Talk:Steward requests/SUL requests

Would be prudent to exacly point to the reason, either in bugzilla or other. --grin ✎ 12:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Not until everyone is notified, thanks for Your understanding, --birdy geimfyglið _(:> )=| ∇ 12:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Local renaming

Should local bureaucrats stop usurping accounts as well? --Erwin(85) 15:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Nope, renaming is no problem at all, thanks for that question, best regards, --birdy geimfyglið _(:> )=| ∇ 15:23, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

What accounts can be usurped?

Only those with no edits? And what am I to do if there is an account whith my username whith 5-10 edits done several years ago? Don Alessandro 16:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

It depends on the local project. Some bureaucrats will rename in cases where there's only a few edits, but others won't. If it's no edits, they would surely always usurp. Majorly (talk) 16:56, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

According to which policy? What's when the account was created a week ago? —DerHexer (Talk) 17:09, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I guess that impostor and vandal accounts with contributions but clearly such accounts should be handled the same way - renaming should be possible. -jkb- 17:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, how is it. Can I usurp an acount with some fifteen edits in the main space which are about one year old??? Is there a general guideline??? akfoa 23:01, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Usurpation needed?

There is an account with my name registered on a wiki (ru.wikibooks to be precise) where I don't have an account. It doesn't have edits. Should I create a differently-named account on that wiki and request usurpation, or will that account be automatically merged when I unify my accounts? Artyom 10:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

You'll have to ask for usurpation — VasilievVV 12:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I dont think you should create a separate account, just ask the ru.wikibooks bureaucrates to move the current Artyom to a diffren´t name. After that you will have the global username reserved on ru.wikibooks when you merge. --MiCkE^d_b 13:28, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

There's no bureaucrats there (only 3 admins including me) — VasilievVV 14:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Halló, please request renames here, if You have activated SUL already the rename to Your username will not be possible due to bugzilla:13507 but the account could be moved out of the way. Best regards, --birdy geimfyglið _(:> )=| ∇ 15:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I have filed a request now :) Artyom 20:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Global Account deletion

I have a query. When someone asks to delete a global account, is it guaranteed, that someone else will not take this account, or does (s)he need to lock it first. If it is already locked, then will (s)he have to request for undeletion of the account, after all mergings have done? Thanks, Shyam ^(T/C) 06:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

What's happened?

When I created my SUL when this feature were just implemented in "Confirm more accounts" section at Special:MergeAccount I saw 4 (four) unmatched accounts (fr-wikipedia, en-wikipedia, nl-wikipedia and ro-wikipedia) - all are not mines and I don't know their passwords.
Today I asked for deletion SUL because need to rename my regular Wiki-Meta account "Solon.KR". And now when I trying to recreate SUL I face with one strange thing: in section "Confirm more accounts" of above mentioned page I have thirteen (not four!) unmatched accounts. And now I can’t login with no one of theirs. Can anyone explain this? Solon 21:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Well I'm not a steward but unfortunately that could mean that in the interim individuals on other projects created accounts with the username "Solon". Cirt 22:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that could be so. Did You own these accounts before, if not it might be just as Cirt says. The problem is, I can't look what accounts were attached to Yours before now anymore because that is not saved. Please note that this SUL thing is also in beta, it might be a bug. Would probably be helpful to give a list where those other 9 accounts are. Best regards. --birdy geimfyglið _(:> )=| ∇ 23:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Finding local bureaucrats on multiple foreign language wikis where I don't speak the language...

Please see discussion at Help_talk:Unified_login#Finding_foreign_language_bureaucrats --Dweller 12:25, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Swamp water

To merge possibly alien Aliter accounts ru:User:Aliter and es:User:Aliter, as was suggested when merging the accounts, I actually have to unmerge the accounts again, however that's done, create throw-away accounts at those wikis, bother the Burocrats there about something not really related to their wiki so they'll rename the accounts that I can't recall having to something else, merge again, then bother the same burocrats about removing those throw-away accounts? Aliter 19:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi, You could also just ask them to move the accounts out of the way (if You do not have an alternative account there with contributions You want to be moved to Your global name).

If You need an account renamed to Aliter You have to ask for deletion of SUL at Steward requests/SUL requests due to bugzilla:13507. Then the local crats can move "es.Aliter" to "es.Aliter (sul or whatever)" and "es.Your other name" to "es.Aliter". No 'throw-away' thing remained.

Best regards, --birdy geimfyglið _(:> )=| ∇ 19:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, so I do not have to unmerge, then. As one of the reasons for these accounts for me is the fact that my IP is not plastered all over the Wikimedia projects, I still would have to create throw-away accounts, though. Thanks. Aliter 00:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, sure, if You don't have an account but want to only ask for a renaming 'logged in' You need to create an account for that, but I guess You don't mind if that account is not renamed to Your global name afterwards (because it has only the edits for asking for renames), best regards, --birdy geimfyglið _(:> )=| ∇ 00:23, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

About SUL

If future time i'm de sysop, my global acount still working???Putera Luqman Tunku Andre 15:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Nakon 18:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Problem with Finnish Wikipedia

Hello. There is a problem with SUL and the Finnish 'crats. There's only 3 of them and the only one that apparently speaks English is on a wikibreak. Furthermore, all three of them deny any SUL-related requests on grounds of "lack of policy" ([1], [2]). Combined with the fact that they're clearly unwilling to develop one, it's a total process blocker - noone can usurp an account on fiwiki and complete the unification, even if the account to be usurped has no edits and was registered ages ago. So, even though the wiki doesn't technically count as "having no active local 'crats", the end result is the same, because they are unwilling to cooperate and pretend that the world around hasn't changed. In this instance (and similar ones), I believe the stewards should override local business (or lack thereof) and perform according to an agreed central usurpation policy. Миша13 17:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I have to agree with Misza13. Out of the existing three bureaucrats, I asked two of them (the ones that aren't on wikibreak). Tbone replied to me on his talk page that he doesn't think that fi.wp has a policy regarding usurpations. Another 'crat, MikkoM, stated to me on my talk page that since Finnish Wikipedia doesn't have an usurpation policy, my usurpation request cannot be granted. After all, the account I wanted to usurp, Roosa was registered on 15:41, 06 April 2006 and has made no edits or log entries other than the standard new user log entry. This is a total process-blocker; I myself have still quite a few imposter accounts to usurp across various wikis, but local 'crats have been mostly understanding, helpful and co-operative. This isn't quite the case for Finnish Wikipedia. --Roosa _(Talk) 17:27, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Development of global usurpation policy may help — VasilievV ² 17:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Fi-wiki does not have a policy of usurping good-faith usernames just for fun. We do and have usurped clear imposters upon request, but otherwise, we are a community-based Wikipedia, and without community-approved policy (or some dictatorship from the Foundation) we will not act.

This has nothing to do with the number of bureaucrats on fi-wiki. We are quite active when it comes to enforcing actual policies that exist in fi-wiki. MikkoM 19:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

And one more thing: if I understood correctly, stewards are not supposed to override local wikipolicies or lack thereof just because some people don't like the situation. It would be a slap in the face for the whole fi-wiki community if stewards started to unilaterally impose an usurpation policy on fi-wiki; I have great trust in the stewards and am confident they wouldn't do such a thing. MikkoM 19:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you quite understand then. This is not an usurpation "just for fun." This is for SUL, which integrates an account across every wiki in the wmf. If an account already exists somewhere that isn't owned by the person trying to merge into a global account, it only half-creates the global account, leaving a very large chance of impersonation among other things. I strongly suggest that you re-think your usurpation policies to become more SUL-friendly. --Skizzerz (talk) 20:43, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

1) SUL is not "for fun" - it improves security, usability, prevents impersonations and lays ground for the central messaging system. You may be effective in enforcing your local policies, but Wikimedia is much more than that - you can't ignore the world around you.

2) Sorry, but as it has been noted already, you have no local usurpation policy whatsoever to override. To work properly, SUL requires certain policies to be developed on all projects. If a wiki doesn't want its own (and no, "we don't grant usurpation requests under any circumstances" doesn't count), a central/common one should be used. Миша13 20:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

As MikkoM said, we can't override a local bureaucrats' decision. But I see y'alls point. It's AFAIK the only wiki where the bureaucrats refuse to usurp zero edit accounts. A little bit more common sense would be a very good thing there. If they continue to refuse helping or developing a useful local policy you may want to request for comments where the problem can be discussed more publicly than here. --Thogo (talk) 20:54, 1 June 2008 (UTC)