  >>  > tracing and profiling.  Specifically, the editing support was
>  >>  > horrible.  The indentation engine was all wrong, and the whole
>  >>  > look-n-feel was just singularly unprofessional.
>  >>  >
>  >>  > Just proves my point: Eclipse is the new Emacs ("Looks like he's
>  >>  > heading for that small operating system! \ That's no operating system!
>  >>  >  That's an application! \ I wonder what it's called... \ This is the
>  >>  > Death Star Emacs!  Lower your patents and surrender your code!
>  >>  > Resistance is futile!  Your technological distinctiveness will be
>  >>  > assimilated and become our own!  We are the Emacs!")
>  >>  >
>  >>  > Yes, I know I just fused Star Wars and Star Trek.  Bite me.
>  >>  >
>  >>  What was the issue with editing support?
>  >>  What was wrong with the indentation engine?
>  >
>  > It really didn't conform well the the K&R way of doing things.  In the
>  > interest of saving time, I'll just stop the format wars now and say
>  > that there is no "right" way to format and indent your code.
>  not intending to start one... just surprised to hear that that you found
>  indentation issues.  i've not had any problems configuring NB to conform to any
>  need.

Yeah, it was weird.  I keep dreaming of an editor which fuses the best
of Netbeans (the GUI editor and profiling) and Eclipse (the source
editing - editing stuff in Eclipse is absolutely divine!  I have yet
to find ANY editor which comes close).  Given the state of affairs
between Sun and Eclipse Foundation, I really doubt that'll happen.

Eclipse is still the new Emacs. ;)

>    I like
>  > K&R.  NetBeans could not support K&R for some reason.
>  Which version?  6.0 appears to format K&R by default.

Hmm..  That's odd.  I never got it to work.  I eventually gave up and
just ran the profiler in NetBeans and then used Eclipse for writing
the app.

I liked the NetBeans GUI builder a bit better, but I found Eclipse's
to be a lot more sturdy when using tabbed views.

> >
>  > Personally, I hate fighting my editor when I'm coding.  Other people
>  > can be different, that's okay, but I have a legitimate weakness in
>  > NetBeans because it's very difficult to just code in it because it's
>  > so bad at adapting to various indentation styles.
>  understood again, generally all the code that i deal with is pretty consistent
>  as to style.

Yeah, my style is really really compact.  Here's a D example
(unfinished, just an expository example) to prove it:

		file=new FileConduit(filename, FileConduit.ReadWriteOpen);
		scope(exit) file.close;
		// eat the file by line and parse the INI file!
		LineInput tknzr=new LineInput(file.input);
		char[] current_header; uint tmp;
		foreach(line; tknzr) {
			if(line[0]=='[') { // it's a header
				line=line[1..$-1]; // cut out the
				// header info; find the first header
				// name
				tmp=txtUtil.locate(line, ".");
As you can see, I prefer compact code.  It comes from working on
low-resolution monitors.  Then when I work on my dual-monitor
workstation it's great, 'cause I can see so much more without
scrolling :)

> >
>  > Otherwise I think NetBeans is great!  It's got a beautiful profiler
>  > that I used a lot to diagnose bad code for friends.  I helped kill a
>  > really bad bug in a codebase for a Robotics club that caused horrific
>  > amounts of allocation and deallocation of memory by just finding that
>  > in a single spot they used String+=String, instead of a StringBuilder
>  > (Strings in Java are immutable).
>  heh  the !one! thing for me is jVi..

I never really liked vi.  I was always partial to pico.  Could have
been a bad experience with my not being able to figure out how to get
out of it (I was *very* new to Linux).

> >
>  > I just prefer Eclipse.
>  >
>  > Right now I'm using the D Programming Language, so I'm using neither
>  > of the two at the moment.  So there!  I have less bias!
>  >
>  > Note: try to hit the reply-to-all button, since you're missing the
>  > list and just mailing me!
>  Yeah,, I realized i hit the wrong button too late,, but didn't want to duplicate
>   the email.

Yeah, we've all been there.  It just happened twice so I thought it
might be necessary to give a reminder.  I'm horrible with names, so
that I treat everyone with equal status on mailing lists is simply
because I can't remember anyone anyways.  So how could I remember if
you're new here or if you've been around for a while?  Just my little
problem.

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Reid Thompson wrote:

> heh  the !one! thing for me is jVi..
>> I just prefer Eclipse.
forgot to note, I do basically all of my editing in VIM.  If I need to trace 
code, I use Source Navigator.  If anyone needs a great tool to utilize to learn 
a new code base, or trace through code, I recommend giving it a try.  Or you 
could use it for your IDE if you want.

http://sourcenav.berlios.de/
http://sourcenav.berlios.de/screenshots/

the original user docs
http://sourcenav.sourceforge.net/online-docs/userguide/index_ug.html

Chris Miller wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Reid Thompson <rei...@at...> wrote:
>> Chris Miller wrote:
>>  > On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Reid Thompson <Rei...@at...> wrote:
>>  >> I've done some very simple stuff with it.  Basic hello world, etc.
>>  >>  Worked fine in that context.
>>  >>
>>  >>  As a note.  Netbeans is the framework that SUN is basing their entire
>>  >>  development suite on, for SOLARIS and INTEL chipsets.  I.E. Sun Studio
>>  >>  12 is 'Netbeans' -- I'd expect it to be able to do most anything you'd
>>  >>  want. for that matter, I think Sun Studio 12 is available for free
>>  >>  download...
>>  >
>>  > Good grief!  That's a shame, since I gave NetBeans a good, long try
>>  > and found it completely inferior to Eclipse in every way save for Java
>>  > tracing and profiling.  Specifically, the editing support was
>>  > horrible.  The indentation engine was all wrong, and the whole
>>  > look-n-feel was just singularly unprofessional.
>>  >
>>  > Just proves my point: Eclipse is the new Emacs ("Looks like he's
>>  > heading for that small operating system! \ That's no operating system!
>>  >  That's an application! \ I wonder what it's called... \ This is the
>>  > Death Star Emacs!  Lower your patents and surrender your code!
>>  > Resistance is futile!  Your technological distinctiveness will be
>>  > assimilated and become our own!  We are the Emacs!")
>>  >
>>  > Yes, I know I just fused Star Wars and Star Trek.  Bite me.
>>  >
>>  What was the issue with editing support?
>>  What was wrong with the indentation engine?
> 
> It really didn't conform well the the K&R way of doing things.  In the
> interest of saving time, I'll just stop the format wars now and say
> that there is no "right" way to format and indent your code.
not intending to start one... just surprised to hear that that you found 
indentation issues.  i've not had any problems configuring NB to conform to any 
need.
   I like
> K&R.  NetBeans could not support K&R for some reason.
Which version?  6.0 appears to format K&R by default.
   Eclipse didn't
> by default, but it had a nice toggle to make it go K&R.  NetBeans
> didn't have any such toggle.  It was *annoying!*
understood
> 
> Personally, I hate fighting my editor when I'm coding.  Other people
> can be different, that's okay, but I have a legitimate weakness in
> NetBeans because it's very difficult to just code in it because it's
> so bad at adapting to various indentation styles.
understood again, generally all the code that i deal with is pretty consistent 
as to style.
> 
> Otherwise I think NetBeans is great!  It's got a beautiful profiler
> that I used a lot to diagnose bad code for friends.  I helped kill a
> really bad bug in a codebase for a Robotics club that caused horrific
> amounts of allocation and deallocation of memory by just finding that
> in a single spot they used String+=String, instead of a StringBuilder
> (Strings in Java are immutable).
heh  the !one! thing for me is jVi..
> 
> I just prefer Eclipse.
> 
> Right now I'm using the D Programming Language, so I'm using neither
> of the two at the moment.  So there!  I have less bias!
> 
> Note: try to hit the reply-to-all button, since you're missing the
> list and just mailing me!
Yeah,, I realized i hit the wrong button too late,, but didn't want to duplicate 
  the email.
> 

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Reid Thompson <rei...@at...> wrote:
> Chris Miller wrote:
>  > On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Reid Thompson <Rei...@at...> wrote:
>  >> I've done some very simple stuff with it.  Basic hello world, etc.
>  >>  Worked fine in that context.
>  >>
>  >>  As a note.  Netbeans is the framework that SUN is basing their entire
>  >>  development suite on, for SOLARIS and INTEL chipsets.  I.E. Sun Studio
>  >>  12 is 'Netbeans' -- I'd expect it to be able to do most anything you'd
>  >>  want. for that matter, I think Sun Studio 12 is available for free
>  >>  download...
>  >
>  > Good grief!  That's a shame, since I gave NetBeans a good, long try
>  > and found it completely inferior to Eclipse in every way save for Java
>  > tracing and profiling.  Specifically, the editing support was
>  > horrible.  The indentation engine was all wrong, and the whole
>  > look-n-feel was just singularly unprofessional.
>  >
>  > Just proves my point: Eclipse is the new Emacs ("Looks like he's
>  > heading for that small operating system! \ That's no operating system!
>  >  That's an application! \ I wonder what it's called... \ This is the
>  > Death Star Emacs!  Lower your patents and surrender your code!
>  > Resistance is futile!  Your technological distinctiveness will be
>  > assimilated and become our own!  We are the Emacs!")
>  >
>  > Yes, I know I just fused Star Wars and Star Trek.  Bite me.
>  >
>  What was the issue with editing support?
>  What was wrong with the indentation engine?

It really didn't conform well the the K&R way of doing things.  In the
interest of saving time, I'll just stop the format wars now and say
that there is no "right" way to format and indent your code.  I like
K&R.  NetBeans could not support K&R for some reason.  Eclipse didn't
by default, but it had a nice toggle to make it go K&R.  NetBeans
didn't have any such toggle.  It was *annoying!*

Personally, I hate fighting my editor when I'm coding.  Other people
can be different, that's okay, but I have a legitimate weakness in
NetBeans because it's very difficult to just code in it because it's
so bad at adapting to various indentation styles.

Otherwise I think NetBeans is great!  It's got a beautiful profiler
that I used a lot to diagnose bad code for friends.  I helped kill a
really bad bug in a codebase for a Robotics club that caused horrific
amounts of allocation and deallocation of memory by just finding that
in a single spot they used String+=String, instead of a StringBuilder
(Strings in Java are immutable).

I just prefer Eclipse.

Right now I'm using the D Programming Language, so I'm using neither
of the two at the moment.  So there!  I have less bias!

Note: try to hit the reply-to-all button, since you're missing the
list and just mailing me!

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On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Eric <eri...@wo...> wrote:
> which version of NetBeans was it? it is up to version 6 now

It was NetBeans 6, though I also worked on 5, since 6 was still going
through its final beta stage.

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On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Reid Thompson <Rei...@at...> wrote:
> I've done some very simple stuff with it.  Basic hello world, etc.
>  Worked fine in that context.
>
>  As a note.  Netbeans is the framework that SUN is basing their entire
>  development suite on, for SOLARIS and INTEL chipsets.  I.E. Sun Studio
>  12 is 'Netbeans' -- I'd expect it to be able to do most anything you'd
>  want. for that matter, I think Sun Studio 12 is available for free
>  download...

Good grief!  That's a shame, since I gave NetBeans a good, long try
and found it completely inferior to Eclipse in every way save for Java
tracing and profiling.  Specifically, the editing support was
horrible.  The indentation engine was all wrong, and the whole
look-n-feel was just singularly unprofessional.

Just proves my point: Eclipse is the new Emacs ("Looks like he's
heading for that small operating system! \ That's no operating system!
 That's an application! \ I wonder what it's called... \ This is the
Death Star Emacs!  Lower your patents and surrender your code!
Resistance is futile!  Your technological distinctiveness will be
assimilated and become our own!  We are the Emacs!")

Yes, I know I just fused Star Wars and Star Trek.  Bite me.

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