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:MCC214 cannot represent the views of the community, which clearly recognises and appreciates your contribution to zhwiki. --[[User:Yining Chen|Yining Chen]] ([[User talk:Yining Chen|Talk]]) 14:52, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
:MCC214 cannot represent the views of the community, which clearly recognises and appreciates your contribution to zhwiki. --[[User:Yining Chen|Yining Chen]] ([[User talk:Yining Chen|Talk]]) 14:52, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
:Sotiale, your efforts are highly appreciated by our community. MCC214 is a Hong-Kong tad with limited writing capability in Chinese or English; we even do not understand his Chinese somehow. Ca11ist0 created and wrote some articles about Chinese biographies and universities by adding categories. I personally do not think these two accounts have similar tendencies.[[User:Walter Grassroot|Walter Grassroot]] ([[User talk:Walter Grassroot|talk]])
:Sotiale, your efforts are highly appreciated by our community. MCC214 is a Hong-Kong tad with limited writing capability in Chinese or English; we even do not understand his Chinese somehow. Ca11ist0 created and wrote some articles about Chinese biographies and universities by adding categories. I personally do not think these two accounts have similar tendencies.[[User:Walter Grassroot|Walter Grassroot]] ([[User talk:Walter Grassroot|talk]])
::I have no intention in getting involved into a meaningless quarrel but want point out something perhaps not so obvious to people who are unfamiliar with the editorial environment of ZH Wikipedia. It has been a practice for quite some time locally and is particularly true in this case that the accusation of sock puppetry is supported by a series of "Duck Tests". In my opinion, the low threshold of certain local admins may have resulted in the wrongful accusation of accounts in more than one instance thus linking these accounts one by one and all the way back to SiuMai may be a bit far fetched. Rather I would urge for the examination of the contribution history of Ca11ist0, ABX456 and any other accounts recently deemed related to see if there are in fact any evidence of destructive behaviour that would warrant indefinite blocking. Lastly, I just want to say it for the record that certain individuals have demonstrated a trait of ill-intent and they are making ZH Wikipedia an extremely unfriendly environment, so much so users like me who have done nothing but making genuine edits are being discourage to continue participating.--[[User:ABX456|ABX456]] ([[User talk:ABX456|talk]]) 08:52, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

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These indicators are used by CheckUsers and stewards for easier skimming of their notes, actions and comments.
{{Confirmed}}:  Confirmed {{MoreInfo}}: MoreInfo Additional information needed
{{Likely}}: Likely Likely {{Deferred}}: Deferred Deferred to
{{Possible}}: Possible Possible {{Completed}}: Completed Completed
{{Unlikely}}: Unlikely Unlikely {{TakeNote}}: Note Note:
{{Unrelated}}: Unrelated Unrelated {{Doing}}: Doing...
{{Inconclusive}}: Inconclusive Inconclusive {{StaleIP}}: Stale

{{Declined}}:  Declined {{Fishing}}: Fishing CheckUser is not for fishing
{{Pixiedust}}: Pixiedust CheckUser is not magic pixie dust {{8ball}}: 8ball The CheckUser Magic 8-Ball says
{{Duck}}:  It looks like a duck to me {{Crystalball}}: Crystalball CheckUser is not a crystal ball

This page is for requesting CheckUser information on a wiki with no local CheckUsers (see also requesting checkuser access). Make sure to follow the following instructions, or your request may not be processed in a timely manner.

Before making a request:

  1. Make sure you have a good reason for the check. It will only be accepted to counter vandalism or disruption to Wikimedia wikis. Valid reasons include needing a block of the underlying IP or IP range, disruptive sockpuppetry, vote-stacking, and similar disruption where the technical evidence from running a check would prevent or reduce further disruption.
  2. Be specific in your reasons. Ambiguous or insufficient reasons will cause delays. Explain the disruption and why you believe the accounts are related, ideally using diff links or other evidence.
  3. Make sure there are no local checkusers.
  4. Please ensure that the check hasn't already been done:


How to make a request

How to make a request:

  • Place your request at the bottom of the section, using the template below (see also {{srcu}} help). 
    === Username@xx.project ===
{{CU request
 |status          = <!--don't change this line-->
 |language code   = 
 |project shortcut= 
 |user name1      = 
 |user name2      = 
 |user name3      = 
<!-- Max 10 users -->
 |discussion      = [[Example]]<!-- local confirmation link / local policy link -->
 |reason          = Reasons here. ~~~~
}}

    For example: 

    === Example@en.wikipedia ===
{{CU request
 |status          = <!--don't change this line-->
 |language code   = en
 |project shortcut= w
 |user name1      = Example
 |user name2      = Foo
 |user name3      = Bar
<!-- Max 10 users -->
 |discussion      = [[:w:en:Example]]<!-- local confirmation link / local policy link -->
 |reason          = Reasons here. ~~~~
}}
  • Specify the wiki(s) you want to perform the check on.
Cross-wiki requests
Meta-Wiki requests

Requests

Ca11ist0@zh.wikipedia

Status:    On hold
List of users
Ca11ist0 (contr · deleted · block · log · block log · CA · guc · checkuser · lwcheckuser)
ABX456 (contr · deleted · block · log · block log · CA · guc · checkuser · lwcheckuser)
Reason(s): They almost only make minor edits, and they have similar tendencies. So a usercheck is requested. Thank you. --Yining Chen (Talk) 02:56, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please explain in detail what similar tendencies are. --Sotiale (talk) 09:40, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. First, as what I have said, they almost only make minor edits(although they were not marked as "minor edit"). Then, the subjects of the articles they edited are similar. --Yining Chen (Talk) 11:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What I'd like to hear from you is a detailed explanation of what subjects of pages they edited and why they were similar. "Editing pages in the same field" and "doing minor edits" is not enough explanation they are sockpuppets. On what subject, and how they edited, were there such doubts? I think there must have been an obvious reason for you to think of them as sockpuppets, even though it was possible by chance. I'm hoping you can elaborate on why you thought so. --Sotiale (talk) 12:49, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think these questions should be answered by MCC214​(who submitted this request), shouldn't they? Because I'm the man who just translated the request to English, right? :-) --Yining Chen (Talk) 13:04, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Just some comments: MCC214 is still banned from editing this page by stewards, so they cannot answer here, someone had to ask them locally and help them post here. In addition, anyone who is transferring requests here should ideally be accountable to questions regarding their requests, and should be able to substantiate any requests. If in doubt, let us not transfer. Just my 2 cents. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 13:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Making it clearer, we should check with them what are the reasons they want to check, and then think is it valid / not valid locally. When there is a good reasons that we are convinced that a check is needed, and willing to answer any clarifications from stewards, we then will transfer the request from HAM to here. It's more than just translating by posting here since 2018. I hope this is clear enough. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 13:16, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Comment MCC214 had contacted me on my talkpage, asking me to assist in this. I am not going to risk being called proxying for banned user, but interested parties can see this section on my talkpage. They seems to say this is an LTA, and according to their words, they don't want to explain more, and its obvious is an LTA from zhwp. I then wonder if they are so sure that it's an LTA why not ask for local blocks and why need CU, did a local sysop decline the request or whatsoever? Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 16:32, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Before proceeding with this investigation, I would like to comment on a post that made me very frustrated.

  • 它們心裏就不太想幫我們查，不太想和我們協作去反對傀儡破壞。
  • They(stewards) do not want to help investigate, they don't want to cooperate to stop sockpuppets destruction behavior.

I've been trying to do the best I can to help solve the sockpuppets problem facing zhwiki community. And I tried to look more closely at and know about LTAs attacking zhwiki community. That's why I know the name of LTAs on zhwiki well. I know, of course, they are just parts, and just the frequent occurrences on SRCU. I think I have been trying to do it quickly and accurately so that there is no discomfort from you, and I think I have handled it well despite some difficulties. I have made it possible to help you without breaching the privacy policy. Nevertheless, my efforts seem to be distrusted like this. It seems that my capabilities were lacking. Anyone can say their own assessment of my work, yes. But this word is a great wound to me, and it feels like my year's efforts are meaningless. Anyway, I will handle this request tomorrow. Sorry, today I don't think I can properly handle this request. --Sotiale (talk) 13:40, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I am sure this is just MCC214 POV, it surely didn't reflect the consensus of the community. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 13:52, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
According to a local comment from MCC, I see that they aren't meaning to say that to you, he was talking about another person. LuciferianThomas．Talk 14:15, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
He also apologizes to Sotiale apparently, he said he was just reminded about the period of revi..... Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 14:20, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to make you so upset. We have always been grateful to your contribution to Chinese Wikipedia. Some unfriendly words do not represent the community's attitude. --Easterlies (talk) 14:35, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
MCC214 cannot represent the views of the community, which clearly recognises and appreciates your contribution to zhwiki. --Yining Chen (Talk) 14:52, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sotiale, your efforts are highly appreciated by our community. MCC214 is a Hong-Kong tad with limited writing capability in Chinese or English; we even do not understand his Chinese somehow. Ca11ist0 created and wrote some articles about Chinese biographies and universities by adding categories. I personally do not think these two accounts have similar tendencies.Walter Grassroot (talk)
I have no intention in getting involved into a meaningless quarrel but want point out something perhaps not so obvious to people who are unfamiliar with the editorial environment of ZH Wikipedia. It has been a practice for quite some time locally and is particularly true in this case that the accusation of sock puppetry is supported by a series of "Duck Tests". In my opinion, the low threshold of certain local admins may have resulted in the wrongful accusation of accounts in more than one instance thus linking these accounts one by one and all the way back to SiuMai may be a bit far fetched. Rather I would urge for the examination of the contribution history of Ca11ist0, ABX456 and any other accounts recently deemed related to see if there are in fact any evidence of destructive behaviour that would warrant indefinite blocking. Lastly, I just want to say it for the record that certain individuals have demonstrated a trait of ill-intent and they are making ZH Wikipedia an extremely unfriendly environment, so much so users like me who have done nothing but making genuine edits are being discourage to continue participating.--ABX456 (talk) 08:52, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See also

Cooperation requests for: comments (local) (global) · translation

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